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Guest Post: Decline, Decay, Denial, Delusion, And Despair

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

The majority of Americans seem OK with just waddling through life, accepting the lies and misinformation blasted from the boob tube and their various iGadgets by their owners, gorging themselves to death on Twinkies and Cheetos, paying 15% interest on their $10,000 rolling credit card balance, and growing ever more dependent on the welfare/warfare state to provide and protect them from accepting personal responsibility for their lives. A minority of critical thinking people have chosen to question everything they see and hear being spewed at us by the propagandist mainstream media, the corporate fascist government, and the powerful banking cabal that has an iron grip upon our throats as they choke the life out of the global economy in their never ending desire for more riches and more power.

The decline of the Great American Empire cannot be attributed to one factor or one bogeyman. There are a multitude of factors, villains, and choices made by the American people that have led to our moral, civil, social, and economic decline. The kabuki theater that passes for our electoral process is little more than a diversion from our imminent fate. Neither candidate for President has any intention of changing the course of the U.S. Titanic. Our rendezvous with destiny has been charted, and there aren’t nearly enough lifeboats. Those who built the ship and recklessly navigated it into a sea of icebergs will be the 1st into the few lifeboats. The leaders we’ve chosen, the choices we’ve made, and our unwillingness to deal with facts and reality have set in motion a disaster that cannot be averted. It’s a shame the majority of Americans have the math aptitude of a 6th grader, because the unsustainability of our empire can be calculated quite easily. Math is hard for Americans, but denial and delusion are easy.      

Oddly, a couple of late September days in Wildwood NJ were able to crystalize many of the aspects of our cultural and economic decline in my mind. I should have just enjoyed the 72 degree temperatures, a few beers, and the freedom to read a book on my deck. I wish I was just oblivious to my surroundings, but my weekend in Wildwood NJ was an eye opener.

Everywhere I turned I saw something that made me laugh, shake my head in disgust, or wonder how our government could have become so inane, incompetent and out of control. We all generalize based upon our preconceived beliefs, but sometimes what you see is what you get. The weekend started normally with a morning bike ride on the boardwalk with my wife and son to the Hereford lighthouse in North Wildwood. Along the way we passed the usual suspects on the boardwalk: the obese, the tattooed, the pierced, and the blue haired. I wish I was exaggerating, but I saw a dozen hoveround and rascal scooters carrying extremely obese Americans on par with this person:


If I wanted to be politically correct, I’d call the fat asses cruising on their “free” rascal scooters, the weight challenged disabled on their powered mobility enhancement vehicles. You know a trend has become a massive scam, when South Park dedicates an entire show to the shame of obesity and the scooter brigade. The majority of the scooter squad jamming up the boardwalk was less than 50 years old. They weren’t disabled. They were just too obese and lazy to wobble down the boardwalk to the next junk food joint. They were certainly in the right place. The Wildwood boardwalk is home to pizza topped with cheese fries, chocolate covered bacon, fried Oreos, funnel cake topped with powdered sugar, and 64 ounce sugar laced lemonade. The place would make Nanny Bloomberg’s head explode.




We’ve all seen the commercials for the Scooter store urging anyone on Medicare to rush in and get a power scooter or wheelchair “at little or no cost to you”. The entitlement “free shit” mentality permeates our culture. There is a cost and it is over $800 million per year, paid for by the 53% who pay Federal taxes.  Records from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services show that the cost of motorized scooters and wheelchairs to the government health service for senior citizens rose 179% between 1999 and 2009, the last year for which full records are available. This data is fascinating as the number of Americans over the age of 65 only increased by 18% over this same time frame. The bill in 1999 was $259 million; in 2009 it was $723 million – and is surely over $1 billion today. This is another billion dollar scam being funded by your tax dollars, but there are no spending cuts possible according to our beloved Congressmen.

A recent report by Medicare’s inspector general also showed that 61% of the motorized wheelchairs provided to Medicare recipients in the first half of 2007 went to people who didn’t qualify for them. (Only people who cannot get around without one are supposed to be eligible.) The inspector general found that Medicare is billed an average of $4,018 for a motorized wheelchair that normally sells for $1,048. As a taxpayer, you will be shocked to find out that people are selling their “no cost” Rascal 600 B mobility scooters on eBay. I’m sure the keen eyed government drones working in the Health & Human Services agency are policing the resale of taxpayer paid for scooters. I find it amusing that scooters have various naming classes, just like BMW and Mercedes. The vast majority of people I see tooling around on their “mobility scooters” are just plain fat. They aren’t over 65 years old. On my Sunday bike ride I was flabbergasted and amused by the sight of a 350 pound woman on a Rascal with the pedal to the metal pulling a 275 pound man in a wheelchair attached by rope. The plague of slow metabolism is sweeping the countryside.    


While I was relaxing on my deck reading and trying to blot out the nightmare visions of obese boomers in Rascal formation like German panzers invading Poland, a brand new SUV pulled into the parking lot across the street. After five minutes, the driver’s side door opened and out sidled a four foot five, two hundred and fifty pound female senior citizen in all her girth. She waddled to the back of the SUV and opened the hatch to extract her walker with wheels. She began berating the three hundred pound dude that got out of the passenger side to come and get his walker. Then she motored off towards Laura’s Fudge, while her hubby conserved his energy waiting by the SUV. Minutes later she scooted her way back hauling a sack of fudge. They then trundled off towards the boardwalk, most likely headed for Kohrs Bros for a double dipped fudge ice cream cone or some Boardwalk fries smothered in cheese.   



Based upon my unscientific assessment of the people walking on the Wildwood boardwalk, I would conclude that 35% of the people are obese, 40% are overweight by 20 or 30 pounds (myself included), and 25% are in relatively good shape. After checking the government statistics, my assessment appears to be accurate. Who is to blame? The easy answer is to just blame the individual for their lack of self-restraint and inability to contain their impulses. But when you consider that 160 million out of 232 million adults in this country are either overweight or obese, along with 11 million adolescents, there must be something more sinister behind the phenomenon. There is no doubt that a major portion of the blame must be laid at the fat feet of those who could have exercised restraint over their cravings, but the words of master propagandist Edward Bernays provides another factor in the equation:

“If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without them knowing it.” – Edward Bernays



Bernays reveals a truth that is self-evident to those with critical thinking skills. Sadly, few Americans exhibit any thinking skills whatsoever. Our society has bifurcated into those who control and those who are controlled. The overlord Double Plus Alphas in our society consist of the Wall Street banker cabal, the executives of our mega-corporations, Federal Reserve governors, Washington DC politicians, Federal government apparatchiks, the propaganda experts in the mainstream corporate media, and the secretive billionaire set that manipulate and maneuver behind the scenes. The first step in controlling the Gammas, Deltas and Epsilons, as Aldous Huxley knew in 1931, was to indoctrinate them with propaganda in our government run schools. This mission has been accomplished. The vast majority of school children graduate from the government school system with no ability to think critically or question what has been spoon fed to them as facts. The fascist alliance of corporations and the state begin in the public schools, with product advertisements by corporations now subsidizing school budgets. The road to obesity is paved with chicken nuggets, fries and pizza dispensed by the government schools on a daily basis.

Just as in Huxley’s Brave New World, America has been built upon the principles of Henry Ford’s assembly line—mass production, homogeneity, predictability, and consumption of disposable consumer goods. In the dystopian novel, members of every class, from birth, are indoctrinated by recorded voices repeating slogans while they sleep. Huxley didn’t imagine the power of TV and other mass media outlets to do the same while we are awake. We are bombarded day and night by propaganda from mega-corporations to buy their products. Mass consumption of processed food sold by the likes of multi-billion dollar corporations Kraft, Pepsico, Coca Cola, General Mills, Nestle, and Unilever is the chief cause of the obesity epidemic in America. The few know how to manipulate the many through messaging, repetition and persistently molding the opinions of the feeble minded non-thinking masses. The billions spent by corporations on advertising to convince the masses that eating a Wendy’s Baconator, KFC extra crispy bucket, or Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, washed down with a two liter Mountain Dew or Cherry Coke, is a tribute to the invisible government running the show. Huxley and Bernays had it all figured out eighty years ago:            

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

Edward Bernays, Propaganda, 1928

The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the masses by the invisible government Alphas has transmuted citizens into overweight, non-thinking, debt dependent, egocentric consumers. This was not a mistake. The powerful interests used their control over the banking system, media outlets, and political system to lure the willfully ignorant into a debt financed lifestyle through the Federal Reserve created inflation, Wall Street peddled credit cards, auto loans and “creative” mortgages. The manipulators convinced the manipulated that borrowing today to buy houses, cars, bling, tech gadgets, clothing, and fast food was preferable to what previous generations of Americans had done – save to buy things they wanted or needed. This behavior seems to be completely irrational as a people that once saved 12% of their income and carried a moderate amount of debt chose to reduce their savings to 0% and not worry about tomorrow.



It is easier to understand when you realize who benefitted from this purposeful shift in societal norms. The low debt, high savings, production era from 1950 through 1980 benefitted the working middle class, allowing millions to improve their standard of living. The rising debt, low savings, consumption era, from 1980 through today, benefits the 1% Alphas while impoverishing the middle class and sentencing the lower class to a lifetime of dependent servitude to the state. Who benefitted from debt fueled conspicuous consumption and continues to benefit today? The peddlers of consumer debt on Wall Street and the mega-corporations that convinced Americans they couldn’t live without that 5,500 square foot McMansion, BMW X5, stainless steel appliances, 84 inch 3D HDTV, iPhone 5, diamond encrusted Coach handbag, and thousands of other Chinese made trinkets that pile up in underwater homes across the land, benefitted tremendously. The proliferation of debt resulted in obscene profits for the financial sector, record profits for the mega-corporations that shipped production to Asia in order to take advantage of the slave labor, and three decades of wage stagnation and increasing debt for the average working middle class American.    


The financialization of America was a conscious decision by the oligarchs. They controlled the issuance of credit. They controlled the currency and level of inflation inflicted upon the masses. They controlled the corporations selling consumer goods on credit. They controlled the Congress, courts, and government agencies with their deep pocket lobbying and buying of influence. Lastly, they controlled the media messages and molded the opinions and tastes of the masses through their Bernaysian propaganda techniques perfected over the decades. In one of the boldest and most blatant acts of audacity in world history, the Wall Street/K Street oligarchs wrecked the world economy in their insatiable thirst for profits, shifted their worthless debt onto the backs of taxpayers and unborn generations, threw senior citizens and savers under the bus by stealing $400 billion per year of interest from them, and enriched themselves with bubble level profits and bonus payouts. Meanwhile, median household income continues to fall, real GDP is stagnant, true unemployment exceeds 22%, and 47 million people are living on food stamps.   


The propaganda being flogged by the oligarchs since 2009 is the supposed deleveraging by the American consumer and trying to convince the ignorant masses to resume borrowing and spending. It’s working. Consumer credit outstanding is at an all-time high of $2.73 trillion as the Federal government has dished out billions in student loans to 50,000 University of Phoenix MBA aspirants sitting in their basements quivering with anticipation of on-line graduation and future six figure job with Goldman Sachs. The Feds have also added the impetus to the “strong” auto sales through their 85% TARP ownership of Ally Financial by doling out 7 year 0% auto loans to subprime borrowers in urban enclaves around the country. The oligarchs aren’t worried about these loans being paid back, because they are reaping the profits today. The future losses will just be foisted onto the taxpayer, as always. Total credit market debt of $55 trillion now exceeds 350% of GDP. The National Debt of $16.2 trillion will exceed $20 trillion in 2015 no matter who wins the Presidency in November. The oligarchs adapt and control whoever occupies the White House. It is essential for our owners to keep debt growing at an exponential rate or the Ponzi scheme collapses.

Narrow minded ideologues want a simple answer to a complex interaction of generational, cultural, economic, political, and criminal factors that have conspired to put the country into a predicament that, at this point, will inevitably lead to economic collapse. The truth is the American people have learned to love their servitude. They have willfully chosen ignorance over truth. They’ve chosen to believe what their keepers have instructed them. They’ve chosen to trust the storylines generated by the corporate media rather than think critically and question everything. They’ve chosen obesity and sickness over health. They’ve chosen debt financed faux wealth over savings based real wealth. They’ve chosen safety and security over liberty. They’ve chosen dependency over self-reliance. These choices were aided, abetted and promoted by the Alphas through their ability to manipulate and control the unthinking masses. Huxley understood the power of propaganda and brainwashing decades before it was perfected by our owners.  

“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution.”

Aldous Huxley

The saddest part of this episode of the Decline & Fall of the American Empire reality show is the continued delusion of the majority of the populace, as their desire for material goods and fair share of the entitlement pie outweighs their sense of obligation to their children and grandchildren. Their chosen ignorance is fulfilled through their attachment to their personal digital ignorance gadgets and supported by what passes for government education. The truth is obscured and hidden under waves of triviality, reality TV, and data manipulation by our government masters. The dystopian nightmare that engulfs our country has thus far resembled Huxley’s vision of a shallow populace easily distracted by consumerism, pleasure seeking, cultural trivialities, and a never ending ability to be distracted by meaningless minutia. Orwell’s darker vision of surveillance, captivity, information control, authoritarianism and pain will become the norm once the existing social order falls.   

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egotism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny “failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.” In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that our desire will ruin us.”

Neil PostmanAmusing Ourselves to Death


I despair for my country that has chosen to eat, amuse and borrow itself to death. But my despair is deepest for my children and their future. The greed, corruption, myopia, selfishness, and disregard for the well-being of future generations by current and past generations has left a barren and bleak landscape for my children. The Huxley vision of America consuming and amusing itself to death is coming to a painful conclusion, as the limits of a fiat currency and debt based lifestyle become evident. Those in power are preparing the masses for a more Orwellian vision of America when they are forced to pull the plug on the existing paradigm. The Patriot Act, NDAA, military exercises in our cities, militarization of local police forces, warrantless surveillance of our communications, searches and seizures in our airports and train stations, purchase of millions of rounds of ammo by government agencies, implementation of drone technology, camera surveillance, attempts to control the internet, manipulation of economic data, and executive orders allowing the President to take over all commerce while imprisoning citizens indefinitely without charges, are the next step in our descent into a dictatorship of tears.

The question is whether we will stand idly by, fiddling with our gadgets, tweeting about Honey Boo Boo, or will we regain our sense of duty to the future generations of this country. The manipulators are powerful, rich, connected and FEW. Those being manipulated, controlled, and abused are MANY. There will be a revolution in this country whether you like it or not. The existing social order will dissolve during the next fifteen years. What replaces it is up to us. George Carlin described what our owners want.

“Politicians are put there to give you that idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations, and they’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State Houses, and the City Halls. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear.


They’ve got you by the balls.


They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want—they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interest.”

What do “We the People” want?


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Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:08 | 2867638 Temporalist
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Jim, I have reported you to Michael Bloomberg for showing images of banned products.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:25 | 2867747 GetZeeGold
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Had to figure when Dr. Hunter S. Thompson checked out, we were in for our fair share of doom.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:26 | 2867818 Dalago
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Edward Bernay's... what a cocksucker.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:34 | 2868072 SheepDog-One
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He only told the truth.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:42 | 2868101 Dalago
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He used the truth for the wrong reasons; control and profits.  Fuck him.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:47 | 2868131 no taste
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How stupid are people who waste their votes on Romney or Obama? Voters are discouraged from voting for third-party candidates by being told that to vote for a person who will not win is to waste a vote. This is ridiculous. You should vote for the person who you think is the best candidate.

There will be no difference in how the US is run whether Obama or Romney wins the election. Thus, a vote for either of these candidates is a wasted vote. Romney and Obama are both beholden to the fraction of the 1% that uses the American Empire for their personal gain and at the expense of the American people and people all over the world. Whether Obama or Romney wins there will be more war, more Wall Street theft and more erosion of freedom and quality of life in America.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:13 | 2868257 Fukushima Sam
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Humans were made to be out in nature hunting and gathering and fighting each other.  Most of our modern ills are the result of us being denied this legacy.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:42 | 2868572 avidtango
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Right - because if we hunted, gathered nuts and roots and continually fought with outsiders we'd have so much time for things like science, art and invention.   Humans were once cannibals, lived in caves and faced the elements sans protection but I see few calls for a return to that "state of life".   Personally, the last thing I'd want is a return to brutal primitivism and violence as the norm.  

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 14:12 | 2868675 goldfish1
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Oakland anti-war protesters wreak havoc

"...protesters broke glass windows at several banks, City Hall, the Oakland police internal affairs and recruiting office and several other buildings. They also threw paint at the Oakland Tribune office..."

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:17 | 2869586 Muppet of the U...
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WOA WOA WOA, lets not get HASTY...


YOU WANT TO SAVE THE WORLD?  Become a BIO-CHEMIST.  Build a lab, and begin constructing super viruses.  Hundreds of them.  Wipe out people.  Those that survive will be preppers.  Then the world can begin anew.  The solution, must be final, it must be logical, and it must kill the sheep. 


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 16:47 | 2869095 Jreb
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I think you might have just hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately - I fear this is exactly where we are headed - this time with igadget in hand.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:55 | 2868614 aerojet
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Sure, and living too long.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:38 | 2868340 it aint paranoi...
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Whenever I am asked who I will vote for I turn it around on them. I ask them: On the voyage, when did it no longer matter who held the position of the captain of the Titanic?  I get a lot of dazed looks.  When they nod or see my point, then I'll discuss it with them.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:52 | 2868144 Ignatius
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 "They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want—they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interest.”

The school system is tied intimately to the economic system and is delivering what it is designed to deliver:

CONSUMERS... not citizens.

And it surrounds us and is coming at us in spades.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:07 | 2868222 verum quod lies
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Keep in mind that the writer of the piece: “Bio:James Quinn is a senior director of strategic planning for a major university.” In short, working as a bureaucrat at a university he must not step outside the bounds of political correctness. Also, we know that outside of the financial industry (and possibly big pharma), the education industry is probably the most intellectually pristine and uncorrupted industry in these here United States. In fact, being in “strategic planning” he must be able to guide his own university through the pitfalls of government largess and corruption by strongly recommending they refuse to deal with the intolerant feds. Therefore, he cannot, for example, state that there is a strong relationship between our decay as a country and importation of the third world, etc., etcetera. I will give him credit for stating that more critical thinking is required, but I will not be holding my breath that he will be doing this at his own university. Words are nice, but deeds would impress me more.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:09 | 2868235 Stackers
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hmmm, funnel cake with powdered sugar

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:31 | 2868320 Winston Churchill
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Seems like his wife slipped him a mickey redpill.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:14 | 2868476 kaiserhoff
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There are always good people working in flawed institutions.  It's called adult life.

When you reach perfection in thought, word, and deed, please let us know.  On second thought, don't bother.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:56 | 2868616 verum quod lies
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OK, so, for example, if you work for the Fed (a "flawed institution") and write about how bad it is all is fine and dandy in the world and you are a "good person”. You are living in a dream world if you think it will get better just by writing about how bad it is yet do nothing in your real life to rectify it but sit around calling people fat. I don't expect perfection, just simple consistency; and beware your heros who do not feel the need to be consistent in word and deed.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 14:15 | 2868691 kaiserhoff
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Grown-ups rarely feel a need for heroes.  We do make compromises.  More to the point, we have to chose our battles.

When you have children, dogs, and others dependent on you, you may chose battles more carefully, or maybe not.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 17:03 | 2869126 Totentänzerlied
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"Grown-ups rarely feel a need for heroes" Dancing with the Stars is on, and there are no grown-ups here. Perhaps a need for heroes would be perceived if anyone cared enough about the future to be concerned for it, good thing that is the stuff of fictional novels only.

"We do make compromises." Hubby wants Taco Bell, I want Pizza Hut, we compromised: Taco Hut. Hubby wants a new iPad, I want a new flatscreen, we compromised: new credit card!

"We have to chose our battles." Vacations and new cars or inheritance for the kids? iToys and other consumer electronics or capital expenditures? Healthy food or fast food? Savings or credit card?

Geez it's all so much to think about! I better pick my battles - and I pick: rationalization of ethically vacuous and morally abhorrent behavior to preserve the status quo! Cognitive dissonance says "you can have it all!"


CHOOSING to have dependents does NOT ABSOLVE your of GUILT for being a COMPLACENT PANSY who CHOOSES the path of least resistance. Try again and next time don't embarass yourself.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 17:10 | 2869138 Totentänzerlied
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"There are always good people working in flawed institutions.  It's called adult life."

Actually it's called the system designed by your patrician masters functioning better than they anticipated! Self-perpetuating enslavement and Stockholm syndrome defensiveness toward those with less servility!

"There are always good people working in flawed institutions." Quite so, and this is the reason flawed institutions are able to survive: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Good men who do nothing are not good men. They are accomplices. Stop being a moral coward.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:53 | 2868604 earleflorida
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jim is by far a hands-on activist... much more to the likeness of a moralist cassandra, then your ill- gotten opinion would predispose

bravo, mr. quinn... once again!!!   

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 17:20 | 2869156 Totentänzerlied
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There is no logical disjuncture or opposition. In our system, the best consumers are the best citizens. In the consumer-capitalist ideal, citizenism is consumption and consumption is citizenism. The terms have been enveloped in a deliciously ironic Marxist historical-materialist dialectic. Far from destroying each other, they in fact spur the other to new heights of absurdity.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:48 | 2868137 Manthong
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Great piece..

Essential viewing for further understanding.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:13 | 2868258 Jason T
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i've watched that doc ..   quite depressing.  Like Premetheus giving man fire adn getting punished.. there is that kind of mindset out there that is quite evil.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:38 | 2868341 Skateboarder
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Thank you for the link - just watched the first 15 mins and it's great. I'll be sure to catch the rest tonight.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 18:00 | 2869230 livid levity
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Good post - worth a watch

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 19:24 | 2869369 New World Chaos
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Well done.

Time to insidiously undermine the bastards.  Just had a big weekend of dumpster diving.  Even found another freezer to hold all the perfectly food we got.  Last year's model with a few dings; worked perfectly after replacing the plug that the dept. store cut off to prevent the serfs from getting something for free.   They're lucky the People of Wal-Mart Scooter Brigade would never think to raid dumpsters or replace plugs, otherwise they might have to smash things first. 

Dumpster diving is also a cheap way to get your preps in.  Wait until AFTER TSHTF to tell the missus you got the food from a dumpster and spent the clownbux on ammo instead.

Some people even get specific items by ensuring they end up in the bin.  It can be as simple as damaging packaging or leaving food in some unrefrigerated random location just before closing time.  I haven't stooped to this myself.

Disclaimer:  I don't know what dumpster diving is like in America these days.  Might be a good way to get your head caved in and end up in jail. 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:58 | 2868178 Oh regional Indian
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Bernays did? Are you serious SD1? Hah... crazy world.

But this Decay, Denial, Delusion, Despair.... it is such a manufactured reality. THat is is it's real tragedy.

Not that there are so many fat, lazy people toodling around on their Rascals.

But that some group of people who thought nothing of sickening an entire nation (now the entire world), through Culture, through food, through flouride, through outrisht poisoning, through manifest destiny propaganda, through artifically inflated wealth, entitlement culture to the max, purposefully mis-designed education system (drone factories), carrying the burden of a system that visits needless death and other indignities on the rest of the world...

That is the sad part, that this mess is created. It did'nt just happen. Those fat people do/did not stand a chance.



Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:03 | 2868433 duo
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It is now known that gene expression can be influenced by diet and passed from generation to generation.  Dr. Mercola has a recent article on cancer in rats.

simply put:  the junk food causes genetic changes that are passed on future generations, especially if eaten while pregnant.  Add this to BPA and GMOs, and the American human is turning into a species that is predisposed to weigh 300+ lbs and reach puberty a 9 years old, healthy diet or not.

We are so friggin doomed.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 17:35 | 2869191 Mr. Magniloquent
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Your DNA isn't literally altered. It has to do with methylation of genes which influences their expression. To paint with a broad brush, greater methylation produces less expression. It can be reversible, and does influence heredity. Many of the physiological changes that occur within the obese/hypertensive/diabetic tend to illicit a pattern of methylation which perpetuates these health dysfunctions. One researcher I spoke with on the subject described it off-handedly as "a kind of apoptosis on the organismal level".

On a similiar note, there have been some interesting findings (particularly by Dr. Sharon Moalem) which indicate that having most foods fortified with iron has had a strong contribution to The West's decay in health.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 14:04 | 2868644 avidtango
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"They" may have a plan to ruin American children via school but I doubt it.  How we turn out is mostly a matter of genes - not decades-long secret plans.  The sad truth is that everyone - politicians, bureaucrats, preachers, Tyler, posters - think they are right. Preachers are not trying to trick people but honestly believe that invisible beings monitor our thoughts.  Bureaucrats believe they are being benevolent rather than ruthless.  Politicians are not trying to bankrupt us but think things will be better with growth and more debt.  ZH posters come here not for knowledge but to validate previously held opinions.  It's called being human. 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 17:43 | 2869206 robobbob
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laugh it off ORI

but just as soon as its to their benefit, they're coming for you too.

you already have a national id card system being put into place. and i hear those GMO crop sales are doing well.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:08 | 2868226 pods
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From what I have read about Bernays, he was not out to manipulate people to his advantage, but to simplify life for people.  

Granted that stemmed from a belief that people by and large will make the wrong choices, and thus needed help, but I don't think his motives were insidious.

And that is what makes it worse, those who feel they are doing the right thing will "help" you right until you die.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:25 | 2868302 bobola
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Google this; CIA Bernays Guatemala

He helped the CIA orchestrate a coup in Guatemala, to throw out a democratically elected leader to the benefit of the United Fruit Company.

Bernays fully understood how to manipulate sheeple.

The USA is full of fat, broke and sick folks, largely (pun intended) due to his efforts in the marketing world.

He's an evil genius...


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:44 | 2868357 pods
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He also propagandized for Wilson too during WWI.  

To be honest, I blame not him, but us.  Humans have always fallen for the appeal to authority, etc.  He just summed it up pretty accurately.

It is still openly seen to this day: "4 out of 5 dentists recommend..."

I am actually glad that he summed it up so well (I have Propaganda).  It lets you see how they are targeting normal human behavior.

He surely has done damage to society, but has also done a great benefit.  He has described how your behavior can be used against you.

And for that I am thankful.  He helps us look deeper at our own faults, and find better ways to protect against others who use them to their advantage.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:44 | 2868112 Bawneee Fwank
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The Century Of The Self - [Full Length Documentary]

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:03 | 2868438 Temporalist
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Thanks for all the good links to the videos.


There is also a historical archive of the future titled "Wall-E" about dystopian planet Earth being destroyed by an obese consumer population brainwashed by media:

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 19:22 | 2869408 Cathartes Aura
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Wall-E, made by Pixar, courtesy i-junk provider Steve Jobs. . .

follow the money for the happy endings!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 14:37 | 2868765 supermaxedout
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This is a super duper film. Best film Ive seen since long time. In Germany this film and the content is totally unknown. Its eyeopening in many aspects.  This film is the missing piece in my views.  Thanks a lot. This film is a must in for every thinking man of our time. Really fabulous. Thanks a lot for the link.



Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:00 | 2868421 Harbanger
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Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:32 | 2868526 Harbanger
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This Youtube link explains Edward Bernays, and the "Invisible Government which is the Ruling power of our Country."

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:02 | 2868428 Killer the Buzzard
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"Don't be saucy with me, Bernays!"

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:15 | 2868478 azzhatter
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You sure that's chocolate covered bacon? I dropped a couple of those in the can this morning

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:58 | 2868180 Chuck Walla
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There simply is no excuse to drag Twinkies into this...


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:28 | 2868514 Oh regional Indian
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Chuck, I've seen FORWARD SOVIET a hundred times now, and it still brings a smile.

Great Sign off, very Apropos.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:57 | 2868603 Chuck Walla
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Chuck, I've seen FORWARD SOVIET a hundred times now, and it still brings a smile.

Great Sign off, very Apropos.



Thank you, its an old Stalinist slogan. Apropos indeed. I have a photo of the cover of one of the old Soviet rags, FORWARD. If only I could post that, it would make more sense. Repition is the key. Are we feeling a bit collectivist yet?  Sadly, this will end after Nov. and my imminent arrest if OFA has their way.



Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:54 | 2868336 rbg81
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Decline, what decline?  As long as I have trailer, my motorcycle, my iPhone4, EBT card, unlimited, free internet porn and Netflix streaming, I'm good to go.  So, fuck the wife, fuck the kids, fuck the mortgage, fuck my "career"....I want my FREE OBAMA STUFF.  AND I WANT IT NOOOOWWW!!

And maybe if I gain another 200 pounds, I'll also qualify for my free Government scooter.  Jesus Christ, these people make me sick.  If people like this had tried to settle the West, not only would they have failed miserably, but the Indians would have been sufficiently emboldened as to drive the White Man from the Eastern US too.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 14:11 | 2868668 Overfed
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It's my free shit, and I WANT IT NOW!!  :-D

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 14:20 | 2868712 rbg81
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I double up with laughter everytime I hear someone on TV (typically a senior) say they EARNED their free shit.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 20:06 | 2869482 nom deplune
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Mon, 10/08/2012 - 20:09 | 2869488 nom deplune
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For the love of god GZG, shut the fuck up!


Who the fuck gives this guy twenty fucking two ups for some off the wall comment that's not even funny or insightfull and you do this shit day after fucking day. That's what amazes me - where/how the fuck do you continually come up with this SHIT.

Stop fucking typing shit to type shit. You are not contributing. you are creating NOISE and drowning out the people who are a) smart, b) funny c) insightful. You are NONE of these. Now sure you are the master of oblique and sometimes somewhat remotely tangential off hand comments but that is it. I'm the master of a few things too, but no one here wants hear it. Sooo.... shut.

I used to love reading the comments as much as the articles here until lately because of posts like yours and that is sad because there is still a few people who I enjoys reading their break down or the comments that are ACTUALLY funny. The only thing that I think is worse are the jackasses (not Jim Willie) at Turd's that have to post "first" "second" or "Thurd."

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 13:54 | 2871739 Cathartes Aura
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honey boo boo!  wassat???  is it a FAT???  BITCHEZ.


upvote, and a nod.

it's the same mindset that posts the "first" etc. and nonsense repetitious mocking commentary all over internet threads - and whines "we is just havin' fun!  why you angry?  wot's yer problem??"

sure, have a laugh.  repeat the same jokes ad nauseam, every thread, day in day out. . .

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:26 | 2867817 krispkritter
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Yeah, you're only allowed to write 1600 words or less and they can't be in anyway anti-establishment. When you hit 3200 words you get a First Class FEMA pass and Christmas cards from Janet 'Dammit' Napolitano...

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:30 | 2867994 slaughterer
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Excellent guest-essay: quite a tour de force.  I enjoyed it alot.  Keep it up.  

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:09 | 2868239 FEDbuster
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Agreed, I will be emailing this to everyone I know.  Thanks for summing the whole cluster fuck up.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:47 | 2868367 20-20 Hindsight
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I also think this rates amont the best "think pieces" I've ever read and plan to disseminate it widely.  If I can reach only ONE person with this highly-intelligent article, then I will consider that I've done something useful today.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:40 | 2868561 cbxer55
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I'm just wondering where David Pierre is with his usual hit piece on anything that Jim Quinn writes.

What a loser.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:39 | 2868093 Sudden Debt
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A while ago, I tried to explain to some 27/28/29 year olds that in these days, everybody should save at least enough to cover 1 year of wages...


my god... the look in their eyes...


well... that iPhone? that iPad (they all had one with a carrier service) and that vacation trip (Bali, Italy and South Africa)

do you need it?

My god, it was like I said the biggest insults.

Yes they needed it! They deserved it!

Than I asked them if it was normal dat everybody could take those kind of vacations and gadgets?

And if so, did they ever wonder why they couldn't save money?

Why do you think half of the young kids want to be in sales? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD A CAR THEMSELVES!

People don't realize what kind of luxeries they have. They all think it's normal that everybody can buy all that stuff.

THEY NEED IT! but for what? To access their facebook?

People forget that facebook, twitter and all that crap is a illusion!!!! REAL FRIENDS ARE THE ONCE YOU GO SEE! WHERE YOU HAVE BEERS WITH!!


Saving money is something people don't talk about anymore. And everybody in every job thinks it's normal that they should be able to buy the same stuff rich people buy. Why drive a Beemer 7 when you make 2K a month?!?!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:56 | 2868175 dwayne elizando
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Well I've been in your shoes S. Debt. The difference is I'm 30 and I've had to tell this to 40 and 50 year olds as well as people my own age. Atleast once a week I get a friend or relative asking me if they can borrow money. Most of then make more than I do also!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 14:45 | 2868794 Tapeworm
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Don't lend them anything, even advice. You will never get paid back.

A reformed Sucker....

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:10 | 2868241 pods
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My favorite friends analogy:

A friend will come help you move a couch.

A true friend will come help you move a body.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:38 | 2868342 Gully Foyle
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Move a body?

Why aren't you cutting it up in the bathroom, boiling the flesh from the bone, grinding up the bones, and distributing the mess far and wide.

Remember to wash the tub down with amonia and burn your clothes.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:48 | 2868370 pods
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Well for one I have a conscience.

It is a saying, not the creed I live by.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:21 | 2868491 kaiserhoff
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Don't know where you live, but pigs are cannibals, so long pig is just a tasty treat.

Still, all things considered, there must be a reason god made alligators.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 14:19 | 2868708 Overfed
Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:50 | 2868378 yogibear
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Chinese save 50%, at least they say they do.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 15:57 | 2868998 RockyRacoon
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They don't have a lot of choice since they ain't got no "social safety nets".  Our gov't has taken the savings, blown it on wars and such, and then borrowed to provide what the populace should have been doing in the first place:  save.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:42 | 2868100 HobbyFarmer
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Yesterday I spent 10 hours outside helping my milk cow birth her (enormous) bull calf.  Was up in the meadow multiple times a night over the past week checking on her, since cows seem to prefer the woods to a warm stall....grrr.  Last weekend, spent at least two full days cleaning up the garden.  This is outside of the "normal" daily chores, let alone the "normal" work I do to earn a living.  Nearly endless work on a hobby farm, which pales in comparison to a real farm.

Americans don't know what work is.  How many of those 300+ people have clue how physically hard it is to grow a tomato (especially during a drought)?  Let alone the labor required to raise a cow, chicken, or other farm animal.  They pig out without a concept of the labor required to produce their calories.

I'm one of the 53% who pays federal taxes.  Why is my labor used to support anybody else? 

I'm typing with a broken finger from a different project I worked on two weeks ago.  I allowed myself the luxury of not going to my kickboxing classes for one week, but decided any more than that would be too hard to restart.  (I don't hit the bag with the hand that has broken fingers).

I believe that my grandparents generation would've worked me to death, despite how fit and capable I feel.

What happened to my grandparents country? 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:51 | 2868151 FubarNation
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It no longer exists.  Condolences to all of us.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 15:08 | 2868877 MachoMan
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It never existed...  these are the same people that walked to school in the snow both ways uphill.

It's an impossible measument given technology impacts to production...  people working the same jobs 100 years ago would only be able to work them for a fraction of the time.  I'm sick of this generation worship.  Same thing with the founding fathers...  or anyone else for that matter.  We haven't fruitfully developed much past clubbing women and dragging them to our caves...  we put some pants on and shaved a bit, but we're still the same damned dirty apes.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 15:39 | 2868964 HobbyFarmer
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My grandmother is 91, blind in one eye, and attached to a repirator because of lung cancer a couple years ago.  When I last visited her, 50-75% of the food I ate came from her garden, from the cans she put up herself, the fruit she dried, the animals she raised, etc.

She never told me she walked to school uphill both ways, but her actions tell me that this woman survived the great depression, and decades later she still remembers hunger.  She must be disgusted and the gluttony displayed in this article....made worse because other people pay for the obese.

Of course, the last time I called to complain about the decay I see around me, she cut me off and asked what I was doing to change things?

This woman came from a different mold.  I disagree with your dismal of her life because somebody once told you they walked uphill both ways to school. 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 18:29 | 2869292 MachoMan
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Growing up, I provided a significant portion of my diet through gardening, fishing, and hunting...  By your example, I must be a member of the greatest generation...  or a gen x/gen y er...  or simply living in a less urban area...  either way...  pretty close... 

Here's a prediction...  the poor huddled worthless masses of today are going to...  wait for it...  wait for it...  DO THE SAME THING AS YOUR GRANNY.  Localization and independence, it's what's for dinner...  Miraculously, J6P is going to be amazed at how he can adapt to planting a garden, hunting, fishing, and being more physically involved in his own sustenance, needs, and general welfare...  it's magic...  actually, it's what he's going to have to do to survive...  it's a strange sort of motivator that necessity...

You also want to know the really neat part?  Those of us that get to trudge through this depression/hyperinflation/superstagflation/shitty ass time won't forget it either...  when we're down to our last good eye and having machines breath for us...  we're probably not going to forget how shitty it was.

She wasn't cut from a different mold...  she was born at a different time.  Kudos to her for seeing it through to xanax, internet porn, and dancing with the stars.  But it's no reason to worship her.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:10 | 2869693 HobbyFarmer
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From the article, he estimated what percentage of people were obese?  40%  Many of them terribly obese and using motorized scooters to transport themselves around.

Machoman, what percentage of those people do you think could provide like you did as a kid?  They will seriously adapt?


Tue, 10/09/2012 - 13:35 | 2870636 MachoMan
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80%+?  It's not very hard...  do you know how many fat as fuck rednecks hunt and fish all day and have a mamma bear that can tend to the garden?  People choose to live like this...  (and collect a government check to boot).

Work breaks down like this...  ANYONE can do dumb dumb work, while not everyone can do smart work...  now, maybe the average guy isn't going to get the same yield out of his crop or have as good of general husbandry practices as the top shelf farmers (who are typically wickedly intelligent despite having no formal education), but we're talking about sustenance here...  and, at the end of the day, it simply isn't that hard.  Really, really easy to learn the basics, impossible to master...  but that's about the same in most things, especially growing food or gathering food for survival.

I'm actually about to get into aquaponics for my home place to try and rekindle some of the home food production (although still eat quite a bit of deer meat)...  it simply isn't that hard...  too many resources out there to struggle with it.  This is the information age after all.  If you don't know how to do something, just hit up youtube.  Once you do it for yourself, it's learned.  I think a lot of people overestimate the difficulty of transition and underestimate the ability of people to rise to the occasion when death is on the line.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:54 | 2868167 Gully Foyle
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Palm strikes dude. Switch from the kickboxing to Tai Chi, find a good instructor who can trace his linneage.

Same force far less effort. A Good TCC strike is like a ghost hits you, you go flying but can't understand where the strike came from.

Sadly the once greatest fighting art ever created has been demoted to old people safety exercise.

Go figure.

I've done everything from demolishing buildings to phone sales.

Most people will never do hard physical labor.

Mike Rowe gave a great TED talk on the war on work.

You need to listen to the entire thing.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:00 | 2868187 HobbyFarmer
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Funny, after the excitement of this weekend, I was reading my kids a book about China last night, and we came to a section that discussed Tai Chi.  My oldest (ten) is in Tae Kwon Do, and so when I was discussing what Tai Chi was (the book I was reading them had a photo of older Chinese people doing what appeared to be stretching--and it got my kids attention) I used TKD and Yoga to try to explain what Tai Chi was. 

I will look for an instructor and see if I can give it a go in my schedule.  Appreciate the tip.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:23 | 2868297 Gully Foyle
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TCC, Baguazhang and Hsing I are all internal arts. Aikido, and Lui He Ba Fa would fall into that category as well.

Really though in the end all god martial artists reach the same type of idea.

They all rely on proper alignment. They can  be used as Qigong exercises as well.

Holding a single posture for long periods of time are strengthening exercises.

I've been lucky enough to find really good martial artists. TCC and hard Kun Tao. But the Kun Tao guy floats very similar to TCC. Then again the origin is supposedly Bagua.

Google up Erle Montaigue he should have a lot fo free stuff at his site. And youtube has a surprising amount of quality ma material that would have cost hundreds of dollars a decade ago.

Once you feel a good internal artists you will never go back.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 15:14 | 2868898 MachoMan
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I hate to break it to you, but the finest martial art has been declared...  catch wrestling...  if you have but a single discipline at your disposal, it is the best... 

If you're standing up, I'm sorry, but muay thai is the winner...  period.  Trial after trial after trial.  Proof is in the pudding.

If you want to feel good about yourself, stretch the joints, and be able to defend yourself against someone that doesn't know what he's doing, then by all means try something else.  But please don't peruse that nonsense as the best fighting technique...  it's woefully deficient on the proving grounds.

I know, I know...  dalton did it in roadhouse and he ripped a guy's throat out!  Eagle claw! rawr!... 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:33 | 2868326 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Gully Foyle & HobbyFarmer

Tai Chi is great!  It is easy on the joints (main reason why we over 50s like it), but like you write, GF, it is also a martial art.  And ANYTHING is legal in fighting for real.

I feel very lucky to have found Tai Chi, I have been doing it 8 years.  And YES, shop around, the quality of instruction varies a lot.  

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:43 | 2868350 Gully Foyle
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What style?

Have you checked out Bauga or Lui He Ba Fa?

(Over fifty as well)

I like the circular nature of Bagua.

I trained William CC Chen style for a while, but dropped to due to illness. Trained Kun Tao also.

I'm picking stuff up again, finally feel comfortable after being sick.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:00 | 2868416 Oh regional Indian
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Bagua is a very arduous learning curve. Aikido shoudl be on everyone's list for one simple reason.... it teaches you how to fall and get up again.

If you can do that without fear, half the battle is won anyways.

In a spherical world, it is the most spherical of the arts. 


PS: JKD was also essentially an internal art. Bruce Lee was killed before he could reveal the true secrets, which are simplicity itself, like the emerald tablet of martial arts.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 17:52 | 2869220 Mr. Magniloquent
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I practiced Aikido for 6 years. It is very useful for harmlessly disabling an untrained attacker, or permanently crippling a severe threat; however, there is much about Aikido that I feel is impractical. I am now learning Krav Maga with much enthusiasm, as it fills some essential gaps that I feel Aikido possess.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:08 | 2868453 tsx500
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all u need is good 'ol BOXING and WRESTLING .    u can be a 200-th degree black belt in any of these silly 'disciplines'  (tkd , tai-chi , whatever blah blah) but once the fight goes to the ground , which almost all do , then whatcha gonna do ?     a wrestler knows how to take an opponent down AND how to keep himself from getting taken down (and what to do IF HE happens to go down) .    and the hand-speed and defensive abilities of any good boxer are all that's needed to take care of business .  

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:26 | 2868505 CloseToTheEdge
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a prepubescent frail female with minimal karv maga would reduce your kick to a skip an the ground to your face before your bulked ego grinned


be like water my friend ~b.lee

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:33 | 2868530 tsx500
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u right about Krav Maga .      way better bang for your buck than tkd , wing-chun , tai-chi  etc  .      also muay thai (thai boxing...National sport of Thailand) is not a bad way to go either ....  just 1 or 2 well-placed low kicks (to opponent's thigh,knee,liver) will pretty much end a fight instantly .

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 15:19 | 2868914 MachoMan
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This is nonsense...  it's basic physics...  maybe if you're approximately the same size/weight as the female...  and widly undisciplined, then yes...  anything can happen...  but probably not.  The only thing these disciplines do is give women an unhealthy sense of confidence... 

if you are habitually undersized, and even if you aren't, the correct answer is to shoot your assailant in the upper/middle chest region and call the police.  Think indiana jones vs. sword guy.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 16:19 | 2869037 KK Tipton
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Paul Vunak would heartily agree:

Watch his 2 DVD video "The Enigma".
I like his "philosophy". He does a great job of tying the good stuff (boxing/wrestling) together.

Also this video is good:

Aikido DVD (Videos) by Bruce Bookman - Ukemi: The Art of Falling, Aikido Video - Ukemi: The Art of Falling: Bruce Bookman -

Knowing how to fall saved a friend of mine from a bad situation on a very tall ladder.
He trained Aikido obsessively and it paid off.



Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:30 | 2868525 WillyGroper
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Check out Chi-Quong. You're sure to like it also.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:17 | 2868270 centerline
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Wing Chun.  Tai Chi has all the right moves but just doesn't combine them into a proper weapon.  Wing Chun closes this loop.  But, it is hard to find really good instruction.  "The Essence of T'ai Chi Ch'uan" is essential study material.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:28 | 2868315 Gully Foyle
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I'm sorry but you need to read the TCC history. TCC was the ultimate martial arts.

It has devolved.

But good TCC, which still exists, does exactly what you claim.

Recently I've looked at more extensive Wing Chun material and understand where you are going.

Have you checked out Systema?

Interesting Russian MA, very similar in nature to internal styles. Much more open and fluid.

Hard to find instructors but lots of stuff on Youtube to establish a foundation.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:35 | 2868334 DoChenRollingBearing
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Corrrect, good (useful) Tai Chi still exists.  You do have to shop around.  I do not know anything about Wing Chun or Systema, but I am very happy with Tai Chi.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 14:06 | 2868646 centerline
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I don't have any extensive knowledge of TCC history.  I trust you are correct on this and would not be surprised either.  Wing Chun is younger than TCC and does borrow the fundamentals from TCC.  Is sort of like MA family, lol.

Either is great if one can find good instruction.  I will check out the Russian MA thing.  Never heard of it.  But, I am a real fan of the internal styles.  In fact, my login name has llittle to do with the funny sign avatar... it is a reference to TCC/Wing Chun teachings that really struck me as profound.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:39 | 2868343 Lebensphilosoph
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Bullshido. UFC or it didn't happen.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 16:12 | 2869024 Totentänzerlied
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Your patrician masters are delighted that you wish to return to the fields for a lifetime of back-braking labor and meager pay. They will be enjoying longer and healthier lives of luxury while you lecture the boys on the value of a hard day's work like a managerial Uncle Tom or concentration camp Kapo.

Making a virtue of necessity is nothing to be proud of.

The honesty of the work is in how much value it creates vs destroys and to what extent it is predicated upon cooperation vs coercion, not how many muscle fibers you engaged or how much sweat you produced, sorry.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 17:08 | 2869134 HobbyFarmer
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As I finish hooking up my cistern and going with windpower, I am empowering myself from your perceived masters.  In a handul of years, I will put nearly 100% of my food on my own table; in my spare time.  Who then controls me?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:14 | 2869815 Cornfedbloodstool
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I believe your full of it. You post too much to be an industrious self starter.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:07 | 2868219 odatruf
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Hobby - I too broke (or at least badly jammed) my right hand index finger about a month ago pushing my F-350 yard truck to the side of the road after it's serpentine belt broke on the way home from the dump. I pushed it too close to the curb and the steering wheel jolted hard to the left and did my finger in. Ouch!

Our garden is still limping along although I think this will be the last week for the peppers and tomatoes. I've been covering them all with black plastic for about half the nights over the past two weeks to extend the harvest. Everything else has long been pulled up and composted.  The kale probably has another few weeks left, the hearty bastards. 

Other than chickens which I tend to on a neighbor's property, I don't have any livestock duties, so I can't talk about the work needed for much of that. But I can 100% back you up on the work for even a smallish garden. This year I had 22 tomato plants, 10 pepper plants and several each of most everything else except corn. There is just too much of it around here (Northern New Hampshire) to bother

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:22 | 2868285 HobbyFarmer
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The best food I've ever tasted has been grown, raised, and "made" (in the case of dairy products) on my own land.  It's not easy, and the worry/work is endless, but the reward is in the harvest; as you know from your own experience.

For any ZH'r contemplating the idea of moving out of the city or suburb to land, I cannot highly enough recommend it.  There is a freedom I cannot explain.  This morning, milking my cow again for the first time in 2 months...seeing the sun begin to rise, the chickens begin to cluck, the cats rubbing against my legs (in anticipation of the milk) and hearing the 'zing, zing' of the milk into my pail....those moments aren't replicated in my work, in my church (which I love), in volunteer time spent, or in any social circle I have ever walked.

We get a lot of interested visitors (friends, co-workers).  We're happy to show what we're doing and discuss the pro's/con's of raising as much food for your family as possible.  The first question we always get is, "so, what do you raise here?"

My answer every time: "my wife and I are raising men."  As the father of three boys, I can see it so plainly: boys were born to explore, help, run, and play on a farm.

Anyway, I apologize for the rant/side track, Odatruf.  To those likeminded enought to give the life a go, I don't need to explain the satisfaction you yourself feel when you provide meals for your family from your own direct labor. 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:56 | 2868620 Muppet
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I'm trying to buy a small farm.  People keep asking "What do you want to grow?"   I answer simply "Me".

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 09:23 | 2870389 tip e. canoe
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 “When it is understood that one loses joy and happiness in the attempt to possess them, the essence of natural farming will be realized. The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.” -masanobu fukuoka

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:09 | 2868237 BandGap
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I grew up as you did.  I even saved the pay stubs from the back to back 100 hour weeks I put in loading trucks, because I paid for my college costs myself. I show my kids, they also work hard.  Worked on farms as a kid because I was essentially free labor - the farmers fed me and paid $2 an hour. I gave half of my earnings to my parents, and I was proud of that.

Wouldn't trade that for the world. I have slipped into the materialism that has become our world, but only slightly.  Those that do awake are the ones only ankle deep in all of this. If you are waist deep you are finished. Better to let you quietly slip below the waves. 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:46 | 2868318 HobbyFarmer
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For anybody fantasizing about life post-collapse, I encourage you to find a farm and work a day's labor.  Preferrably, a smaller farm that doesn't have everything automated or machines for every job. 

To labor for your own improvement/sustenance, is there anything more honest?  And yet, if it was really post-collapse, with your life and your family depending on the outcome, is there anything more difficult?

My hat goes off to anybody who worked to help provide for their family, like you BandGap.  Perhaps I am too cynical when I believe my grandparents generations is ancient (forgotten) history to our modern society.  i appreciate the reminder that it's not yet so.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:33 | 2868529 CH1
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What happened to my grandparents country?

The thieving fascist class was able to extend their manipulation over the whole of it.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 16:03 | 2869010 wagthetails
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They were shitty parents and the greatest generation raised the worst generation.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:13 | 2868256 vast-dom
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i think i'm going to be sick.....

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:08 | 2868452 samcontrol
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The author finds such sights as funny. I think it is really really sad.

OT , are they on strike on zh and the middle east today? wtf!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 13:33 | 2868533 CH1
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I think it is really really sad.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 15:11 | 2868889 Cathartes Aura
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what's really sad is the same archetypal photos are used for so many click bait posts, and as a great divide and rule tactic to get people hating, finger pointing, bullying.

it's an old game played by those who yank the chains - but it's really really sad to see it used repeatedly, even here.

social networking via mocking, fuck yeah amrka!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:08 | 2867639 MiltonFriedmans...
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I'm proud to be an American.......not.

When the sheeple awaken, they will be in Detroit.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:14 | 2867660 derek_vineyard
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i fear its too late.  what if...what if.....we focused our energies on constructive endevours and society and government backed that effort?

fairy tale,   wake up derek.

read some tai chi or tolle...........we are pretty much fucked as a species and its okay by going to enjoy this moment.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:22 | 2867693 john39
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probably true for most people.  But, i have no intention of allowing a tiny minority to enslave me...  it won't take a majority, not even a large majority of awake people to stop this...  yes things will get rough, but it will be worse if awake people just lie down and take it.  some things are worth fighting for...   what do you have to lose anyway, everything has already been stolen... people just don't know it yet.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:38 | 2868083 Gully Foyle
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You are already enslaved. Not only do you own things, the worst form of enslavement possession of objects, but you imagine you can dictate the parameters of your enslavement.

You post proves you merely wish to exchange one form of control for another.

You don't even comprehend that your new normal masters will be worse than the old and perceive people like you as a threat to the new power structure.

You want real freedom, go live naked on some tropical island. No possessions, no master but the weather and your ability to feed yourself.

Total true freedom.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:42 | 2868105's picture

Each of us defines freedom for ourselves. We're not compelled to accept some moron's definition of freedom.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:56 | 2868174 Gully Foyle
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I can't cure you from being an idiot fuck.

Your choice to be limited by your ignorance.

But I understand that.

That's why you have the freedom to say stupid shit.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:13 | 2868253 odatruf
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Gully - John's comment may well be exactly right for him and you view may be right for you.  Let that be that, and each should do what advances that.  If interests alight, then by all means join together for common cause. Don't make it harder than it already is.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:29 | 2868316 Gully Foyle
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It's always up to the individual to free themselves from delusion.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:41 | 2868352 Ricky Bobby
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Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:08 | 2867640 mckee
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Why you hate'n on me?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:09 | 2867642 lynnybee
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i am not standing idly by.   during the course of the past 3 years (once i understood what the heck was going on), i have done everything i could to make sure to leave my kids&grandkids with real assets to put into their hands, no debts, & the education they need to carry on into a self-sufficient, better, more free life.    in fact, i have even lost weight this past summer with all the hard work that i have done to achieve these ends.    (fucking banks&damn gov't; now i understand why my Grandma Jo ranted & hated the gov't; born 1915 god rest her soul.)

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:21 | 2867686 Conman
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I hear you lynnybee but its sad to say that when you or i kick the bucket they will immwdiately cash in your gold and buy the next igadget.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:53 | 2868163 lynnybee
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'I hear you lynnybee but its sad to say that when you or i kick the bucket they will immwdiately cash in your gold and buy the next igadget. '   Yes, how true you are.    it really does come down the the responsible people vs. the irresponsible people.    if no one was "enabled" we would all be forced to be responsible.  

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:42 | 2868353 it aint paranoi...
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They have to find it first.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:27 | 2867844 MiltonFriedmans...
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:41 | 2868098 Gully Foyle
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Unity is the great goal toward which humanity moves irresistibly. But it becomes fatal, destructive of the intelligence, the dignity, the well-being of individuals and peoples whenever it is formed without regard to liberty, either by violent means or under the authority of any theological, metaphysical, political, or even economic idea. That patriotism which tends toward unity without regard to liberty is an evil patriotism, always disastrous to the popular and real interests of the country it claims to exalt and serve. Often, without wishing to be so, it is a friend of reaction – an enemy of the revolution, i.e., the emancipation of nations and men.

Mikhail Bakunin

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:19 | 2868255 grunk
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And if they're fat, turn the rest of them into soap. Or nitroglycerine.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:17 | 2868273 odatruf
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I think Jefferson was too kind to add that a lot of sheep blood would be spilled at the same time... For it is certainly true.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:43 | 2868108 Gully Foyle
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Hrundi V. Bakshi

Prove that obesity is not the next step in human evolution?

That a true technological society does not require a fit body.

The chief function of the body is to carry the brain around

Thomas Edison.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:01 | 2868192 Nikola Tesla
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Fuck Edison. Go and electrocute an elephant.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:07 | 2868220 Gully Foyle
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Mon, 10/08/2012 - 15:28 | 2868939 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nikola Tesla said:

Fuck Edison. Go and electrocute an elephant.

Now that's fucking hilarious.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:04 | 2868204 American Dreams
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Quoting a thief paints you with the same brush or reveals your ignorance of the originator.

there be no shelter here


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:06 | 2868216 Gully Foyle
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American Dreams

In a battle of wits you are disarmed.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:11 | 2868245 American Dreams
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And personal attacks are refuge for the slow witted.


Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:30 | 2868319 Gully Foyle
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American Dreams

Really? That's what you went with?

You couldn't emulate the Tesla post.

That was fucking creative.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:08 | 2868228 SubjectivObject
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Giva technologistocrat a shiney new hammer, and every solution looks like a nail.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:08 | 2868230 Lebensphilosoph
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Obesity rates have nothing whatsoever to do directly with genetic change.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:10 | 2867645 tradebot
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I'm writing a poem about this...but can't think of what rhymes with pork chop...

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:12 | 2867650 mckee
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64oz soda pop?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:15 | 2867664 Hrundi V. Bakshi
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2 liter soda pop

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:19 | 2867677 Bastiat
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brain slop

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:40 | 2868089 aheady
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donut eatin cop


oops - didn't see your entry Temporalist

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:36 | 2868080 erg
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trough slop?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:17 | 2867670 derek_vineyard
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is diet soda banned too?   or non/low caloric drinks at the fountain?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:15 | 2867665 Temporalist
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fat cop

rest stop

arteries pop

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:20 | 2867683 wonderatitall
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i am a proud obamamerican. i want what you have and will vote it for myself. i am the 99 % and obama told me i dont have to work no more....i just bang on da drum all day and wait for ma chek. so get to work slaves .....i want a whole lot of everything

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 11:46 | 2868123 Goat Cheese Please
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Pig Slop

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 12:26 | 2868308 dwayne elizando
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FED backstop

Dollar prop

Credit default swap

Liquidity mop

Market shop

Dollar drop

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