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First Obama vs Romney Presidential Debate - Live Webcast
At 9pm Eastern, the first of many presidential debates will begin, whose ultimate goal will be to validate in the minds of those 47% or so (aka the very loud minority) who intend to vote for the next president, that they have made the right choice. They haven't (for the reason, or rather 16,171,037,343,409 reasons, see here: neither candidate can do anything at all to prevent the debt crisis iceberg that America is careening into full speed, and which nobody could have foreseen). But it sure makes for great theater, and even better drinking games. So fire up the Interwebs, prepare your Tungstenschläger IV drip, lean back in your favorite easy, bought on credit, and soon to be repossessed chair, and be distracted, unknowing that during the duration of the debate, the US raked up another $200-$300 million in public debt (depending on the frequency and duration of the commercial breaks).
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If Lehrer asks a question about golf or the NBA or Beyonce Obama will wipe him up.
The Prez just demonized profit.
",,,and on top of that profit."
Like something dire. To be spurned. A pariah foisted upon mankind.
Yea, profits are evil. Losses are much more ethical.
Where are the half naked ring girls between rounds? I think WB7 should help us out here!!
I already have alcohol poisoning.
Romney kicking Obama's butt
Like a snake eating it's own tail...............
I wonder how many people really understand the historical symbolism of that!
The first Kabbalah Prez debate in history...
Jim Leher should have a button to cut their mike when they refuse to stop after time is up.
How about a button that launches pies at their faces?
Jim gave Obama 2 minutes to talk about Medicare
4 minutes later he is still talking about grandma.
I understand that Univision is doing a voice over translation of the debate with the voice of mickey mouse for Romney
and Sam Jackson for Obama
Obama appoints wife of Univision owner to UN diplomatic post>
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/26/3022322/obama-appoints-wife-of-uni...
That is to shut up the fast and furious investigation Chicago style.
I'm wasted ... What's the guys name with the big ears? I think he's losing.
what's that thing in the middle of Romney's bigger lapel flag than 0's.
Secret star of David to go with his secret undies?
LOL, his flag pin is bigger. Beginning of a flag-pin arms-race?
The news next week....
BREAKING: "Earlier this afternoon, Sen. John McCain collapsed on Capitol Hill under the weight of his 45lbs flag-pin, leading experts to ask: has the flag-pin race gone too far?"
what we need is another false flag pin to tie up broad support
the female vote is crucial
Secret Service star logo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/03/whats-th...
Obamacare is group insurance saving you 18% but you aren't allowed to save 100% or you face fines.
a small business owner, my 18% savings came in the form of a twenty percent increase. It's hard to beleive that secrete Cheneyesque meetings with insurance and drugs would benefit them in the end
Boxers, briefs or secret powerful underwear?
Stupid debate. Romneycare vs Obamacare. They are the same frigging thing.
Rombat: free enterprise always better than government, doesn't need government intervention...
...except with EVERYTHING OTHER THAN OBAMACARE, right Mitt? You're fine with the SEC, CFTC, EPA, NASA, HUD, Fed, Medicare, Medicaid, agriculture subsidies, energy subsidies, the Wagner Act, etc etc.
All that intervention in markets is super duper, but Obamacare crosses the line? And only Obamacare on the national level, at the State level in MA it too is super duper. LOL, what a fucking cocksucker.
Right, both of them have to defend big government in some way. They can't just say 'look people, you don't need us, please don't hire me because we're only wasting your money'. That is the truth, but it's not something to win the election with.
We are in the Obamacare weeds.
Let's move on.
me and the rest of the country are confused.. wasn't this suppose to be about gay marriage?
Is Mittens secret undies made in China?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment
Secret underwear cult in the WH?
Hell no!!!
Someone said this afternoon to look at you opponent.
Obama looking down makes him look like he's losing.
BamBam: "The genius of America is free enterprise"
...that's why I restrict it as much as possible?
...then the dumb shit cites Lincoln and the transcontinental RR as instance of "we do some things better together," Derp du Derp, Lincoln was a RR lawyer, the transcontinental RR was a gigantic subsidy to his corporate pals, with mass slaughter of the Indians as a side dish, you fucking muppet.
EDIT: I might add, literally ALL the RR subsidized by the federal government went bankrupt within a few years. The only RR that did not go bankrupt was the Great Northern, built by James J. Hill, which was the only RR built WITHOUT federal subsidies.
EDIT2: An interesting tidbit...guess who owned the land which became the Eastern terminus of the transcontinental RR, and made a fortue selling it to the RR? That's right, Abraham Fucking Lincoln.
Sic Temper Tyrannis bitches!
Between golf games or appearances on the VIEW of course..
did Obama just channel Bush when he said 'Freeitdom'?
Early in the debate he called mittens "Rominey" as in "Jiminey" Cricket
Abraham Lincoln! Drink.
After that horrible convention, it's nice to see romney scoring so many points
After that horrible convention, it's nice to see romney scoring so many points
gotta stop drinking.. seeing double
Ha, good one.
Now you can vote twice.
FORWARD.
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this is fucking awesome.
How the heck did you get the image into the comment?.. I tried inserting one several times but didn't succeed.
you know there will be a ramp tomorrow. pay back
My student loans are crushing me and the lender will be able to dock my SS check cause I can't find a good enough job to pay it off and save for retirement too!
You should have opened your own bank.
Huh? How are you on SS and still have student loans? Takin your sweet time paying those bitches back, eh?
I am projecting into the future. 20 years. Interest on my loan is $6/day. While I make above average salary I don't make enough to pay the $6/day in interest, pay down the principle and save money for retirement. MY HOME VALUE WAS IN FREE FALL FOR 4 YEARS. I am 48, have 62k in student loans and all those engineers that were supposed to retire didn't because of the tech bubble and Lehman and I am working with 70 year old bosses who won't/can't afford to retire. They told me I would be filling the jobs the geezers aren't retiring from!
as they say here in these parts, "fuck em' both..."
dancing with the czars
One well earned point for you sir.
Romney says regulation is a requisite for capitalism to function. It's sad that the mainstream GOP agrees with that.
This has to be one of the principal problems right now, what with OWS and everything: Everybody is mad at what they perceive as 'capitalism,' when really it is corporatism that defines the current setup, and it has stifled real value-adding enterprise and stolen wealth from the middle class, all while obliterating liberty. It's this pavlovian response to stop gap problems with things like Dodd-Frank, instead of seeing that it was regulation and the TBTF status that caused/allowed these problems to happen in the first place. These guys will just keep coming up with more exotic derivatives ad infinitum because they extort money from govt, saying it will be doomsday if they don't get TARP'd. Heads they win, tails taxpayers lose (and they win).
This summer when I was doing yard work for a guy, politics/business was brought up, including a discussion of the financial crisis and all that. He is a corporate lawyer and a smart guy who seemed to be a solid man who understood things. But when he brought up how those speculators/big banks need to be reigned in, I said something like, ' You know, some people (myself included) think the problem that capitalism has not been given a chance. Capitalism calls for bankruptcy and liquidation of malinvestment, and tough lessons come about for what were unprofitable ideas. Sure, it's painful, but the market needs that feedback.' A lot of people I know seem to say 'the banks need to be broken up.' And in return I just say, well make them stand on their own feet, i.e., no FDIC, no TBTF, no special treatment at all. Instantly they'd crumble. And I never say there would be no pain, becaues the current standard of living is propped up by borrowing from the future.
Even glass-steagall is superfluous because in a true free market, people are not incentivized to abdicate personal responsibility to things like the FDIC, and instead trustworthiness and reputations come to the forefront as priorities to depositors. The banks that gamble with money get graded as risky by ratings agencies that would proliferate, and they lose business. Boycotts and natural market mechanisms would leave those bad companies with no customers.
Sadly most people never actually bother thinking about what capitalism actually calls for, if it were allowed to play out with totally voluntary, un-coerced action. Regulation becomes intuitive under the guises of 'security' and such, even though they fail. And obviously there is the revolving door between the regulated and regulators.
People think it is more 'civilized' to have a welfare state and the political correctness and all that, and what were the most prosperous times economically as far as blazing growth and better morals/work ethic, the 19th and early 20th century, are viewed as barbaric. I'm not one-size-fits-all romanticizing the past, by the way, as though everything was virtuous. There were bad things to be sure and mankind is evil and born of a sinful nature. Just making that clear. I know the non-politically correct story behind how many of the Founders were actually in occults and masonic. I investigate this stuff for myself. I just believe it wasn't merely coincidental that in the beginning years of this American experiment there was that much prosperity and explosive growth with a strong dollar and high wages (and measured in gold, too) and exporting more than any other country in the world.
I think people like thinking of themselves as victims and that they are owed something. They become antagonistic towards laissez-faire, which calls for everything being earned. They thusly try to marginalize libertarians and intimidate people by saying it would be dog-eat-dog and with no compassion. This leads to things like we saw at the DNC where many of them openly said corporate profits should be banned. Never mind that charity actually was a major part of those times in the industrial revolutions this country had, and it was more wholesome as far as Christianity being integral to it, with the dignity of earning one's keep, instead of just anonymously taking a handout. Right now society celebrates perversion and consumerism, with things like low interest rates being agreed to by most, and then the Obama commercials encouraging people to get on food stamps and take what is theirs. The bread of welfare back then was bitter such that one would not become a dependent leech, and also there were private sector means to lift people up. In the laissez-faire years, people would come together voluntarily and advocate and practice temperance movements. That was a big thing for me in realizing I am a libertarian/classical liberal/what conservative used to mean. I am super anti alcohol and harmful drugs across the board. But I need to be on the frontlines persuading people not to use these things, and have them see why with things like highway slaughters and destroyed families owing to alcohol, such that they quit of their own accord, because just legislating morality does not work. Leaving it to the law backfires many times, actually, because people become lazy as far as railing against alcohol and other debauchery. They think putting things into law gets the job done and that's that. Never mind that supply of marijuana has not gone down a bit, and that all the 'war' on it has done is make the black market more lucrative in it, and that it created so many victimless-crime prisoners.
Got off topic there, but just kind of explaining how I saw libertarianism fit right in with my conscience as a very conservative Christian. I am called to evangelize so that people may be saved by believing in the Lord and His precious blood that cleanseth all unrighteousness. Spiritual warfare is the Christian weaponry. Don't let something like Catholicism and its manmade doctrines of conquest and conversion by the sword and catechisms/unbiblical beliefs like purgatory, which holds that Christ's atonement for sin was insufficient, distort the truth about Christianity.
Jesus Christ died for us on the cross, and only those who believe in Him are saved to be reunited with their Father in Heaven. Only faith in Christ can save a person.
TL;DR
Still trying to find where Massachusetts has the best public schools in the nation? Can someone help me?
The government shouldn't pick winners and losers.
Student loans are a device for the Jew Bankers to garnish your Social Security Benefits until the day you die because their aren't enough jobs paying enough to pay back the loan. Jew scheme to steal our retirement benefits.
helping friendly book: - "Fiscally conservation wasp". lol
What the hell does ""Fiscally conservation wasp" mean? I am non Protestant, I'm Gnostic.
If you look REAL close, you can make out the faint existence of the puppet strings on the screen.
Wonder when they will both break out into the song, "Doe, a deer, a female deer..."....
Obama's strings look worn out
I think romney kicked butt,
Obama stuttered and stammered way to much.
Hello retard #1,this is retard #2,can you hear meeeeeeeeee.
yes but...
the invisible hand includes govt intervention in markets. If anything can happen it will and at the worst possible time.
PITIFUL.....
I listened to about 3 minutes.
Obama said something to the effect of, "SS is sound."
Romney responded with, "he wants to cut such and such."
I was very sad.
It's almost over. It's a clown contest now. Bunch of PT Barnum suckers in the audience, soaking it up.
It's amazing how far from basic truth the country has veered.
I would like and America without TSA and Drones.. If either actor can accomplish this I will be happy to vote for that clown. Thank you and goodnight.
when was the last Yankee elected as Prez anyway?? ( i know Mitt is from michigan but he act Yankee now)
That's not a thrill going down Chis Matthews' leg.
His eyes are very red, I think he's been crying.
Ok,Back too bullets,beans and well,ya know.Nothing new here.
is this the first time Mitts family met a black man?
Certainly the first time they have touched one.
is it safe Dad? He's unchained!
is this the first time Mitts family met a black man?.....
you stinking pile of dung..get it right that guy is a semi black semi white and all bought elite created puppet.
theres your algo ramp .. programmed on cue
Can we have one fucking debate without that clown Reagan being mentioned?
Assholes.
GEORGE CARLIN FUCKIN LIVES.Jesus F Christ were so fucked.
Won't cut Social Security, will increase medical care regardless of cost, won't cut military.
Won't cut deficits.
Either of them.
The Republic is Dead. It would take 50 years of continuous 4%+ surpluses without stumble, just to bring down the federal debt.
Not to mention all the other forms of indenturing of the public.
Monetization. Inflation. State sponsored fraud. Theft, confiscation, and erosion of any AmeriKon Dream.
Both promise greater looting, polluting, and promises of no prosecuting.
The Republic is Dead. Stone Cold dead. Dead as a coffin nail. Tot. Sehr Tot. Ganz Tot. Mausetot.
For some reason Romney reminded me of Reagan...
Calm, determined, confidence.
Clownish.
A bad actor, a fake conservative, in the early stages of senility?
the comical part is that anyone who really believes this mess is so zombatized to their party that it doesn't matter what happened.. long spin cycles
We're totally fucked.
Fuck You Mormon,and Fuck you skinny Chicago hood rat.
ain't nobody got time for those shitty debates!
in between home hobbies, i'll spend my time trolling zh.
Under Pressure, Romney gets Focused; Obama gets Flustered.
Obama Slick; Romney Substantive.
I'd love to see a word count. Romney's pace was double the Agitator
I have counsel for both: re; Foreign Policy "debate".... Ever-expanding WAR is not a winning issue for either side of this party.... Americans of all walks are tired of funding medieval tribal wars while folks at home lose their shirts
Falak Pema gives the win to Obama !
Monedas gives Romney the win !
And what will change after all this? Chorous of Angels: "Absolutely Nothingggggggg". Thanks, thought so....
Cognus,
Love that phrase, " funding medieval tribal wars". Never heard it put that way; you are 100% spot on!!!
Debt Brother looked Presidental - that is, "not giving a shit"...
Jim Lehrer: Will the real Mitt Romney please step to the podium!
Regardless of your ideology, there is much to be said for one and done.
Term Limits, BITCHEZ!
Tyson vs Frazier - 1st Round Knockout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2phQYGq2g
Samuel Jackson is a uppity niqqer... and a stone lying shit-bag... should be deported...
When Obama said we need to punish corps that send jobs overseas,
I was jumping up and down, say it romney come on say it.
"Mr. President, your jobs czar Jeff Imellt, has been sending jobs overseas for 4 years, and his corp pays zero taxes.
The american people had the chance to put Ron Paul there instead of Romney...sigh
some yutz says the american people did not put Ron Paul in, LOL..that ain't the way this "system" works..ever wonder why 2 dem presidents had no fathers?? and a current POTUS has no real history?
McCain was dead last in the primaries and then one day the MSM says he now leads..LOL
they run who they can control..and anyone for the USA and it's people need not apply.
the US raked up another $200-$300 million in public debt.. Yes, But the NY Yankees won.
"On day 1 my first act will be to declare the goverment null and void"
"On day 2 my second act will be to fire myself and dismiss congress"
What I really wanted to hear.