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Debate Post-Mortem: Fast-Talking Romney For 'The People' As Obama Asks Gingerly If 'Got Medicare?'

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As Mr. Lehrer stumbled through the evening and the incumbent's odds of a repeat fell as fast as his frustration appeared to rise, a few things became very clear. President Obama spoke for over four minutes longer than Governor Romney in this evening's slug-fest. However, the fast-talking Mitt managed to squeeze in over 8300 words as opposed to Barack's 7400 words. The word-clouds below suggest each of the candidates' focus tonight with Obama appearing focused on his opponent 'Governor Romney' with heavy use of the words 'Got' and 'Medicare'; while word-wrangler Romney focused on 'People', 'Get', 'Going', 'Government', and 'Plan' (and no 'zinger'). If you are still standing after the drinking games, here are the details...

 

The market is voting after-hours - as Intrade's Obama Odds are dead-cat-bouncing lower on decent volume... (though obviously still a 66.5 to 33.5 leader)

 

 

According to CNN:

 

We calculate that to be:

  • Obama managed a brisk 172 words per minute in his 42:50, while
  • Romney managed a speed-freak-ish 217 words per minute in his 38:32

 

and the entire debate was over 16,000 words (including Mr. Lehrer's interruptions...)

 

with Mr. Romney's focus... People, Get, Going, Government, Plan

 

and President Obama's focus... Governor Romney, Got, Going, Medicare, Insurance; and 'Make, People, Think'

 

So, Romney 'outperformed' Obama by 26.2% in fast-talking?

 

Please note - (we have not pro forma-ed these numbers for lack of teleprompter)

 

...and, by way of non-fiction flashback, on this day a mere 70 years ago, the President was raising taxes, fixing wages and prices, and in the middle of a war...

 

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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:28 | 2854811 Bear
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ES voted on the debate ... +6pts Romney

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:37 | 2854820 Yen Cross
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lol ;-)  "Romney put"

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:28 | 2854813 tip e. canoe
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watched the last 30 minutes for shits & giggles (and to see if the other 2 candidates on democracy now were it all impressive - imo they weren't).   my 2 cents --

either bigO:

a) subconsciously does not want to be re-elected

b) was severely distracted by some deep black-ops shit that went down in the past 48 hrs or

c) was given some bad drugs.

that was an awful performance from someone who should know better that image is everything.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:32 | 2854827 RSBriggs
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How about, "He just can't speak worth a shit without reading it from a teleprompter".

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:45 | 2854841 tip e. canoe
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absolutely, but it was not even his diction i was referring to, more body language and tonal quality.   compare this with any one of the 2008 debates and you may notice a distinct decrease of self-confidence & ambition.

it's not what they say (see above word clouds for proof), but how they say it that makes all the difference.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:46 | 2854853 RSBriggs
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The only body language I paid any attention to was when he bowed to, and kissed the ring of, the Saudi King.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:15 | 2855053 Colonial Intent
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At least he didnt kiss him on the cheek while holding his hand.......that takes a 'real man' like Bush W

 

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:59 | 2854874 CrashisOptimistic
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Putting ideology aside . . . it's pretty hard not to see the Romney is the sharper candidate.  With the devastion coming in 2013, it will be a horrible time to have an inferior president.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:22 | 2855058 Colonial Intent
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You seriously think romney or obama can save you or your accumulated wealth?

LOL!

Its fucked mate, USA will tear itself apart within a decade.

EU is too unless it fucks off the peripherary states and renegotiates access based on sound fiscal strength (Non-Fiat)

Which is why i'm on my 3rd course of 6 in mandarin, capital and labor are transnational, patriotism is a liability not an asset, money is god and god is money.

Even the Chincoms know this.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:14 | 2855050 Colonial Intent
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He's just lowering expectations.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:29 | 2854816 salvadordaly
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It's funny, my wife took a night off from the Kardshien's and dancing with the stars to watch the debate. She made a comment that Obammy did not seem to "talk like himself". I mentioned to her he did not have his teleprompter. That simple. The boy is way out of his league!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:32 | 2854826 Bear
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If you were casting a movie, who would you chose to play the President?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:52 | 2854861 RSBriggs
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Justin Bieber?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:58 | 2854871 Carl Spackler
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Cheech or Chong. Pick one.

How did a complete fool beat out Hillary?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:27 | 2854910 Law97
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Exactly.  Unlike these two, at least Hillary has some balls. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:01 | 2854938 wee-weed up
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Carl Spackler

You ask, "How did a complete fool beat out Hillary?"

Simple...

Hillary knew it...

you know it...

I know it...

and the MSM (who would not vet him because it was not PC) knew it...

He was the right color!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:12 | 2855613 ZeroAvatar
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Either Morgan Freeman or Robert Wagner.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 12:13 | 2856056 BooMushroom
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Will Farrel.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:51 | 2854838 The Shootist
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He was simply outclassed by a superior ship of the line -if you don't mind the naval reference. I mean, Mitt is pretty robotic/ inanimate. The numbers and facts he had tonight.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:12 | 2855048 Colonial Intent
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I felt obama was too sloopy and romney just barqued phrases.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:34 | 2855148 Ralph Spoilsport
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I ketch your meaning. Yawl seem to agree.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 12:14 | 2856062 BooMushroom
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Some people think it was rigged.  Like the presidency is for sail.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:31 | 2854822 lasvegaspersona
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4 years ago Obama was heralded as a great speaker and did not protest the title. Now he claims he is just OK. In 4 years we learn he is a terrible speaker without the teleprompter and has annoying habits like um saying uh.

He does not speak well extemporaneouly and if he were in the pit before English Parliment he would be ripped to pieces by those wicked slick tongued devils. They are merciless  when they go after each other and the crowd gets going with the yeahs and the neighs...that is a thing of beauty and the English do generate great speakers because if you can't speak you don't make it in politics there.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:49 | 2855220 shovelhead
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Agreed,

A bad day in Parliament is better than the best Presidential debate.

The bloodletting is ferocious and the weak get torn apart.

A cage match compared to a prepubescent girl fight.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:14 | 2855441 Ignatius
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+1  I believe it's called the "active literacies" (speaking and writing) as opposed to the 'passive' act of reading.

Used to be illegal to teach the active literacies to the plebs.  Now we have universal, centrally mandated public education in which these skills are eliminated systematically.

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:32 | 2854823 Oldballplayer
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Mitt was talking like someone with a nose full.  And Obama was talking like a stoner.

Of course, Mitt is rich so he can afford it.  Bastard.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:43 | 2854849 RSBriggs
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Obama has more money than Romney.  Paid 13.5 million cash for a house on the beach in Hawaii.  How he did that on 4 years of a 400K salary is a question that won't be asked....

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:04 | 2854884 Yen Cross
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Negative "ghost pilot". Romney is far wealthier than otool. He to has a 13 million dollar house in La Jolla Ca., amongst several other properties. His est. net worth 150mm.  They are both a couple of matching "door knockers", though.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:11 | 2855045 Colonial Intent
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Is this the actual intelligence of the average voter?

"Obama has more money than Romney"

You're smart enough to post your statement on the internet but not smart enough to use the internet to verify its accuracy before you post.

No wonder your country's fucked.

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:34 | 2855203 DosZap
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. How he did that on 4 years of a 400K salary is a question that won't be asked....

 

Lest one fergit, MoChelle had a hellacious paying part time attorney's job, making another $400k.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:33 | 2855694 philosophers bone
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Solyndra declared a special dividend?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:28 | 2855487 MiltonFriedmans...
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Didn't you here, Goldman bought it for him as a Christmas gift.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:35 | 2854830 stant
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thay almost had to hospitalize chris matthews over this dancing with the czars. debt bro go his ass handed to him. they were both lying but thats beside the point. us pravda be in overdrive over this disaster

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:40 | 2854844 The Shootist
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LOl, "Debt Bro." Did Banzai invent that?

"I don't know exactly what the national debt was when I came into office Letterman..."

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:58 | 2854872 Yen Cross
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 Was that a "trick question'? It was 5 soon to be 6 Trillion, less "99¢ tacos", than it is now. :-)

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:36 | 2854833 AgShaman
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left right left right left right....

i really must vote...

it's getting so exciting...

fuck off!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:41 | 2854843 RSBriggs
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So, the "live real-time lie-detection" technology that was monitoring the debates obviously didn't turn out well for the media, since they haven't mentioned it post debate.  The hype before the debate was that it would rip all the Romney lies to shreds.  From watching the debate my guess is that Obummer must have about gone off the scale - not something the MSM is going to want to discuss.  Guess they're going to need to tweak the numbers a little, like all the others...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:45 | 2854852 williambanzai7
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Obamney 1
Obamney 0

Voters Fucked

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:55 | 2855167 Esso
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I can't for the life of me imagine how anyone could downvote your extraordinarily accurate assessment of the outcome.

Must be something about the truth hurting, I guess.

Anyhooooo, +1.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:51 | 2855372 Lucius Corneliu...
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Didn't change my mind.  I'm still voting for Gary Johnson!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:52 | 2854862 chump666
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What a joke.

 Romney is a good sales boy.  So I dunno.  if Obama rolls out some manic spending plan any-day, say, free cars.  It's in the bag.

it could be close.  Markets could tank hard before Nov, they are topped beyond topped.  They tank, Romney fires, he could grab this and roll in.

But I really don't care.

http://youtu.be/F8-J4hL7iDM

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:21 | 2854896 Yen Cross
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 Howdy chump666.    I think aud might have put in a bottom. usd/jpy just put in a daily buy signal to. If the "BLS", continues their bullshit job on the jobs numbers ,I think we could see that thing back in the 1.03's in short order. The ASX200 is so pathetically overbought. it's above the May highs and the A10year is under 3%!

  I wish the markets would tank to. Romney is 10 times smarter than otool when it comes to financial affairs. The debate was like watching a "basic econ", one on one tutoring session tonight.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:32 | 2854914 chump666
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Everyone wants the markets to tank!  they are overpriced with everyone in. AUD is oversold, but Aloca results are 10thOct. Risk ahead is job numbers that could be bad.  AUD is a tough trade, if stocks correct within that period job numbers + crap number from Aloca =  Could slide under parity.  You got balls, I'll give you that.

the very few shorts left in the market keep rolling over as they are stopped out.  it's going to blow, just don't know when.

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:01 | 2855418 Lucius Corneliu...
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Gold is over-priced.

Calculation:

$1 will by you 4 cents of goods in 1913.

1/.04 = 25

Gold's price was fixed at $20.67 in 1913.

25 * $20.67 = $516.75

If you factor in a 50% devaluation of the dollar then you come up with about $1,000 per ounce.  Therefore, a 75% devaluation is already priced into gold.

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:18 | 2855449 Ignatius
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Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist party?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:39 | 2855954 Thisson
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Your analysis doesn't include the most important factor in gold pricing: interest rates.  What were interest rates in 1913?  What are they now?  What does that shift do to asset values in general, and gold in particular?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:53 | 2854864 worbsid
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All the way through, Mittens had faith in the little people and O had faith in the central government.  BTW:  Atlas Shrugged, the movie, is coming to a theater near you soon. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:56 | 2855041 Colonial Intent
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Mittens had faith in the little people?

Mormons believe in Leprechauns?

P.S.

Make sure you get to the cinema early as the warm up show is Leni's "triumph of the will" there's also an aftershow talk on how to implement social darwinism in america in 3 easy steps.....

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:55 | 2854867 myshadow
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obama=clint eastwood's chair.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:57 | 2854870 The Shootist
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If you'd had it a little earlier, that should have been the ZH comment of the day.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:57 | 2854868 dwdollar
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So let me get this straight... Everyone saw tonight that Romney is a slick talker and Obama stumbles over every word.

WOW, this debate must have been a real eye opener. Too bad I missed it.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 00:59 | 2854876 Carl Spackler
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Obama is a tool.

That was proven tonight.

Hope and change is STILL the answer ! 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:06 | 2854886 kumquatsunite
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Well, did anyone notice the constant foot shuffling of Romney? Like a kid who has to go pee pee but forgot to? And that eye blinking? Pathetic...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:07 | 2854945 Raymond Reason
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Yeah i saw,  Romney scares the shit out of me. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:55 | 2854993 Bear
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No, I didn't notice the foot shuffling ... but I did notice the meat clever.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:16 | 2854899 q99x2
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Romni gonna give you a RobamniPhone. No. That's cause Romni suck.

Gary Johnson for President.

Paid for the people that don't want you to vote for a President that is going to try to F'n kill you.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:16 | 2854900 markar
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What difference which of these two sock puppets gets elected? When I saw that Rosanne Barr was on the CA ballot, I knew who I was voting for.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:18 | 2854901 Dre4dwolf
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It's almost like subliminal messaging.

 

"Make people Want Get More Government"

"Make people want get Medicare"

Visual Imagery:

Zombies walk out of the debate moaning and chanting the above with their hands extended fowards.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:02 | 2855250 tip e. canoe
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exactly

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:31 | 2854913 Crash2012
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The one item that seemed to point to a little tiny bit of hope was when Romney mentioned we STILL have 5 government enshrined TBTF banks!

... the first step to recovery is recognizing the problem ...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:37 | 2854917 Dogbark
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Obama is hope, Romney is change

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:08 | 2855261 TWSceptic
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Obama is hopeless, Romney is changeless

 

Fixed it for you.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:39 | 2854920 Tommy Gunner
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Does anyone really watch this SHIT?

To be quite honest you may as well watch Dancing with Stars - it's about as relevant to your life.

Every single politician is in the pocket of corporate money and their lobbyists. The ONLY difference between one party and the other is WHICH CORPORATION GAVE THAT PARTY MORE CASH. 

When elected the parties will implement policy based on who gave them the most cash.

Do you honestly think that any corporation has YOUR interests in mind?  Of course not!  They are trying to fuck you and have you subsidize them.

WAKE UP MORONS!!!!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:22 | 2855458 Ignatius
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"Corporations are people, my friend."  --  Mitt Romney

(Not to be taken as an endorsement of Pres. Obummer)

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:40 | 2854921 Curt W
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Romney was doing some psi channeling of Reagan. several times when I looked away I heard Ronnies voice coming from the TV

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:41 | 2854922 slackrabbit
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My guess is Obama knows a crash is coming, and suddenly realised he could do a Bush and hand it to the guy on the next podium.....'Son, it's all yours!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:14 | 2854957 newengland
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...or maybe Obama is tired, weary of the show, willing to bow out rather than be 'taken out'.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:04 | 2855124 Bicycle Repairman
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Or maybe Obama has an insurmountable lead and is tired of the kabuki.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:47 | 2854932 cynicalskeptic
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Well. clearly the false dichotomy kabuki is still working.   Red, Blue, Republican, Democratic.....   IT DOESN'T MATTER    while everyone is diverted by social arguing (over things where government should have no place) THE LOOTING CONTINUES - and WILL CONTINUE, no matter WHO gets elected.

Personally, I think the Republicans figured 2008 was a loss - and figured to stick it to whoever the Democrat was for the next 8 years.... things were bad then - and will get WORSE - but it's not like Obama OR ANYONE ELSE has even tried to investigate and prosecute so TPTB don't care.... clearly a deal was cut.  

I suspect the Republicans don't want to win in 2012, knowing full well that theer's far more to come in this shitstorm so they are more than willing to let Obama take the blame.... But notice that Obama has done NOTHING to reverse W's power grabs and only increased them... the Constitution has been shredded, your rights are gone.  So when the rioting finally starts - when people are starving, homeless and jobless, our government will defend the banks, Wall Street and the Fortune 500 no matter who is in the White House.

Hell, if McCain had been elected and the screws were tightened in 09, there would already have been an uprising..... Obama - and his APEARANCE of concern - has kept the pot from boiling sooner - though the fire is still going....  the problem is that th elonger you kick th eeconomic can down the orad, the worse it's going to be when it blows...

 

notice NEITHER candidate said a word about OUTSOURCING JOBS.  More education means nothing (except higher debt levels) if you let companies send jobs overseas.  manufacturing is gone, and the white collar exodus continues.. data processing, programming, call centers, tech support, accounting, purchasing......   NOBODY is going to talk about THAT


'NONE OF THE ABOVE' would win hands down if the choice were there - THAT is why turnouts are so low and why both parties make damn sure there isn't a viable third party.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:56 | 2854939 Curt W
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I wonder if the people who control the electoral college have changed their mind about who they want to crash this sinking ship into the reef.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:12 | 2854953 newengland
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'They' like a show, especially if it is a cliff hanger...preferably financial, what with all the drama, and blood and tears and ....

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 01:58 | 2854942 SilverFish
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No matter who won the debate, or eventually wins the election, ultimately we get a liar in office.

 

 

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:10 | 2854951 newengland
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Ewww...could you change the avatar and name. I'm feeling rather nauseous after the 'debate'....

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:09 | 2854950 newengland
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Two more drinks after this one? Crikey I might have to become an alcoholic just to dull the boredom of Mittens vs Bam Bam, the two corporatists trying to excuse their abject failings.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 02:15 | 2854962 Lore
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"President Obama spoke for over four minutes longer than Governor Romney in this evening's slug-fest."

Replace "slug-fest" with "ballet."  Surprising that ZH wastes any time.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:03 | 2854997 HaroldWang
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x100...Who gives a f*ck?? This is the olympics, world cup, etc. Obama will win but we have to turn it into "will Phelps win 10 medals" mentality. MSM needs to MAKE this seem important. 

Bookies got 5 to 1 Obama. Bookies don't like to lose. It's over, not even a race. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:27 | 2855477 Ignatius
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Sportscaster Jim Lampley was following the Vegas odds on Bush-Kerry in '04 and saw the odds 'flip' on election night as Rove's boys got the dirty work done in Ohio.

It's not just the odds... check the horses.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:20 | 2855009 Bear
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Talked four minutes longer? I can't remember a thing he said

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:08 | 2855836 Curt W
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I I uh I well you see the thing is my grandmother. uh is uh was on medicare,

and and uh she needed it uh um ...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:03 | 2854996 jamezelle
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What the fuck is wrong with you obamney supporters? You act like either one is actually going to change anything.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:09 | 2855000 etresoi
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Perhaps Obama was distracted, knowing that Israel started WW3, yesterday, and that knowledge made it difficult to discuss inanities.

Israeli commandos lobbed mortars into Turkey from Syria, Syria responded with artillery and notified NATO, which has been waiting for the opportunity to get involved.  Concurrently, a Russian General, who was assisting Assad, was assasinated in his car.

Obama knows it and gold knows it

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:32 | 2855020 Bear
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Free Syrian Army claims that they killed Maj. Gen. Vladimir Kojève when they raided his car in Damascus, and gave Al-Arabiya a number of documents taken from his personal briefcase to prove (in August)

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-general-killed-by-syrian-rebels-2012-10#ixzz28JTx9hZ3

If Obama was worried about this he might have skipped the "View"

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:13 | 2855049 lakecity55
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The FSA claims it's not AQ too.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:00 | 2855412 DeltaDawn
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Something is smelly. Obama preanounced that he was going to lose the debate. My theory is the masters have told the puppet his playtime is over and he will now be stored in a box on a dusty shelf.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:23 | 2855656 Bastiat
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Maybe so. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:24 | 2855012 Bear
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I have a question ... how many people who voted for McCain will switch their vote to Obama this time? 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:32 | 2855018 Azannoth
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So even with Affirmitive Action going for Obama(longer speaking) he still underperformed a White Guy by 25%

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:47 | 2855030 BlackVoid
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Who gives a shit???

ZH readers and the ZH staff should be aware that there is no difference between the candidates apart from the rhetoric.

 

Waste of space and time.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:55 | 2855037 falak pema
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Sitting here in Europe this morning the media verdict is in :

Romney TROUNCED OBama hands down!

They all say he came accross as focussed and "sincere" and Obama looked "evasive" and "constrained", as if embarrassed by his incumbency. 

The match is on. Two more to go. 

I know, I know, its only politics and its all packaged, red and blue labelled.

But it could determine the direction Pax Americana takes as of Jan  2013, so its important to the "rest of the world". 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:30 | 2855064 Anasteus
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The direction of Pax Americana was determined 100 years ago. There is nothing left to change by the two jesters of the same puppet master. The only important thing here in Europe is when exactly ordinary people will kick the asses of politicians leading Europe straight to hell.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:56 | 2855082 Monedas
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Pax Americana is directed by the sucking sound of Islam's moral void imploding ! Got Syrius ? Got Iranus ? 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:17 | 2855096 falak pema
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Islam's moral void is visible since 1400 AD. Don't sell a stale story that is now a tattered page of history.

No, what PAx Americana is currently doing is destroying the Frankenstein monster it created itself previously for reasons of expediency; aka Cold War third world neo-colonial manipulation. The heart of the so called revival of Islamic regressionary pseudo-modernisation of 0.1% population, aided and abetted by Pax Americana, is in Riyad. Cough, Cough, cough...

Having to destroy the power base of its previous strategy is a dangerous game. But then PAx Americana is caught in its own ME Oil cobweb. 

No way out, other then thrash around like Goliath blinded in pain, destroying his own garden of Eden. Especially building a construct with two extremely fractured pillars : Zionist ISrael and Wahhabist Saud; mortal enemies. Iran is not the issue, as they will one day move away from theocracy, whatever current outcome. Its the simmering rage in Arab world and surrogate Pak/afgh territories. 

That will determine the attitudes of local people to PAx Americana in coming years. 

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:01 | 2855087 falak pema
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wow, how someone can draw a straight line over one hundred years is beyond me; FED creation nonwithstanding.

As someone said : History is for pussies; so I must be pussy lover! 

I don't buy determinism and I do believe that nothing is preordained in the world. THat includes Pax AMericana. 

As for kicking ass of politicians, when you do not control your destiny : its dictated to you by an international Oligarchy; good luck with that. Our politicians in Europe are now managing the DEFICIT pump; while the global Oligarchy manages the PROFIT pump.

That in itself is a NO CONTEST. People on the verge of unemployment are sitting ducks to coercion. 

That is the reality of Europe; an ageing population, easy targets to the new oligarchy meme, with politically elected eunuchs who just supervise the Oligarchy King's harem; aka the sheeple, running from pillar to post lost in economic delusion fed by the eunuchs and media controlled, sterile dopium of herd instinct trend setting MSM. 

It'll have to get much worse before the pestilence explodes like puss in a wound. But its not written in the wind what will be the result of such turbulence. 

The people HAVE to realise in FIRST world that this spells the demise of the middle class and democracy; before the rage takes hold of their hearts and dictates their destiny. We are in greed and demoncracy but people don't know it, YET.

That is the bottom line, when the dykes will burst in the Oligarchy run world.

Alas, an easily forgotten lesson of "pussyfied" history. 

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:36 | 2855103 Anasteus
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People on the verge of unemployment being further squeezed into bearing increasing austerity measures can become shockingly strong once unified; a repeating experience of the history for pussies.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:20 | 2855034 cranky-old-geezer
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Which puppet on a string is more entertaining?

That's the only real question.

World leaders saw a tool and a fool field softball questions on meaningless issues. 

Who knows, they might conclude it's time to finish off the farce called America.

America may not survive another presidential term. 

Who will be unlucky enough to be at the helm when the ship hits the iceberg?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 03:57 | 2855039 Colonial Intent
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Good to see ZH readers are back on message.

A bunch of corporate shrills think their chief corporate shrill won the debate.

What a suprise.

You people do realise that after romney wins the election his first phone call will be to bibi asking how many american lives bibi wants him to sacrifice for greater israel.

But hey your profit margins are far more important than some stupid enlisted sheeple's life right?

Damn glad I wasn't born in the USA.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:00 | 2855085 Monedas
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You are the poster child for abortion on demand !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:22 | 2855093 Colonial Intent
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I bow down to your superior intellect comedy boy, your posts are always such succint prose, your insight is staggering to behold, and yo mama is indeed fatter than most women.

P.S.

I too support abortion on demand, good to see not all yanks are superstitious schizophrenics.

Is there not a tour of comedy that you appear in this year?

One day you'll actually be funny and maybe then people will stop laughing at you.

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:34 | 2855097 Monedas
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I'm pro-life .... I made an exception for you !     Hopefully we are all pro-life ....... I am definitely anti-infanticide without the "patient's" written consent .... the patient being the baby ....viable tissue mass/bio mass to you lefty abortion ghouls !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:45 | 2855112 Colonial Intent
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How can you be pro-life if you are non-religious, i thought only god botherers were pro-life?

Just interested to hear a pro-life argument from a non-religious viewpoint (ive never heard one before)

Enlighten me.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:01 | 2855122 Monedas
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If a mother can suck out her child with a roto-rooter without the father's or the baby's consent .... then the father should have the right to terminate the child's life up to 9 months after birth .... without the mother's or the child's written consent !    What's good for the goose is good for the gander !   Was that too secular for you ?      If the parents agree .... they should be able to kill their children up to age 18 !      Giving permission to kill is a slippery birth canal !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:11 | 2855130 Monedas
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I thought you wanted to have a conversation ?       I believe your cunt should be a sanctuary for innocent life !   

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:13 | 2855133 Colonial Intent
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Monedas,

I am male.

I think you need another ex-gay therapy session from your pastor.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:17 | 2855136 Monedas
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Get a hair cut, bitch !       I think San Francisco should be a sanctuary for illegal immigrants, gay people   ......    and the most innocent of all    ......    little babys !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:56 | 2855559 Colonial Intent
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I always thought it was.

Hugs:-)

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:11 | 2855131 Colonial Intent
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I take it you are not a woman.

So you have not a clue what you are talking about.

Its her body not yours, until the child is born it is the womans decision whether or not to terminate.

As a man you have no right to force another person to have the baby or to have an abortion, maybe if they taught sex education to teens in your schools then you wouldnt have so many pregnancies, but if you did that 'god might punish you'...LOL

Been nice chatting but i'm off now to rape Senator todd akins wife, but dont worry she wont get pregnant as it'll be a "legitimate rape".

Cue down arrows and insults.

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:29 | 2855138 Monedas
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I got you on the run !         The viable tissue/bio mass might be a little girl  .... she has a little cunt .... I'm fighting for her right to be born and have some hot sex !       Monedas     1929      Comedy Jihad Don't Need No God When You Got Monedas Tour !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:22 | 2855193 knotjammin2
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After reading your above post you have temporaily converted me to aproving of late term abortion.  Now if we can just change the law to include your age for that one time late term abortion then we might make this world a better place even if Obama is reelected. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:42 | 2855210 DosZap
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Its her body not yours, until the child is born it is the womans decision whether or not to terminate.

Uh Huh, I will swallow that when the chromosones are exactly the same as the host's .And the so called "foetus" is a clone of host.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:27 | 2855478 Colonial Intent
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Interesting point, exactly how long after the sperm hits the egg does the child's right to life become more important than the mothers right to life?

5 mins, 5 days, 5 weeks, 5 months?

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:47 | 2855980 Thisson
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Romney's a mormon.  He doesn't give a shit about Israel one way or another.

The people who care about Israel in the US are Israelis, certain Jews, and fundamentalist Christians, some of whom beleive something along the lines that a Jewish Israel is a precondition to Jesus' resurrection.

Mormons?  Their beliefs are entirely different.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:11 | 2855046 lakecity55
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Man, the last time I saw something beat that bad it was roadkill.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:41 | 2855111 Monedas
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CNN cunts now say Obama was using his "Rope a dope and hope" strategy !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:23 | 2855059 Henry Chinaski
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Sounds like Romney brought a knife to the fight and won.  Now, does Obama pull a gun? (October surprise)

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:46 | 2855155 falak pema
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Romney's "knife" cuts a huge slice off WS's holy TBTF clique : 

“NEW YORK BANKS” – Here is the Romney line that blew up M.M.’s inbox like no other, in the section on whether he would get rid of Dodd-Frank (he said he would, and replace it with something else, though who knows what): “One is it designates a number of banks as too big to fail, and they're effectively guaranteed by the federal government. This is the biggest kiss that's been given to — to New York banks I've ever seen. This is an enormous boon for them. There've been 122 community and small banks have closed since Dodd- Frank.”

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-and-romney-debate-dodd-frank-2012-10#ixzz28KGQDgRf

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:25 | 2855196 Monedas
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Falak, Baby !     I agree with you !   I agree with you !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:48 | 2855217 falak pema
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your profusion embarrasses me; like the other guy said: this is the most romantic place to be!

But without the smell of your breath its even better. No hard feelings...And remember no hard bleatings of love at first sight, I'm not gay; at least not in the modern sense! 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:28 | 2855063 ebworthen
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I see a word cloud for both that says "We're Fucked!", or is it just me?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:15 | 2855070 lakecity55
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I thought it was funny. W/O a prompter (who of us knew he was "on one" in 08?) all he could muster was bits of his old programming from the last campaign, like a badly fragged disc.

TOTUS: you didn't win that in 08. I did.

I still say at least Mittens don't eat dogs.

Larry Sinclair, some Choom, and Man's Country must be looking pretty good about now

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:52 | 2855080 Monedas
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Monedas' Rules 4 Joos:    #1     If your adversary is imploding, conventionally, there's no need to attack .... just get out of the way !  

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 04:57 | 2855081 Anasteus
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As far as I know, Americans can still vote for Ron Paul (among the other nominated and declared candidates) during the election day. But then, as being the fully-fledged presidential candidates, why on earth aren't they given equal or at least comparable opportunities to present their program and/or to take part in face-to-face debates in media? In many European countries this would be considered unlawful.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:01 | 2855583 ffart
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Are you referring to our complete sham of an election system where even dead people vote way more than anyone else?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:15 | 2855092 Monedas
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Obama sucks, Syria sucks, Iran sucks .... I sip my tea in my shaded hammock in Haifa .... as my enemies bleed out !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:19 | 2855095 Monedas
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Turkey's PM was outraged when Israeli soldiers boarded his blockade "non-buster" ships .... he's outraged when the Kurds blow up his goons .... now he's outraged that Syria lobbed some mortar rounds into Turkey .... he so wants to be an important player .... what a meddling clown !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:11 | 2855611 Colonial Intent
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Short memory you have, not so long ago turkey was training your flyboys how to fly their F15's properly maybe next time they can train your tankers how to defeat a 1970's era ATGM.....LOL

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:27 | 2855100 Monedas
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Morning after pill !   The MSM are just beginning to spin the debates .... they didn't dare last night !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:41 | 2855110 NuYawkFrankie
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Romney Vs Obama

 

The Insufferable vs The Indefensible

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 05:48 | 2855117 Monedas
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I don't want to be dictated to by some commie flunky .... on the other hand I don't want to have to live up to Romney's high level of service to mankind .... I just want to enjoy my life and keep at least 90% of my earnings .... is that asking too much ?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:34 | 2855142 Monedas
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Any more socialist scum want a piece of me ?      Well, just kiddin' kinda .... I just don't fit the MSM liberal template of what a pro-lifer is !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:39 | 2855151 IMA5U
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This election is about Hope and Hate.  Romney gives us Hope while all Obama has done is make us Hate each other.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:45 | 2855157 Anasteus
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Perhaps Common Sense could be yet another option.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 06:54 | 2855172 Monedas
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Romney is pro-life !    Obama is pro-scissor fingers !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:05 | 2855180 Monedas
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A woman can kill her baby when the baby is nursing .... and is connected to the mother's body .... it's her body ?   When a baby has a high fever and is totally dependent on the mother's action .... the mother then has a right to kill her baby, too ?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:09 | 2855183 Monedas
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What a lousy anniversary present Barack gave Michele .... no pussy for that performance !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:24 | 2855195 q99x2
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ObamaniCare Fuckin Suck Like Dis Bitch. The Government wants to help. 1.2Bn Hollow Points for the DHS 173,000 40 cal for the SSA. 200,000 sniper rounds. The banksters are coming for you. They're gonna keep you safe and they're gonna keep you safe at gunpoint if they have to. Your gonna do what they say or they're gonna F'n kill you.

Vote Gary Johnson. Save the Nation. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:35 | 2855200 Monedas
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Are they going to shoot babies in the womb ?    Fast track command abortions ?                    I'm not off topic !    Topic is:   Debate POST MORTEMS !     I'm against post mortems for aborted children .... and the causal abortions, too !

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:53 | 2855208 LouisDega
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Lots of unhappy kids. Romney said , One wrong move and the the big Baby huey looking bird gets it

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:46 | 2855216 SuitablyIronicM...
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Love the fact that the word clouds are shaped like giant turds.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:51 | 2855223 lunaticfringe
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This is what happens when you have no record of achievement, no tele-prompter, and you spend at least two days preparing for the debate by golfing in Vegas. Not exactly surprised. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2012/10/sans-tele-prompter-obama...

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:56 | 2855231 luckylongshot
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This was watching a debate to see who gets to be captain of the Titanic....you have to wonder why either of them wants the job.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 07:58 | 2855234 disabledvet
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glad to see you all are paying attention after all. of course did either of them speak to the 60 percent of the Americans who won't vote? not according to my ZH meter. the only difference now that the media has lost control of their Agenda of phuck the people. "they don't vote...and prefer to be controlled" as Bernays said. and from what i've read here...at least relative to Government...he's spot on. Attacking America's victory in WW 2? Up yours cock fag. i laugh my balls off when "you great euro powers" leave it up to Turkey to "get things done."

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:05 | 2855257 razorthin
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No talk about the only issue that really matters - the Fed.  Romney's gonna back down.  I will vote for Johnson.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:37 | 2855341 Shizzmoney
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People are going ot be talking about this stupid fucking debate at work today.  I want to jam a fork into my ear.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:51 | 2855373 roadhazard
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I did not bother watching the debate. It's Way too late in America for any "President" to make a difference in what is coming down the pike. Plus they will tell you anything you want to hear. Did Romney ask Obama why no bankers are in jail or why he signed NDAA. Fuck no, because they are all on the same page that does not include YOU no matter how many times they say he word "People".

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:53 | 2855383 jusman
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Seems to me that maybe on his 20th anniversary, and understanding that in the next 4 year term, the shit WILL hit the fan, maybe, just maybe, Obama is deciding to throw the election?  A retirement pension and time with Michelle and the kids sounds a lot better than what is coming down the pipe, no?

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:17 | 2855445 edifice
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All I know is, part of I-25, running through Denver, was shut down for 4 hours because of this silliness. A traffic nightmare, if you were trying to get north-to-south, or vise-versa, as only 3/4 of the bypass around the city is complete, and most of that is tolled.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:25 | 2855470 Ljoot
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POTUS missed his TOTUS.

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:34 | 2855508 stiler
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No one president will make any difference ultimately. The trend is toward big govt. And are we ever going to get one in the OWG on the way.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:55 | 2855540 Gadfly
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Well, now it's confirmed.  After establishing himself as a pathological liar, just another selfish, opportunistic rich prick who wants to buy the presidency and add "President of the United States" to his resume, someone with absolutely no real political convictions whatsoever and, like the chameleon he is, change his views to suit the prevailing winds (and the pundits' criticisms), Romney is now suddenly some kind of champ because he can stand up there and aggressively bullshit his ass off for an hour and a half, lie through his teeth with impunity, and make surreal promises we know he will never want or be able to keep, suddenly were looking at someone different than he was the day before?  IF this superficial crap is what Americans base their voting decision on, God help us all. 

 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:50 | 2855760 Bastiat
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. . . and the empty suit fraud who was elected last time can hardly lift his head, let alone respond.

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