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Wholesale Gasoline Shortage In California Causes Gas Stations To Shut Down: Hoarding Next?
"The squeeze is on, and people are doing desperate things," is how one independent described the situation in California. As Bloomberg reports, a shortage of supply along with drastically higher wholesale prices of gasoline has caused 'mom-and-pop' gas stations to close down as their margins are destroyed. Even larger firms, such as CostCo, are closing sites due to the shortages as Los Angeles and San Francisco gas prices jump 30-45c in a few days.
As one owner noted: "I can get gas, but it’s going to cost me $4.90 a gallon, and I can’t sell it here for $5," and another added that "we’re going to start shutting pumps Friday, as gas is costing me almost $4.75 a gallon with taxes. There’s no sense in staying open. The profit margins are so low it’s not worth it."
The problem is likely a short-term one according to some as the temporary shutdown of local refineries (after Chevron's Richmond refinery fire) and maintenance is completed but it is clear that even a short-term blip in wholesale prices (whether driven by local supply or global geopolitics) causes pain as it would appear we are close to 'inelastic' levels of demand.
- *VALERO SAYS SUPPLY IN CALIFORNIA HAS TIGHTENED
- *VALERO SAYS IT HAS TEMPORARILY HALTED SPOT SALES IN CALIFORNIA
California gas has not fallen as the national average has...
Via Bloomberg:
Gasoline station owners in the Los Angeles area including Costco Wholesale Corp. (COST) are beginning to shut pumps because of supply shortages that have driven wholesale fuel prices to record highs.
Costco’s outlet in Simi Valley, 40 miles (64 kilometers) northwest of Los Angeles, ran out of regular gasoline yesterday and was selling premium fuel at the price of regular, Jeff Cole, Costco’s vice president of gasoline, said by telephone. The company hasn’t been able to find enough unbranded summer-grade gasoline to keep its stations supplied, he said.
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Prices Jump
Gasoline at the pump gained 8.3 cents to $4.315 a gallon in California yesterday, according to AAA.com, 53.1 cents more than the national average of $3.784. In Los Angeles the price was $4.347. Gasoline futures for November delivery on the Nymex rose 11.15 cents to $2.911 a gallon at 1:35 p.m. today, after falling yesterday to a 10-week low. Retail price movements tend to lag behind those of futures.
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“I can get gas, but it’s going to cost me $4.90 a gallon, and I can’t sell it here for $5,” Ravi said. “If you come here right now, I’ve got some diesel left. That’s all. My market is open, but no gas.”
A Chevron Corp. (CVX) oil pipeline shut down last month, an Oct. 1 power failure at Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM)’s Torrance refinery and units down at other plants have cut supplies in the market.
Spot California-blend gasoline, or Carbob, in San Francisco surged 30 cents to $1.40 a gallon over futures, also the highest level since at least 2007, at 1:12 p.m. New York time.
‘Not Worth It’
“We’re going to start shutting pumps Friday,” Sam Krikorian, owner of Quality Auto Repair in North Hollywood, said by phone yesterday. “Gas is costing me almost $4.75 a gallon with taxes. There’s no sense in staying open. The profit margins are so low it’s not worth it.”
Exxon’s 150,000-barrel-a-day Torrance refinery may flare gases for a week as it restores production after a power failure that shut some units and slowed output from others, Gesuina Paras, an Exxon spokeswoman in Torrance, said by e-mail Oct. 2.
Chevron’s Kettleman-Los Medanos pipeline, which carries crude from Kern County to Northern California refineries operated by Royal Dutch Shell Plc (RDSA), Tesoro Corp. (TSO) and Valero Energy Corp. (VLO), remained shut after elevated levels of organic chloride were detected in the oil.
Phillips 66 (PSX) is also scheduled to perform maintenance on process units at its Rodeo and Los Angeles refineries this month, people familiar with the schedules said.
Chevron’s 240,000-barrel-a-day Richmond plant, the largest refinery in Northern California, has been running at reduced capacity since a fire Aug. 6.
’Squeeze is On’
“The squeeze is on, and people are doing desperate things,” Bob van der Valk, an independent petroleum industry analyst in Terry, Montana, said by e-mail yesterday. “The mom- and-pop gas stations are having to close down from either not being able to obtain gasoline from their regular distributor or cannot afford the break-even price of almost $5 per gallon.”
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Short-Term Problem
Van der Valk called the price surge a “a short-term problem.” Wholesale costs should start falling as Exxon’s refinery returns to normal operations and other plants finish maintenance.
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“Everybody is concerned about what might happen,” he said. “The real question is: How long is this going to last and what can the state do?”
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The independent gas station owners are typically the first to run out of fuel and shut their pumps when spot prices surge because they often lack long-term contracts to buy from fuel suppliers at set prices, McKeeman said.
Via Contra Costa Times:
"It's a combination of low inventories and multiple California refinery problems," said Tom Robinson, head of Robinson Oil Corp. "Really since the Chevron Richmond fire, inventories have been tight. As other refinery problems occur, there isn't much or any available inventory.
"Retailers are not yet reflecting the wholesale price increases they have experienced, so unless supply problems improve quickly, retail prices will definitely be going up."
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lock up your skateboards
What's the big deal, gasoline isn't part of Core CPI, how important could it be?
Exactly. I don't know why all these econ PhDs can't figure out that all one has to do to cure inflation is to just index inflation to the price of plastic shopping bags. Dumbasses.
Regards,
Cooter
Retarded idiots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UcQDUR-fU
"retarded idiots" That is a serious double dose of deficiency.
The article seems contradictory: they say they can get it but at too high a price and they say there is a shortage. Which is it?
It’s a repeat of 2002 “gray out” where the wholesale market was unregulated and the retail market regulated (in this case by large competitor market prices). Wholesale prices exceeded retail and wholla, rolling blackouts.
These people, Californians, are complete idiots.
What's a "wholla"?
I guess the gasoline just disappeared into the ether. No way to find out where the bottleneck is and why. Let a thousand fingers point, and let no one investigate. If the truth is known in, say 5 years, let's not bother affixing personal responsibility, because that's for welfare mothers and history is for pussies.
It's Chinatown, Jake.
Disappeared?
How about the reality. Say you own a store that sells apples and the government says you have a price ceiling or limit of $1 per apple. Then something happens in the supply chain and all of your suppliers are saying, we won't deliver your supply of apples unless you pay $3 per apple. I'll let logic work its magic here and hopefully, you'll come to the conclusion you wouldn't resupply, thus apples just disappeared as you put it.
Suppose we pet the magic unicorn? Will that work in your fairytale?
No problem, just make it up on volume.
or vodka
Un-possible. Everyone knows the government produces gasoline for free. Or at least it can demand the retailers sell at a deficit. If the government can do it, those greedy bastards can too. Cause they didn't make that gasoline, somebody else did.
Like I said. A thousand fingers point, but the truth is unobtainable.
It's like a voilà except more gangster.
Well, hell. Why didn't he just write "walla" like all the other illiterates? He had to go all fancy on us.
voila?
edit: yeah, what he said. With that thingy above the a.
Gangstà
supply v. demand
shortage drives price up
an exxon/mobil station will have a cheaper supply due to large corporation
mom and pop, not so much
can not compete pricewise
Yep. Don't worry...the bailouts are working! And to think people think they should be working for a living! Move along to...to...to..."wherever you puny humans go. Your Goverment our BITCH."
I bought me a scooter and lotsa Sta-bil. Really. Studied the scooter market for quite a while before buying.
Saw this coming a mile away.
I've owned several on- and off-road bikes in my lifetime, and I decided last year to get another small scooter for the same reason, somewhat out of nostalgia for the Honda Elite 50 I had a long time ago. So I bought a new Chinese model for super cheap, thinking I would only use it sparingly and therefore not worry so much about the quality.
To anyone reading this...DO NOT EVER BUY CHINESE!! The stupid pile of crap literally began to fall apart after only 1000 miles. The muffler fell off(!!) while I was riding it, the rear view mirror snapped, and then the ignition sputtered. The coup-de-grace was how it suddenly died while I was several miles from home in the fast lane of a boulevard. Never started again, and my trusted moto mechanic said he couldn't even begin to figure out the illogic of Chinese wire looms.
I dumped it into a trash roll-off, wrote a Statement of Fact to the DMV certifying it no longer existed, and promptly bought a quality 250cc motorcycle from a major manufacturer. Shoulda done that in the beginning. Pricey mistake on my part.
I also carry plenty of reserve gasoline to account for a short-term shortage of gas or run on the pumps.
Correct! Those Chinese scooters you see on the internet are junk. I got a Kymco 150cc. Since the wife is skittish I figured I'd get something she could manage in a pinch, otherwise I'd have gone for a motorcycle. This one is well made since Kymco also makes some of the Kawasaki 4-wheelers as well. I'm very pleased with it. One can think of the Chinese scooters as throw-aways, but that's a bitch when you're miles from home.
Whoa!
By that reckoning inflation in my here in my neck of the Great People's Repubelick of Beloved Gentle Socialism is infinite!
Plastic bags went from free to 5 cents!
Taxes!
Gubamint infinite inflation via taxes and monetary policy.
Tell your leaders to pass a law and make inflation go away.
Hope & Change. California = The new Greece with better surfing and Charlie.
We all know the checks for the $150,000 a year regular paychecks will go out to all the CA unionied Gubmint Workers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=5FYaexOKuPY
Keep Obama Prisident - he gave us a phone.
In San Jose, plastic bags went from free to illegal and pay for a paper bag if you don't bring your own.
Good.
People will start to ride their push bikes more often.
Today we have this thread about the high cost of gas.
Earlier in the week there was a thread about morbid obesity.
Maybe Tyler will throw up a thread about the high cost of health care by late Friday..??
Combine the solution for these 3 problems and the answer is easy to see - get on the bike and use it for short trips.
Careful, starting to sound like a Leftist there. You do own a Ford F350 diesel, right? Ah then you're okay.
The great thing about diesels is they'll burn almost anything. I may be in kalifornia but I have my own refining set up to run waste motor oil in my F250. Alternative fuel = fuck you price shocks and oil companies.
Hell yes, who needs a car in Kalipornia..., oh wait.
You don’t seem to understand PhD inflation calculations very well ZH’ers. When inflation helps GDP growth it counts, you know like manufacturing, and when it shows up in the CPI inflation numbers, food, energy, inelastic items below 1.0, delete the item.
It’s complex.
The preferred items that should be used for CPI calculations would be anything that has an elasticity of demand over 2.0, or even 3.0. The higher the better.
This is a complex subject for PhDs only, so get away from the curtain and stop bothering the wizard.
+1 100% correct in so many ways. The Great Fucking OZ.
but the wizard is the witch
The CPI hit is easily fixed by reducing the total number of quarts in a gallon to 3.25 for the purposes of calculative expontientalizing pre-modelled scumfuckery.
Since the universe is accelerating in its expansion, it's really deflation anyway. You can tell that to grandma since she won't be getting any cost of living increases in her social security, well, ever!
True. In fact I read in Marketing Weekly that the new Fancy Feast commercial has Grandma slapping the cat off the table and muzzling up on the crystal martini glass herself.
Already did that.
The US gallon is 32 ounces short of the UK gallon.
Did it with tons as well, ton =2240lbs. not 2000 or 2200/
ccwt =112 1bs not 100
Watch that wizard.,he makes stuff dissapear. .
On that note, does anyone know the difference in ethanol density vs. gasoline? More hijinx there with volume vs. mass, I'm sure. Really my question to physics nerds is if energy output per dollar is effected. In my line of work I see this stuff all the time ... pounds of fluid (!) to kilos to ounces to dollars ... etc ... I love explaining it to Marketers and watching their heads explode.
Energy densities are:
76,100 BTU/gal for ethanol
114,100 BTU/gal for gasoline
The local station near the marina just started selling 100% gasoline for only $0.10/gal more than the 10% ethanol-laced stuff. It's intended for boats but there's no rule against using it in cars. I'm seeing way better fuel economy so it's a great deal -- pay 2% more and get 10-15% better mileage. Wonder how long before the govt. closes that loophole....
If they can't sell gas for $5/gallon, maybe they should advertise it at $1.32 per liter..
Pussies, Europeans pay nearly $10/gallon. Get smaller, more efficient cars.
Trading in the Silverado and buying my Prius tonight, actually. I'd kill for one of those nice diesels they sell overseas, but thanks to the gubmint I'm limited in my choices.
time to trim those lard assed trailertrash gas guzzlin libtards.
Right, because trailertrash, typically with several shotguns and a large conferate flag in the trailer, is always so liberal.
What color is the sky in your world Ahmeexnal?
FYI- real trailertrash run their vehicles on "shine".
You must be still be living in the 80's boy.
Today's trailertrash was yesteryear's middle class.
Take a look at the tent cities springing up in every major city. Most of them were hoaxed into "hope and change". Well, they did get quite some change, didn't they?
Illusion.
No, the trailertrash is still the same in my neck of the woods, sounds like a FEMA camp to me. We just call that "fodder" around here.
Well, you must be living in a van down the river then. 2008 was a game changer. Middle class sheeple who rode the real estate bubble got burned and got thrown into poverty. Most of them college "educated", many even with multiple PhDs.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/26/tent-city-california-recessi...
oh shut the fuck you fuckin morons. everyone is a retard; there are not isms and ists, only retards and smart ppl. Soo while u buttfags are arguing over symantics concerning really retarded muppet sheepies, you are wasting time you could have spent learning, or fucking, or irl trolling muppets.
Look at the VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI or Audi A3 TDI, decently fun to drive and good mileage too, 49mpg for the Jetta with manual transmission.
I'll second the VW diesels. My wife averaged 49mpg with her 2004 Beetle.
Sorry Killtruck I do rather enjoy blowing by Toyota Priuses driven by frustrated weanies waiting in line for the freeway with my 13 mpg sports car as I go a mere 4 miles down broad smooth streets with no traffic from office to home. When hybrids are stuck in traffic they get 0 mpg just like everyone else!
I'm with you RP, I love taking the turns at twice the speed they do, dowsnshifting and scaring those non skilled drivers who are on the left lane slowing traffic down. I am all for fuel efficiency and that can be had with proper tuning.
A 427 cubic in V8 in a Z06 Corvette will get you 505 hp or more if modified and 28MPGs on the highway for all of those that don't know about the Magical LS engine, wish Ford had it :(
My 7.3L Ford can push about 500hp and gets well over 20mpg hwy but at well over 5000 lbs, it's in a slightly different weight class than your Corvette (and the h/p-torque ratios are completely different).
When did this turn in to a penis size contest?
everyone's a loser
wut?
You must live in NYC.
Biggest fillup is 16oz.
News provided by New York Times.
Favorite economist Paul Krugman.
Nuff said.
You guys realize that it's a bigger place than the East Village, da?
But unemployment is higher in Euroland and most of the things I buy are made in USA, Mexico, Canada, Asia, except for my favorite French chocolate truffles (Chocmod) do Europeans actually manufacture anything for the masses? Who cares if gas is more expensive there, it's not like they have jobs to go to or produce anything most people want.
Perhaps the masses consume some these firms' widgets (there are a bunch of other codes I can pull if none of the names below are familiar)
Manufacturers Producer Maker Supplier (NACE Code 00120) - Minimum annual sales necessary to enter this table: 14,837 Million Euro
Volkswagen AG, Daimler AG, Siemens AG, Peugeot Citroen , Renault S.A, Unilever Plc, British-American Tobacco p.l.c., BMW AG, ThyssenKrupp AG, Robert Bosch GmbH, Olivetti S.p.A, Siemens plc, Philips Electronics NV, GlaxoSmithkline PLC, Clariant Life Science Molecules (France) S.A.S., Novartis AG, Audi AG, Volvo, Hoffmann-La Roche AG, Unilever NV, MAN AG, Compagnie Générale des Etablissements Michelin, Bayer AG
You give us the European pussies and we'll let you keep the smaller more efficient cars.
A smaller, more efficient car wont pull my wake boat, bitch.
You got that backwards, Liberal socialist europeans are paying $10/gallon because they are pussies. If they had any balls they'd do something about it and get their prices lower.
Sorry asshole, I'll steal rich people's cars before I buy a hybrid.
Hell no, that's me exercise machine and transportation unit!
Time to dust of ye ol' bikes, boys. Remember to have that headlamp and taillight when you're riding in the night, or da popo's gonna write you up a nice ticket.
And cops can still bust you for a DUI ... on a bicycle ... so stay sober!
Regards,
Cooter
Is that a joke? You gotta be kiddin', right?
He is not kidding, you can get a DUI on even a tricycle
Or on a horse!
Or even a camel if you're taking a driver's ed course in Libya.
Of course don't try to sign up for sex ed the same day, they get too tired.
special olympics gold medalist got a ticket for DUI on his freakin wheelchair
on Pelosi ?
Robot Trader's Mom? Is that you with a new handle?
I would argue the horse thing in court. The nag always wants to go back to the barn... self-driving transportation.
Saw a guy get a DUI on a riding lawnmower once, and he had his granddaughter on his lap.
Well he shouldn't have been on the Interstate driving his lawnmower
I had my tricycle license taken away when I was 4 years old for 6 months...
or a wheelchair.
I know a guy who got a DUI on a lawn tractor. No shit. He was driving the lawn tractor because he got a DUI in his car. Then his wife left. Whoo.
Nope. True story (although DUI laws are state so there will be some variation).
I saw a drunk flip out and spew explicatives in the beer/liquor part of the grocery store once. Totally smashed. Stumbles out the door, gets on his bike and (amazingly) manages to ride it through the lot to go where ever ... and get busted when the cops showed up.
If you are drunk, you better be walking or riding as a passenger ... or its DUI city.
Regards,
Cooter
Even if you're walking, they'll either give you a DIP (drunk in public) or take you to the drunk tank till you blow 0.00. Happened to a couple of friends of mine - they were simply WALKING, man. WTF!
My GF at the time got a DUI on roller-skates. No shit.
Who can afford to drink anymore? I mean not even a frigin beer is safe anymore? Anywho fuel costs have surged today up here as well. Stay long Texas, Alaska and North Dakota. Ideally the Bank of North will start issuing currency back by their massive oil reserves and break the back of this Jewish Confetti. I did see Morgan Stanley has already fled the country to Qatar. Odd...so much here in the USA...unless your a citizen of course.
I am personally long Alaska.
I do see the economy of ~750k people in a state that comprises approx. 20% of the land mass of the US managing to keep its fiscal house in order while the shit hits the fan.
I do not see the state issuing its own commodity backed currency. If you want a piece of the pie, move on up!
Regards,
Cooter
You'd better be prepping for when the combined red armies (China, VietCong, North Korea, Russia) launch their Alaska invasion.
alaska state pension funds
undefunded by 11 billion...
oil revenues dropping daily ..
Extreme DUI laws are a great way to sqeeze the plebes for $$. And nobody will bitch 'cause it's a "public safety" issue.
We're fucked.
On a side note, ever try riding a bike when you're drunk? It sucks. Driving is much easier. ;-)
I haven't gotten a DUI, but I was issued a $128 ticket for timing a stoplight in suburbia a few months ago. Cop got on his blowhorn and everything....impeded church traffic.
The worst part was issuing the ticket wasn't enough. The dickweed felt I needed a lecture (I'm in my mid-30s) about safe cycling practices. I said, "I get it" in the middle of his lecture and he wrapped it up.
While he lectured, I kept thinking, is it worth my time to explain to this tard that I understand cars outweigh me by a factor of 10? Add in force of impact and, well, I get that I don't stand a chance. Somehow I doubt he would have understood that because I have the most to lose I'll probably be extra careful.
Silly laws should not be obeyed. I suppose the only good to come out of this was making a few lemmings late for church.
Obama asked for no increases till December....
I just paid $4.35 on Tuesday for premium at a Sacramento-area station... same station is now $4.75 today (Thursday).
Boy you guys are making Terhan look good by comparison.
You know, sane people left California a long time ago. What's your excuse for still living in such a fucked up place? (No offense, maybe youre governor).
The problem is those "sane" cali sheeple who left, moved to AZ, NM, TX and ruined those fine places.
That or make your own biodiesel and drive an electric car like we do, and don't sweat this shit for a minute!! Oh and too all the haters, I still drive my BMW 745 once a month and my Chevy truck once a week for work, so I do spend about $50 a month on gas, so don't worry I'm not given up a fucking thing in the ego department, to NOT spend money every day on gas!!
We love our electric car and our biodiesel Mercedes, and now all the neighbors are asking all kinds of questions as there gas bills skyrocket out here in CA, when six months ago they were chuckling!! We also grow a majority of our own food too, so between the skyrocketing fuel and food prices out here in CA, I'm the only one in town that's still chuckling!!
And BTW I'm no fucking liberal! I'm just self sufficient, entrepreneural, and getting my ass prepared for what's coming!!
Why is there a link between your ego and the car you drive? It's just a different type of vehicle to get around in. A link like that sounds like "keeping up with the Jones'".
No....make sure you have a locking gas cap.
Another bullish sign for oil :
Report: Turkey Demands US Impose No Fly Zone Over Syria -
Turkeys are just pissed off they can't fly to begin with.
LOL!
http://youtu.be/ST01bZJPuE0
Sorry to be the one to break this to ya, RP, but Turkey's fly just fine...
All part of the plan. Did I say it was a good plan? I don't recall. But it's Governor Perry's poll numbers that are causing this I believe...
Good.
Californians can walk for all I care, it's a state full of retards that I wish would just slide into the ocean. I wouldn't shed 1 tear.
Another reason taxes are great
http://www.api.org/Oil-and-Natural-Gas-Overview/Industry-Economics/~/med...
If you live in a red state in the above map your fellow neighbors are voting the wrong way.
We cannot let California slide into the ocean: what state will make IPA beer for us then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGdoqsuiN8
I make a killer Citra IPA in Penna.
Damn, are you really drinking isopropyl alcohol (IPA), also commonly known as "rubbing alcohol"?
I guess some people will do ANYTHING for a buzz.
India Pale Ale.
Really?
Beer from India?
Sounds rather esoteric --- but then, I am not a beer drinker. Never could develop a taste for the bizarre bitter stuff. Now homemade hard cider, on the other hand --- THERE is a good drink! Sadly, I no longer live in a state with apple orchards all around me, as I used to.
It was hoppy so as to "weather" the journey by sailing ship from Britain to India.....
I have always wondered why, of ALL the plants that could POSSIBLY have been used to flavor beer, those vile bitter hops were chosen over everything (and anything!) else. I think it is the nasty flavor of hops, more than anything else, that ruin beer for me.
(That, and the inability to belch after drinking a grossly overcarbonated beverage.)
Slaughterer's right, y'know. Lose Cali, and you've lost yourself a bunch of excellent IPA. Only beer-loving Californians know the extent of how blessed we are with some of the best microbreweries ever. Of course, brewing your own is always righteous. Prices for ingredients have shot up like crazy though... it used to cost $10 - $15 to brew a batch. It's like $50 now!
Unless we can relocate
Stone Brewery
Coronado Brewery
Hoppy Face Brewery
et.al.
to, say, another state,
California has to stay on this planet.
Plus the surfer chicks north of SD are pretty nice to party with.
There's some decent distilleries as well. And the wine is pretty f'n good too.
Maybe they could just annex San Francisco and Sacramento to China, that way we'd only lose Anchor Steam.
The Chinese can take away Anchor Steam, but not Hoppy Face (San Fran). All the San Diego microbreweries must remain in the USA> NO exceptions.
What Cal. rock bands do we rescue?
We let "Tool" survive, but maybe toss "Stone Temple Pilots"
Hey how about bringing back "Eddie sound Money" then we can all play.
STP is from San Diego, so they can stay. Maynard already retired to Arizona to make wine.
I kinda like Slightly Stoopid, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers can still get it done.
I lived in San Diego for over three years. Loved it, but when it was time to go, it was time to go. California is not my kind of place, but I'd love to visit.
And you're right about SoCal beers. Damn good, except I never really liked Anchor Steam.
Anchor's my favorite brewery. The steam beer is an acquired taste... they do have several other excellent beers, you know. Brekle's Brown is an excellent brown. I urge you to go visit the brewery - it's true to the core spirit of brewing. Real people making real beer there... no bullshit, no snobbery, no facades.
The Deftones are the best band to come out of California in the past 20 years.
I'd say Slough Feg is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVIIIoDwVu0
They rock too but I get tired of the stoner rock. I just don't think it stacks up against albums like Adrenaline and Around the Fur. Funny I'm a skater too, where you from, I used to live in the south bay for 14 years?!
Been in the South Bay for a long while meself - Cupertino area. Some of the best skateparks propped up here in the last decade.
I was stunned by an Anchor beer; couldn't get the taste of copper out of my mouth for long hours after.
Fukashima MOX Steam Beer - coming soon to the West Coast. F Yeah!
24 lbs grain ~$10-$12 / 1 lbs hops ~$8-$18 / Yeast $8 / Propane ~$8 / Misc. $5 *prices all assume bulk purchases
My last IPA looked like that and I got 10 gallons of 7.7% abv / 102.7 IBU beer.
Repitching on yeast cake saves you the $8 every time...
The time committment is around 7 hours per 10 gallons.
+1 What type of yeast you using? For me, the yeast makes it or breaks it.
Prefer WLP001 for IPAs, although WLP008 disappears quite well, which makes for good IPA. White Labs also makes 090 which is a super strain, good for high test beers.
Up here in WA state - hops grows really wonderfully! We've got two vines in the yard that produce more than I can use. Malt is bit tougher to do yourself, so we're kinda stuck there. Barleywines are my fav. Yum!
beer is one of the oldest currencies
True! I actually barter with some of my beer-making neighbors - Hops for finished brew. Now that's a winning deal for all involved.
don't tell the bernak
he'll start brewing beer..
Oregon.
No more Kalifornians in Oregon PLEASE. Just had more of them move in near me. They were walking by and started complaining about all the hunters killing deer as deer season just started.
I said, "Like the one over there hanging off my kids playset, that I just skinned?"
Save the deer...hunt the Kalifornians
(reminds me of an old Bloom County comic strip from the '80s where the kid with glasses went hunting with Grandpa...who was hunting liberals and using his "liberal call" whistle that emitted cries of "gun control, welfare, no nukes" and then a Welcome-Back Kotter looking liberal popped out of a bush echoing "no nukes, no nukes!" and then yelled "socialized medicine!" after Grandpa fired the gun)
I like deer and bears better than Kalifornicating libturtds.
OR is a gorgeous state if the F CA transplants would all go Hale Bopp and off themselves.
I think they talked about O police state and his UN buddies. PA has about 1.1 million hunters - most with scoped rifles. PA, NY, MI, TX and WS (?) - I think have about 5.5 million hunters. FL and GA have about 1.6 million CCWs. Hey UN - bring it!
Yeah, I don't want any more Kalifornia Kommies up here either. I was just mentioning that there are some damn fine breweries in Oregon. Like Bridgeport, Deschutes, Mactarnahan's, Full Sail, and Widmer. Here in WA, we have Dick's (don't laugh), Pike, Pyramid (not as good as when they were in Kalama, IMO), Redhook. Not to mention you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a little brewpub, even in towns as small as 10,000 pop.
Kalifornia can slide off into the Pacific, we'll still have good beer.
Two of the best IPAs I've ever had. Come on up here to Oregun, most Kalifornians do anyways.
http://www.bridgeportbrew.com/drink#?cb=india-pale-ale
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5316/942
Plus it hasn't rained here in Portland since June...seriously not a single raindrop since June. Portland appears to be taking on what used to be Ashlands weather...500 miles to the south. Always like Ashland and nice it came to me.
seattle's breaking dry records too
Anything by Bridgeport, or Deschutes, is fantastic. If you care to venture up to Victoria, BC some time, anything that comes from Phillips Brewery (I recommend the Slipstream Cream Ale) is brilliant.
Your leftist president can make you beer out of the whitehouse
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Dangit Redpill beat me to it.
that's so far from the fucking truth it's not even amusing.
but don't let me keep you from your vitriolic rant, bikini avatar guy.