Did Turkey Just Declare War On Syria?

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Just out from the WSJ:

  • Turkey's parliament has approved a bill authorizing the military to conduct cross-border operations in Syria, a day after a deadly shelling from Syrian territory killed five civilians

So, just how is this different to war? And how does NATO, and specifically Article 5 feel about this? What about Russia and China?

More from the WSJ:

Turkey's parliament approved a measure proposed by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, giving the government broad powers to send soldiers into "foreign countries" after Turkish armed forces and Syria traded fire on Wednesday and Thursday.


The measure is valid for one year and allows Mr. Erdogan to deploy troops into Syria without consulting with the national assembly in Ankara. The measure was opposed by the main opposition Republican People's Party, which dubbed it a "war bill."


Opponents argue that the rules of engagement adopted after Syria downed a Turkish reconnaissance jet in June provide a broad enough mandate to thwart threats from President Bashar al-Assad's regime, which has been battling an uprising that started in March 2011 and is supported by Turkey.


"The negative impacts of the ongoing crisis in Syria on our national security is visible in an increasing fashion," Mr. Erdogan said in the bill he submitted to parliament. "The aggressive actions targeting our national lands are at the threshold of armed attacks.... For that reason, it has become necessary to take precaution to act in a timely and quick manner against additional risks and threats facing our country."

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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:17 | 2855272 toxic8
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War, uh, what it is a good for?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:18 | 2855282 It is a bargin ...
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Absolutely nuttin

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:22 | 2855298 LongSoupLine
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say it again.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:25 | 2855310 ghengis86
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Short archdukes, long misery. This shit disgusts me

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:47 | 2855362 chumbawamba
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Longshanks: I gave Mornay double his lands in Scotland and matching estates in England. Lochlan turned for much less.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:58 | 2855405 idea_hamster
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"Parliamentary approval"?  For military operations?

What a bunch of quaint-assed 19th-century buffoons -- didn't they get the memo from John Yoo?  All that separation-of-power checks-on-the-executive crap went out with [9/11 | Y2K | Jimmy Carter | Woodstock | Pearl Harbor].

Erdogan better show some sack and start talking "Unitary Executive," or he'll have all kinds of useless whining to deal with.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:12 | 2855431 Dalago
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"Without the National Assembly."  Sounds like USA (Israel) advised/strong armed this false flag.  Obviously the Turkish people don't want war.  But the few fuckers that profit off of it will be elated.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:19 | 2855442 SWRichmond
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I realize most of you don't know this, because you weren't taught it in the government schools, but Germany started WWII by dressing up German soldiers in Polish uniforms and having them attack a German border station.  Germany invaded "the aggressor" Poland soon thereafter.

Governments have been using false flags to start wars for thousands of years.  There's nothig sjurprising or new about it.  How hard would it be for any small group of assholes, working for whomever, to set up a couple a Katyushas on the Syrian side and launch them into Turkey? 

This is so transparently stupid it's mind-boggling.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:37 | 2855517 Stackers
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War is a racket

~Gen S. Butler

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:56 | 2855564 prains
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The fog of war is now more of a "leakage" of war

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:59 | 2855804 Spirit Of Truth
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This has been a long-time coming and well planned out by Russia and allies in pursuit of the West's defeat:


But you are welcome to continue to "make believe" differently.  The Kremlin greatly appreciates your cooperation.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:16 | 2855862 falak pema
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where Fibonacci meets the scriptures and all is made clear! 

The scholastic medieval world always dreamt of making Aristotle talk to Maker above; physics and metaphysics made simple as walking on water! 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:51 | 2855998 redpill
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Looks like this party is going to get started and no one even had to shoot at the USS Maddox.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 12:58 | 2856201 randomdrift
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No. But Romney blew Obama out of the water in the debate last night. ---  Incumbants win in wartime.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 15:47 | 2857010 Dead Canary
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Send in the Maine and Lusitania.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 16:06 | 2857100 Darth Mul
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As disinfo for the End Timers...  this is pretty piss poor.


Bad Hasbara Troll!!



Thu, 10/04/2012 - 09:58 | 2855566 tip e. canoe
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"working for whomever" : an essential point.   the world is being pushed into picking sides.   if one wishes not to fall into the trap, then "whomever" is irrelevant. 

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:40 | 2855717 Randall Cabot
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The jew supremacists in Britain and France started WWII by convincing the nitwits running Poland not to allow Germany to build a highway and railroad connecting Prussia to East Prussia or to return the 97% German city of Danzig. The attack you speak of was a minor tactic used when the war had essentially already started.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:12 | 2855845 falak pema
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lol, WW2 a result of the Reich's passion for building autobahns! 

You should see Leni's "Triumph of the will"...very poetic and a true ideological road map of things to come.

Before Danzig zig-zagging the Reich did obtain Sudetenland Czecho saying : "this is our ONLY claim to fatherland"...at Munich 1938.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:49 | 2855991 Randall Cabot
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"...the Reich did obtain Sudetenland Czecho saying : "this is our ONLY claim to fatherland"...at Munich 1938."

Yes, but the situation worsened for the Germans living in the Polish Corridor. The Poles weren't exactly the innocent goody two shoes that the jew supremacist liars want you to believe.

Scroll to about the 7:00 mark of this short clip:


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 13:53 | 2856338 akak
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Oh yes, the POLISH were the aggressors against peaceful Nazi Germany.

And why were all those Germans in "East Prussia" in the first place?  Oh, that's right --- because the Germans invaded the Baltic homeland of the original, real Prussians and WIPED THEM OUT through intentional genocide (the first such incident in European history), while appropriating their homeland and their very name.

Fuck you and your vile revisionist bullshit.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:00 | 2856426 Randall Cabot
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I link to evidence to back my views, all you can do is foam at the mouth and call names.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:10 | 2856448 akak
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Your 'evidence" is specious and insulting to anyone with an IQ above 50, and as the historical events surrounding the Nazi aggression against Poland are well-known and beyond rational dispute, I call you a malicious liar and a Nazi apologist.  You might as well try to convince me that the sky is yellow and grass is purple.

The quasi-fascist ruling cabal of Poland in the 1930s were no saints, and I do not defend them, but to accuse the POLES of aggression against Nazi Germany is like blaming the rape victim for being raped.

Damn you and your lies.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:19 | 2856505 Randall Cabot
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More foaming at the mouth and name calling with nothiing to support your views other then that they are "well-known".

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:19 | 2856507 Darth Mul
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Well, I'm not sure why you feel so certain that the orthodox narrative about the Nazi false flag is definitely what happened.  Now, I'm sure if you do some googling, you'll see that some legit historians {quite apart from any 'questionable'} sources do suggest that Poles and/or Jews and/or Bolsheviks were responsible.

I don't claim that to be true - I wasn't there - but I think it legitimate to say there are some questions about it, and illegitimate to claim that what wikipedia says is gospel truth.


For example - take the history of the history of the Katyn Forest massacre.  Blamed on the evil Germans, it was actually done by the Bolsheviks - and whether or not you want to hear it, the Bolsheviks were largely, and perhaps majority Jewish.   But for many years, it became futher proof of just how evil the Germans were to a man.


Strange how Britain and France declared war on Germany for invading what had been German land, but didn't declare war on the Soviets when the Soviets invade from the easy about 10 days later.


Also funny how the Allies - so concerned about freedom and all - let the Soviets grab Eastern Europe wich resulted in hundreds of thousands being rounded up and sent to... concentration camps where hundreds of thousands died - not to mention Soviet {Bolshevik} policies which directly and indirectly resulted in widespread famine.


The Bolsheviks also committed what is probably best deemed genocide in Ukraine... again, the West was strangely untroubled by that.


Question the answers.


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:36 | 2856619 Darth Mul
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now, now boys -


I think it important to note that basically "Operation Himmler" is known only from the testimony of one imprisoned Nazi who likely was motivated to lie.    I think it best to keep an open mind.


While it seems very possible that the Germans did, in fact, engage in the false flag {and covetted their former eastern lands}, there is too much editing od 20th centruty history to simply reject evidence.


For example, the birth of the Jewish state was made possible by Jewish terrorism.  Arabs rejected partition because Palestine was only about 9% Jewish in 1920, but they were going to be given the best farm and coastal land, and much more land than was proportionate.


Of course, you never hear about the Jewish terrorism and false flags in the MSM


History is both written and suppressed by the 'victors.'


In the not too distant future, the Mossad involvement in history's greatest false flag, 9/11 - will be deemed to have been obvious at the time. 



But right now, people still are well trained to dismiss even mountains of good circumstantial evidence, and means/motive/opportunity/cui bono. 


This is changing swiftly, making an attack on internet freedom virtually certain.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:23 | 2856544 Darth Mul
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LOL - the old Prussians were conquered by the Tuetonic Knights in the 12th century.   And they were assimilated, not wiped out.


If you don't think 700 years of continuous residence is long enough to claim as a continuous "homeland" - you must not think Zionism has any legitimacy whatsoever.




Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:46 | 2856643 akak
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Actually, the Old Prussians --- the original Prussians, a Baltic people related to the Latvians and Lithuanians, and who are now extinct --- were enslaved and systematically annihilated by the German invaders, whose racial arrogance, intolerance and militant aggression were all well-documented at the time of their invasions and incursions into formerly non-German Baltic territory, resulting in the multi-ethnic forces allied against them at the Battle of Grunwald in 1410, in which the Teutonic Knights (the spearhead of German conquest in the non-German Baltic lands) were defeated by a gigantic army led by Polish and Lithuanian forces.  It is just too bad that the victors were unable to capitalize on their victory and push the Prussian usurpers (Teutonic Knights and German colonizers) out of the area for good.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 16:09 | 2857113 Darth Mul
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Meh, I don't doubt there was a lot of mass murdering, but I live in america, pal - we committed genocide and broke all sorts of treaties and employed false flags against the natives far, far more recently than the Battle of Grunwald.


You feel me, though?


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 16:20 | 2857162 akak
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Yes, I do. 

And I fully acknowledge that if one choses to go back into history far enough, one can find reason to castigate almost EVERY ethnic group for "wrongs" committed against another.  I simply bristle when having the outrageously twisted, Nazi-apologizing revisionist garbage shoved in my face, as this RandallCabot has done.  My point in bringing up the Old Prussian genocide and the Battle of Grunwald was that the aggressive, imperialistic history of the Germans is consistent over the last millenium and well-documented, unlike the spurious "aggression" of Poland, which was NEVER an expansionistic power in the German mold.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 17:37 | 2857429 Randall Cabot
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LOL You had to go back 800 years? Well then, let's go back 300 years to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. I guess you skipped over them because their expansionist poiicies don't fit your simple-minded Hollywood jew supremacist view of history.

And you probably don't know, because you didn't see it on jew supremacist TV or in a Hollywood movie, but the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth joined the Germans to defeat the Turks in the Battle of Vienna and to drive the Turks out of Europe!!!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 17:52 | 2857474 akak
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Actually, I am well aware of the historic victory of the allied Christian forces, led by Polish king Jan Sobieski (and whose plurality consisted of Polish cavalry and infantry), over the Turks in the Battle of Vienna in 1683.  It is also interesting to note that at that time, and to this day, the Austrians refused to acknowledge the Polish contribution to the success of the battle, raising statues of their (absent, having fled the city) Emperor Leopold instead.

As for trying to equate the foreign and domestic policies of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth with those of (Germanized) Prussia, or Bradenburg, or any other of the imperialistic, expansionistic, militarily aggressive German states, well, good luck with that, neo-Nazi.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 18:44 | 2857651 Randall Cabot
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LOL, now you're aware of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Then why did you skip over it and go back 500 more years in history when you could have watched the video I posted from 1939 events that proves you don't have a clue of what you're talking about:



Thu, 10/04/2012 - 20:02 | 2857874 akak
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Now?  When I did state or imply that I was not aware of it?

And instead of just posting a link, which tells me NOTHING, do you have some point to actually make, neo-Nazi?  If so, why don't you make it.  All I learned from your link was five minutes of straightforward and commonly-acknowledged history, and ten minutes of ridiculous pro-Nazi, anti-Polish propaganda of the most extremely distorted and perverted kind.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 20:17 | 2857897 Randall Cabot
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Face it loser, the idiots running Poland are to blame for the war becuase they were too stupid to know they were being set up by the jew supremacists in Britain and France so they were desrtroyed by the Germans while their "allies" did nothing to help them and then they turned over to the Russians after the war.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 20:28 | 2857923 akak
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Yep, it's all the fault of the JOOOZZZZ!

Now I fully understand where you are coming from with your wild and disingenuous historical revisionism and your pro-Nazi sentiments.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 20:47 | 2857962 Randall Cabot
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You've very obviously proved that you're too stupid to understand anything.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 14:39 | 2856631 Darth Mul
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this guy doesn't strike me as either nuts or racist, but I still don't buy most of the "revisionism" I've seen as to death camps.  Friend of my dad was actually a hangman at nuremburg who saw the camps at the end of the war and said, having seen them, he had no problem at all hanging the nazis.    I have no reason to think he was lying about what he saw - camps where mostly Jews were emaciated and had been worked to death for sure.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 15:17 | 2856840 Randall Cabot
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All the so-called "death camps" were in the Soviet zone so your father's friend is full of shit.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 16:12 | 2857124 Darth Mul
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Dachau, inter alia, was liberated by American soldiers.


Do you think that just because there's a lot of B.S. in the history books, those revising it are not about as likely to lie, or cherry pick evidence?


I want you to know, too, that if you had spoken that comment in my presence, I would have broken your fucking jaw then curbed you, Randall.


I really mean that shit, too.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 16:40 | 2857233 Randall Cabot
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Dachau wasn't a "death camp", it was a concentration camp. It says so right at the top of your own link:


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 17:34 | 2857426 nofluer
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Additional on 3rd Army:

Liberated Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp.

Liberated Buchenwald at 3:15 PM Apr 11, 1945.

Look it up.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 17:39 | 2857438 Randall Cabot
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YOU look up the difference between a "death camp" and a concentration camp!

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 18:19 | 2857570 nofluer
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Re Buchenwald: "The camp was built by the prisoners. During the entire summer of 1937, the SS forced the prisoners to use their "free time" to carry huge stones from the quarry to the camp. Those who had the misfortune to carry stones that were too small in the eyes of the SS, were immediately killed... The official goal of Buchenwald was the destruction of the prisoners by work. Thousands of prisoners were murdered in Buchenwald by work, torture, beatings, or simply starvation and lack of hygiene."


approximately 56,000 souls were murdered or died there. You fukin moron. ALL of the German camps were death camps!!!


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 18:34 | 2857614 Randall Cabot
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Wikipedia on the so-called death camps. NOW WHO IS THE MORON???

"Most Holocaust historians identify six German Nazi extermination camps, all in occupied Poland; two of them, Chelmno and the Auschwitz II, in the western Polish areas annexed by Nazi Germany (October 1939), four in the General Government area


Thu, 10/04/2012 - 17:30 | 2857412 nofluer
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My wife had an uncle who fought with Patton's 3rd Army. He was with them when they liberated a German Concentration camp.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:05 | 2855827 falak pema
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hey the trojan horse came to turkey, then troy.

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:52 | 2856006 Totentänzerlied
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"dressing up German soldiers in Polish uniforms"

They dressed them up as plumbers?

Thu, 10/04/2012 - 15:42 | 2856979 Oldrepublic
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It was very evil, they actually were from a concentration camp

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