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Guest Post: Iran’s Insane Rhetoric

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Iran’s Insane Rhetoric

Iranian officials are once again firing off belligerent rhetoric.

Via the Jerusalem Post:

Hojjat al-Eslam Ali Shirazi, the representative of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to the Islamic Republic’s Qods Force, said this week that Iran needed just “24 hours and an excuse” to destroy Israel.


In his first public interview in a year, reported in the Persian-language Jahan News, which is close to the regime, Shirazi said if Israel attacked Iran, the Islamic Republic would be able to turn the conflict into a war of attrition that would lead to Israel’s destruction.


“If such a war does happen, it would not be a long war, and it would benefit the entire Islamic umma the global community of Muslims. We have expertise in fighting wars of attrition and Israel cannot fight a war of attrition,” Shirazi said, referring to Iran’s eight-year war of attrition against Iraq.

Such claims are — more or less — inconsequential rubbish. The fact remains that Israel has nuclear weapons and a nuclear second strike, and Iran has no such thing, and the fact remains that the Iranian leadership knows this and are extremely unlikely to start a war where Iran (as Shimon Peres put it) will be the one wiped off the face of the Earth by Israeli plutonium. Yet the facts of military science will do little to stop the hawks of the West sounding off that Iran is irrational and that Iran is cooking up a plan to destroy Israel, and so must face regime change.

To grasp what is really occurring here we must look at how authoritarian Middle Eastern regimes (or, indeed, authoritarian regimes in general)  function. Authoritarian regimes  must maintain a cloak of authority. Tyrants do not attempt to look or sound weak; they try to project an aura of invincibility and indefatigability. We saw this during the last Gulf War, where Iraq’s information minister Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf — nicknamed Baghdad Bob in the American media — shot off hundreds of absurd statements during the war about how Iraqi troops were crushing the Americans, quite in contrast to the facts on the ground and right up until American tanks were rolling through the streets of Baghdad.

Baghdad Bob was not deluded. He was merely playing his role, and trying to project an aura of regime invincibility — providing propaganda for domestic consumption to keep the Iraqi population loyal to Saddam Hussein. It was a dog and pony show.

Iran’s belligerent rhetoric in this case is also strictly for domestic consumption — fierce rhetoric to keep the Iranian population fearful of the regime. Just like Baghdad Bob, the Iranian propaganda is far-removed from the real facts of the conflict. Whether the Iranian people really believe the regime’s propaganda — especially as the Iranian economy continues to worsen under sanctions — is dubious.

Yet one group of people — the Western neoconservatives, who are looking for another war — are more than happy to buy into the dog and pony “destroy Israel” bullshit.

As Robert Gates noted this week:

Painting a picture of internal political dysfunction in a dangerous world, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned Wednesday night that a U.S. or Israeli attack on Iran would have disastrous consequences.


Neither the United States nor Israel is capable of wiping out Iran’s nuclear capability, he said, and “such an attack would make a nuclear-armed Iran inevitable. They would just bury the program deeper and make it more covert.”


Iran could respond by disrupting world oil traffic and launching a wave of terrorism across the region, Gates said.


“The results of an American or Israeli military strike on Iran could, in my view, prove catastrophic, haunting us for generations in that part of the world.”

And as I wrote last month:

A regional war in the Middle East could result, potentially sucking in the United States and Eurasian powers like China, Pakistan and Russia. China and Pakistan have both hinted that they could defend Iran if Iran were attacked — and for good reason, as Iran supplies significant quantities of energy.

Frustratingly, the Iranian regime keep giving the neoconservatives more rope with which to hang themselves — and the West — on a cross of imperial overstretch, debt and blowback.


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Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:35 | 2864641 zed26
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Your source is the Jerusalem Post? An Zionist newspaper..


If Israel nuked Iran, Pakistan would nuke Israel and so would Russia so Israel would be wiped off the map.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:42 | 2864656 Earl of Chiswick
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This author of this article uses the term "rubbish"

I respectfully suggest that this article is rubbish.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:44 | 2864661 Randall Cabot
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Just those three paragraphs are from the Jerusalem Post.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:54 | 2864680 falak pema
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yes the sauce source is the  J Post but the cooked meal is of Aziz the chef. 

You guys won't give him a star for his cooking, he'll have to come up with another menu.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:59 | 2864691 Aziz
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Giving neocons an excuse to attack is the "insanity" I am talking about.

Read between the lines.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:13 | 2864717 Bay of Pigs
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Not your best. They are being choked to death economically and financially by Western banksters. Should they just lay down and die?

And I am reading between the lines.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:15 | 2864721 BattlegroundEur...
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Spot on.

The West have backed Iran in to a proverbial corner.  Do we really expect them to roll over and die without a fight?


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:34 | 2864735 strannick
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Such truthiness from our Jihadist Iranian leader is so inconvienient for our Isreal hating Progessive friends. The best rebuttle to the fantasy notion of Isreal's existence spoiling a potentially thriving pan Islamic Renaissane is simply to allow their dangerously comical leaders to express themselves.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:47 | 2865013's picture

The Iranians are definitely engaged in some justifiable chest beating which is nevertheless over the top. Such rhetoric is meant mainly for domestic consumption but gives ammunition to militant politicians in Israel and the US. The entire situation is insane. And if a fellow like Robert Gates is willing to go high profile with a condemnation of possible military strikes against Iran you know the situation is serious.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:48 | 2865315 francis_sawyer
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Fuck Israel...

Go ahead and go it alone against Iran if you have a death wish [but I'd prefer you just STFU]...  I've got my popcorn... I'm sick & tired of these pussy motherfuckers stealing other people's money & spilling other peoples blood for their cowardly objectives...

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:00 | 2865444 strannick
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Like I said, please feel free to fully express yourself. 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:41 | 2864726 Aziz
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Laying down and dying is not the only alternative to giving the neocon aggressors exactly what they want which is more "destroy Israel" rhetoric to give them an excuse to invade (which of course Iran cannot follow through on, so why talk about it?)

I think the Iranian leadership want the USA and Israel to attack them, like bin Laden wanted the USA to invade Afghanistan with the end goal being the bankruptcy of the American empire. If that is the case they will succeed in the long run — the US empire will die from bankruptcy, overstretch and blowback. But in the short run, that will mean a lot of pain for the Iranian people.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:14 | 2865133 Element
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The bankruptcy is the cure.

The debt is the disease.

Bankruptcy leads to growth.

From 1933 to 1936 there was spectacular economic re-growth, once the former criminal infested corrupt zombie banking system had finally died during the first half of 1933.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:06 | 2865462 Robot Traders Mom
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John-the US Military Industrial Complex will always have targets. Even if Iran bowed to the US/Israel, we would find other countries...


I think Iran wants to be left alone, like every other country in the world except the US/UK/Israel

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:03 | 2865886 piceridu
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If you can't come up with a viable false flag...cutoff food, exports and create one internally...i.e. Japan pre Pearl Harbor

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:21 | 2865147 falak pema
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Aziz, they don't need a real excuse, they do what they want when they want to. You are not thinking like a power player but like a moralist. 

Vietnam to today, its always been that way, even before specifically for Iran : 1953.

So the only brake on Pax Americana neo-con cake baking in Mid East is the law of diminishing returns which increases the returns for its adverseries. 

The American ship is now at tipping point although the ruling class, blue and red, won't admit it. 

The clerics of Iran are dogmatists, they have to live out their own dogma, as their internal power depends on it.

We are in a corrupt conundrum on both sides. 

That is the real danger, a Sarajevo type knee jerk.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:23 | 2865276 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Everybody ignores the fact that there is a cultural component. In Persian tradition, talking in hyperbole, particularly when addressing an enemy, is expected. But the words do not express what's really going on or what calculations are really being made: they're just bluster. We in the West take them seriously. Similarly throughout the Middle East it is standard procedure to lie to one's enemy, there's a different cultural standard applied to "truth-telling". In the Calvinist/Puritanical West, telling a lie is a "sin" and a sign of moral intransigence, over there it's not, it's just a method to deceive an enemy.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:59 | 2865338 Cathartes Aura
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. . . and yet here in the "Calvinist/Puritanical West" lies abound, the whole nationstate artifice is constructed of carefully obscured lies, taught in skool, repeated in kulture, aided by religion preachers, strings pulled by the banking class, and the "neo-cons" are merely another tentacle of the life-sucking story.

there is no "truth" in nationstate/religious mythology.  none.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:46 | 2865821 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Completely agree. Here's a nice list of the fabric of lies by Paul Craig Roberts:

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:34 | 2865963 Cathartes Aura
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I would say that the model of war-states, artificial boundaries drawn for the purpose of plunder & occupation, for the purpose of killing, for sport, is a major thread within the fabric.

add the worship of monies aided by the banking classes, the stock gamblers, the fast-talking fiat-makers, and you have a rather large piece of the reality of national-statehood.

and I know you know this.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 20:41 | 2866297 RichardP
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So lets get rid of nations and artificial boundaries and artificial monies and go back to tribes.  That will bring peace to everyone, right?  Tribes don't need no stinkin boundaries or mediums of exchange, right?  History shows that, when tribes dominate, peace reigns, right?

How about, it is the nature of man that is the problem.  Men will fight with each other whether there are nations and artificial boundaries or not.  The idea that we can ever get to any sort of state where man won't fight man is another candidate for Paul Craig Roberts' list of lies.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 22:48 | 2866590 Cathartes Aura
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someone (else) downvoted you. . .

it might surprise you that I agree with you,

Men will fight with each other whether there are nations and artificial boundaries or not.  The idea that we can ever get to any sort of state where man won't fight man. . .

it is most certainly the nature of men to constantly fight, and all the other fine attributes that I'll spare you a list of.  would that "cultures" could see and agree on this - but then what's the solution?  if anyone was actually seeking a solution to this perpetual problem, then we could begin to address it - but it's an eternal nature kind of thing, so we'll just have to suffer, eh.

if I ruled the world, I'd set aside a hot, deserty place and exile the fighters to their own little world, Fight ClubberZone, and that's where they could live in the style of their choosing.  anyone else wanting to partake of the meme, service them, feed them, whatever, would also be accommodated.  but no leaving until the SHIT gets beaten out of them, until they tired of their own. . . company.

the rest of the people who desired to live without war, rape, pillaging, theft, fighting, harassment, etc. - would be free to form their families as they see fit.  the idea of "tribes" definitely appeals - they'd be safe from plunder & competing tribes, so how fine would that be! 

of course, no gods would flourish, as special privileges for the lads bestowed on them by Sky-Fathers would also be History. . . can't see much to complain about. . .

the absence of "war" isn't "peace" - but it's a helluva start, to not be jerked around periodically by the banking interests in war profiteering, and the dudes who love weaponry.

peace RichardP, honestly.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:50 | 2864670 falak pema
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the dukes of nuke lands are comparing their relative nuke sizes...

None have the intention to use their lethal pokers; as they know that like for a drone bee you only get to use it once. Then you die...Do bees and wasp die after they sting a human

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:14 | 2865259 max2205
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Wars for the last 20 years and the future will be supported by Americans only if there aren't many us deaths. DoD knows this and plans for this.

No shit are we that fucking stupid.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 15:00 | 2865339 Cathartes Aura
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voluntary military, voluntary voters, yes, the stupid is thick.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:52 | 2865217 DosZap
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A regional war in the Middle East could result, potentially sucking in the United States and Eurasian powers like China, Pakistan and Russia. China and Pakistan have both hinted that they could defend Iran if Iran were attacked — and for good reason, as Iran supplies significant quantities of energy.


And herein lies the reasons for the hyperbole.Also, they are buying timew while they are methodically in the process of building nukes.

They KNOW there is no other way to destroy Israel,without Nuke capability.As for Pakistan nuking Isareal, that would be a two way deal............Whoever got theirs launched first wins.You think Paki will  take the chance of their copuntry being destroyed to defend Iran?.

Not me.

And if the good general thinks the US could not take out Irans Nuke facilities, he's smoking crack.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 20:45 | 2866305 RichardP
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They KNOW there is no other way to destroy Israel ...

How about Iran could develop an international coalition and consensus and the coalition could impose sanctions on Israel.  That would strangle Israel to death.  Iran has enough friends, and is powerful enough, that they could do that, right?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:33 | 2865292 nah
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does pakistan really have controll systems that are that good? have they tested their long range missile technology enough to really launch nukes to poor little israel and know their even going to hit anything...


even a jew


dont forget smart ass, the USA was landing people on the MOON in the 60's when most of this shit was built, its all acutally pretty complicated and dangerous, and I dont think the russians forgot how this really works


and whats a zionist anyways bitchez

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:39 | 2865306 slaughterer
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Nukes are good for my short portfolio.  Can someone from Goldman get over there and get them to push the red buttomn? 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 01:24 | 2866878 rotagen
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Yeah nevermind that GREASY warthog Netanyahoo's warmongering Encephalopathic Rhetoric.... Zero Hedge... You're starting to emit that loud SUCKING SOUND.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:43 | 2864642 Oh regional Indian
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C'mon Aziz, a few words in response to all-out subversive covert war and you're calling it insane?

How do you drown out a howling Banshee like Yahoo except with some wailing of your own?

Strange tenor to the article. Off balance.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:05 | 2864693 Aziz
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Read between the lines. The "insanity" is giving neocons exactly what they want — an excuse to attack.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:17 | 2865137 Oh regional Indian
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I'm questioning the very basis of yoru article. You come off like an MSM repeater with a thin veneer of angst.

No depth here. It's not a nuanced view to see that Iran is being HOUNDED. SURROUNDED. BOMBED. ASSASINATED. SANCTIONED.

They have every right to retaliate, not just in words.

Big Fail.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:16 | 2865921 Aziz
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Iran is being hounded, surrounded, bombed, assassinated and sanctioned. That's true enough.

So why the heck do they keep giving Israel and America ammunition to keep doing it by talking about obliterating Israel? Yes — they need to play the strongman in order to project a tough image and keep the regime credible. But this is like poking a hornet's nest with a stick. 

As I have written mutiple times on ZH, I think the real aggressors are the USA and Israel. But If Iran wants peace they need to stop the war rhetoric. The neocons will take any excuse they can find for war. Ultimately, the neocons are bankrupting the West, and an invasion of Iran may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. So I suppose this could work out well for Iran and their allies in the end. But it's a very dangerous game for the Iranian people and the people of the world.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:41 | 2865981 Cathartes Aura
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john, it is the script of nation-states to posture aggression.  you know this, it is embedded in the reality we all labour under.  once seen through, it becomes painfully obvious, this crotch-grabbing meme that leads to death, leads to the war profits, leads to destruction.

there are no "sides" but only the pervasive threat of devastation.  it's what states do, posture death.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:16 | 2865139 Element
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They don't need an excuse, they will make one up to order.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:38 | 2865181 dracos_ghost
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".. giving NEOCONS exactly what they want -- an excuse to attack". ?!

You sure it's not Obama needing an October surprise here. The Arab Spring was a disaster, gonna have to appease the Jewish Vote in Boca Raton by bombing Achmed. 

I believe ZH even posted a good article showing Obama and his Iranian sanctions pushing Iran into the proverbial corner. Are you saying Obama is a secret neocon operative? Oooo, gimme some popcorn, this is getting interesting. I bet you have some weak neocon argument for Fast and Furious too.

At the end of the day, fuck the whole region. This whole Middle East machismo is tiring. Somebody put up or STFU. Isn't it "sweeps week". Entertain me goddammit. 


Newsflash, neocon or progressive fascist(Obama), TPTB are the problem. Stop buying into the Hasting Pudding vs Whiffenpoofs punch and judy show. The rabbit hole is a whole lot deeper.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:41 | 2865978 Aziz
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Obama is a neocon.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:06 | 2866032 Cathartes Aura
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obama is a figurehead, an employee.

the only "sides" left are us v them.  vacate sides.

if you're going to post opinion blogs, make them power-full, dig deeper.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 19:31 | 2866190 Oldwood
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I'm tired of the neocon label. It is used to cover too much territory. And why do so many want to see obama as any kind of moderate or middle of the road guy. Stalin nor Mao had any reservations against imperialism. Are they neocons too?Are they not The posterchildren of socialism/communism? 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:05 | 2865246 LasVegasDave
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you dopes both miss the point.

The first move will be against Hezbollah.

Nasrallah will be incinerated, and southern lebanon bombed into a lunar landscape.

Remember, Hezbollah only exists at the pleasure of Israel. Their days are numbered.

Gaza is inconsequential and will be held in check with cash to turncoats. No one gives a rats ass about them, except, ironically, the Israelis.

Iran will then commit a typical cowardly act through proxies, and will be nuked as a lesson to the Umma.

Pakistan?  they will do nothing, as they have no dog in the fight.  Russia will sit back and watch their oil and gas holdings surge in value and will secretly applaud the Israelis for taking care of their Muslim problem


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:43 | 2865312 Element
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Davo, are you a moron or what?

The bombing of South Lebanon in July-Aug 2006, and Gaza in Jan 2009 and the maritime blockade of Gaza has destroyed the global image of Israel and has demolished its credibility entirely.  It's now seen for what it is by a large and growing section of humanity.  And there's also the clear evidence that 9-11 was also an Israeli attack.

You will be checking-out Davo.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:03 | 2865447 LasVegasDave
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we will all be checking out.

As to Israel's global image; it will always be shit, just as Jews will always be scapegoated for all the world's ills.

Its in the human DNA.

The only relevant question to me is what are the Jews prepared to do about it.

As long as there is .308 Winchester and the second amendment, I think they have a fighting chance

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:37 | 2864643 dumpster
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well this insane rhetoric stuff sounds like a presidental debate here in america .

or a homeland security press briefing , or a netenyohoo un speech on lines in sand

and most of the stuff out of iran is filtered by the insane usa press to mean something differnt then its intent

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:33 | 2864756 knukles
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If there were no rhetoric, there'd be no politicians

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:24 | 2865153 Oh regional Indian
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If there was no Rhetoric, there would be no Trivium.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 15:10 | 2865357 Cathartes Aura
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. . . ergo . . .


full circle insanity.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 01:31 | 2866885 Oh regional Indian
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Cogito ergo bum....


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:42 | 2864648 otto skorzeny
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Israel- something else that GB has created and the US has to deal with. Alot of this Iranian bullshit goes back to BP getting the CIA to topple a democratically elected Prez who wanted to nationalize Iranian oil.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:30 | 2864751 knukles
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Ever so very true, of the British birthing of much of the Middle Eastern mess.

Of BP:  BP's origins date back to the founding of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company in 1909, established as a subsidiary of Burmah Oil Company to exploit oil discoveries in Iran. In 1935, it became the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company and in 1954 British Petroleum.

courtesy, Wikipedia

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:40 | 2864649 zilverreiger
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What's crazy about that rethoric?

Israel should fuck off and mind their own business. Don't tread on them.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:02 | 2864695 Jack Burton
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I agree totally. What I read is a leader saying that "IF THEY ARE ATTACKED, THEY WILL FIGHT BACK". Anyone with a simple education can see this was not a threat to Israel, it was a promise to defend themselves when and if they are attacked by Israel. The US makes such statements about their defense all the time. Israel not only says these things, they carry them out. Attack Israel and they will attack you.

So we must ask why Iran has no right to claim they will defend themseleves without being called crazy. I bet you any amount of money that if Iran is NOT attacked, they will not attack Israel.

This is about Israel goading the USA into detroying another Muslim state like Iraq. Every Muslim state destroyed leaves Israel all the more powerful in the Middle East. Why would they not like that.

If the USA had not attacked the democratic Iran that existed before we put Shah "fuck head" on the throne and turned him lose to kill and torture his own people, Iran would NOT be the theocratic state it is today. It is "Blow Back" from our intervention in their democracy and our supprt for Shah "Fuck Head Murderer". Yet once again the poor USA and poor Israel just minding their own business are vicitims of evil Iran. What bullshit!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:21 | 2865142 Element
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And let's not forget the US and NATO are doing something (a program created by zionist duel-nationals within the US Treasury Dept) that is going to cause Iran to attack the US/NATO forces ...

i.e. just like they did with Nippon.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:23 | 2867735 BigJim
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 So we must ask why Iran has no right to claim they will defend themseleves without being called crazy.

FFS, what is it with people's reading comprehension today? What Aziz is saying is that the 'destroy Israel' rhetoric is crazy (irrespective of the threat being purely retaliatory) because Iran simply hasn't the military capabillity, and i) they know it, ii) we know it, and iii) they know we know it.

He's not saying that "Iran has no right to claim they will defend themseleves"

For the record, I think Aziz is wrong about an attack on Iran being ruinous to the West; if we do attack, we'll use the they've got nukes, and have threatened to use them on 'poor little Israel'! nonsense to bomb Iran back into the stone age, which, unfortunately, we could probably do several times over.

Which is why the 'destroy Israel' rhetoric is crazy. It just frees up our peace-loving leaders' hands to wage total war. You wouldn't want another holocaust, would you? AhMeDinnerJacket is the new Hitler, etc, etc, blah blah fucking blah

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:26 | 2864741 disabledvet
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"good fences make good neighbors." one of the my favorite lines ever. and of course a way of life in Upstate New York...or at least, it used to be...of course i don't mind open concept either. "masses armies in the field" work for me just fine. provided they're well led of course...and motivated.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:01 | 2865443 DosZap
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What's crazy about that rethoric?

Israel should fuck off and mind their own business. Don't tread on them.



Really?, put yourself in their shoes.What if you were one of them?.

10 million-+/-  Izzies v.s.1.8 Billion,Arabs/Persians,  who hate them, surrounded on all sides, and they are always the villans.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:26 | 2867820 BigJim
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 Really?, put yourself in their shoes.What if you were one of them?

Um, what, a thief of someone else's land? A racial supremacist? A beneficiary of decades of vicious ethnic cleansing?

put yourself in their shoes.What if you were one of them? 

Can you be a bit more explicit, please? 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:41 | 2864650 st0n3dCabbag3
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Aziz your summary show how little you know about Iran and the Mid East in general. Stick to economics not geo politics. You think Israel could actually use its nukes in the event of a war against Iran? Pull the other one. Israel would most likely be the aggressor in such a war, and could not use nukes just because it 'wasn't going their way'. Russia / China would not allow it, they would be wiped off the map. Last article I read of yours.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:03 | 2864699 Aziz
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Of course Israel is the aggressor, but if they were attacked then they would have free licence to retaliate. The point is that Iran isn't going to attack.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:17 | 2864724 disabledvet
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really? they already are Aziz. perhaps you missed the point of your own piece. "in all the hubub i kinda lost track" of course.
i'm sorry..."you gotta know" too?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:22 | 2865151 Element
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If I stole your ability to live a stable bearable life, would you attack me for that?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:40 | 2864652 Pseudo Anonym
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Via the Jerusalem Post: nuf said; self-serving; not credible

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:12 | 2865135's picture

Right. One should not keep track of what the opposition is up to.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:39 | 2865298 Pseudo Anonym
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zionists running the jerusalem post make shit up all the time, misrepresent, misinterpret, lie, twist words and assign meanings to statements to serve their own agenda.  it's not credible.  who here is a native speaker to verify that j-post is not making that shit up yet again to stir up shit?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:03 | 2865455 DosZap
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zionists running the jerusalem post make shit up all the time, misrepresent, misinterpret, lie, twist words and assign meanings to statements to serve their own agenda. it's not credible. who here is a native speaker to verify that j-post is not making that shit up yet again to stir up shit?

Sounds vaugely familar with another MSM group eh?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:34 | 2865769's picture

You're really good at missing the point. Credibility has nothing to do with it. But if you prefer to remain ignorant of what those whom you oppose are doing and saying then by all means go right ahead and bury your head in the sand.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 00:54 | 2866824 Pseudo Anonym
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ok, even though I am not a native speaker but given j-post's past record, I would say that the zionists running the jerusalem post made that shit up, misrepresented, misinterpreted, lied, twisted words and assigned meanings to statements to serve their own agenda just to stir shit up yet again.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:40 | 2864653 zed26
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Israel also needs to stop getting other people to fight its wars...they are pure cowards

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:24 | 2865155 Element
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Try devious users and betrayers.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:40 | 2864655 I am Jobe
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Let me pour myself a drink first. Ok, it's football season and perverted football palyers just want to be meatheads and suck each other in the locker rooms or fuck the cheerleaders and could care less about this. They can;t even point out on a map where Iran is.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:42 | 2864658 Randall Cabot
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“If such a war does happen, it would not be a long war, and it would benefit the entire Islamic umma the global community of Muslims. We have expertise in fighting wars of attrition and Israel cannot fight a war of attrition,” Shirazi said, referring to Iran’s eight-year war of attrition against Iraq."

israel is already losing the war of attritition-they are being ourbred and they don't have enough water.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:06 | 2864708 Aziz
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Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:18 | 2864725 bank guy in Brussels
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Even the inner core of neocon Jewish warmongers are starting to say Israel won't be here next decade:

« Reported to me, Henry Kissinger has stated — and I quote the statement word for word: "In 10 years, there will be no more Israel."

I repeat: "In 10 years, there will be no more Israel." ... »

« Sixteen US intelligence agencies with a combined budget over USD70 billion have issued an 82-page analysis titled 'Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East.' ...

Interestingly, neither Henry Kissinger nor the authors of the US Intelligence Report give any sign that they are going to mourn the demise of Israel. This is remarkable, given that Kissinger is Jewish ... »

Cindy Adams in the New York Post, 17 Sep 2012

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:34 | 2864759 Christophe2
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I think Kissinger is saying that for political reasons: he wants the Zionist supporters (Jews, mainly) to freak out and give more money and support to the mad gambit by Netanyahoo.


Can you imagine the reaction most brainwashed Jews would have to hear that their Israel would be no more in 10 years, that they would have no safe place to go to when shit hits the fan (due to their elites' systemic fraud and abuse)?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 15:19 | 2865376 Cathartes Aura
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Can you imagine the reaction most brainwashed Americans would have to hear that their US would be no more in 10 years, that they would have no safe place to go to when shit hits the fan (due to their elites' systemic fraud and abuse)?

pretty much works for any one who believes "their" nationstate rules the globe. . .

so busy waving flags, watching the cheerleaders, fantasy-league, keeping scores.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:43 | 2865984 Christophe2
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Not sure the comparison works entirely: no other country in the world is an apartheid state like Israhell, with legions of sayanim resources abroad.


No other country exists in a state of being that lionizes and practices nazi ideals (racial supremacy and the treatment of palestinians as cattle / goy), including military conquest and constant false flag terrorism.

=> The US is equally Nazi-led, but at least the ideals of the nation aren't based (openly) on being a vicious parasite of humanity!


(hence the flaw in the program is even more acute and should be rejected more frequently)

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 18:24 | 2866076 Cathartes Aura
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well, I wasn't going for a measuring contest between the two imaginary nationstates, merely pointing out the ease of language to describe national believers.

but I'll respond to,

The US is equally Nazi-led, but at least the ideals of the nation aren't based (openly) on being a vicious parasite of humanity!

and perhaps refute with the resource-gobbling meme, amrkns are 5% of world population, using 25% of world "resources" - it's an opinion that's out there.

I don't defend the role of the parasite, but I might be persuaded that it's a complimentary relationship based on duplicity, and disinformation, perpetuated.  hint:  what exactly is the story of inception, and who benefits?


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:39 | 2864820 galis
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again with your crap bgb


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:52 | 2864674 Magnum
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The real insanity, the clinical insanity, is found among the paranoid schizophrenic people of Israel. The willingness of others around the world to believe israeli propaganda is an important case study. But if you are looking for true clinical psychosis then look no further than the average Israeli.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:22 | 2864736 Gashole
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Why don't you visit?  There is a real sense of purpose and mission in the country.  It is truly a purpose driven life.  It has allowed Jews in general and Israelis in particular to achieve so much despite so few numbers with the deck so stacked against us.


Living well is the best revenge and we live better than you. 


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:28 | 2864744 disabledvet
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thanks for the invite. I can't wait to arrive....

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:10 | 2865128 Oh regional Indian
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And get frisked and profiled by  !!!Gasp!!! Gestapo like entry interrogation.

Thank yew very much.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:45 | 2864922 blabam
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You don't even know where the dude lives...

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:57 | 2865099 Christophe2
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I think that the hatred that most Jews seem to have for goy is amply apparent to all visitors of "the holy land".  (many videos abound highlighting this).


That being said, I don't hate even the hateful Israelis, I pity them while I strive to negate their evil ways.  You really should realize how much you are manipulated.  You are goy to your elites and you don't even realize it:

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:57 | 2865102 Totentänzerlied
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Just for laughs:

"Why don't you visit?  There is a real sense of purpose and mission in the country.  It is truly a purpose driven life.  It has allowed Germans in general and Nazis in particular to achieve so much despite so few numbers with the deck so stacked against us.

Living well is the best revenge and we live better than you."

Sounds about right.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 15:35 | 2865401 Cathartes Aura
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yes indeed, the nationstate model has flag-wavers in every colour, variety, each with a "different" Sky-God to justify their behaviours. . .

when one steps outside of the circle, meme, matrix, whatever - one sees the pattern more clearly, it  is that obvious.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:03 | 2865114 KK Tipton
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Ancient motivations? Or marketed memes?


"There is a real sense of purpose and mission in the country."

"It has allowed Jews in general and Israelis in particular to achieve so much despite so few numbers with the deck so stacked against us."

"we live better than you"

"In Year 9 ( 1344/1342 BC ), Akhenaten strengthened the Atenist regime, declaring the Aten to be not merely the supreme god, but the only god, a universal deity, and forbidding worship of all others, including the veneration of idols, even privately in people's homes—an arena the Egyptian state had previously not touched in religious terms. Aten was addressed by Akhenaten in prayers, such as the Great Hymn to the Aten: "O Sole God beside whom there is none". The Egyptian people were to worship Akhenaten; only Akhenaten and Nefertiti could worship Aten."

"Because of the possible monotheistic character of Atenism, a link to Judaism (and subsequently the monotheistic religions springing from it) has been suggested by various writers. For example, psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud assumed Akhenaten to be the pioneer of monotheistic religion and Moses as Akhenaten's follower in his book Moses and Monotheism (see also Osarseph)."


A small city of sun worshippers with tribute flowing in from all over Egypt. Of course it was a nice life.
Then reality intruded.

Secrets of the Exodus: The Egyptian Origins of the Hebrew People: Messod Sabbah,Roger Sabbath,Art Banta,Lois Banta: 9781581153194: Books -



Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:18 | 2865140's picture



Why don't you visit?  There is a real sense of purpose and mission in the country.  It is truly a purpose driven life.  It has allowed Jews in general and Israelis in particular to achieve so much despite so few numbers with the deck so stacked against us.


Leni Riefenstahl is that you?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:29 | 2865170 Element
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The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel

Written in 1985 by Jack Bernstein

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:35 | 2865177 optimator
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"Living well is the best revenge and we live better than you ". 

Madoff's money wired from his Swiss accounts, billions from the U.S. in cash and loan forgiveness, U.S. technology sold to China.....Free land to "settle" on..

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:39 | 2868090 BigJim
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 Why don't you visit?  There is a real sense of purpose and mission in the country.  It is truly a purpose driven life.  It has allowed Jews in general and Israelis in particular to achieve so much despite so few numbers with the deck so stacked against us.

LOL, every time an Israeli speaks I can imagine a Nazi saying almost exactly the same thing back in 1937... the same racism, the same nationalism, the same exceptionalism and special pleading.

Anyone who militantly defines themselves by their otherness will get an equal and opposite reaction from those they consider the 'others'. That is the eternal nature of anti-Semitism; it's merely the mirror image of Semitism.

Living well is the best revenge and we live better than you.

Having a bunch of self-defined racial supremicists as my countrymen isn't my idea of living well. Enjoy the hell you've made for yourselves, robber.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:38 | 2865186 Jake88
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Please folks. Isreal has its interest of self preservation here. The danger here is the US interest. That is what could lead to world war. Defense of Isreal is the only the US cover. Maintenance of US hegemony is the end game.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 15:40 | 2865408 Goatboy
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Israeli government and broader establishment might be (and most likely are) insane, zealous, devoid of reality, violent etc but spitting on average (conditioned by insanity of that same government) Israeli citizen is really not correct. Even if they are what you say its because of early school system and whole bullshit narrative of "land promised by god" which it seems they cannot surpass as long as they live in a country which desperately perpetuates such myths however it can. Same is with US, Iran, North Korea or any other country and its average people.

Not cool.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:56 | 2864681 Winston Churchill
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Yet another economist that should leave realpolitik well alone.

As much as the Zionist's and neocons have tried to goad Iran into   justified

retaliation against the acts of war perpertrated upon them,cooler heads are holding

sway.When the war comes,and come it will,it will be about the petrodollar, and

nothing else.I do not see how that war will not be fought with nuclear weapons.

Hope I'm wrong, but........

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:56 | 2864682 mick_richfield
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The name 'Aziz' means 'mighty' or 'respectable'.

It does not mean  'shill', or 'follower', or 'prostitute'.

Authoritarian regimes hire people to write for them on the internet, in an attempt to trivialize their enemies and create a perception of widespread support.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:08 | 2864703 disabledvet
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no shit. the Iranians know damn well they don't need to use a nuke...which while begging the question why are they so stupid as to believe they need one ("my name is ahmadinajad and i'm an idiot. ... hello ahmadinijad) since when is the entire Iranian population our enemy and are the American people prepared for the consequences of such a policy? (the what policy they ask?) ...does not take seriously the threat not just of Iran but of the threat we might be creating my making them into our mortal enemy. Could it be that the USA has an enemy in its midst and wishes to cover its tracks Aziz?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:35 | 2865175 Element
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Exactly. Did the Afghani's need nukes to see-off the Soviets?

Nope, they just needed a big-power backer, keen religious fervour, and time did the rest.

Which is what the the crazy Iranian threatened ... a war of attrition.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 11:58 | 2864688 icanhasbailout
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Insane rhetoric is universal. John McCain sang "Bomb Iran" to the tune of "Barbara Ann", on the campaign trail no less.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:09 | 2864710 Aziz
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The insanest thing I've read is the Patrick Clawson stuff about "crisis intiation".

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:06 | 2865122 Zwelgje
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Treason on the telly.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:02 | 2864689 lolmao500
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Guest post : America's insane rhetoric...

Israeli Minister Agrees Ahmadinejad Never Said Israel ‘Must Be Wiped Off the Map’

Guest post : Bibi's insane rhetoric :

New Scientific Study Predicts 85,000 Casualties, “Devastating Consequences” for Iran Attack

An attack on…Isfahan and the Enrichment Plant at Natanz would release existing stocks of fluorine and fluorine compounds which would turn into hydrofluoric acid, a highly reactive agent that, when inhaled, would make people “drown in their lungs,” as one scientist put it.…Once airborne, at lethal concentrations, these toxic plumes could kill virtually all life forms in their path. Depending on the volume of chemicals stored at the facilities, population densities around the sites, and prevailing wind and meteorological conditions, tens of thousands of workers and civilians in Isfahan and…in Natanz could be exposed to toxic plumes. These plumes could destroy their lungs, blind them, severely burn their skin, and damage other tissues and vital organs.

An attack on the Bushehr reactor would:

…Pose a grave environmental and economic threat to civilians in Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. It would not only devastate the important business centers and fishing communities of the Persian Gulf, but also contaminate desalination plants, port facilities and oil fields. To gain an approximate idea of the economic consequences of a strike on Bushehr, one should consider that the government of Belarus has estimated the economic cost of Chernobyl to exceed $200 billion

Let's see the insane SCOTUS rhetoric now :

Your right to resell your own stuff is in peril

It could become illegal to resell your iPhone 4, car or family antiques

At issue in Kirtsaeng v. John Wiley & Sons is the first-sale doctrine in copyright law, which allows you to buy and then sell things like electronics, books, artwork and furniture as well as CDs and DVDs, without getting permission from the copyright holder of those products.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2864714 Aziz
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Iran is guilty of insane rhetoric.

Israel and America are guilty of insane actions.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:20 | 2864731 lolmao500
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And normal people only care about actions, not rhetoric. Only shills care about rhetoric.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:25 | 2864739 Aziz
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Rhetoric matters if it gives a neocon the excuse to attack you. 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:31 | 2864752 disabledvet
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How about an American? You got a problem with one of them attacking you?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:22 | 2865149's picture

Seems like a lot of folks can't read past a headline. Sad.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 14:48 | 2865195 Element
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In just the last 3 to 4 weeks Iranian MILITARY commanders have in fact threatened to physically wipe out and completely eliminate Israel, >IF< Iran is attacked by either Israel or the US.

The Iranians want to deter pending attack and this is the other way of doing it.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2864715 boiltherich
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The fact remains that Israel has nuclear weapons and a nuclear second strike, and Iran has no such thing,


Keep hoping, hey I know, if you say it often enough it becomes the truth. 

Your pal in Iran says this...

The Holocaust

The conversation was contentious at times, particularly when the topic turned to the Nazi Germany extermination of the Jews last century. Ahmadinejad has long questioned the existence of the Holocaust.

"I pass no judgment about historic events. I defend the human freedoms. Whatever event has taken place throughout history, or hasn't taken place, I cannot judge that. Why should I judge that? I say researchers and scholars must be free to conduct research and analysis about any historical event," the Iranian president said.


"I'm sorry. Let me ask you this. Do you believe that anyone is giving birth through homosexuality? Homosexuality ceases procreation. Who has said that if you like or believe in doing something ugly, and others do not accept your behavior, that they're denying your freedom?" he asked Morgan.

"Proper education must be given ... the education system must be revamped. The political system must be revamped. And these must be also reformed, revamped along the way. But if you, if a group recognizes an ugly behavior or ugly deed as legitimate, you must not expect other countries or other groups to give it the same recognition."




So it is nice to know there is a neocon version of Iranians.  Anybody supporting this fascist asshole deserves to glow in the dark with him when his day comes to reap the nuclear whirlwind he has sown. 


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:20 | 2864733 Gashole
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Why don't you think about intent for a change? Many Palestinians, Many Iranins, Hezbollah, Hamas would kill everything on Israeli soil if they could without hesitation or concern for the consequences.

Many douchebags on this board would do the same.


Israel has had that ability for decades and has withheld.  

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:39 | 2864811 disabledvet
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really? you're willing to forego "the aid packages" you say? and all those Christians..."the hard right wing" as they are called here in the USA...that's faux support in your view? of course "they are all from the South" and all that i'm sure you'd say. Trust me...from my end you haven't withheld one bit. does you do right here...right now.. "their motivational level is high Mein Fuhrer." and this does not salt my wound in the least...because unlike you i know what it takes...EXACTLY what it bring those soldiers home. I leave it to events of it my wont..."by way of explanation" as it were.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:27 | 2865163 Oh regional Indian
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Actually the bigger question, the fundamental one, who gave Balfour the right to sign his declaration?

What made it enforcable?

Why is Israel called a State and not a Nation? Gashole? Can you answer that? WOrds are important.

Why is it th eState of Israel and not the nation of Israel?

Who is Israel a state of?

You are indoctrinated sheep. Wake the fuck up.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:03 | 2865454 Cathartes Aura
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yes!  get definitions of the words used, all-ways.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 16:44 | 2865812 galis
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how about me buying you a round trip to syria Iran and Israel?

you don"t approve our right for a state or a country or a nation but you critisize each and every move we make.

so what the fuck? what are we suppose to do ? smell kary?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:07 | 2865123 lolmao500
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All of you crazy people should be put in New Zealand with each of you given a knife so you can kill each other without the world suffering because of it.

Any fucker who wants to kill people is sent to New Zealand.

- Religious extremists, neo-cons and ``Glass parking lot`` people mostly. You warmonger?? ARRESTED AND DEPORTED TO NEW ZEALAND.

Then the world can be finally at peace without you sacks of shit who destroy everything.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:11 | 2865129 Overfed
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New Zealand is such a nice place. How about Liberia instead?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 19:11 | 2866162 Tompooz
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"- Religious extremists, neo-cons and ``Glass parking lot`` people mostly."


Now I understand why Israeli billionaires have bought thousands of hectares of NZ land...

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:15 | 2864720 galis
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why do you expect from israeli politician more then you ask from your own?

that double standard , for the eu ones . the americans ...

and on the other hand to the israeli. (in my eyes they more close then apart)

although some credit is due to the only true democratic state in the middle east.



Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:26 | 2865154's picture

My tax money supports Israel but I have no vote there. Hardly democratic. If American Zionists can be dual citizens I demand the same right and a chance to vote against the guy with the cartoon bomb.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:16 | 2864722 zed26
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The fact remains that everyone can have their own views on anything they want, but they dont have to steal other peoples land like Israel does and start endless wars.

Not forgetting getting other countries to fight its wars becuse they are cowards.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:26 | 2864740 galis
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zed we are fighting to our sorrow for the past 60 years stright, what are you talking about?

and if we lose once , only once , did you watch those clips on cnn that show dead kids and families in sirya , libya and more?

they have no value to human lives. is that what you wish for us? to fall into that?

and then you will feel sorry for us?

not gonna happen.

and we didnt stole any land. from who?  the sheep growers?

how can you steal something that is yours from the first place?

have you ever seen all the archiologic sites in israel and jerusalem?

man , Ill get you the full tour

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:30 | 2864753 zed26
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ive been to Israel/palestine thanks and i plan to go again next year, if you want you can add me via a messenger and we can discuss this in detail. I'm not fussed either way

You talk about the value of human lifes?  Israelis have no value on palestinians lives or anyone thats not pro zionist.

I dont feel sorry for military occupiers and people who believe in supremacist ideas.


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:50 | 2865089 zed26
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Zionists and anyone else who believes they are gods chosen people lack empathy

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:27 | 2865165's picture

I'm God's favorite and don't any of you forget it!

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 17:07 | 2865892 galis
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zed , next time you come i want to meet you.

now , if we do not have value to human life how come we let 100,000 palestinians each day to work in Israel ? did you know that Israel built all universities inthe west bank , we wanted them to be educated but instead they went gihadist...

anyway , please remember that each coin got 2 sides, and we still remember the suicide atacks and rocket atacks on Israeli cities. so it is not so simple as some people here try to picture.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:12 | 2865134 Zwelgje
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you have no shame.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:17 | 2864723 Scirocco
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Belligerent rhetoric ???

If someone tells you he will beat you, and you say you will punch him back is that belligerent rhetoric ?

They just say if Israel bombs us, we will retaliate... That is called self defense.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:22 | 2864734 tony bonn
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the war against iran has been in the works since before 9/11....see general wesley clark on the is utterly imbecilic to suppose that the neocons are not stirring up a war in the middle east....they are lying just as they did gulf 1 and 2. and the fuckers even lie about the chemicals and toxins the troops absorbed while in both wars, with hillary the bitch liar in chief on the subject....

the only patriotic act is to bring every single american troop home and load cheney, rumsfeld, bushes, bolton, and the entire foxnews staff in a helecopter (along with berankula) and drop them on riyadh

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:43 | 2864890 disabledvet
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thank God the "neo-dems" are so different.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:29 | 2864747 sschu
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Read The Closed Circle, this will give you a look into the Arab mind.  Yes, I know, Iran is Persian, but many of the same ideas apply.  Read also The Haj for a good perspective.

Their culture is based upon shame/honor/retribution, unlike western nations where it is much more about forgiveness/repentance.  This makes a Bagdad Bob scenario completely understandable.

They are much more tribal and spend much of their time trying to hose over their enemies.  To maintain their honor they need to extract revenge for real/perceived injustices.  So they are very sophisticated politically, but are stuck in the stone age from much of a societal perspective.

All that is happening, the Arab Spring, etc is consistent with their world view.  Muslim Brotherhood is the new boss in town.




Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:43 | 2864893 zed26
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Fogiveness?Repentance? What history you been reading??

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:32 | 2865173's picture



Their culture is based upon shame/honor/retribution, unlike western nations where it is much more about forgiveness/repentance.


Millions have been killed, injured and displaced by the American response to the 3,000 deaths on 9/11. In other words, what the hell are you talking about?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:35 | 2864761 Joebloinvestor
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12th century thinking and 21st century technology.

I hope the Iranian "clergy" has a Michael Corleone "christening" moment.

The only way Iranians are gonna be "free".

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:37 | 2865182's picture

The Turk told Michael (in Italian) that he came after the Godfather because he had "old ideas" which blinded him to the profits in the heroin trade. But of course Vito and his old ideas were right all along. And now you set your sights on Iranians because you say they have old ideas. Be careful it isn't you having a "dinner at Louis'" moment with Michael.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:39 | 2864814 gnomon
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Every official statement and covert and overt action by Iran since the Shah fell have revealed a very dangerous, messianic regime intent on regional domination at the expense of all of its neighbors.  And the key to achieving that goal is to eliminate Israel.  They are doubly motivated towards that goal for both religious and geopolitical reasons with regime survival as the icing on the cake.

Hatred for Israel and The Great Satan, The United States, is their reason for being, their end-all be-all.

And the astounding refusal of the above posters to recognize that fact shows how divorced from reality they are.  And they are so divorced from reality because of being imbued with a left-wing ideology and a self-loathing that threatens the survival of The West.

They put down MAD MULLAHS, don't they?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:58 | 2865105 Bay of Pigs
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"divorced from reality", LOL. Thanks for the chuckle.

How's that serious case of Cog Dis coming along for you?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:40 | 2865190's picture



Benjamin Netanyahu Ordered to Hasten Jewish Messiah's Coming

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:50 | 2868146 BigJim
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 And they are so divorced from reality because of being imbued with a left-wing ideology and a self-loathing

'Left wing'? What, people who dislike Israel for its intrinsic racism are also in favor of the state ownership of the means of production? And they also hate themselves?


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:47 | 2864892 JOYFUL
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Ysreal has given up on the strike against Iran for the moment, as they know it would destroy the leverage that they currently have with the presidential puppedates....any unilateral move would cause the YSA military command to finally come out of it's coma and simply refuse compliance if ordered to support a Sionist first strike.

Iran knows this too... it's 'rhetoric' is exclusively in support of the Syrian ally. Although it cannot stop Zato from ramping up the phony Sunni\Shia conflict (which the sionist entity designed to destroy the Muslim world)  it can refuse to allow Ysrael to mass it's forces on the Golan Heights, in an attempt to subject the Syrian military to  threat of a pincer attack and inducing a fatal division of strength when Zato attacks from the north.

Ysrael knows the price they will pay for that move would be much to high -Hezbollah tactical manoeuverability and depth of training so far outweigh the capabllity of the conscript sionist rabble at this juncture that if they are unleashed by command of Tehran, the Lebanon based Shiite militias will destroy the myth of Ysraeli military prowess forever.  Iranian military tacticians are much much smarter than they are credited for...they are fighting their next war far from Iranian territory...pretty 'insane' huh?

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 15:15 | 2865084 Element
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I see it this way;

Israel's nutjobs spent months unloading propaganda and dire threats, inciting pre-emptive CONVENTIONAL attack on Iran, so now because the threats were growing more strident and demanding for action, various Iranian nutjobs are setting about to deter any attack and making clear that via CONVENTIONAL means they can cause more pain than it is ever going to be worth.

And this has worked, the US Joint Chiefs are vocally against it, Robert Gates is firmly against it and US investigative and security agencies are also now openly talking out against the dangers of supporting Israeli policies and demands.  This has all come about within just the past 6 weeks.  They are sending a message that the US is not going to attack Iran.

The US is the only serious strategic high level threat for Iran as Teheran knows Israel can not launch an effective CONVENTIONAL attack, and any ineffective conventional attack would do them great damage by causing the whole region to realise how limited and ineffective their actions become at such a range.  They also know Israel is really calling on the USN and Marines to attack.

Thus the CONVENTIONAL threats being issued at Israel are very much directed at US/NATO forces in the region, to make sure they better not fall for an Israeli attempt to start something, because they will close the gulf within "24 hours", if they have a sufficient reason to do so.

Clearly there will not be any large-scale CONVENTIONAL attack coming from Israel, Iran knows it, and any use of nukes by Israel would lead to the certain destruction of Israel.  It wouldn't matter if it took years, Israel would definitely be destroyed if they ever used nukes aggressively.

That is a "propaganda message", sure.  But it's also a warning and a statement of their intent to fight a conventional strategic war of attrition with Israel (and inside it) and also against US/NATO fleet units and ground forces.  This is also a part of the propaganda message and is intended to be heard by the US and European general public.

If/when Iran starts making more specific threats and demands about the sanctions for the western NATO world to hear and also starts taking aggressive but low-level action towards US/NATO forces and ships, that's when we'll have a real problem that's not going to go away, and we can easily end up in a war of attrition ... that may not even look like it ... at first.

My guess is they will not do much before the US election.  After that we could see the Iranians start to apply pressure, both military, economically and geopolitical against the West (like tell shipping it has 48 hours to leave the gulf, or be sealed in it, maybe limpet-mine a few hulls as well with small charges to punctuate this, and thus send oil prices and geopolitical tensions soaring in a way that can not be just ignored).

I think this becomes more likely as Europe slips further into recession and the US is consumed by the next debt-ceiling shit-fight, and the economy, currency, bonds, dollar and national prestige all take a beating.

This will also be about the same time that Iran has had quite enough and is ready to act to change this hegemonic dynamic in their near-region.

But if senior military and intelligence are currently stating their disinterest in attacking Iran at all, then this is the cue for the political puppets in Washington to get the message and withdraw the sanctions in order to develop a much less aggressive stance.  As long as those sanctions stay in place the chances of an Iranian closure of the gulf and attack on regional oil infrastructure grows in order to force the sanctions to be removed in a very globally economicly and geopoliticly destructive way.

I have no doubt the Knesset and the duel-national traitors in the US Treasury would love to see that outcome, and that's why these sanctions, and the ones that the duel-nationals in Europe have applied, be removed before Iran forcibly imposes sanctions on the whole western world.

Once the gulf oil infrastructure has been destroyed it will stay that way for a long time, and bring the whole world undone.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:12 | 2865088 earleflorida
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Israel's... "All Mighty David" was the Adolf Hitler of our time... read up my dear boy- period!

...hence, rhetorical amplitude will strike a favorable ambiance of servitude, only when the world finally flat-lines from this failed historical timeline of a serendipitous inane juxtaposed-gospel of righteousness...

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:52 | 2865093 Atomizer
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NBC Andrea Mitchell decides to dress up for Halloween. Again, propaganda at its finest- 09.17.2010

Another Islamic poser, Ann Curry's interview 09. 13. 2011

CNN Fareed Zakaria interview with President Ahmadinejad 10.23.2011


Clock advances in time.. Here we go again..

Iran's president ranges far in interview: talks Israel, slams homosexuality -09.25.2012

Here is your money shot..

Study: Number of gay characters on TV at an all-time high 

Inserts [Circus Music] 

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 12:54 | 2865096 Father Lucifer
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I'd bet most of the world is jist sick and tired of Israel and are waiting for an excuse to do something about it. If they had the balls to use use a nuke it would be open season and we all go to hell.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:06 | 2865120 roadhazard
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I've seen Jewish posters plastered in subway tunnels in NY saying something like, "civilized people have to stick together against the SAVAGES".  The savages being the Muslims.

I think they are All a bunch of trigger happy savages.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:58 | 2865225 Element
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Spay can and write "9-11" over the poster.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:14 | 2865136 Fix It Again Timmy
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It takes a psychopath to rise to the position of a leader, now that's not exactly a credible formula for establishing and maintaining civilized societies...


Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:44 | 2865161 Jake88
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Why would a former defense secretary tell the world essentially that we have no military option. Please. Could it be that the increase in sensless disinformation is a signal we are close to war.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:42 | 2865196 DosZap
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Forget them, as the resident loved/hated world traveler brings this to the attention of Business Insider.

Sun, 10/07/2012 - 13:50 | 2865212 Judge
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Bet you said the same thing when Bin Laden was issuing his threats....  and 3200 people died, along with 10,000 US troops so far.  But I don't expect you to take responsiblity for your inablity to judge islamic zeal/jihad from phoney propaganda. 

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