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Via John R. Schindler of The XX Committee,

Do the Swiss know something the rest of us don’t?

Ueli Maurer, the Swiss defense minister, has been making coy statements about the European crisis getting ugly – as in really ugly, like needing armed troops to deal with it. This sounds more like Greece, where the rioting is regular and increasingly scary, than anything in Central Europe, but where the whole EU furball is headed does seem less than clear of late.

The Swiss are famous for preparing for everything and having an absolutely huge army, relative to their population, to deal with any eventuality. They maintain their special military system, based on training for nearly the whole male population but a very small active duty cadre (plus a few, tiny UN peacekeeping-type missions abroad, since the Swiss have an actually defensive defense force): the Swiss can call up over 200,000 trained troops, which is but one-third of what was on-call twenty years ago – like everyone, they have downsized as the threat has receded since the fall of the Soviet bloc – but that’s still pretty huge in Swiss terms. In America, that would mean a mobilization strength of nearly 8,000,000 for the U.S. military (it’s a hair under three million, in case you were wondering).

Minister Maurer, accompanied by whispers from the top uniformed leadership in Switzerland, is trying to raise awareness that Europe’s massive fiscal-cum-political crisis could get very unpleasant. Swiss military exercises in September, called STABILO DUE, were based on EU instability getting out of hand. The Swiss have stayed out of the EU – one more thing the very prosperous Swiss are gloating about these days – and they certainly don’t want EU problems spilling over into their peaceful little country. That the Swiss military is adding four new military police battalions to the army, to be spread around the country, indicates that the threat they have in mind is more disorder and chaos than actual invasion.

The Swiss are in the process of modernizing their military, which they have discovered is very expensive; the purchase of 22 new Saab Gripen fighters has proved a big political headache, since the Swiss are as notable for their frugality as for their military preparedness. But Minister Maurer is on firm ground when he notes that the massive decline in European militaries since 1990 has implications for today, none of them positive. When even the British have cut their army so much that, in the event of a serious crisis, there would be at most two dozen infantry battalions on hand in the UK (that’s well under 20,000 bayonets), one has to wonder if the next London “disturbances” could be kept in check if things got truly ugly. It’s commonly held by European security insiders that if the next Anders Brievik were to target Muslims, not fellow Europeans, things could get unimaginably ugly very quickly. It is difficult to see how Europe’s much smaller militaries could cope with massive civil disturbances. (And don’t ask Uncle Sam for help, since the very last thing the Pentagon wants is to get dragged into any riot suppression – particularly putting down Muslim uprisings – anywhere in Europe.)

It’s easy to dismiss the Swiss, since they are a tiny country whose military hasn’t actually fought anybody in a couple centuries. On the other hand, they managed to stay out of both of Europe’s catastrophic World Wars precisely though preparing for eventualities and maintaining a strong defensive capability. They’re clearly on to something.

 

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Sun, 10/07/2012 - 15:59 | 2865441 Debtonation
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But, they should have pegged their currency to gold instead of euros

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:21 | 2865571 slaughterer
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Didn't some Swiss dude sell most of Switzerland's gold DECADES ago?  nuff said.  

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:47 | 2865808 akak
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The Swiss have stayed out of the EU – one more thing the very prosperous Swiss are gloating about these days

Yeah, and good thing nobody in Switzerland was EVER foolish enough to even consider buckling under to insidious and long-standing surreptitious demands by the IMF to totally delink their currency from gold --- and then selling off half of their national gold stockpile ---- both of which they have done in the last 12 years, or more recently pegging their (formerly much more stable) Swiss franc to the (formerly much faster) depreciating euro. 

Oh yes, hooray for Swiss "independence" and "neutrality"!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:03 | 2865881 Harbanger
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Maybe that explains those tungsten bars in the NY Feds vault.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 19:39 | 2866202 max2205
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Swatch watches.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 20:10 | 2866249 JohnG
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That's a damn nice knife. 

Gotta get me one of those :)

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 20:27 | 2866276 The Shootist
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Victorinox bitchez, great value!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 21:05 | 2866341 imaginalis
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Switzerland: A nice place to eat chocolate while stashing stolen loot.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 02:40 | 2869941 Ar-Pharazôn
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wooooooooooah the master economist is showing his clever thinking.

 

not pegging to euro 1.20? can you even imagine what would be the consequences to our EXPORT ECONOMY/INDUSTRY?

 

plz shut up if you dont have a clue on what are you saying

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:53 | 2875741 akak
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Ar-Pharazon, when it comes to currency debasement, why do you blinkered idiots (and yes, you are most definitely an idiot) always focus ONLY on the export sector, and NEVER on the IMPORT sector, or the domestic sector?  What about the costs of currency debasement to the Swiss people when it comes to fuel imports, for example?

No government has ever made any nation more prosperous by debasing its currency --- just the opposite, in fact.  Your argument in support of currency debasement is fallacious, specious and disingenuous.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 05:54 | 2889343 AvoidingTaxation
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From 1.55 to 1.20 is quite a reevaluation...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 19:31 | 2905750 Ar-Pharazôn
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nobody and nothing can save Switzerland from the caos incoming.

 

as i said our economy live on exports. no discussion on this.

 

not pegging the franc to the euro would have destroyed our exports and would make us loose probably thousands of jobs. with the peg to 1.20, actually our economy is growing.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:58 | 2866138 reTARD
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I don't trust the Swiss powers just as I don't trust any other TPTB.

History is littered with clues:

- the Swiss Guard to the Vatican

- the Swiss neutrality claim; ever wonder why their word was enough not to be invaded while everyone else was stream-rolled?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 19:54 | 2866226 cynicalskeptic
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Not worth the effort to try and invade Switzerland - limited access through easily defended passes a fully armed populace.  During WWII it was to both sides' advantage to let the Swiss remain neutral and uninvolved, though the Swiss paid a pricew too... ever see the generation that came of age during thewar years?  Short - from a severely limited diet.  The Germans limited the food imported into Switzerland from occupied Europe.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 22:56 | 2866622 otto skorzeny
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they're dug way deep into their mountains-like the Iranians

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 04:15 | 2867000 vato poco
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Yeah, that "Switzerland was just too mountainous and tough to invade" whopper is what they (still) teach the good little burghers in the good little Swiss schools - right after "overcharge the foreign tourists for _everything_, including the air they breathe, if you can". Unfortunately, it's all bullshit. (What is now) Yugoslavia is a mountainous country peopled with stubborn ornery fuckers, just like Switzerland, but that didn't stop the Nazis at all, did it. If it took 5 divisions, so be it. When that proved to be not enough, they sent more.

Germany didn't invade Switzerland in WW2 for one reason, & one reason only: Der Swiss cheerfully agreed to be the Nazi bankers (for the customary fee, naturlich.) After the war, they proved this indirectly by their habit of refusing to pay on life insurance policies of jews killed by their good & great customers, the 3rd reich. Survivors of folks killed in Nazi death camps didn't get mom/dad/grampaw's life insurance, because *they couldn't produce a death certificate*. And, of course, post-war wire transfer records to, say, South America are still a State secret. Look it up. Classy little collaborators, are the Swiss.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 02:43 | 2869946 Ar-Pharazôn
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woaaaa, while we were COMPLETELY surrounded by axis forces we make deals and trades with them..... HOW BAD ARE THE SWISS!!!! they are really devils for trying to survive.....

 

and guess how many lives we saved from certain death in this period?

 

 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 03:47 | 2866985 Hermel
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One of the strategic Swiss assets are Switzerland's tunnels through the mountains. The Swiss filled them with dynamite and threatened to blow them up in case of a German or Italian invasion. At the same time, they still allowed German and Italian trains to pass through the mountains during the war. Invading Switzerland would not only have been coupled with high military losses, it would also have meant the loss of the ability to efficiently move goods through the alps. Even with todays technology, it takes decades to build tunnels like the Gotthard.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 21:31 | 2866413 BeaverFever
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Here in Canuckistan the demand for Toblerone chocolate is exceptional, and reaches levels that I deem "batshit crazy" come Christmas time. Women would go full hormonal and turn the average man to drinking 24/7 if those frickin' triangular pieces of chocolate/nutty pieces of cocaine laced Swiss bars were not available.

Gold? Screw gold. Guarding borders against a flood of refugees? Forget that. Worry about hordes of woman needing their Swiss Chocolate fix to fill their blood streams with whatever concoction of additives they throw in their "All-Seeing-Eye" chocolate. 

If they screw with me this year and stop exporting Toblerone bars I have only two words for those Swiss bastards: "Dammit Janet."

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 07:44 | 2867129 Ar-Pharazôn
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some swiss dude?

 

the entire swiss people decided to sell SOME of the reserves to lower deficit spending.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:24 | 2865612 Zero Govt
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they can peg it to Christine Lagardes arsehole as far as i'm concerned, i'm still a buyer

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 20:50 | 2866319 LongBalls
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Where is the Bank of International Settlements located?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 03:01 | 2886258 e-recep
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all swiss exporters would have to close down or go bankrupt within the last ten years.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:24 | 2865451 Robot Traders Mom
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I'll bet they don't have all the patriotic "USA, USA, USA" chants (which is clearly an inverse relationship to common sense)...

 

EDIT: I corrected 'be' to 'bet' and forgot to spell out the ignorance of USA chants...

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:34 | 2865781 Harbanger
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Switzerland has the highest gun ownership rate in all of Europe.  I'd say they have plenty of "common sense".  Bitch.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:48 | 2865995 Debeachesand Je...
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I think that's a whole lot of common sense.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:56 | 2866015 malikai
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If I remember correctly, every single household has a rifle and a box of rounds issued by the government.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:19 | 2866061 ShrNfr
Mon, 10/08/2012 - 07:47 | 2867132 Ar-Pharazôn
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every swiss male that did military service had an assault rifle at home.

now things changed and the rifle is deposited in a safe place

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 10:43 | 2906264 arvesia
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wrong dude, still got my P220 and FASS90 under my bed.. like everyswissone else. 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:49 | 2865803 Urban Redneck
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Why would a Swiss chant "USA, USA, USA"?

Who has the more cukoo preamble to their constitution? vs. Who gets gets laughed at more for clinging to their guns & religion?

(1789)

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

(1999)

In the name of Almighty God!
The Swiss People and the Cantons,
mindful of their responsibility towards creation,
resolved to renew their alliance so as to strengthen liberty, democracy, independence and peace in a spirit of solidarity and openness towards the world,
determined to live together with mutual consideration and respect for their diversity,
conscious of their common achievements and their responsibility towards future generations,
and in the knowledge that only those who use their freedom remain free, and that the strength of a people is measured by the well-being of its weakest members;
adopt the following Constitution:

 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:37 | 2866103 Whiner
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Whassat " future generations " thingy mean? Why isn't it in our Preamble?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 19:29 | 2866188 Harbanger
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Define Posterity.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 23:28 | 2866696 1984
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For some reason I read that as "posterior"...

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 04:18 | 2867001 vato poco
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"Until the current crop of politicians, bureaucrats, government lawyers, and other assorted state-paid parasites retire and collect their God-given 50 years worth of gold-plated pensions."

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:03 | 2865452 Haus-Targaryen
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Winter is coming.  

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:18 | 2865497 Haus-Targaryen
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Who the fuck red arrowed me?  

 

Fact - Winter is coming . . . its October.

Fact - Winter, as in a metaphor, for the future political and economic climate of the continent is coming as well.  

Fact - Its colds in die Schweiz 

Fact - Ties neatly into my name on here.  

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:29 | 2865766 Likstane
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Maybe it was a southern hemisphere ZHer.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:33 | 2865774 NewThor
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Maybe it was someone mad at George RR Martin for

books #4 and #5?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:34 | 2865778 formadesika3
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Winter is coming. Have a drink.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:26 | 2866079 formadesika3
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Who the fuck red arrowed me?!

Fact: I'm having a drink.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:36 | 2865787 Alpha Monkey
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Those are the words of house Stark... but I agree.  And I've been saying it to myself (as i'm finishing the first book in about another hour from now) to every shitty headline I read about the world tearing itself apart.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:00 | 2865877 holgerdanske
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See, it all depends. Where I live, summer is around the corner! As a matter of fact, half the world is going into summer!;-)

As for the Swiss. I agree, they have started lately to become more "mainstream" which is a pitty.

I still think it will be one of the better places to be in the years to come. From a standpoint of humanity, independence, free thinking and civil liberties.

I just wish they would tell the American government to go stuff themselves.!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:02 | 2866023 NoTTD
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You're kidding, right?  Stark red arrowed your dragon-loving ass.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:20 | 2865565 Cloud9.5
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As in Kondratiev Winter?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 23:13 | 2866668 monkeyboy
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Which has got to better than a nuclear winter.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 05:41 | 2867040 _underscore
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It's always winter in Switzerland - at one level or another.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 07:50 | 2867137 Ar-Pharazôn
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lol i live in southern switzerland (Ticino)

 

and here now it's 20° C

 

i m just saying

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:24 | 2866077 Oldballplayer
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I did, but just because everyone else was doing it.  I am American....isnt that what we do?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:03 | 2865453 Ignorance is bliss
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Fail to see the relevance of anything materially important to anything...We are talking about Switzerland's military. Why ???

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:13 | 2865475 Dingusdongus
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Talking about preparedness, or, lack therof for civil insurrection caused by unstable economies. I thought it was interesting.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:59 | 2865870 Ignorance is bliss
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The Swiss Army's preparedness is your gauge? What a fucking moron. I bet you vote for Obama..you bitch...admit it.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:30 | 2865955 tmosley
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Are you playing a character?

Sure seems like it, given the ignorance you seem to revel in.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 19:39 | 2866201 Ancona
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+10

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 21:07 | 2866343 Ignorance is bliss
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Swiss insurrection...Really? Sorry if I push the B.S. button. If we were talking about Greece or Spain...okay. However, I look at this article as alarmist and hard to swallow. Sorry for actually rubbing two brain cells together and just not buying the Swiss army preparedness level, the same army that has not participated in conflict for centuries indicates anything of consequence.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 21:48 | 2866454 TheFourthStooge-ing
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tmosley said:

Are you playing a character?

Sure seems like it, given the ignorance you seem to revel in.

He's just amazingly happy and gleeful, that's all.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:04 | 2865456 knukles
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LOL
Call out the reserves.  Every able bodied bloke between 12 and 407 who already has an FNFAL in his closet and a brick of 7.62 (.308) NATO (or whatever the ages and issue are).
Not like not having anybody to be able to respond.

PS  When I was living across the pond, way back in another portion of history when things in Large Cities were Still Civil, the Swiss Army still was kitted out in Feldgrau WWII uniforms, jackboots, kraut helmets...

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:25 | 2865699 Urban Redneck
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Got SIG?  They're 5.56...

But standard target distance is 300 yds, (a bit challenging on a windy alpine day).

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:57 | 2865861 AvoidingTaxation
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300 m for rifle

 

50 m for gun

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:31 | 2865957 tmosley
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Damn, what have you been eating?  My gun won't shoot near that far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:32 | 2865958 tmosley
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Damn, what have you been eating?  My gun won't shoot near that far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 10:48 | 2906269 arvesia
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30 m for gun

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 10:48 | 2906270 arvesia
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30 m for gu

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 22:59 | 2866632 otto skorzeny
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a 556 swat classic will be purchaesd by myself the day after O is reelected.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 02:11 | 2866918 flyingcaveman
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Yep.  5.56 sucks on a windy day, no telling where they'll end up.  .308 bitches!!!!!!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:45 | 2865815 Hulk
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AT one time, it may have been that there was a FNFAL BR in every swiss closet, but it just ain't the case anymore...

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 00:03 | 2866751 Mad Max
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Actually Switzerland is one of the very few western countries that never issued the FN-FAL.  Something about their terrific domestic arms industry and extreme accuracy focus (the FAL's weakest point).  There may be some FALs in private Swiss hands due to their relatively decent gun laws, of course.

Now Austria, those perfect Germans, they issued and manufactured one of the best FALs made by anyone, ever...

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 07:53 | 2867139 Ar-Pharazôn
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we had 2 assault rifle in the last 60 years.

 

F ass 57

 

F ass 90

 

no BS FNFAL

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:05 | 2865457 Yen Cross
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Where will all the "War Mongers store their spoils", since the Swiss Banks went "full whistleblower"? I guess those make-shift "drug carrying mini subs are water tight". They can sink their spoils in " High Alpine Lakes".

 Hence the Military Buildup!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:19 | 2865929 Peter Pan
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Storing fiat is useless unless you have gold and then I seem to remember they are the clever ones who sold their gold and pegged their currency to the Euro.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:37 | 2865968 Yen Cross
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Did you catch the "priceless art/artifacts side of it?" The "Spear of Destiny, was on a wooden staff.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 07:54 | 2867141 Ar-Pharazôn
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oh yeh!

 

we could just dont peg and have a change of 1 E for 1.50-1.60 francs so our export will be chocked.

 

great idea mr. genius

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:05 | 2865460 midtowng
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If the Swiss have any problems, it'll probably come in the form of refugees spilling over the borders.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:10 | 2865906 Jack Burton
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Yes, the Swiss will face floods of economic refugees seeking the security of a wealthy state. Should Europe's economic situation worsen, floods of people could be headed for a place they know will take care of them.

As of today Britain, despite it's problems, is destination of choice as all you need to do is put a toe on British soil to qualify for a free Doctor, Free education, a free flat, free food and a nice cash payment coming in every month. Wnder why people will come from across the globe to get into the UK. Sick people buy a plane ticket to London, get off the plane and jump the tube at Heathrow to the nearest NHS hospital ER room and no matter what illness they have, once they are in the door they will get complete and total medical care, be it cancer or a hangnail, compliments of the UK taxpayer.

 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:56 | 2866132 FutureShock
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So just like mexicans here then? They can follow the CA model, they are doing a great job with that.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 19:22 | 2866178 markar
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The Swiss didn't join the EU for the very reason they didn't want' "Ostrats" and Muslims overrunning their borders. They will not allow economic refugees from the EU to flood their borders either, and it's probably the toughest passport in the world to obtain.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:24 | 2867180 4exNinja
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That wasn't the main reason why multiple votes failed. We didn't want to join because it would have destroyed our high salaries and often higher standards than in Europe. There is already an agreement that EU nationals can work in Switzerland, and despite that, unemployment is still super low. 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:45 | 2867226 Ar-Pharazôn
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hey mate where do you live?

 

i m in Lugano

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 09:45 | 2867402 4exNinja
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Based out of London at the moment, but originally from Basel...also lived in Lausanne for around 6yrs before moving to the UK.

Lugano's nice...especially weather wise ;)

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 09:54 | 2867425 Ar-Pharazôn
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hahahahah we just enojed a 20+ °C day ;)

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 10:39 | 2867552 4exNinja
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The weather's definitely better than in the UK. In 2011 we had 4 (!!!!) days of weather hotter than 25 degrees...a disgrace!! 

People think just because there's mountains it's mostly cold...which is completely wrong. Summers are actually pretty nice, and in the south spring/autumn is pretty good too.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:06 | 2866031 NoTTD
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They can smell the Greeks, Italians, Spaniards and French coming.  Of course, I can smell them from here, too. 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:06 | 2865461 gojam
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Military police, police the military.

How many military police battalions do they have now ? If there are four extra then you can calculate how much bigger they expect the standing army to get as a percentage.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:12 | 2865465 DosZap
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On the other hand, they managed to stay out of both of Europe’s catastrophic World Wars precisely though preparing for eventualities and maintaining a strong defensive capability. They’re clearly on to something.

 

Sure they are, they were neutral, in terms of invasion, and aggression, as they were KEY along w/Western banksters in profiteeering off of every major world war.When you the GO To guys for da coin............you left alone.Ever wonder how they would up w/so much of the holocaust Jews wealth in their vaults?.

Got caught, called out, and had to make reparations,to a MINOR degree.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:43 | 2866110 saycheeeese
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Ignorance is what make people go to war and... Numbered account were created fort he jews and. Accounts of dead disappeared people are not close like some other countries and... Ask the jewish international community about their ongoing banking relationships in CH and....

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 07:56 | 2867142 Ar-Pharazôn
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sir you're an idiot.

 

you left alone.Ever wonder how they would up w/so much of the holocaust Jews wealth in their vaults?.

 

and can you guess how many lives we saved?

 

where do you come from? how many people saved your country in the WWII?

 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:46 | 2867229 Ar-Pharazôn
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intead to downvote.

 

tell me where do you come from?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:10 | 2865470 Yen Cross
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Like cockroaches, and rats? For everyone you see, there are 4 more lurking in the shadows.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:08 | 2865463 blabam
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They know where the jew gold is!  

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:41 | 2865777 Zero Govt
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maybe but they're keeping stum on that

Americans Gold however, well the Swiss won't stand in the way of the deranged US Govt subverting every US citizens privacy and ability to to do business outside the good ol' Land of the Free (cough)

the sociopaths at the IRS are on a suicide mission to kill US business (and freedom) across the globe (unless you're GE, Boeing or the MIC). Even the Swiss know there's no debating with these wrecking balls

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:01 | 2865879 akak
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Then why are the Swiss doing exactly that --- buckling under to the long arm of the IRS --- along with virtually EVERY other nation (and their banking systems) on earth aside from maybe North Korea and Iran?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:30 | 2865918 Zero Govt
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the Swiss have buckled like every other nation to the US Govts tyranical abuse of their own citizens private interests abroad because they are US citizens, not their own

if you were a foreign bank would you stand up to the US Govt for the sake of 120 accounts you hold of Americans? ...nope, not many will

the dye has been cast. US citizens load up on cash and metals and leave the Land of the Free before the fuckers/suckers confiscate the rest of your hard earned ...who needs banks anyway, the financial system is a spy network, a monopolist matrix weapon/ratchet and in very large part absolutely fraudulently fucked

its a blessing in disguise to get you on your way to dealing one to one in your local catchment area dealing in cash and goods off the back of a truck and away from the scums spying eyes and thieving taxes

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:08 | 2865464 lolmao500
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The troops will be there to stop the hordes of bankrupted europeans trying to overflow their borders.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:12 | 2865472 Yen Cross
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Long , cuckoo clocks.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:15 | 2865478 agent default
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No, bankrupt European governments will just raid their vaults, they already are, and the Swiss government is being complacent about it.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:10 | 2865466 agent default
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The only thing I know about the Swiss, is that their banking model is gone, largely due to their own sloppiness and without it, Switzerland is in for a fair share of its own trouble.  As in no more sitting on huge capital stockpiles.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:14 | 2865476 lolmao500
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Wait til you see "the Whites of their Eyes" before shooting!!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:14 | 2865477 forrestdweller
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the just do a lot of military exercising, because every male who can be called in for service has to do a few weeks of training a year. so the just do al scenarios.

that's all.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:16 | 2865482 shovelhead
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Cheese Wars.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:20 | 2865564 knukles
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That theory's got a lot of holes in it.

(Get it, Swiss cheese, holes?  Tee hee hee he he he)

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 22:39 | 2866560 e_goldstein
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI

(but I still gave you an up arrow)

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:24 | 2865643 I am on to you
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Are they gona cheese the enemy to death,by the holes!!

This world aint done being a joke yet!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:21 | 2865569 Yen Cross
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Ask "Todd Hildebrands "wife! She is a pro @ frontrunning (chf/anything)!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:21 | 2865570 insanelysane
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The US government can't comprehend the term "proactive".

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:25 | 2865695 knukles
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SEC, Fed, DoJ, CoC, et al seem to think of it as yogurt that makes you regular.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:22 | 2865588 I am on to you
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The swiss are armed to the teeth???

Would they be Jewish.Land of traitors!!!!!!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:33 | 2865765 falak pema
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what the swiss know is that if Berlu comes back to Italy he will break the Euro Union. That's one big domino.

The other is if the Spanish civil movement and regional divides gets bad. 

I don't see any issues as hot as Spain and Italy meltdowns. Although we don't know how core France and Germany will shape up in 2013. 

The banking crisis is still a big unknown time bomb. I guess the Swiss have a good feel of the pulse of cash movements in and out of private banks; hot money has one real home in Europe. 

What's happening in Austro-Hungary is another gray area. 

Will Cameron/City react violently if the 9 nations of Euro group install a financial tax? 

In case of civil strifes, even regional, Schengen will get dumped bigtime.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:48 | 2865830 knukles
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Cameron, who is one of the official UK spokes persons for the City will simply tell the EU to go shove it up their collective statist arses with respect to any financial transaction tax.
The City (all of whom, 10 Downing, MI5 and 6, Treasury, BofE act as the City's agents) will profit handsomely by  attracting transactions to their turf at the expense of the other EU members.
Which is what the EU members will argue as to why no tax should be imposed.

No Way the City will Permit a Tax of which They are Not the Recipient.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:55 | 2865853 falak pema
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well there u are, the swiss pikemen will be at it again. 

Money is what they understand best. MERKEL and Hollande are pushing for this tax as a hors d'oeuvre for their budget consolidation move down the road. We don't know what this package means but it will lead to lots of knives being sharpened in the smaller countries; as budget convergence will be imposed by the core outwards, with the technocrats to prepare the fine print. 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:08 | 2865898 Winston Churchill
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The one major export earner the Swiss do not publish figures on is the

supply of mercenaries .

I challenge any reader here on ZH to come up with a conflict that has not had Swiss

nationals involved somewhere in it.

There is a reason that the vatican guard is Swiss,with more than a pike hidden upon their person.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:01 | 2867145 Ar-Pharazôn
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LOL i cant understand why people speak BS when they dont know nothing about the subject.

 

mercenaries activieties are badly prohibited for swiss citizien. especially if you already did military service here.

 

if you serve under another army you will face trial when come back in switzerland.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 09:02 | 2867274 Ar-Pharazôn
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the reason is that when there has been the last sack of Rome, all the guards died to protect the pope and make him flee. just that

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:34 | 2865782 Cloud9.5
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I bought a Big Mac in Luzern a couple of years back, damned expensive.  Interesting country the Swiss have.  You may be able to cause some mischief from the air, but you are going to have to bring your tanks in up two lane roads. That cute little farm house just around the bend, it’s a false front.  Behind it is a 155mm.  howitzer.  It takes a long time to clear the road of one burning hulk before you can bring the next one up. They can hold those mountains long after you have become bored with the prospects of looting their vaults.

 

 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:54 | 2865851 Hulk
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Its damn embarrasing to get your ass blown up by a Farmhouse !!!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:40 | 2865974 Manthong
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Yup.. it won't be long until St Moriz will be known as the Tora Bora of the west.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:51 | 2865997 Oldrepublic
Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:07 | 2866040 NoTTD
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Yes, but you don't have projectile diarrhea after the Swiss Mac.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 10:50 | 2867585 Oldrepublic
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so 22 up points, I do not think that  MacDonald s business model in India includes giving free diarrhea to its customers!!!

some zero hedge readers type before they think

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:03 | 2867147 Ar-Pharazôn
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swiss meat= almost the best meat in the world.

 

beef here are feed in open space. they eat weed. no hormones and BS.

 

 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:23 | 2865941 ozziindaus
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Switzerland is the perfect example of why wars are frauds. Why should rules be followed if war can be justified? Why did Germany and the "allies" keep their hands off it during both WW's? I call BULLSHIT on all of that. 

Answer:

The back room collaboration by the warmongers in an attempt to keep their treasures safe. But it sounds like this time Die Schweitz may have outlived her safe haven status and now is on her own.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:55 | 2866010 Solarman
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The reason you cited, and that the Germans would have been bogged down to such an extent that it was just not worth their while.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:45 | 2866115 Whiner
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Plus they were a large help in financing Hitler's war machine. Dental and jewelry gold by the ton anyone. Plus forfeited accounts of incinerated victims. Gravy train for Herr Nuetral.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:04 | 2867149 Ar-Pharazôn
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from '39 to '45 swiss exports were

 

50% ca. ally side

50% ca. axis side

 

do some research before saying stupid things

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:48 | 2865991 Hannibal
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Oh Yeah!,...lets not forget to tighten the demoralization paranoia screw one more time!

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Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:08 | 2866042 NoTTD
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Long fondue.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:15 | 2866056 Tango in the Blight
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The last war Switzerland fought was the Sonderbund War in 1847, after seven Catholic cantons seceded from the Swiss Confederation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderbund_War

There were 86 deaths and 500 wounded on both sides during this conflict.

So they're not familiar with war in living memory.

OTOH Adolf Hitler declined to invade Switzerland in WW2 because he was scared off by Switzerland being a country full of gunowners.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 21:44 | 2866442 egoist
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Gunowners, those pesky gunowners!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 22:09 | 2866488 MeBizarro
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Yeah.  Hitler was scared off from invading Switzerland because of Swiss gun ownership.  It didn't anything to do with the fact that strategically it was worthless since it was surrounded & land-locked.  More importantly, it was because the Swiss banks cooperated and did a lot of huge amount of business with the Third Reich and German firms before and during the war including accepting large amounts of looted Jewish wealth and gold.  F@ck Switzerland.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 23:01 | 2866638 otto skorzeny
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that Jewish wealth bullshit in Switzerland is nothing more than fradulent extortion based on Holocaust guilt. the Swiss lost alot of credibilty by giving into the duplicitous hebes

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:52 | 2867243 Ar-Pharazôn
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go and look the Europe map between '41-'45

 

switzerland was totally surrounded by axis forces. what should we do? go at war vs Germany? yeeeeeeeeh sure!

 

just to refresh your brainwashed memory, 50% of the trade was with Germany and other countries part of the axis, and if you do maths, you know there is another 50%. i m just saying

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:06 | 2867152 Ar-Pharazôn
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if you just knew a bit of our history you would not write these BS

 

there have been only 86 dead because the general in command of swiss federalist troops didn't want a bloodsheld.

 

they did everything to avoid a massacre and they succeded.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 19:08 | 2866147 CoolBeans
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Thank you Switzerland for my Bernese Mountain Dog - best dog in the world.

Other than that, I've finally found a country that believes in a citizen's right to bear arms. Other than likely being too cold for me and spendy, I wonder how hard it is for an ex-pat (I'll have to research if things continue to get ugly here in USSA).

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 19:35 | 2866192 Alpacanio
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Swiss neutrality my ass. Back stabbing collaborators...

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:07 | 2867154 Ar-Pharazôn
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tell me one time in swiss history that we broke or dishonored a treaty with another nation.

 

we're not italians

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 20:29 | 2866279 Totentänzerlied
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Sabre-rattling serving the "euro collapse nightmare scenario" mythos intended to goad people into backing all EU/ECB/Troika measures. A collapse, violent or not, is what is needed.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 20:45 | 2866304 logicalman
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More likely playing both sides than neutrality, I would think.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 21:35 | 2866423 hannah
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the swiss didnt 'join' the eu on paper but completely meshed their economy so they are toast. the swiss arent afraid of outsiders...they know the shit will come from the islamist kitchen staff and street sweepers they imported. the swiss are fucked just like everyone else...

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 21:55 | 2866466 RiverRoad
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The Swiss better be good at defending themselves.  They are a large part of the reason the rest of the world's countries find themselves in such dire financial straights today.  The world's wealthy elite have been avoiding taxes like the plague hiding their money mainly in Switzerland among other tax havens.  At some point bankrupt countries are gonna go and git what's theirs.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 23:04 | 2866647 otto skorzeny
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Obama phone lady needs you to work harder to pay more taxes for that  Obama flatscreen she has her eye on-SUCKA. fuck you and your taxes

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 22:14 | 2866496 MeBizarro
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Can we please stop this utter nonsense about Switerzland's gun ownership rates have had anything to do with no countries invading Switzerland?  Something an idiot would say.  

It is a land-locked country that hasn't been meaningfully positioned in any European conflict in the past 2 centuries.  Much more importantly, its financial institutions have been willing to do business with any gov't or individual regardless of their background.  Want Swiss banks to store gold fillings from dead Jewish concentration camp survivors?  Sure.

 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 23:07 | 2866654 otto skorzeny
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I insist all of the physical gold I own contain fillings from WWII Jews. I also prefer blood diamonds.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 08:09 | 2867156 Ar-Pharazôn
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do you know, sir, how many people we saved from certain death between '39-'45?

 

i m sure no

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 09:53 | 2867420 4exNinja
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My grandma was one of them...she had Jewish roots and came over from an Eastern Country (now Czcech Republic). Plenty of Jewish refugees hid in Switzerland. 

I'm definitely not proud that they often acted as bankers for Nazis...but having said that, their options were incredibly limited. The deal they struck was the best move for the country's citizens as the alternative would have been an outright invasion. It also allowed them to harbour a ton of refugees, something that would have been impossible otherwise. 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 23:02 | 2866633 laosuwan
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Tjhe Swiss know something the rest of "us" refuse to accept.

 

It is difficult to see how Europe’s much smaller militaries could cope with massive civil disturbances. (And don’t ask Uncle Sam for help, since the very last thing the Pentagon wants is to get dragged into any riot suppression – particularly putting down Muslim uprisings – anywhere in Europe.)

 

Its not difficult to see, at all. these countries native peoples are tactically outnumbered now. Look at Sweden, UK, Germany, France, etc. where muslims outnumber the standing army and Mohammed is the most popular name for boys now. The muslims gloat they will concur europe by demographics, and they will unless they get restless and can't wait that long and go for it by force. Once the numbers get up to around 30% the troubles start, at 50% the war is on and at 70% the war is lost. And mind you they wont take the entire country in one fell swoop, but piece by piece, section by section, region by region. That's how its always been.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 06:48 | 2867078 4exNinja
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Seldom have I heard so much bullshit as you posted...

I take it you've never actually been to Sweden & Co? Because clearly you don't know what you're talking about and get your "information" from Breijvik like sources from authors that live in fantasy land...

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 23:30 | 2866700 hedgehog9999
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They have the most predatory atttitude as bankers go:

     "you guys fight while we hold your wallets"

No wonder it is such a rich country!!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 01:01 | 2866838 Uchtdorf
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The writer sure is glib about militaries controlling the European public. Sure glad that will never happen in the USA. Oh, wait....

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 01:09 | 2866849 constantine
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Do the Swiss know something the rest of us don’t?

Yes, they've learned that laundering money for the world's criminals and corrupt elites is quite profitable.  If you can't beat them, hide their money for them and they will love you.  Neutral my a$$.

 

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