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Did Turkey Just Declare War On Syria?
Just out from the WSJ:
- Turkey's parliament has approved a bill authorizing the military to conduct cross-border operations in Syria, a day after a deadly shelling from Syrian territory killed five civilians
So, just how is this different to war? And how does NATO, and specifically Article 5 feel about this? What about Russia and China?
More from the WSJ:
Turkey's parliament approved a measure proposed by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, giving the government broad powers to send soldiers into "foreign countries" after Turkish armed forces and Syria traded fire on Wednesday and Thursday.
The measure is valid for one year and allows Mr. Erdogan to deploy troops into Syria without consulting with the national assembly in Ankara. The measure was opposed by the main opposition Republican People's Party, which dubbed it a "war bill."
Opponents argue that the rules of engagement adopted after Syria downed a Turkish reconnaissance jet in June provide a broad enough mandate to thwart threats from President Bashar al-Assad's regime, which has been battling an uprising that started in March 2011 and is supported by Turkey.
"The negative impacts of the ongoing crisis in Syria on our national security is visible in an increasing fashion," Mr. Erdogan said in the bill he submitted to parliament. "The aggressive actions targeting our national lands are at the threshold of armed attacks.... For that reason, it has become necessary to take precaution to act in a timely and quick manner against additional risks and threats facing our country."
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Right, except it's not clear whether the incident was caused by the FSA (whos strategy involves dragging others into the conflict) or the Syrian army . Just like when Turkey invaded Syria's airspace recently and claimed Syria was the aggressor when it shot down the jet, this isn't black and white.
Cui Bono? The answer is the mercenaries/rebels. It is to their benefit to drag Turkey into the conflict against Assad. What would Assad's forces gain from shelling a Turkish town? Absolutely nothing, less than nothing - Erdogan now has the excuse he was trying so hard to find.
"Just like when Turkey invaded Syria's airspace recently and claimed Syria was the aggressor when it shot down the jet"
What a cock!
The pilot and co-pilot makes a mistake and strays over the boarder before getting murdered by a Syrian missile. Those two men leave behind widows and children who will grow up without fathers, and you call that Turkey 'INVADING' Syria???
How would you like it if you go deer hunting near the border, accidently stray over so you get machine gunned by a fucking Mounty. Would you be stood outside the pearly gates saying “fair enough I fucking invaded Canada”
You cock!
Another fuckin' warmongering statist shill. Why don't you volunteer to go fight?
Again, more Truther pacifist horse shit.
Self defense does not make one a war monger, you fucking ass hat.
The Syrians have admitted to all this, and nations have accidental border crossings all the time without shooting each others aircraft down.
Syria is jumpy because of Isreal's sponsorship of their rebels (an incredibly stupid thing for Isreal to do since the MB will go after Isreal harder than Assad ever did) and the Syrians thought the Turkish plane might have been Isreal using Turkish air space as cover to get a jump on Syrian air defenses.
Syria has admitted responsibility, likely lower level hot headed officers, but it could be coming directly from Assad. He is getting desperate and might be trying to force Iran and Russia's hands into providing him more support as it apparently has not been enough to counter balance what the West and Isreal have been giving the rebels.
"Another fuckin' warmongering statist shill. Why don't you volunteer to go fight?"
So I think its out of order to gun down a plane with two people inside and that make ME the warmonger?? - How long have you been a total fucktard Overfed?
Statist? If I had my way i would privatise National defence let alone healthcare and education. If i'm a statist then your not a fucktard.
He is a fucktard.
Didnt want to leave you wondering, lol.
It's so funny how these Truthers get so wrapped up in their paranoid fantasy that they cant see normal diplomatic maneuvering outside of a context of MOSSAD/CIA shenanigans.
Not that MOSSAD and the CIA dont do underhanded shit, they do, but not everyfuckingthing in the world is caused by the CIA or MOSSAD.
That is the pitfall of the conspiracy mongers; they cant discern the limits of the conspirators interests or reach, and so everything becomes a conspiracy when plain old stupidity and farce easily suffices.
Yes, that is quite literally 'invading Syria's airspace'. I don't know what planet you're living on, but that is the literal definition of invading a countries airspace. I could not make it any more clear for you... Try and keep up champ.
Turkey invades Syria to help establish the MB in Syria.
The last Caliphate was headquartered in Turkey.
It looks like they're making a play so that the next one is headquartered there too.
The last Caliphate was headquartered in Turkey.
Clearly they plan on repeating....got history bitchez?
caliphate? is that what the cia calls itself these days? /s
I disagree. The caliphate is religious rule. The Ottoman Empire was based in Turkey. Turks are far more nationalistic than their neighbors. I am certain that a few Turks wouldn't object to a return of the Ottoman Empire by seizing part of Syria if they were able to.
Syria would not do well against the Turkish army. Turkey's army is far better equipement and has larger numbers. Turkey has a mandatory conscription army, and is able to call up huge military reserves if need be. Turkey's army isn't probably quite as well trained as Israel's, but it is far larger. Syria would never be able to get enough troops in from Iran, or jihadis from Egypt/Iraq/Lebabnon to cause much of a problem. And, Turks have a history of some fairly brutal behavior that might make a potential jihadi change his mind.
Turkey has been dealing with PKK for years, and has put a serious dent in their (PKK) operations, so they have recent counter-terror operations and personell. I'm not saying they are outstanding at it, but they have a system in place to deal with insurgents.
In Korea the Turks were just nuts. My dad said he fought a little behind them, most of the time saying, "What the fuck..."
"In Korea the Turks were just nuts. My dad said he fought a little behind them, most of the time saying, "What the fuck...""
FIFA 2002 World cup?
"FIFA 2002 World cup?"
I'd bet on the ROK Tigers. Oh, wait. they don't let them use weapons - do they. Nevermind...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Caliphate
This is not a declaration of war, but it gives permission to do cross border operations if it is necessary to retaliate any attack coming from Syria.
So, just how is this different to war? And how does NATO, and specifically Article 5 feel about this? What about Russia and China?
Declaring war is as old fashioned and outdated as writing love poetry.
I'd be surprised to learn of a state government left in the world that still feels obligated to do that anymore (much less build a republican consensus on the matter first)...or even acknowledge that a war is a war.
I remember Bush's prime time tv ad for shock-and-awe... but I'm not sure it was a conditional declaration (It will be war unless my demands are met in x days) or announcing a future declaration (I'll declare war unless my demands...) and then never declared but went for it anyway.
I think after thousands of dogfights in the Aegean sea their Air force is ready now to do proper air fights... So much free training oh and i forgot to mention their naval forces(frigates,submarines) that went outside of Athens many times in the last years....Peaceful neighbor.
it's not war, it's just cross-border kinetic military action.
War has been redefined to glass. It is less than half a measure if you fire at half the people. Then again billing is done after rehypothication of the population numbers. So on net there is no money in glass.
Muzzie on Muzzie cross-border whatever...
(Yawn)
Stay out, sit back and enjoy the show.
Staying out would'nt cause the shit to stir proper.
You are more likely to go into a fight, than compromise, when you know you have friends around to help you out.
Seldom, people would want to go into a fair fight with equal odds, they would rather compromise.
It appears Turkey is our proxy for taking out Syria, time for putin to step it up a notch.
If by 'our' you are refering to our State Department or th eWhite House, I doubt it. They are pissing their pants that this might cause Obama to lose the election.
So what if thousands die in a regional conflict, we gotta get Obama four more years!
Hey Imus, is it your deepest fantasy to answer every comment on this thread? Shut the fuck up already!!!!
Kiss my ass, dweeb.
It's not different to war..It is war.But,so what, there is so much war these days,who can tell one from the next?
And isn't that just as TPTB would have it.
Create a problem,then,produce a solution,wether that be further controls,enforced by machine-gun bearing agents
of the state,or a brand new (enforced) currency,or outright martial law,with all the brutality which that entails.
Whatever the problem which TPTB foist on the rest of us,next,be assured that they also have the a"workable" solution,
which will take us further toward the "security" envisioned by the NWO.
Did this cause the alligator algo ramp in oil overnight?
The smackdown yesterday was interesting. Guess somebody wanted a buy-in at a lower entry price. There's no way in hell we don't get back above $100 in short order.
It's not war just a measure to frighten Syrian government. By the way Turkey already had the same bill for Iraq for years.
Typical False Flag operation of the North Atlantic Terror Organization.
Erdogan was the first head of state little barry called from the oval orifice in 2009.
Bullshit.
It cant be false flag when the Syrians have already admitted to the three most significant acts of this whole crisis.
You keep repeating this as if it's a gospel truth refutation of a false flag.
The Syrians officially admit that they fired on a hostile military aircraft, and fired on "rebel" forward bases. Mind you, these "rebels" are funded and supplied by "the Allies". Read up on the Free Syrian Army. It's pretty obvious you have not already done so.
No, the Syrians have admitted to shooting down the aircraft. It is not disputable.
Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi told reporters in Damascus on Monday. “The Syrian response was an act of defense of our sovereignty carried out by antiaircraft machine gun, which has a maximum range of 2.5 km,” he said.
So, no it was not the Free Syrian Army, and the Syrians claim it was an accident. So how can it be a false flag attack?
Same goes for the mortar attacks. The syrians are likely using young inexperienced draftees to work these various weapons, they are training for a possible war with Turkey and so accidents are very probable.
The Syrians know this, so the question is why are they doing this? Triggering Iranian intervention, and more Russian support is the only thing that makes any sense...or just gross stupidity, but Assad is not stupid.
what are you smokin', dude?
That stash your mother gave me to bang her hard enough to make her forget she ever had you for a brat.
They call it a policing action, like North Korea, just put some cop car lights on Turkeys tanks.
I'm suspicious of the identities of the people who lobbed the mortar from Syrian territory into Turkey. It could have very well be pro-US rebels trying to achieve this very outcome. Syria would have been very stupid to have commited this act.
I agree, but then again stray bullets or mortars do happen.
They won't invade or "attack" without a resolution from the UN which will be vetoed by the Russian Federation. It's just posturing. For now at least...
The various imprimaturs used to "legitimize" war are shifting. Just as in the US, where the Congress has already been rendered obsolete by declaration of "never ending" war, on a global level the UN is being rendered obsolete. 1973 was a "nice to have" document, but those who desire the ability to wage "sanctioned" war have a different goal(post): 1 NATO imprimatur + (1 OIS or GCC imprimatur) >= 1 UN imprimatur.
NATO isn't what it used to be, everybody won't be able to join in wether they decide to go with or without the greenlilght from the UN. I think France probably won't, we're too busy preparing a covert war in north Mali, Germany won't follow suit, everybody else is broke. I don't see this going very well... Another defeat for America is maybe just what it needs to face reality though.
NATO could be one desk jockey with some chest spagetti and a rubber stamp- it would probably suit the war-mongers just fine. They seem more concerned about starting wars than winning wars or not losing wars or ending wars. Diplomatic consensus is usually possible with skilled diplomats and a remotely plausible objective. If this was just about "Syria", Russian Naval interests could be guaranteed. Russian & Chinese oil interests in Iran are a significantly more complex obstacle to consensus, but there are other methods of regime change that are less confrontational and don't involve ill mannered bullies playing with big shiny steel bath toys in a crowded bathtub.
I mostly agree. But I'm still pretty certain they won't start a war, directly or by proxy any time soon, they most probably already are on the ground... covertly (whatever that means these days). It won't go any further though. Not until Iran is ripe and a new president sit in the oval office.
P.S. Bibi can keep drawing cartoon-like bombs in the toilet booth of the white house, he won't have a say in that matter.
They won't invade or "attack" without a resolution from the UN which will be vetoed by the Russian Federation. It's just posturing. For now at least...
NATO doesnt have to do jack other than stay out of Turkey's way. The Turks can handle Iran, Russian conventional forces and the Syrian forces all by itself.
The Turks are not as neutered as Western diplomats or academians and will do what they think necesary to protect their civilians.
And they are not Western puppets as their refusal to let the US over fly and move through Turkey in the invasion of Iraq demonstrated.
The Turks still have some balls and will pound any of these idiots that get in their way.
Assad is getting desperate and I think he may be about to overplay his hand by provoking Turkey to get more help from Iran, Russia and China.
he Turks can handle Iran, Russian conventional forces and the Syrian forces all by itself.
jimbo bowie
stop smokin afghan dope you smaked up cracker
Lol, you are a fucking retard.
amazing, just when i thought tptb couldnt be any more devious, sly, resourceful, etc....this happens.......brilliant.....let a muslim country invade another muslim country, and presto, the power grab almost complete.....now on to iran!!!..................
Seriously? One stray shell is all it takes now to declare war?
It's not like Syria shot down a fully lopaded passenger jet by accident.
My time...it is coming....
But history is full of wars starting like this...
.......shot down a fully lopaded passenger jet by accident
Good point and that needs a link
Seriously? One stray shell is all it takes now to declare war?
It hasnt been 'just one shell', dude. This is at least the THIRD attack on Turks by the Syrians.
Maybe you should lay off the pot and pay more attention?
"Seriously? One stray shell is all it takes now to declare war?"
All it took to start WW I was a single pistol bullet...
Codl this be like the USA does drones in Pakistan and any number of other countries that we have not declared war on? Declaring a war on terror - ahem/yack - seems to override anyone's national sovereigny - 'cept ours of course.
The only real war going on is gold 1800 and silver 35.
China and Russia disagree only if UN approves a resolution regarding Siria's internal affairs.
So now if Syria (CIA) can lobb a few into Iraq (USA) then we can have a 2 front war. Water don't count.
huh so Turkey want's to go in guns blazing my god. not good.
What they want isn't news. What they are doing is.
READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9586845/Turkey-approves-military-operations-in-Syria.html
"They were struck by a mortar round fired from inside Syria "
"An online video purporting to be from Jabhat al-Nusra, a jihadist group accused of ties to al-Qaeda, claimed responsibility."
Funny how that was put at the END of the article!
1. Syria has already admitted to the mortar rounds being fired by its forces.
2. Terrorists groups have a history of claiming responsibility for things that they have not done to steal 'credit' and use it to pump up their image of being a threat and to be taken seriously.
3. This hit was in the exact middle of the town, which suggest a preplotted shot aimed by professionals with plenty of time to make the right shot.
4. Journalists are fucking morons. Dont believe half of what they say and take the rest with a large grain of salt. They work for people who expect certain results and will get them or the journalist doesnt work there long.
What? No statist shill come to refute?
damn, posted a bit too late...
So who you shilling for, fuckwad?
"So who you shilling for, fuckwad?"
Pretty sure he's "shilling" for the rest of us humans that just want to be left alone to live our lives. I know, crazy, right?
Yeah, pretty fucking crazy because it NEVER HAPPENS dude.
Therre is always some organization of people that uses thuggery, deception and lies to try and dominate the rest of us 'cattle' and rule. If it isnt a government, then its local warlords, drug lords, or petty criminals who step up into the vacuum of power.
Wake up, you will NEVER be left alone. The best you can ever hope for is to make friends with some good and capable people and keep the thugs off your back and that of your friends.
Everything 'better' than this is a pipe dream.
This is happening because there has recently been a rebellion in the top ranks of the American military. They have been refusing to start the war that our reptilian overlords are demanding. I've been surprised and impressed by that.
The problem with giving people uniforms, authority, and a nation is that sometimes they act like they believe it. Lately top US brass has been saying "We don't want to be complicit in a criminal act." Wow.
This has not best pleased our reptilian overlords. So their tongues flicked the air a few times, their eyes blinked sideways a few times, and they said to each other "We mussst find sssomeone elssse to ssstart the war."
They figure they can suck in the Americans easy, once it starts.
Good insights, but you could lose the 'reptilian overlords' thingy?
it's called, metaphor...
It's also called 'confusing' when there actually are idiots who think that the PTB are shape changing reptilians.
It's hard to tell if the guy is actually being serious with a bad taste for 'metaphors' or if he is a lunatic.
What evidence is there of a rebellion?
I'm sure there's a divide between the neocons [who are all Zionists - whether Christian or Heathen].
Clinton, who appointed... almost nothing but Jews.. was going to release Pollard, and reportedly the Chiefs of Staff threatened to quit en masse.
I would like to think the captains and colonels appreciate that we have a very warped foreign policy, and also that a war with Iran, apart from being unjustifiable, would very likely be awful for the US and its military {not that the Israelis care - they just want Iranian support for Hezbollah gone so they can go into Lebanon again}.
Fucking neocons. How Romney can kiss the ass of the Likudniks and surround himself, almost exclusively with right wing Zionist Jews... a minority of a minority making up under 1% of the country... some of whom are dual citizens, blows my fucking mind.
We just so happen to have a free fly zone established in Turkey. What are the odds?
Motar Shells: Made in USA (and fired by CIA contractors.)
MOSSAD shells fired by MOSSAD
The entire Middle East as well as the Balkans was a lot more peaceful when the Turks ruled it with an iron fist. The Muslims, Christians, and the Jews lived side by side and had to get along then whether they liked it or not.
peacefull under occupation and internal wars...
yeah, but the brits wanted to control the oil in that region.
Side show.
Cue precursor to Lk. 21:20.
Almost there...
DECEMBER 21ST PROBABLY
Lk 21:20...ancient history here, already happened. You'd have to rebuild the Temple prior to destroying it again and scattering the chosen ones.
But! Think on the bright side. Mitt Romney told the world that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. LDS and evangelists want the temple rebuilt. Maybe if the Mittster moves into the WH, he and Benny Netanyahu can get that puppy rebuilt! Then you can worry about Lk 21:20. Ain't gonna happen by Dec 21 though. Sorry. :(
Of course, one rouge asteroid hit or a CME induced Carrington Event, and this is all a moot point.
So don't worry, be happy! :)
Someone here said 10/11/12
From the Nile to the Euphrates, bitches - even though the Israelites/Judeans never controlled anything but some petty kingdoms no bigger than Rhode Island, for a lesser amount of time than the Egyptians or Ottomans ruled the area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFr4C2BPLeM
But when 'gOd' gave them the land, he made sure to order them to commit genocide to get it, because despite being the all powerful Creator of the Cosmos... he couldn't transfer good title without, you know, killing women and children and animals.
I forget who first said - If you want to understand the world, read the Old Testament.
It is batshit crazy. As is the Koran, as is, in its somewhat more palatable way, the New Testament.
I gotta say though... I feel like if Krugman's space aliens came to earth and decided to impose a legal system based on either the Koran, the Old Testament, The Talmud, or the New Testament.... you'd have to be an incorrigible moron to want to live by the ethics in any tome but the New Testament.
Not that Christians ever adhered to the bits about being nice to folks, etc.
"- even though the Israelites/Judeans never controlled anything but some petty kingdoms no bigger than Rhode Island,"
During the "mid evil" period they controlled all of europe. You don't jump and bark - you don't borrow any backsheesh!
I know I'm late with a reply, but I'll make it in case you check. Sorry, work demanded my attention. Please establish who is talking about what and when they are doing it. Your reply was an excellent example of 'taught' Christian groupthink that glosses over inconvenient aspects instead of asking why. Please exercise some creative thinking and toss the silly standard bumper sticker answers. The world is a fascinating place one you break from caged thought! Best wishes!
Try Isaiah 17:1 - 6
Pffft! Kilij (Saber) rattling at best.
Another attempt to pull Turkey into the conflict.
But Erdogan is not stupid he is not going to do this favor to the US. Simply because the great majority of the Turks know the kind of game the US is playing. The Turks do not want to be involved in a war adventure which has the potential to harm their presently booming economy.
Erdogan prefers to wait and see. maybe he is ordering to fire back into Syria, but he might hit only the wrong (or right) targets. It is clear as glass, that Assad has no interest at all to start trouble with Turkey. This means the shooting has its origin from the mercenary units in Syria paid by Quatar and Saudi (which means US/UK). So there will be either no action at all or Turkey is actively fighting the US/UK mercenaries. So my best guess is. There will be no action.
Erdogan is hated by US/UK because he is only verbally giving support but does nothing concrete. Or in the opposite is even working in secret against the US/UK strategy. Watch the smear campaigns soon to be started against Erdogan in the western media.
Im wondering why nobody is commenting the fact that US just lost its grip over Georgia (Black Sea). This is a huge defeat, imagine all the effoerts and costs to get a stronghold in this area and now a simple voring of the population is swinging Georgia back towards Moscow.
The new boss in Georgia declared already that he sees Russia as his most important market and business partner and that he wants to improve the relations with Russia and have friendship. That is a major blow.While on the other hand he does not want to provoke the US, thats why his first visit is the US not Moscow.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/world/europe/bidzina-ivanishvili-resci...
We need a map of oil pipelines. That will tell us what Turkey gets from this. My guess is there is one coming from Russia to the Med.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080401101702/whatreallyhappened/images/3/39/Turkey_to_israel_pipes.gif
LOL, someone arrowed down a fucking MAP. ROFLMAO
It gives me a real hoot to see how many morons think that they are getting back at you by giving you negs.
I really could not possibly care less what some fucktard Truther thinks about my posts.
In fact, the more they shoot flak at my posts the more I know I am on target.
We are suppose to believe the Syrian gov. that is having trouble staying in power decides to expand the war and attack Turkey . More like Turkey murdered some of it's own citizens in a false flag . What a wicked world .
You are a seriously demented peice of shit.
Nope - the Turks don't want to get into it with Syria - they already have a hot Kurd problem they don't want to exacerbate.
Very good chance it was, in fact, an overshot shell.
But it's also possible it was CIA or Mossad. German intelligence apparently came out with a report suggesting the "rebels" are only about 5% home grown Syrian.
Mossad and CIA are essentially off the reservation intelligence agencies, hijacked by the DHS apparatus installed by Chertoff and his fellow Israeli 5th columnists. Military Intelligence, however, likely knows this.
Tough to know what's true given all the disinfo and so forth, and in Syria the Saudis and Qataris may be more involved than the 'Zionists'.
In any event, tactically,
I worry that those using the Arab Spring as their cover, and who failed to get Jihadis to do anything but create Iraq style chaos and failed to totally control the media story [the NYTimes is clearly a pro-CIA spin, pro-Zionist rag, as is their Jerusalem bureau]... are increasingly desperate. Syrian disintegration is in no one's actual interest, and only the perceived interest of Likudnik Zionists
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf
http://invisiblechildrensupporter.wordpress.com/a-zionist-plan-for-middle-east-yinon/
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:CIA-MI6_Intel_Ops_and_Sabotage
We have a treaty with Turkey.
Turkey is attacked (?!) by Syria.
Turkey declares war on Syria.
Turkey holds up the Treaty for all to see.
We are at War with Syria.
Syria has a treay with Iran.
We are at war with Iran,
Russia and China don't like to be left out of all of the fun.
I sit in my pajamas and masturbate until the bright light and heat hits us.
As Winnie the Pooh would say, "Oh, bother..." I need a drink, already...
Turkey did not declare war on Syria, it's just another one of those nifty " kinetic military action humanitarian" non war, war things that NATO likes so much.
like Libya, or Bosnia.
operation Syrian overthrow...err, sorry Syrian freedom (TM) isn't going very well and so long as the military remains firmly in the Assad camp, the "rebels" have no hope of winning.
so, enter NATO powerhouse Turkey to unblock the works and get things moving in the right direction again, not to mention an attack on one NATO country is an attack on all, giving the EU and the US an in to become involved militarily.
of course what's really important here is how Moscow and Beijing will react once the NATO peace and freedom bombs start falling and it becomes clear that the western PTB's will, once again, stop at nothing to further there agenda of hegemony over the lands of brown people and oil. I don't see how Russia in particular could sit this one out seeing as they would lose there last oversees naval base if Assad is forced out, speaking of which, imagine the mess this could quickly become if even one errant Turkish missile goes "off course" and hits Tartus.
sailing a sea of gasoline, in a boat made of matches, in the pitch black of night, with not but a flame thrower to light the way.
Poetic.
+1
Sailing a sea of gasoline, in a boat made of matches, in the pitch black of night, with not but a flame thrower to light the way.
Quote of the day.
A little couplet comes to mind, told to me in the early 60's ...
"I am yours till Germany get Hungary and fries turkey in the Greece."
So what happens next?
The Greeks in Cyprus had better keep their heads on a swivel for another end-run, too.
"Me, and you. God only knows it's not what we would choose to do."
The idea is to authorize overt Turkish ground support in Syria to the insurgents and see if the Syrians dare shoot back.
I'm not sure how clever that is.
Speaking of pretexts, I'm waiting for a false flag involving Syria's stockpile of chemical weapons. That was HillaBarry's "red line".
What about Europe and what about Germany.
Lets see what the people in Europe think of the Nato if they have austerity and a war with Syria on behave of the US-Turkey war lobby.
I can tell you Europe is not the US. You can not win elections with bombing other countries.
Dachau, inter alia, was liberated by American soldiers.
Do you think that just because there's a lot of B.S. in the history books, those revising it are not about as likely to lie, or cherry pick evidence?
I want you to know, too, that if you had spoken that comment in my presence, I would have broken your jaw.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/160558#.UG4rz650jCM