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Hostilities Between Turkey And Syria Resume As Two Countries Exchange Fire

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It seems like it was only yesterday that crude plunged ahead of the first presidential debate as the escalation between Turkey and Syria hit a fever pitch, with Syria supposedly firing shell into Turkey and Turkey relatiating promptly, as it concurrently summoned NATO and demanded an Article 4 redress while passing a bill allowing its military to conduct cross-border operations in Syria, essentially giving itself a carte blanche to invade Syria without declaring outright war. Today, 48 hours later, Turkey may just get the opportunity to execute on this brand new law.

Reuters reports that "the Turkish military returned fire after a mortar bomb fired from Syria landed in countryside in southern Turkey, the state-run Anatolian news agency reported the governor of Hatay province as saying on Friday. Turkish artillery bombarded Syrian military targets on Wednesday and Thursday in response to shelling by Syrian forces that killed five Turkish civilians further east along the border." Ignore that the official plotline said that Syria "apologized" for its offense, even as "an online video purporting to be from Jabhat al-Nusra, a jihadist group accused of ties to al-Qaeda, claimed responsibility."

So which is it: Syria or Al Qaeda doing everything in its power to incite the full fury of a NATO retaliation which would certainly level Damascus in one campaign, something Syria knows too well. Something which Al Qaeda certainly knows too well, as it knows that all that the developed world needs is an excuse for war, preferably one which is framed as self-defense. Finally, one wonders: just who is funding Al Qaeda these days, a question needing further exploration if this headline from two weeks ago, "Turkish Airline Flying Al-Qaeda from Pakistan to Syrian Borders", before any of the recent escalation, proves true.

In other words, is Turkey flying in the same people who are taking responsibility for launching attacks into its own territory, and why?

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Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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WWIII - priced in!

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment monkeyboy
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Long drumsticks!

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment redpill
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Calling all archdukes, calling all archdukes, please report to the Turkey/Syria border for an ice cream social.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Dalago
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Why?  We'll lets into Iranian oil and banking systems; Virgins to the Rothschilds AIDS.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:17 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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She is no Archduke, but Angela is heading to Greece for the first time since the PIIGS crisis was needed to kill the Euro in order to prop the USD/PETROL DOLLER.*

Reuters' transitory rumor/gift for the EUR bulls...

"This is symbolically very important. It points clearly to the fact that Merkel is not going to drop Greece, even though things are not going well there," said Carsten Brzeski, senior European economist at ING bank.

 

Merkel has been vilified in some Greek media as dictating devastating austerity to Greece. One newspaper dressed her in a Nazi uniform on its cover. Germany's popular press meanwhile has systematically depicted the Greeks as work-shy tax cheats.

 

I forsee a warm reception by the Greek debt slaves for their Meisterkraut.

 

*Tim Geithner~Supra Genius

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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please report to the Turkey/Syria border for an ice cream social.

It's clear that someone is reporting to the Turkey/Syria border for something.

I was curious about the border town of Akcakale (the Turkish town at the center of this controversy), so I was nosing around on google's satellite view of the area. Akcakale is across the border from Tel Abyad, one of seven border crossings between Turkey and Syria. Tel Abyad was captured by Syrian "rebels" on September 19 and is the third such crossing under "rebel" control.

What I found on the google satellite view is interesting. The first link below is a view of some sort of staging area in Tel Abyad for truck traffic. It is filled with trucks and, if you zoom in close enough, you can tell by their orientation that these trucks are arrivals from Turkey.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=36.704,38.958&spn=0.005,0.005&t=h&q=36.70...

The next link is a view of the road in Turkey which leads to the staging area in Tel Abyad, and is just north of the view in the link above. Specifically, it is the end of an apparent queue of trucks waiting to enter Syria. This line is at least half a mile long (about 1 km), and if you follow the road they're on about 300m to the north you'll spot a truck park filled with trucks.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=36.715,38.955&spn=0.002,0.002&t=h&q=36.71...

I don't know how recent these photos are, but if they're from within the last couple of weeks, then those trucks are likely filled with armaments and ammunition, also known as US humanitarian aid to the "rebels".

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Cortez the Killer
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Muslims killing muslims

doesnt get any better than that

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:11 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Sure it does. For example, you could have Zionists killing Zionists.

The best thing, though, would be to airdrop all of the warmongering politicians, especially the wargirl triad of senators McCain, Graham, and Lieberman, along with Gertrude Himmelfarb Jr (William Kristol), Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, and the rest of the neocons into any of the violent war zones they've created so they can finish what they started.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment akak
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How do I give you 10,000 green arrows?

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment Cortez the Killer
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armed or unarmed?

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment akak
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Armed, but only with knives --- I would want to see them bleed, and I would want to see them suffer, and I would want their suffering to be as prolonged and agonizing as possible.  And even then, their suffering would not even begin to atone for their monstrous crimes against humanity.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Ima anal sphincter
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How do I give YOU 10,000 green arrows?

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 01:24 | Link to Comment awakening
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Happy Hunger Games!

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment HungryPorkChop
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Yep, let the politicans lead the charge for once!

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 02:42 | Link to Comment Element
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I don't think we can read too much into a large dedicated truck stand beside a border-crossing.  The trucks appear to be of a similar make and color indicating a fleet of transport company vehicles.  Manifests, weights and contents need to be checked at borders and you need a place to do it, in an orderly process, and there appears to be a large multi-story admin building in the middle of the first link.  With the border closed, you'd need to recall and park the trucks somewhere handy, otherwise they'd be stuck in Turkey for the duration.  If their normal function is cross-border transport (which obviously it is) then parking the trucks at a Govt border truck-stop meant for that purpose doesn't seem so out of the ordinary.  Having the fleet recalled from Turkey would explain their orientations and likely arrival direction.

In the event of a serious border conflict the govt would also likely commandeer such a fleet, so having them near the border, makes sense for logistics support options, or else to enable a tactical fighting-withdrawal from an advancing ground force.  But you might want to disperse them a bit in that case as a flight of helicopters with chainguns would clean them up in minutes.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 07:51 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Element said:

I don't think we can read too much into a large dedicated truck stand beside a border-crossing.

[followed by a rational explanation of cross-border transport logistics involving trucking fleets.]

Thanks for the thoughtful and insightful response. When I saw the concentrations of trucks and the half-mile line-up waiting to enter Syria, I didn't know what to make of it. As I'm not all that knowledgeable regarding cross-border shipping operations, I wasn't sure if what I saw was suspicious or routine.

Application of Occam's Razor leaves your analysis intact. I appreciate your taking the time to detail what you saw.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:51 | Link to Comment lemonobrien
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this sucks; this war will go nuclear and kill most of us. fucking assholes.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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If  Syria and Iran do the right strategic thing {at this stage} and mass to invade Israel itself to take the fight to them, and if there's an old school conventional war at Megeddo that then goes nuclear...  well, heh heh, I'll have to apologize to all those Christian Zionists which I have heretofore regarded as Likudnik Israel's Useful {5th Column} idiots.

 

 

I wouldnt; want to be in NYC when the shit hits the fan.  Those folks will be discovering the pleasures of cannibalism within 2 months of gas hitting $10 p/g.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment imbrbing
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And if Israel gets nuked off the map then the "christians" have some splainen to do. How would that do for a faith killer in their percieved idea of what God supposedly told them was going to happen.

100's of millions of "christians" with no more leg to stand on after that.

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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Everyone is insane:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/09/mans-seasonal-insanity.html

Our world is literally possessed.

Christ....the real one that is....is the cure.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Spirit of Truth said:

Christ....the real one that is....is the cure.

By the real one, do you mean the real real one or are you referring to yourself again?

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment john39
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i think he means the talmudic fake aka the antichrist.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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Well, apparently Netanyahu has been tasked with bringing this Talmudic Messiah.

And since they need to "rebuild" the 'Third' {i.e. Second - and Herod wasn't a Judean} to bring Moshiach... not really to bring peace and justice but to help the Jews control the world... expect more violence and rioting there.

 

 

It's just about all horeshit of course.  The chaos magicians are right - belief is a tool.

 

 

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/0160Solomon.php

 

Judaism Solomon and his Temple

Abstract The idea of a major state, let alone an empire, centred on Jerusalem in the tenth century BC has been increasingly disputed in recent years. There was quite obviously a tenth century BC, but what no one has yet been able to prove is that any emperors called David and Solomon lived in it. Crypto-national states did not emerge in the Levant until the ninth century BC, and no evidence of one has been found in the ground of Jerusalem. So-called Solomonic strata dated to the tenth century BC should be down dated to the first half of the ninth century BC and associated with the Omride Dynasty of the Northern Kingdom. Almost nothing in the way of tablets or inscriptions have been found from the glorious time of David and Solomon. No evidence exists of a literary tradition in tenth century BC Palestine.

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/0160Solomon.php

 

It's just black magick, folks.

 

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 20:36 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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By the real one, do you mean the real real one or are you referring to yourself again?

I believe so: http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/04/ive-been-nailed.html

And the first step toward man's cure is accepting that he has a problem.

Man is suffering from collective insanity: http://www.spiritoftruth.org/Thesis/Intro

The problem is that this world literally is demon possessed: http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/10/russian-leaders-question-of...

I'm here to rid this world of its demons: http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/04/i-think-youre-crazy.html

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 22:26 | Link to Comment merizobeach
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You are a pompous piece of shit, and shut the fuck up with your disgusting religious bullshit, asshole.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 01:30 | Link to Comment awakening
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I shall not be a slave in any new world order; be it under the whims of a dictatorship (be the name Rothschild or otherwise) or pure fantasies of a bedtime story book like that of your own 'bible' (from the lie that is Israel).

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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Well, you're insane. 

I suggest you spend some time with Brother Nat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP689V3TLdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9d9b-v6T5A

 

Then become familiar with the CNI

 

http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

 

You know they're on the right track because of what the ADL claims about them:

http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Israel/cni.htm

 

Why wouldn't any sensible, honest, moral person condemn and indeed be proudly "anti-Israel"?

Here is a very eloquent spech on the matter by a Jewish British Lord.

 

Here's Righteous Hebrew Norman Finkelstein, son of Holocaust victims, smacking down a Zionist Troll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B59sXRP8OMY

 

The whole trick of the matter is that the God of the Old Testament is what you'd refer to as Lucifer.

For me, it is Loki -

Put aside the pseudo-Judeo/Aramaic myths and Ashkenazi mythohistory, and study Loki, and understand that what has been called 'God' and 'Church' and 'Chosen' is nothing but greed, trickery, hate, deceit, war, and murder, and pharasaic morality.

 

Or forget all this, and just smoke some weed and get some decent head before the fucking zombies come.

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Jethro
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If Jerusalem gets nuked, then I reckon Mecca, Medina, Tehran, Damascus, Cairo, Homs, Aleppo, Gaza, and Beirut all stand a chance of getting high-velocity, radioactive isotopic upgrades as well.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment drivenZ
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are you kidding me? nobody is on Syria or Iran's side in this whole thing. Turkey has a massive military. It wouldn't be a fight at all. 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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Syria or Iran's side?

 

Which side is that?

 

The one that resists Mossad/CIA destabilization efforts, private central banking, and the petrodollar?

 

Or do you mean those resisting megalomaniacal, Likudnik Zionism?

 

THE JEWISH SELF-CONCEPTION OF INTELLECTUAL, MORAL, AND SPIRITUAL SUPERIORITY

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment drivenZ
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both

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:47 | Link to Comment HungryPorkChop
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You mean no one is on Iran's side except for possibly Russia, China and North Korea. 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Arthur Borges
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Iran is 78.8 million people, of which 20 to 23 million are males of military age. The regular army and navy add up to just over 1 million. To that you have to add the Basij consisting of 90,000 on active duty, 300,000 reservists and another 11 million available for call-up. In wartime, the Basij falls under command of the Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) and its estimated 120,000 members. Within the IRGC there are 5,000 special operations troops.

For purposes of comparison Iraq was 27 million in earliest 2003 and Libya was about 5 million in late 2011.

In 2006, there were 130,000 US troops in two of Iran's neighbours; while these forces are poised to launch considerable devastation, they also make handy targets.

Between the Syrian Kurds now left free to raid Turkey, the official stand-off with Damascus and massive anti-war protests inside Turkey, Prime Minister has his hands full without needling Iran. Moreover, if NATO has backed Turkey's stance against Syria, EU/NATO member governments are all facing austerity measures that are already triggering serious grassroots hostility; NATO invasion of Syria could only exacerbate that hostility.

In addition, Turkey currently imports about half its oil from Iran; the alternative would be to import from Iraq but that would ony strengthen the hand of Kurdish separatists already shooting at Turkish servicemen.

As for Iran, 120 of the UN's 195 members attended the last NAM Conference in Tehran -- including the UN Secretary General and and about 50 heads of state/government or other high-level reprsentatives. True, not all were "staunch supporters" of the Government of Iran, but it's hard to label Iran as "isolated" when a majority of the real International Community shows up for your show.

 

 

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 06:09 | Link to Comment Element
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Some really good points there.  The west has a real problem now as it's facing a possible great-war but as with Russia during WWI and in 1917;

 

(1) There's no clear path or likelihood of a clean military victory. 

 

(2) There is however a very real chance of mass civil insurrection and revolution during such a war.

Hence the sprouting of prefabricated concentration camps plus the Presidential decrees that amount to a US national mobilisation for War (I can't see it being anything short of that). and the 'police-state' aspects of all those directives and orders seem to me to be the steps needed for dealing with the reality of a likely mass civil revolt, during such a war. 

 

(3) Historical analysis of warfare shows that wars that 'end' with no clearly identified winner lead on to much bloodier wars that follow soon after. 

 

So if there's a great-war there needs to be a unified great struggle and 'victory' of a solitary greater power left standing, and there is no real chance of that 'heroic' stuff happening this time around, nor for a clean triumph over the baddies.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 04:09 | Link to Comment Element
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Turkey has a large military because it is beset on every side by countries and non-state groups that don't like it so much.

Greece
Russia
Iran
Iraq
Syria
Separatist Kurds
Hezbollah - which is closely aligned with and reliant on Iran and Syria

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Turkey can hardly concentrate their forces on Syria to the exclusion of other threats, when Iran and Russia (plus Shia elements in Iraq) are in stated support of Damascus.  Turkey does not have a free-hand here and that is why it relies on NATO to back it up.

And if NATO has any sense, and wants both a secure oil supply and a secure LNG supply, at a low price (which they still increasingly can't afford) then they won't back Turkey in combat due to a few mere mortar rounds, of unknown and disputed origin (clearly from someone promoting direct NATO intervention ... now who could that be? ...). 

Turkey has already stated that it is demanding and working towards the overthrow of Asad, so Turkey deserves whatever comes from publicly stating that aim (on NATOs behalf ... lol!!), and Ankara can hardly cry that they're some innocent third party in any of this stuff when they're clearly an active promoter and supporter of a violent brutal insurgency within Syria.

Incorporating Turkey into NATO has always presented a terrible risk for Western European states, and now we see very clearly why why.  Turkey is a militaristic belligerent state. So are Norway, Spain and Greece going to send thier armies to fight Syria, in Southern Turkey?  Not bloody likely! 

So you get serious instant NATO schism, indecision and a general lack of commitment.

Turkey is a part of NATO simply to secure the strategic security of Central Europe, it is not part of NATO so that NATO armies can be available to back up the rash words, policies and tactical actions of a non-secular govt in Ankara, or to get involved in cross-border disputes, in which Turkey has been a serial aggressor for decades. 

But if someone dares fire across Turkey's border, then the sky is falling, so better call Paris and London and start WWIII? 

Piss off!

If Ankara doesn't realise this reality, then someone had better tell them that Turkey is going to be on its own, if push comes to shove with Syria, Russia and Iran, in such a stupid and needless way.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Eff
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'bout time. To end the misery and extinguish the plague.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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When does Israel step in to make it a cluster-fck?

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment john39
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that has being going on for decades already... how do you think we arrived at this point?

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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I heard Netanyahu blamed Obama's debate performance on Iranian terrorists

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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As soon as it can find someone (cough...cough) to step in for it.

ori

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 21:41 | Link to Comment Arthur Borges
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Yes, well Israel has said that, if push came to shove, it would strike out at eveyone with everything it has, i.e. the so-called "Sam(p)son Option" and Iran has said it would be retaliating against Israel and any US military assets in range. Meanwhile PM Erdogan has wrenched authorization from his legislature to send troops into Syria, which is an act of war but the man insists he doesn't want a war.

I do wish someone would grab these leaders by the scruff of their neck, take away their toys and send them to bed with a good spanking and no supper.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment merizobeach
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"I do wish..."

I think I understand your sentiment, but unless by "a good spanking" you mean a bullet in the head, then nothing will change.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Stackers
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Next thing you know phantam Vietnamese gun boats will be making torpedo runs on Turkish navy boats and Panetta will get to say oops, it really did happen 40 years later.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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It certainly is a very interesting turn of events.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Another made up war for made up reasons.

"War is a racket." -- Smedley Butler

Love this clip (it's ALL related).  Kind of how I imagine Hitler in '39: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCw-oWp1wf8

sarc/off

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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Broken windows for everyone!

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment VonManstein
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Webster Tarpley has the best understanding of geopolotics today. He is a true intellect and all should listen to him.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment lemonobrien
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i listen to him. i don't think he is all that.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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/sarc!

 

Webster Tarpley is the Bobby Valentine of the so-called truth movement.

 

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 19:03 | Link to Comment joe90
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He used to post here as Geopol I still follow what he has to say but after he freely travelled to both Lybia and Syria I concluded disinformation along with the daily bell and this book http://www.amazon.com/Gideons-Spies-Secret-History-Mossad/dp/B002YNS0TY/... which I bought after someone here recommended it.  I recommend "none dare call it conspiracy".   Interesting because it was written so long ago.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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"the Turkish military returned fire after a mortar bomb fired from Syria landed in countryside in southern Turkey".  Very careful reporting by Reuters.  No allegation that the mortar was fired "by Syria".  Just that it was fired "from Syria".  I wonder whether it was fired "by Syria".

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:33 | Link to Comment john39
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don't have to wonder too much.  pretty safe to assume that Syria does not want a war with Turkey and NATO.  not hard to figure out that NATO has been looking for excuse to attack syria and Iran for months now...   so this is the crude and obvious plan.  most idiots probably won't even think about basic logical flaws in this story, and the psychopaths depend on that fact.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:44 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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And, as Tyler noted, Turkey has apparently been flying in "jihadists" from Pakistan who now seem to be taking responsibility for the attacks on Turkey.  It is clear that not all is above board here, but it is not clear what Turkey's real motivation is.  Get the director on the set, please.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment john39
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be careful not to confuse Turkey's national interest with the interests of the globalist zionist psychopaths controlling Turkey's actions....

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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Perhaps they happen to align just at this moment?

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment john39
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the turkish people want hundreds of thousands of people dead, Syrian, Turkish and who knows where else just so globalist garbage can dethrone a dictator that stands in their way? sorry, don't see it.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:15 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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+1  Sledgehammer is a good evidence of how much anti-tyrannical thinking is spread in Turkey.

 

People, and most in Turkey are muslims, are getting tired of being ruled by Zionist waterboys that want to draw their country in a war with another muslim country without any fcking reason and also acts as an aggressor (Syria didn't "reciprocate" yesterday's & today's shelling, doesn't want a war with Turkey ). Gonna be a fun civil war soon...

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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Yep.

 

Erdogan will begin walking this back.  They haven't been able to beat the Kurds in SE Turkey in 20 years.

If they begin pummelling Syria's Kurds, expect lots of help from Iraqi Kurdistan and Iran.

 

But chaos in and around Israel, keeping the Mooslims divided and occupied, is bad for pipelines, but good for Israel's ability to annex the OPT and cook up a pretext to reinvade Lebanon {and Sinai?} without fearing too much in terms of support coming from Syria and Iran.

 

Multiple threads in all this - but expansionist Zionism and the petrodollar/international central banking are, along with war profiteers, the usual suspects.

 

Syria is likely about Iran {removing military response to an attack on Iran from Syria} and LEbanon {making it harder to supply Hez. which, with lots of support, were able to thwart Israel's last invasion}.

 

The Zionists want to invade and annex Lebanon and the largely Zionist-controlled press will, as always, make it out to be a defensive offense.

There may be a oil pipeline element too - preventing an Iraq/Iran to Syria and the mediterannean oil pipeline.  A Pipeline through afghanistan to china and india isn't feasible.

 

I suspect that pipelines through Israel and/or turkey have something to do with it

http://whatreallyhappened.wikia.com/wiki/Oil_for_Israel

Actually hard to get to the bottom of the pipeline stuff - probably because there are lots of factions. 

 

What's for sure is that the people benefitting from the war and destruction and debt have little in common with 99% of people from any and all walks of life.

 

Destroying the power of the Fed and the ECB and finding new energy technology is vital to avoiding a catastrophic global war.

 

If I were Iran - I'd just start firing all their conventional missiles at Israel.  I don't know what they're waiting for - war is already upon them, and the longer they take in recognizing it, the more they will go out with a whimper.

The press is controlled, congress is bought - there is no hope for stopping this war.

 

But sometimes the best defense is a good offense, brethren.

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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There is one plausible theory that would have the mortar being fired "by Syria".  The theory goes that Syria would try to draw Iran and Russia in on it's side by getting Turkey involved.  To me that theory fails because I don't think Turkey would engage without some other motive to do so.  I think Turkey is purposefully engaged under pretense for one or more of the following purposes:

1.  Rooting out Kurds in northern Syria.

2.  Strategic alliance with Israel and China.

3.  Water hegemony.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Panafrican Funk...
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The issue for Turkey is that they are being forced to choose sides in the Great Game, again.  They're going with Britain over Russia this round, which is pretty standard for them.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game

The idea that they just sit this one out is unfortunately not an available option for them.  

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:37 | Link to Comment Element
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You are talking complete crap on several levels.

 

1.  Kicking Kurds out of Northern Syria is like kicking the Palestinians out of Palestine, and likely to have the same results.

2.  Turkey has a lengthy alliance with the US and is a European NATO partner and there is zero chance of any Chinese alliance, and they are in open and serious diplomatic disagreement about a certain maritime incident of Israelis killing Turks in international waters on an aid convoy, which lead to a complete cessation of military ties with Israel, by Turkey.

3. Try to take everyone's water and see how long before one of the thus dominated seeds cities with biologicals in retaliation and to force such water domination to cease.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment El Viejo
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In this book(I think):     Nor Any Drop to Drink" by William Ashworth

Turkey shut off the water supply valve to Syria because they were supporting the Kurds against Turkey. Syria backed down and the water valve was reopened.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Element
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Are you aware that both Russia and China have threatened to use their armed forces, up to and including nuclear weapons, if the West (that would incluude NATO member Turkey) intervenes in Syria ... or Iran? 

A 'valve' at a hydro dam is no obstacle for Russia to eliminate that sort of behavior.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 01:02 | Link to Comment BigInJapan
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No more dam - no more valve, and water runs to the sea.

Not much to think about, there.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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Re #2:

from Wikipedia

Later in November, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu toured China for six days and met with his counterpart Yang Jiechi, after Chinese premier Wen Jiabao visited Turkey and upgraded the China–Turkey relationship to a "strategic partnership". Among the joint pledges the foreign ministers made in China were to start a Turkish industrial zone in Xinjiang[19] and to jointly crack down on separatism and terrorism, including on anti-China separatist activities in Turkey.[20] Commentators have cited these stronger ties as further proof of a realignment of Turkish foreign policy to the "East".

from Hurriyet

"I do not think that relations will deteriorate because there are fundamental reasons why Turkey and Israel have the same interests. Both are democratic states and influence the region in becoming a democratic one," Zvi Elpeleg, former Israeli ambassador to Turkey told Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review in a telephone interview yesterday.

Not hard evidence of anything, but, for what it's worth....  Objectively, I can understand why Turkey would want an alliance with both.  Israel and China certainly have a close relationship.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment El Viejo
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I play both ends against the middle sometimes too.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Element
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You used the words "strategic alliance", and the current situation is a very long way from that, with either.

China does have an actual Strategic Alliance with Russia though.

Have you considered this reality?  Because it has some bearing on allegiances, and Turkey, a NATO member, is very much not a significant priority with regard to that relationship's prevailing and likely long-term significance for China and Russia's desire to counter NATO expansionism.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 21:48 | Link to Comment Arthur Borges
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A few mortar rounds? One incident? It doesn't really matter who fired the rounds. What matters is that Ankara is making an issue of it.

A few years ago, a squad of Swiss Army soldiers wandered over into Liechtenstein, causing some consternation among the locals. The next day, a few page-one headlines read "Switzerland Invades Liechtenstein", took due note of the hasty Swiss retreat, everybody had a good laugh and that was the end of it.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment SilverDoctors
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so WWIII is breaking out and yet gold and silver are down hard on phony NFP data?  The cartel dumped 50 million ounces of silver on the market in 5 minutes this morning!http://www.silverdoctors.com/cartel-dumps-1-5-x-us-annual-silver-product...

Unbelievable. 
Time to BTFD on oil, gold, and silver.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment knukles
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It's a phony war, too.

Oh, it's real.  Just phony.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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It's not WWIII.  It's a Syria end-game.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Mountainview
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Isn't this Kurdish territory??? Turkey would like to control...

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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To me, that's one possible motive for Turkey to be engaged.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBoner_
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"The cartel dumped 50 million ounces of paper silver"

There - fixed it for ya :O)

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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Doc,

It's got to be getting close to the time where silver/gold/oil are not merely 'risk-on' assets (i.e., those limited to, on about 90% of days, going up only when mkt. in general goes up). Mondays have been bad days for metals and market in general, though. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on PSLV or maybe PALL or PPLT.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment imbrbing
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I hope they dump ALL  their paper silver, drive the price to 8$ again, Ill buy more. Then when the paper crap burns in the fire coming....WALLA!

Silver gets more pure when "burned", paper, not so much.

 

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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awesome way of putting it, imbrbing.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:53 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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Apparently they did it twice today.  Also right around 1330 or so.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Oil should probably sell even lower on this news in bizzarro world.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Oxygen
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Iran currency plunge this week (some people argue CIA is printing money and flooding Iran currency system)
3 US aircraft carrier near IRAN
New moon on october 15

 More sanctions on Iran being prepared in Europe
 New steps expected by Oct. 15
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/05/eu-iran-sanctions-trade-idUSL6E8L2ODY20121005?type=marketsNews

Is it time to declar war?

 

 

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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That would be a clever gambit for the CIA.  Therefore, it can't be true.  QED.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Those with power and wealth generally seek to get someone else to fight their wars for them. (whether it's rich US persons draft dogding or the Mi6 division of BP convincing the CIA that the Red Commies wanted the Iranian precious, or a few years later when some rich people from United Fruit, the American, Manati & Fansisco Sugar companies, ITT, Chase Manhattan or Texaco convinced the CIA the outfit a bunch Cubans trying to overthrow the Cuban government...)

War only gets declared if and when the spooks & diplomats fail...

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:33 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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why?

Because war is good business.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment PaperBear
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" Syria supposedly firing shell into Turkey" - that should read supposedly Syria firing shell into Turkey.

Just saying.

And just saying that this is a false flag.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment PUD
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The Butter Battle
by Dr. Seuss

On the last day of summer,
ten hours before fall . . .

. . . my grandfather took me
out to the Wall.

For a while he stood silent.
Then finally he said,
with a very bad shake
of his very old head,
"As you know, on this side of the Wall
we are Yooks.
On the far other side of this Wall
live the Zooks."

Then my grandfather said,
"It's high time that you knew
of the terribly horrible thing that Zooks do.
In every Zook house and in every Zook town
every Zook eats his bread
with the butter side down!"

"But we Yooks, as you know,
when we breakfast or sup,
spread our bread," Grandpa said,
"with the butter side up.
That's the right, honest way!"
Grandpa gritted his teeth.
"So you can't trust a Zook who spreads bread underneath!
Every Zook must be watched!
He has kinks in his soul!
That's why, as a youth, I made watching my goal,
watching Zooks for the Zook-Watching Border Patrol!

In those days, of course,
the Wall wasn't so high
and I could look any Zook 
Square in the eye.

If he dared to come close
I could give him a twitch
with my tough-tufted
prickely Snick-Berry Switch.

For a while that worked fine.
All the Zooks stayed away
and our country was safe.
Then one terrible day
a very rude Zook by the name of VanItch
snuck up and slingshotted my Snick-Berry Switch!

With my broken-off switch, with my head hung in shame,
to the Chief Yookerooo in great sorrow I came.
But our Leader just smiled. He said, "You're not to blame.
And those Zooks will be sorry they started this game.

"We'll dress you right up in a fancier suit!
We'll give you a fancier slingshot to shoot!"
And he ordered the Boys in the Back Room to figger
how to build me some sort of a triple-sling jigger.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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Except here... the Syrians are fighting a mostly foreign jihadi Islamist force funded and equipped by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the Mossad and the CIA, and Turkey has let the rebels operate out of southeastern Turkey.

Syria has ceded control, as a result of the foreign jihadi insurgency, of much of the north to the Kurds.  The Kurds are fighting Libyans and all sorts of Wahhabis in Syria, and likely beginning to coordinate with Kurds in Turkey.. who have fought the Turkish government for the past 30 years resulting in 25k deaths.

 

This is not the Arab Spring.  It's certainly not condusive to laying pipelines.  It's about money for the warmakers, debt for the banks, and Israeli regional hegemony. 

 

We are literally supporting 'Al Qaeda' in Syria because it's fighting Assad - despite the fact now Christians are being targetted and civilians being blown up by suicide bombers.  But - if Syria descends into chaos, it will be unable to provide a proxy counterpunch when Iran is attacked, and will also make it tougher for Syria or Iran to provide Hezbollah nect time the Israeli war machine bombs and invades Lebanon with hope of anenxing it for 'Eretz Israel.'

 

 

Not widely reported - a bunch of "settlers" marched into the Al Aqsa mosque, with Israeli security personnel.  Giant provocation - huge. 

 

Now, that gets no real coverage, whereas a fake film on youtube is covered ad nauseam.

 

Why do you think that is?

 

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Oxygen
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Ho I forget, and we have a depression crash economic at the same time

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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And NATO right now is in another emergency meeting... who knows if they'll finally invoke Article 5 or a no-fly zone.

Let's not forget : http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-increases-navy-force-in-mediterr...

Turkey increases navy force in Mediterranean

Turkey is reinforcing its position in the Mediterranean Sea following the escalation in tension along its border with Syria.

A number of warships and submarines have been sent to bases in the Mediterranean from the northwestern province of Gölcük where the main base of the Naval Forces is located. The ships were fully loaded with arms labeled "war load."

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Oh what a tangled web ...

War has always been fought through subtrefuge and proxies between great powers.

Fair play? Hah! A game of shadows and fire. Not to be trifled with by those aware, and inescapable by those who are not.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Well, the plot thickens! There has been plenty of talk lately of how deep the US and NATO support for al-Qaeda runs. The alliance began during the Afghan war against Soviet occupation. The West more or less made al-Qaeda at that time. These types of Muslim extremist forces operated in the Libyan war on the side of NATO. They are clearly allied with NATO in the SYrian civil war. The Syrians have captures foreign al-Qaeda in the war and there are plenty of reports that NATO is aiding Muslim radicals from across the middle east to get to their Turkish base camps for arms and training before crossing into Syria to fight that secular government.

Not that I see the Syrian government as any type of good guys. It is a very brutal government and they use severe violence to retain power. Still, that does not in any way change the fact that the USA and NATO appear to have formed a new strong alliance with al-Qaeda and a host of Muslim extremist groups to overthrow non-NATO friendly governments.

The blow back in Libya appears to have been on branch of extremists attacking the US agents who were organizing the transfer of Muslim extremists from Libya to Syria.  To be blunt, the US is using the extremist Muslims for their own purposes now, just like in the days of the Soviet / Afghan war. Blow back just means some of these radical Muslim groups hate the USA as much as the secular governments in the Mid East like Syria.

Turkey has base camps for foreign fighters where they can arm, rest and train before crossing over to fight against Assad's forces. Turkey makes no secret of this and plenty of media have documented this fact. That in and of itself is an act of war.

NATO would love for Syria and Turkey to exchange attacks and open the door to NATO air power to crush Syria and open the door to a new government in Syria with NATO ties. If Syria can be turned, this will relieve Israel of their northern front and leave Lebanon vulnerable to Israeli occupation of the south of that country. Israel need to eliminate Syria to make up for the now questionable Egyptian peace accords that the new Egyptian government have called into question. Not to mention a loss of Syria will hurt Iran badly too.

For NATO and Israel, to eliminate Syria as a non-friendly state is worth using any and all means, and that includes all the terrorist elements we can get on our side. Terrorism is relative, attack against US and NATO are dirty acts of terror. Attack against Syria or even Russia are acts of freedom fighters. It is all relative. Syria's days are numbered unless Russia and China really step up in support, but most likely they will not as they have proven to be cowards whenever NATO gets serious they back down and run away. Libya, Iraq and other places show this to be the case, at least for now.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The US doesn't have "strong alliances" it's foreign policy MO is that of whore and fair weather friend, and then it loudly wonders why it gets attacked with its own weapons.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Wait a minute. Isn't there a provision in NDAA 2012 specifically allowing for the detention of persons/organizations suspected of lending support to Al Qaeda? Where are the fuckin' arrests? Oh, they're our friends now, nevermind that they were fingered for the 9/11 attacks.

Fuck. Just how fuckin' stupid is the average sheeple?

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment Element
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Good comment Jack,

With regard to Russia;

In the Iraq case they were still too weak and recovering, and they had already been cooperating with the US and NATO, before, during and after Desert Storm, to defeat Iraqi defences that were using Russian hardware, like Radars and SAM homing sensors. It has taken then 20 years to regain their composure and this is their first real Strategic level challenge from NATO since the Cold War.

Remember also that they did not piss about in Georgia, and nor did they even use their best weapons and platforms during that war. They used a very limited subset of much older platforms, and mostly old iron bombs.  And they kicked arse with them.

With Libya Russia were bamboozled by a NATO ruse to expose Benghazi to attack, then stampede Russia and China into rubber-stamping a no-fly-zone.  They finally realised they were being completely setup, mostly by the UK and France, under US direction, with the BBC's and others repeated assertions that half a million people might be slaughtered if the UN proposal on the table was not immediately agreed to.

That will not work again, and the situation in Syria is the clear proof of that.  So the Russian intent to confront US/NATO insurgent behaviour is very different in this case, and that's why the US hasn't attacked with B2 bombers and Tomahawks so far.

Plus Iran has said any attack on Syria is equal to an attack on Iran, and both Iran and Hezbollah will attack Israel, US bases and Regional oil infrastructure, and close the Persian Gulf (and that will bring in China, and Russia has a Strategic alliance with China and Russia has said it will intervene).

This looks like a situation in which there is no overt direct move that can be made by the West against Syria, without very bad things happening to western forces soon after.

This doesn't mean Israel wouldn't love to kick all that off though.  I'm sure the idiot in the Knesset would love to mortar Turkey to get that outcome.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Yes, that was a good follow up comment. I am curious as to how willing Russia is to back Assad. At some point Russia will have to confront the NATO advances. They did draw a line in the sand over the Georgian attack on Ossetia. SOmehow Georgia thought Russia would stand by and let the attack unfold and allow the Ossetians to be driven out. In fact the Ossetians were flooding north to escape being killed when Russian tanks passed them headed into the war.

The one case in whicg Russia opened a can of woop ass on Georigan forces is when modern supersonic surface to surface missiles were used to destory an elite Georgian tank unit that was in the process of mounting up at it's base to move out and confront the Russian invasion force. The entire unit was basically destoryed at it's base by these missile strikes.

Russia knows it is inferior to NATO and USA airpower, so they have developed the surface to surface missile to perfection. These are meant to do the ground strikes that they feel their aircraft could not accomplish on the face of western fighters and anti aircraft missiles.

Russia also is deploying the S-400 mobile anti aircraft missile. Considered superior to the best most update Patriot Systems.

Syria is going to be a long story, and it remains to be seen how Russia reacts once NATO does finally go in. China is an even bigger question mark. If Syria falls, Iran is next.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 01:52 | Link to Comment Element
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"... Syria is going to be a long story, and it remains to be seen how Russia reacts once NATO does finally go in. China is an even bigger question mark. If Syria falls, Iran is next."

 

You seem fairly sure NATO will go in, but I think this is not at all so clear-cut.

The signs are of NATO wanting to get out of Afghanistan, fast, and the public are sick of these pretexts for further wars, especially more and bigger fronts, in a spiral escalation with Russia, and China, at the very least who would be ready to fight an intensifying proxy-war against the over extended broke-ass weakened NATO states. 

At the very least, I think Iran and Hezbollah are not at all bluffing about what they will do if NATO intervenes directly in Syria.  And if they do what they say they will do (and I think they will), then China and Russia will have to at a minimum, support a protracted Syrian counter-insurgency to eliminate any Western puppet out into Damascus (two can play that game, Washington, London and Paris seem to keep forgetting this can be undone again and lead to a much worse situation than before) and they will surely support Iran with military material, advice, data, intel and technology, and use them as a strategic proxy, to demolish the Western desire to fight such wars, and to cull our enabling economies in that process as as well.

China will do that because they need to convince the West to not attempt to cut off oil to Asia, via taking actions that forces Iran to close the Gulf, to bring this to a head and to an end, and thus force the West to back the fuck down.  Plus all this talk of NATO intervention in Syria, via Turkey, will certainly drive Iran go overtly nuclear, sooner than otherwise, to make all of these supposed 'options', out of the question. 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 19:56 | Link to Comment UnpatrioticHoarder
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China and Russia likely knew what NATO would do in Libya, they also knew they couldn't stop NATO escalating by means of its doctrine of pre-emptive "humanitarian" war. China and Russia had no viable proxies near Libya, Ghaddafi wasn't anyone's firm ally so why stick your neck out to save him, and it is in NATO's backyard. They let the no-fly resolution through so that they could later claim the moral high ground and lo and behold, they have it in spades with regard to Syria.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 01:29 | Link to Comment Element
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Yes, Russia and China were obviously no one's fool and could see what was happening in Libya as well as any other objective observers, but still, a lot of pressure was also applied to get them to not resist NATO's desired 'intervention' plans (which we now can see were in production 6 months before the 'riots' in Benghazi) and it could have hurt them within other situations, in the ME, and even domestically if not handled 'right'.

It's what NATO does that gives the game away, not what they say they do, or intended.  British SAS getting caught red-handed on the ground with explosives, just kilometers from and a few hours after the rebel's main weapon and ammo dump mysteriously exploded and burned to complete destruction, kind of gave the NATO game away.  The rebels in Benghazi then letting a Brit destroyer evacuate the SAS prisoners shows the rebel leadership were also in on the ruse, and were playing their part.  They all knew the destruction of the arms dump would cause Gadaffi to surge his ground forces toward Benghazi, and then they could play their MSM propaganda story of pending slaughter to force the Russians and Chinese to allow a NATO attack, under the guise of a humanitarian protection no-fly-zone pretext, which required the removal of all potential ground-to-air and surface-to-ship threat sources.

Bottom line; the humanitarian protection ploy was massively over-played in Libya, and now the international resistance to it occurring elsewhere is has been greatly amplified.  People have finally snapped-out of the Western MSM humanitarian assistance propaganda 'trance'.  War is war, combat is combat, it is the annihilation of a state, and it is not about the humanitarian aid and civil protection of the people against that state.  It was regime change, apparently at any cost, even the vandalising and serious damage to the UN-SC mechanism, and international diplomacy.  That is the violent reality people had to be confronted with in order to break the hold of that NATO 'humanitarian assistance' trance.

As Chalmers Johnson would say, the blow-back from such ill-advised and very short-sighted delusional Washington and European geo-political opportunism will be protracted, painful, and very dangerous, for it has finally forced Russia out to its disengaged stance.

Which was an unbelievably dumb thing to do ... except and unless ... you wanted to expand the defence budget to keep the defense industry stocks propped, and the impetus to meaningful defense cuts on the back-burner for years.  Defense stocks and dividends can only potentially grow faster than inflation if the overall defense budget pie also grows faster than inflation.  When that stops the stocks must fall, and that is a very big part of the US production base and GDP.  Hence the 'idiotic' belligerence that Russia is forced to respond to.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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The Daddy Bush was so right. If you take out Saddam Hussein, who is going to control the natives. Saddam checked Iran.

Once we took out Saddam, Barack Hussein Obama II was elected and Obama gives his contrition speech, the natives across the Middle East decided to rise up and demand democracy. And surprise, surprise, just like the American path to the constitution was messy, long, and faith based (christian), the Arab path will be messy, long, and faith based (islam).

From the american perspective, raise Saddam Hussein from the dead and place him back in power. 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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and, I think, from the Israeli perspective.  If they thought dealing with a dozen Muslim dictators was donkey work, wait until they are dealing with 500 tribal war lords.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:48 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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Does Israel blame Bush Jr. for removing Saddam for their current tribal issues? I have luke warm support, but I do not believe  government says samething in private. I do not see a pathway for the survival of Israel surrounded by passionate history driven hate.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment I Am Not a Copp...
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Fargin' War!

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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+1 For Johnny Dangerously reference!

Fargin' iceholes!

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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It's called the Somali Model, folks:

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/07/30/israels-plan-for-syria/

regurgiation of an older plan, actually:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

itself a regurgiation of early Zionism, which always planned expulsions and ethnic cleansing followed by expansion.

Syria is about Iran, and Iran is about Lebanon.  Very little chance Syria has been targetting Turkey.

Still no evidence of Iranian nukes, not that this has stopped the MSM from writing articles which seem to presuppose Iran is driving toward nukes.

Never any mention of the NAM's call for a nuke-free ME, or of Israel's nuke weapons program...

Also not really much by way of evidence of Jewry's/Israel's claim to have had ancient powerful Kingdoms in Canaan - sure were lots of Egyptian and other people's artifacts, though.

Not that most Israelis have much genetic or cultural connection to the Middle East, of course.

Most of history is little more than lies, with a sprinkling of fact, designed to help a ruling class.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Maybe Syria and Iran are in cahoots for a gold backed currency and an army equipped with bad ass stg-44s.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:53 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBoner_
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Humus....yum !:O)

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Aegelis
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"What lies behind us and lies before us are small matters compared to what lies right to our faces." - http://www.despair.com/propaganda.html

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Martin Silenus
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Novus ordo seclorum, bitchez!

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment saints51
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment redd_green
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"with ties to Al Qaeda"    how long are people going to fall for this crap?

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment djsmps
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Emmanuel Goldstein is one with Al Qaeda.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Piranhanoia
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Emmanuel Lewis was never one with Michael Jackson.  B3

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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Here's what the future map of the Middle East would look like.

http://www.toonpool.com/user/5222/fi...ast_587565.jpg

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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Gotta build the third temple so the moshiach can come back and help the Jews rule over all the goyim!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsEMjpZZoo

 

In essence, this is what Iraq, Syria and Iran are about from their end.  Of course, any criticism of Zionist megalomania and Jewish Supremacism is immediately dismissed as 'anti-semitic' as the actual semites are ethnicalyl cleansed by the manifestly un-semitic Ashkenazi European Jews for whom all of this is not about the realm of the spirit at all, but wealth, power, and control.

 

Great article and worth reading carefully - [and obviously its a minority of Jews, the extremists, who adhere to this crap... but who also happen to be running Israel, the settlements, and who have bought the Congress and the Executive branch.] - http://holywar.org/jewishtr/02hos.htm

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 13:59 | Link to Comment pods
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So Turkey flies in the agitators who fire mortars into Turkey to give Turkey the excuse to attack Syria?

Why the hell don't they just attack them and say Syria had it coming because of the way she dresses?

We as humans deserve everything we give to one another.  Just a bunch of hairless apes we are.

pods

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:20 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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I resemble that remark...

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment Cosmicserpent
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Much more advantageous to bring in NATO.  NATO MUST go to war with Turkey against Syria if Turkey is attacked.  An attack against one is an attack against all...

Maybe that's why Obama looked so vapid in the debate. 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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Look, this is 2012.  Everyone in the world wants a middle east with values that are current and in sync with the rest of the world.  What we are talking about is a neo-Outremer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outremer

If you want to attack Israel, you shouldn't live near the Middle East.  Find somewhere else in the world to live.  If you can't get along with your neighbours, wear a hat with a nice bullseye on top of it.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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"Everyone in the world wants a middle east with values that are current and in sync with the rest of the world."

This is so obviously untrue even you can't believe it.  Do you think the Ultra Zionists, Talmudic Fundamentalists, Salafis and jihadis of various stripes are motivated by Enlightenment values?

As for Israel, an honest, open mind, and the ability to do some google searching will well establish their genocidal and disgusting crimes against the native Arabized Palestinian peoples. 

 

And one needn't live near Israel to be attacked by her and her Zionist 5th Lobby treasonous cohorts.

 

http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:The_Five_Dancing_Israelis_Arrested_On_9-11

http://www.takeourworldback.com/911whodunit.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bG3Q3bkH_0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4&feature=related

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyCAZGRpf8  *

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbTe50UUgM *

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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... You simply don't get it...

You can talk all you want.  It's a free world.

This middle east schtick has been going on long enough.  The rampant corruption there causes most muslims to live on $2 a day.  No one wants to see that kind of poverty.  There is no future.

If you give the middle east a helping hand, they bite it.  Nothing satisfies them.  When they have their own show they turn on themselves and find reasons to attack one another.  No one is interested in working together to build a better world as that is too "Christian".

Put on your tinfoil hat and ensure it has a proper bullseye painted on top.  We wouldn't want to miss.

I realize you will see that as an infidel outlook on life.  I don't care.  I suspect most of the developed world no longer cares either.  Zionist... Schmionist.  Whoop-tee-doo.

The Turks are doing the right thing.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 04:39 | Link to Comment Element
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"The Turks are doing the right thing."

You realise the Turks have a non-secular muslim religious party Govt right? ... and are attacking a secular admin in Syria? ... and wanting Europe and North America to kick-off WWIII ... on their behalf?

Your comment seems just a little bit daft.  Not much new there though.

 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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Why do you insist on playing checkers when the rest of the world is playing chess?

I realize the board looks the same but all the game pieces are different.

Thanks for your analysis of the situation.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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LATEST :

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned that his country is not far from war with Syria following cross-border attacks.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:40 | Link to Comment drivenZ
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there's also this from last month. So not a big secret Al-Qaeda is trying to oust Assad. Turkey helping it along isn't a big stretch at all.  

 

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/al-qaeda-leader-publicly-sides-with-syrian-opposition/article2335864/?service=mobile

 

and Putin knows what's up as well...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-57507365-503543/putin-suggests-u-s-backing-al-qaeda-in-syria-civil-war/

"Russian President Vladimir Putin has asserted that "some people want to use militants from al Qaeda... to accomplish their goals in Syria."

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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So it begins....

 

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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Its very sad , the entire western model this past century has orbited the concept of turning oil into  useless shit......

When the model fails to work (when they run out of oil ) the banks must kill people as they cannot get a yield out of these human conduits.

Want to know what the second best selling car in Austerity Ireland is ?

The truely Absurd Nissan Qashqai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Qashqai

is the number 2 top selling “car” model in Ireland so far this year with 3,256 units sold (2,611 Jan -Sep Y2011)
Who the hell is buying these capital & fuel intensive cars ?
Back in the early 80s Irish depression people were buying cheap 1 litre petrol cars… as we had a semi - national currency......our fuel use collapsed but we kept our society together more or less....this time our society is imploding to sustain the purchase of Nissan fucking Qashquis.

We are truely living withen a non optimum monetary envoirment where we import useless stuff which on a holistic level extracts from rational domestic demand.

Given the circumstances half of the new car regs should be 1 litres…..but it is a tiny niche market with more Qashquis sold then the entire 1 litre segment !!!

the Toyota Yaris dominates the small Irish 1 litre petrol segment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Vitz
With 1,908 units sold out of a total of 3,175 units (Jan to Sep)
Volks UP : 248
Opel Corsa : 240
Kia Picanto : 186
Toyota AYGO :124
Skoda citigo : 69

 

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 01:29 | Link to Comment BigInJapan
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"Gas guzzling"???

It's got a 1.6L engine.

I guess Hemi's aren't real popular round the potato farms.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Chaos_Theory
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Good thing Turkey and Russia aren't old-school enemies or anything.  Nothing to see here...just a minor slap fight ;)

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Latest : Turkish army shells al-Qaysaryia town 13km south of Tel Abyad town - Activists

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment samsara
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".... And it's 1,2,3 whatta we fightin for? ...."

 

Here is the GIF that is our NEW   Iwo Jima.... 

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/daily-random-funny-pics-01-12-09-14.jpg?w=500

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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Assad is a cruel disctator, but as most cruel dictators are--he is no fool.

There is no way in hell that he would order this shit.  It would mean the end of him and his regime.

It would be nice to see who is hiding behind the curtains, because it sure as shit is not the guys who are going to die because of it.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Syrian turkeys for Thanksgiving this year.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Story seems to be Turkish Officers coordinating rebels in Aleppo - no doubt the bombers too. This is classic Black Ops. and makes The West look stupid. Good job Putin is not interested in a major war, but it seems hard to imagine Israel will survive what is coming. Will all those children in school being fed Holocaust Indoctrination manage to couple what NATO is provoking with what happened AFTER Britain and France went to war with Germany ? It seems weird that history is being made and possibly repeated as newspapers gorge on iPhone 5 and similar pablum.

Turkey is playing with fire and might be a smaller country after this provocation. The two countries in the region with the biggest populations are Iran and Turkey - one with US sponsors and the other with Chinese.

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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They hanged Keitel at Nuremberg for what the US now does with regularity

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment shuckster
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When World War 1 started, did it really matter that some no name Archduke got shot? And when Pearl Harbor was raided, was the whole world not already strategically incorporating the US's role into their plans? Whatever the catalyst for this war does not matter, only that it is coming

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:51 | Link to Comment drivenZ
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dont see why that's a forgone conclusion. Libya didnt escalate into WWIII. Syria  shouldn't be any different. Who will support them? Russia and Syria vs the world? yea right. 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:42 | Link to Comment shuckster
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With each compounding event, we draw closer to war. All events are represented in the media as isolated and unimportant as the pacifist liberals in the WH want to avoid war at all costs, thus why we see reports of "US Ambassador randomly dies of smoke inhalation, not related to being attacked by Muslim militants chanting Al Qaeda slogans"

Russia has been suspiciously quiet throughout this thing, and given Putin's bitterness about the US trying to depose him, I don't think they'll extend the olive branch when the time comes

Syria (or should we say, Asia), has many allies. Just look at any pro-Iran blog and you will see dozens of people standing up for Iran. China's militancy has been heavily downplayed, however, it's no secret that China will not support the US in an East v West World War. I had hoped for a long time that it would not lead to this - that Russia could be brought into some sort of agreement and then China would naturally follow, however it looks like both prefer war. China has been seen digging nuclear bunkers all over its landscape, and it's well known that Russia has already armed its country for defensive nuclear war, burrowing similar underground military bases. It's probably safe to assume that the US has an underground network of military bases at this point too. The old teams still apply. Capitalists vs Communist

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 21:35 | Link to Comment jtg
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Russia, China, Iran, that's who. Russia and China are starting to draw a line; they are getting very upset with the West. You want WW3? You're going to get it with your attitude.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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The World ? Look  at the geography - Iran, Russia, Turkey, Kurdistan, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan........just how many National Guardsmen does the US have lined up to deploy in a major regional war ?

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment MarcusLCrassus
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1.  Pentagon gives Turkey more military aid in return for helping and supplying Syrian rebel forces.

 

2.  Syrian government shells Turkish border town in retaliation, probably a commanding officer in the field that didn't clear these orders with Herr Assad.

 

3. Low-grade border war starts between Syria and Turkey. 

 

Our best bet is to topple the Assad regime sooner rather than later and put a more US-friendly stooge in charge. 

 

 

 

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 21:32 | Link to Comment jtg
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Our best bet is to cut Turkey loose and stop meddling in the Middle East.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 06:07 | Link to Comment Element
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Complete rubbish.

There would be a major and instantaneous counter-insurgency emerge from within Syria itself, for one thing, and then Russia and Iraq and Iran, plus China and even Hezbollah would be more than willing to involve themselves in reversing any pro-western puppet installed Damascus.

The only thing that is going to work here is a negotiated truce and political reconciliation (which is what Russia has said all along BTW).

There is no room in this for any rebel insurgency that point-blank refuses to honestly negotiate towards that end.

And there is no excuse possible for a western Govt or alliance to be supporting any such 'rebel' force.

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 16:44 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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WHY!!!? ...I know you must be kidding. 

In a borderless market, which has marked and sealed labor to death, to ''Quantify'', LMAO, ''Eternity'', it's real easy to answer the question of ''why''. The ''Time of Jacob's Trouble'' is the image of the law of ''return'', lol ''fire''.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6POmPgeLW2U 

...trying to explain the motive of an elder of man, telling a kid their Father is wrong about playing with matches, well, that is like trying to console a friend that just got deceived by Jacob. Everyone will suffer the desire of this fire, like an angel that sees the love of The Father as a man and woman upon the Earth, given the birth of the Son of Man, as in marriage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjq5Rq4sSZc 

...deception is the offer of temptation that aborts life, before the womb is a black hole. Tweet that ...bitchez. Lol.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 00:54 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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you first (don't worry i'm right behind you)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_esYONwdKuw

@2:10 if u're too impatient

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 05:34 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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...pretty wild, when I was posting that crazy parable, lol, Prophecy In The News was doing a related offer about the fallen reality of ''why''. http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/daily-update-october-5-2012-myth-of-the-caveman/

Fri, 10/05/2012 - 17:28 | Link to Comment meizu
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Syria has enough chemical weapons to turn Turkey into a cemetary.

If turkey invade syria, syria will not need to hold back, it will fire all its missles into Turkish cities.

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