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South Africa Shows Europe How Anti-Austerity Protests Are Done

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While we have grown 'used' to hearing of protests in several European peripheral nations, South Africa has turned the anti-austerity protest amplifier to 11 in recent days. From the Lonmin massacre and subsequent wage increase to the truck-drivers' strike and Amplats firing of 12,000 workers , Reuters is reporting that South Africa's local government worker's union has now said it will join a nationwide strike amid the labor unrest in the mining sector. Demanding 'market-related salaries' this strike would bring the South African economy to its knees - at a time of rising deficit concerns. Critically, this has dramatic repercussions. Since firing people is no longer an option as "Those who are dismissed will make sure that there will be no operations operating and that will cause a massacre just like at Marikana," some companies will be forced out of business (reducing supply) or suffer significant margin compression on cost increases leaving commodity producers struggling - which will inevitably mean prices for end-users will rise (slowing end-user demand or crushing their margins). It seems the South African labor unions found the M.A.D. card.

 

Via Reuters South Africa,

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South Africa's local government workers' union said on Monday it would launch a strike over pay in the next few days, the first sign of a wave of labour unrest in Africa's biggest economy spreading from the mines into the public sector.

 

Since August, close to 100,000 workers, including 75,000 in the mining sector, have downed tools in often illegal and violent protests that look likely to hit growth this year and undermine the government's efforts to cut its budget deficit.

 

Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan has promised to reduce the deficit from the 4.6 percent of GDP forecast for this financial year. Any public sector wage increase would make that more difficult.

 

"The union is mobilising towards a national protest, which would begin as soon as this week," South African Municipal Workers Union (SAMWU) spokesman Tahir Sema said.

 

A majority of SAMWU's 190,000 members are expected to join the strike for "market-related salaries" which may last for one day or drag on indefinitely, Sema said.

 

...

 

Moody's cut South Africa's government bond rating last month, citing the government's difficulty in keeping up with economic challenges and widening strikes.

 

ELAND ON STRIKE

 

Wildcat strikes have already shut down large parts of the mining industry in the world's top platinum producer and a major supplier of gold, pushing prices of precious metals higher.

 

Xstrata is the latest victim, with workers at its Eland platinum mine walking out on Friday.

 

The mine is expected to produce 176,000 ounces of platinum this year, compared with forecast production nationwide of 4.9 million ounces of the precious metal used in jewellery and vehicle catalytic converters.

 

Anglo American Platinum (Amplats) fired 12,000 wildcat strikers on Friday, a high-stakes attempt by the world's top producer to squash illegal stoppages that have hit output at seven of its mines.

 

The dismissed workers were defiant and threatened a repeat of the showdown with security forces at rival Lonmin's Marikana mine that led to the police killing of 34 miners on August 16, the bloodiest such incident since the end of apartheid in 1994.

 

"Those who are dismissed will make sure that there will be no operations operating and that will cause a massacre just like at Marikana," said one worker representative, who asked not to be named.

 

...

 

A strike by more than 20,000 truck drivers entered its third week on Monday, hitting logistics companies and leading to filling stations running out of some grades of fuel. Wage talks with employers were expected to resume on Tuesday.

 

The main transport union, SATAWU, said it was gearing up for a one-day rail and port worker strike on October 15, which could hit exports of coal and other minerals.

 


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Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment Duke of Con Dao
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I think Obama was also commenting on Europe as a whole... 

YouTube - Obama on Romney in 7 Seconds

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment markmotive
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Holy shit. Imagine being on the wrong side of that crowd.

You sure they're not rioting about the 5 week hiatus for GLEE?

 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Vampyroteuthis ...
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Strike bitches! Stick it to them!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:17 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Lonmin Boss: Oh you said 'Fire them', I thought you said 'Fire ON them'. My bad...

AMPLATS Boss: Oh you said 'Fire ON them', I thought you said 'Fire them'. My bad...

Talk about a clusterfuck...

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 07:02 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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I find it somewhat odd (not) that globalist mouthpiece Reuters characterized the strike as:

 

"...in often illegal and violent protests..."

"...to squash illegal stoppages..."

 

Don't think they're trying to manage perceptions, do you?

 

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 02:05 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Strikes are the start. Revolt; demand honest money as pay, not some counterfeiters debt note. Demand gold and silver coins, the ones that keep value.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 02:45 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
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The start to what, American? Strikes are something of a cultural pastime in South Africa.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 05:57 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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We have little time to start anything before it comes crashing down on us. As witnessed in Africa, all that the proles have are immediate needs issues dominating their minds. They have no idea of honest money or the moral and social issues behind utilizing it.

Ron Paul, as the self proclaimed spokesman of the new libertarian movement, had an opportunity to use his influence to educate the world, not just America about it. His presidential nomination push gave Liberty its best chance. His influence was international, with Ron Paul supporters showing up at Romney speaches in Europe. He wrote books about Liberty and Revolution and was on the world stage promoting the cause. On the occasion when Liberty needed him most, he abandoned the movement as if it was a waste of time to persue. The pursuit of liberty by free men isn't one where you abandon your principles because of politics or because you think that you can't succeed. WTF RP?

As for your perspective, strikes may be a cultural pastime in Africa over the mundane issues such as food on the table, but that may be because they don't have a unified philosophy that can break their "wage slave" paradigm. We've all been squashed for so long that it takes a mighty effort to extract yourself from the statist's controlling grasp, so they're not isolated in their situation. Strikes may be a start but an only option if you haven't an issue with debt based money and bloated government.

There is only one outcome for the debt mountain and dishonest settleless money as issued by banks and sanctioned by governments and that is a collapse of trust and belief in the statist's program that directs us. It is either chaotic collapse by the gravitational pull of the resolution's event horizon or have control of it. 

Revolt. There are many ways.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 06:57 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
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You don't understand anything about the Bantu mindset either.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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So they get a pay rise. Then what?

You offer nothing and as a retort; you don't understand anything about the Libertarian mindset at all, so it's not worth the time persuing debate with you. Try baiting someone else.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 07:36 | Link to Comment Neethgie
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i can't stand little demogauges like you who are unable of viewing events without applying there own view on the situation.

Just because you want a libertarian revolution (slightly collectivist right?) doesn't mean those in south africa do, you have completely ignored it and tryed to put what view as wrong with the world as what they view as being wrong with the world...

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Well excuuuuuusssseee meeeee!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zANvYB93u2g

Collectivist my ass. Since when is the persuit of Liberty, life and happiness collectivist? Individual collectivism? (Oxy)moronic.

If you don't like my views (I'm not sure how demagogguery comes into it) then I encourage you to fuck off. I may be passionate obout liberty but I fail to see how the persuit of personal freedom is linked to political despotism. I would have thought that the war fought for individual liberty 100s of years ago was a battle for freedom against tyranny, not the battle for some ism for the people adopt.

"Get the fuck out of my affairs and leave me alone" is my ism and all that I ask of government. I can participate in the development of my community and country without the overbearence and fealty to some fascist, thug-run government.

For the sake of my kids, I have a duty to call to arms all like minded people, to rise up against tyranical government and that is what we have all round the world. Name me one country that doesn't dominate the life and liberty of the individual. Name me one that doesn't use force against its peoples to quell open and peaceful dissent. You call that living? Well good for you but I don't accept it.

It took a revolution in the first iteration of a Libertarian government. The revisit doesn't need bloodshed. It just needs education of the topic as constituted, which is simple enough. The methods of revolt are many and effective. Be debt free. Buy gold and silver. Support your Libertarian principles loudly and publicly. Support Libertarian representatives. Reject the Red team/ Blue team dichotomy. Always call bullshit on party political hacks. I do this already and haven't raised a fist against anyone. I ask all to consider my point of view without cajoling; folks can make their own minds up, but I refuse to be cowed into silence by some internet thug who wishes to demonise me by disingenuously labeling (falsely) me a political bully.

For those out there who have the same mindset, I once again call for you to consider the same action. Revolt. Revolt, or if you like what you're getting from your government, then in the persuit of your serf-like security which you exchange for your liberty, then just as a matter of fairness, go for you life with that, but in so doing, don't tread on me.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 06:14 | Link to Comment sebmurray
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Totally agree. People here definitely prefer Toyi-Toyi'ing, destroying public property and general violence and anarchy to a hard day's work. This may be a particularly hardcore strike season, but it's not like this shit doesn't happen every year...

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 02:43 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
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Hey American, stick to what you know.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Stick to what you know, nothing (it would seem)

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 04:00 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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$ 200K jobs for everybody!!!! YES IT CAN!

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 06:28 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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They heard the Obamaphones and now they want some for themselves.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 06:13 | Link to Comment floridasandy
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yeah, stick it to them and when the jobs are gone wait for the government to help you-just like they did with katrina. 

or maybe the government will give everyone high-paying jobs-that would be great, wouldn't it? 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Daily Bail
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Twitter Goes Crazy Racist After Black Actress Endorses Romney

Pretty shocking story, honestly.  The beautiful and bountiful Stacey Dash. Pictures included for your viewing pleasure.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Conrad Murray
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Not really shocking. Anyone who has resisted the white guilt shoved down his or her throat by the radical Marxist media knows the true score.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 00:43 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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You reminded me that these protests in South Africa are coming from public sector employees.  The Auesterity measures imposed by Bankers affects their Govt's ability to pay their wages.  No one thinks to stop borrowing from Bankers in the first place. 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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"I'm gonna get medieval on your ass." - Marcellus Wallace - Pulp Fiction

 

That's gonna leave a mark

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:04 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Zed's dead baby.....Zed's dead.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:01 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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OT: 

Stratfor Sources: U.S. Troops in Mexico as Feds Aid Cartels

 

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/13118-stratfor-sources-us-tr...

 

 

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 00:14 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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Your story is all wrong. The US troops are there to resupply someone's choom stash.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 01:18 | Link to Comment Middle_Finger_Market
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El Chapo....ohhhhhh run bitchez! 

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 06:37 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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We need Congress Critter Edutainment- complete with "Is that a classified document under your dress, or are you the latest online distraction over at the SEC?"

It might even create one actual job (even if only at MSNBS)

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 03:33 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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VD, that reminds me, a lot, of some of the stuff Skolnick was writing long before a lot of other folks were--about the Bushes, etc.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=1396

Skolnick is a bit bombastic for me, and I have trouble believing him. Still....

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 05:00 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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That's not suprising, since O'Muslim gave their guns to the Cartel in exchange for cheap blow in Chicago.

They just want their roscoes back.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:22 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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The full quote is closer to the situation.

"What now? Lemme tell you what now. I'm gonna call up a couple a hard, pipe-hittin' niggers and go to work on the holmes here with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch. You hear me talkin' Hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn site. I'm gonna get medieval on your ass."

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:27 | Link to Comment Daily Bail
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PEW SHOCK POLL: Romney 49% Obama 45%

First time the Pew Poll has shown Romney leading.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 02:01 | Link to Comment rocker
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This will be fun for sure. Romney wants immediate war with Russia China and Iran. Don't forget Palestine too.

All on a charge charge card again.  Sound familiar.  It will be a simple plan for us.  

Buy Oil and Gold.  All you can.  Stick head between legs and hope we are all here in the morning to cash in.

Ricih we will be.  Eh. 

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 06:40 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Krugman must have endorsed the wrong clown at the freakshow.  He's been very clear about the need to break windows and put them on the nation's charge card.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment walcott
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Travolta will get midevil on your ass with pleasure.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Hulk
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That movie is disturbing...

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Hulk

It's the hiding the watch up the ass thing right?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:13 | Link to Comment brettd
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Now, your father carried this watch.....

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:07 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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It's just entertainment....fantasy. Poliiticians are disturbing.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Drachma
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"It's just entertainment."

Just entertainment eh? Maybe for the disciplined mind, not the weak-minded. For most of the populous, when they enter-the-tin of holy-wood tinsel town, their gaurd is down and ready for subtle programming. The subconscious mind is a powerful thing, wouldn't you agree?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Perpetual Burn
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Someone has to set an example lol.

 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Exactly what happened. The white slave masters set the example. Once they where thrown out, the ones who took their place became the new slave masters.  Mandela and the ANC jumped from being slaves/political prisoners, into oligarchic slave masters and opressors.  The more things change, the more they remain the same.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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dont be judgemental:

the ones who took their place became the new slave masters.

if you could and were given the chance, you would do and be the same, wouldnt you?  really?  being powerful and control a swath of slaves wouldnt tickle your fancy?  there's nothing wrong with having a slave or two.  is it wrong? why? why would it be wrong to control millions of serfs.  are you a manager?  dont you control your employees?  wouldnt you want your employees slave for you so you could be rich and richer and richerer?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:00 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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Didn't I read about this in a book in high school  It had something to do with pigs and farm animals. 

 

"No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."  -George Orwell

 

Sub in Afrikaans for man and ANC for pig. 

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Didn't I read about this in a book in high school...

George O. is smiling.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:20 | Link to Comment israhole
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Indeed it's about the same, except the electical grid is much less reliable under the new management.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Ahmeexnal

I try to explain that idea to people who demand revolution.

They can't grasp that the new guy will be just as bad as the old guy. Maybe even worse.

They don't realize they will be the first victims of the new regime.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:35 | Link to Comment W74
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Same thing in Zaire/The DRC.  A group arises from the East around Kivu provence, gathers strength, moves west, sacks capital....becomes just as corrupt and incompetant as the previous regime.  It's happened three times since the end of colonialism.  The latest war (deemed the World War of Africa for it's 5 million deaths) Kabila simply managed to retain power.  Now unrest is starting up again, this time in Katanga province in the southeast, and militia groups (like Kony) move through the area just as freely as troops from Uganda, Rwanda, and Angola do.  The Congo (Kinsasha side of the river) is not a state.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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W74

I thought the whole Kony thing was a CIA scam and the guy caught beating off in public, which South Park imortalized, was just the doped up front man.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/412210/jackin-it-in-san-diego

 

outh Park - Jacking it in San Diego lyrics I'm gonna' jack it where the sun always shines.
(He's gonna jack it)
Been spreading the word and now I need to ease my mind
(jackin' it, oh)
Been planting apple seeds, and while the apples grow
I'm gonna go out jackin' it in San Diego.

Jackin' it, jackin' it, jackety-jack
Spankin' it, jackin' it, spankety-smack.

I don't need no shirt no, gonna' take them pants right off.
(he's about to jack it)
On such a bright day, who needs underwear or socks?
(jack it, jack it, ho!)
Been around god's country, and there's one thing I know,
There's no better place for jackin' it than San Diego!

Jack it, jack it, jackety-jack
Spankin' it, spankin' it, smackety-smack.
Jackin' it, jackin' it, jackety-jack.
Spankin' it, spankin' it, smackety-smack.

JACKING FOR THE LORD!

whistling

Come to San Diego
There's so much to see...
From the sparkling waters of Mission Bay,
to the warm tortillas of Old Town.
And after a day of sightseeing,
why not try spankin' it on one of our city streets?
San Diego, come, take a load off.

Jackin' it, jackin' it, jackety-jack.
Spankin' it, spankin' it, smackety-smack.
A-whackin' it, whackin' it, whackety-whack.
Spankin' it, jerkin' it, smackety-smack.

The cars are passing me by,
they honk and say hello.
(Hey, that guy's jackin' it!)
From his window there's a guy shootin' video.
(video of them jackin' it)
And if the good lord Jesus comes knocking on my do'
Just tell him that I'm jackin' it in San Diego.

Jackin' it, jackin' it, jackety-jack,
Spankin' it, spankin' it, smackety-smack.
(He's about to jack it)
Jackin' it Jack, jackin' it Jack
Whack, whackin' it, whackin' it.
Whackey, whackey, spank spank, smackety-smack.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:56 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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King Leopold II of Belgium...and his ghost, why the Congo "is what it is"

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 00:12 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Good to see you again Rusty. Long time.

How are thiings in Boomtown Afrique?

ori

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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C'mon, Rusty. The CIA isn't party to that "why?" Really?

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Largest civilian death-toll in an armed conflict since WWII, I'm told.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 03:38 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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Bob Dylan and Giovanni Ribisi making Gully's point in Masked and Anonymous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJwqKS64Bs

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:26 | Link to Comment tbd108
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Orwell's Animal Farm has everything in it that needs to be said on the subject.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment tbd108
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!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment cjbosk
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What's your suggestion for a fix AxAnal?

You're a fucking idiot...most, if not all of your posts are idiotic, time someone called you out. How's it feel fatty?

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 01:43 | Link to Comment silver surfer
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ANC and Nelson Mandela got shockfucked by the IMF and their favorite economic advisor Jeffrey Sachs.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment blindman
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time is like a jet plane, it moves too fast . bd
... gone

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:47 | Link to Comment oldman
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Do-ing nothing++++++++++!

Not even working!!!!!

"A strike by more than 20,000 truck drivers entered its third week on Monday, hitting logistics companies and leading to filling stations running out of some grades of fuel. Wage talks with employers were expected to resume on Tuesday."

The Do-nothing dudes of South Africa!!!!

What happened to the 'do-nothing dudes' of the good ol' US of A?

This is a revolution without fear          o

 

Average:

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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oldman

The do nothing dudes of the USA.

Last year or the year before two sets of workers took control of the factories they worked at, which were closing down.

The foriegn workers managed to come to an agreement where the factory remained open and they owned it.

The US workers settled for a buyout and the factory closed.


Tue, 10/09/2012 - 00:11 | Link to Comment oldman
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Thanks, Gulley,

I guess 'doing-nothing' is only comprehensible to foreigners.

What do you think the problem is with the native-born in the US of A----bad water?

Why would a dude settle for a piece of paper and being paid-off rather than working for himself? It is no wonder that foreigners love the US---the natives are stoopid and the pickins easy.

Maybe, I'll return when there are enough foreigners in my native land         om

 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:45 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Austerity for the sake of bankers = Strike and revolt.

As it should be.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:01 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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A correct, though so often completely misunderstood position.  In the divide and conquer world of that our bankers have created, serfs on the "left" have been given the mantle of "Keynesians" (modern Keynesians, anyway) and encourage spending out of the mess.  The serfs on the "right" have been given the mantle of "live within our means austerity".  The fools never realize that these are NOT opposites, rather two sides of the same coin.  Run up debt to generate interest payments, then cut services in order to... wait for it... CONTINUE TO MAKE INTEREST PAYMENTS. 

The bankers don't really care who wins the debate for two reasons... one... it doesn't matter who wins the debate, the government will do what the bankers want anyway... and two... those mother fuckers are still getting paid.  What's amazing... how self righteous the serfs from both sides can become in the midst of the manufactured "debate".  Nice work oligarchs... nice work.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:05 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Well said, that is the game.

+

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 00:05 | Link to Comment Conrad Murray
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Now...how to win it if one is not on the bankster team?

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 04:51 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Stay out of debt as much as possible.

Print your own fiats (not adviseable, but it can be done).

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 05:39 | Link to Comment Spunko
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Get on the Government team.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Nope. That team was consumed long ago.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:46 | Link to Comment Timmay
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The Bankers don't care because in the end, they control the drones.....

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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And (you forgot to add) when interest payments cannot be made by a sovereign - the bankers take and privatize the ASSets that can make them more money after purchasing (using default) at rock bottom fucking prices. Its a rigged money game.

All your assets belong us

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:46 | Link to Comment realtick
Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:47 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I can't be bothered with this now. They're just about to kick somebody off the island on Survivor. I need a beer .. Why oh why didn't I put the fridge closer to the couch?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:50 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Move the couch & TV into the kitchen...where theres a will, theres always a way ;-)

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I'll just send my little five year old to go grab me one. After all that's why we have them right? ;->

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:02 | Link to Comment ACP
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"Heeeeed! Pants! Now!"

-Michael Meyers

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment erg
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You just need a few of those teleporter modules from The Fly.

One in the living room and one in full front of the fridge.

The spare in the can.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:03 | Link to Comment nmewn
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lol...slave labor!!!

Right you are...I told squire to clean the pool today...he didn't. I make a poor task master ;-)

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Row Well Number 41
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My dad would wake us up at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning and make us do it or redo it if it wasn't done right the first time.  Far more effective and memorable then an ass whoopen.

#41

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment W74
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Was your dad a Drill Sergeant?  If there was anything I wanted back in those days, it was a full night's sleep....never happened.  Now I hear they at least get Sundays.  I hope standards never become less than that.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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W74

Wait, aren't you both talking about The Great Santini?

Fuck Robert Duvall got around.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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"I'll just send my little five year old to go grab me one. After all that's why we have them right? ;->"

Ahh, now to the original post that I logged in for.  You have to have a "Walter Payton mouse" to scroll fast enough to get there without getting caught up in the debris field.

Dr. E. that is an interesting comment and really cracked me up.  YES, that is exactly what children are for.  Why?  Because we have to pay for everything else regarding children,(and spend at home Mom's) so if they can't get us a beer then that is a complete loss of value and they are a total liability.  We are looking to achieve any level of salvage value from having them around in the first place.  I love our kids and all but economics overrides love and costs must analyzed to be amortized somehow in even the smallest ways if possible.

Invariably, more than one child can occur in a family and can be of a different sex.  We have a seven year old daughter who will bring me a beer upon request with relatively no service issues.  However we also have a 1.75 year old MALE child who, when instructed to get Dad a beer, will go get the beer but will attempt to try to drink it himself and would if he could figure out how to open it.  This presents a serious economic consideration for Dad.  Also, this beer is often dropped upon some hard surface thus rendering the beer unusable for any HFD (high frequency drinking) or any other trade.  In some cases, our male child will execute a physical beer raid as though he is JP Morgue, even though I have placed no order, and attempt a raid on my stash of physical beer. 

At this point, usually before I can react mind you, the raider of my physical stash will bite into the can and cause a spray of beer to occur, drop the can and then retreat.  Mrs. Manipuflation, acting as the CFTC, then intervenes and says nothing is really that wrong and that she never saw it coming in the first place.  My complaints on the situation at hand are always met with deaf ears and that I should have known better than to keep cans of beer in the refrigerator.

Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here? 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment W74
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My wife has a medium sized mini fridge from college, and I've got a slightly larger one from the barracks.  Both are for sale.  They also double up as end-tables.  Put a lamp on it, or just your empty beer cans.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Dr. Engali

What the fuck is Survivor and why would anyone watch it?



Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:45 | Link to Comment tickhound
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-1 street cred

-1 for asking why any useful tool would watch 'reality' tv

-1 especially one titled 'survivor'

-1 for being out of touch with retail

+1 not that your bold opinions were ever suspect.

 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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tickhound

Sad to say I watch two reality shows, Deadliest Catch and Ice Road truckers.

IRT for the Canucks driving on true ice roads and the shit going to the little towns and villages. Some interesting growth going on.

DC cause they are some badassed people, with very hot women. I don't think I could do their job in my prime, no matter the money.

I did notice on IRT every driver used regardless.

There was a recent study about how text can sway opinion. Bold is strong and confident, in your face statements.



Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:16 | Link to Comment tickhound
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After closer inpection, sir, your paperz do seem to be in order.  These aren't the droids we're looking for... move along.

Move along!

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 07:14 | Link to Comment samcontrol
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learning experience for the future?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:47 | Link to Comment Cortez the Killer
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So firing on people is no longer on option.

OK, but who said anything about people?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:48 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Reuters is reporting that South Africa's >>>local government worker's union<<< has now said it will join a nationwide strike amid the labor unrest in the mining sector."

Oh noes, how will they ever survive?...lol.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 06:51 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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They're just stupid government drones, they have no idea who pays their salaries, or that there might be actual austerity if the big evil mining bosses don't have big profits to tax.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment W74
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South Africa is not the economic powerhouse academics like to think it is.  It will soon make the same transition that Rhodesia made when it became Zimbabwe.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:16 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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But they became the Rainbow Nation and were even permitted to hold the World Cup. Are you telling me that the ANC is a bunch of corrupt socialists with no real goals in sight? Or that they aspire to be like Robert Mugabe?

We need more Ian Smiths.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment W74
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That's what I'm telling you. 

 

Everything right now is just bread (not a whole lot to go around now that subsistance farmers occupy land once farmed commercially) and circuses (except that the tent is being set on fire by the spectators).

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:35 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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I knew that. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Nobody believed  the the whites when they said they were fighting Marxits in their efforts to stay in power. We betrayed the western interests there and let commies and despots have free reign. Now the Marxist are entrenched in southern Africa.We're doing similar things in the middle east now.

Damn shame since I've always wanted to hunt there. But I don't want die there...

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 00:16 | Link to Comment Mike in GA
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"...Now the Marxist(s) are entrenched in southern Africa.  We're doing similar things in the middle east now."

 

Not to mention we're 'doing similar things HERE, in America, now!", not just the mideast.

One more big ol' Marxist FAIL coming soon to a formerly world class country of your birth.

Ugh.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 04:46 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Yes, Dick O'Muslim seems to have loaded up the place with Reds, Moon-Worshippers, and, to throw us off his cunning plan, Gay Activists. Won't they be suprised when the AQ/Taliban flag is over the White Mosk?

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 07:07 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Part of my family left Cuba about 150 years ago (in one of the many prequels to rinse, repeat) when the Government seized their farms.  Depite the "affirmative action" of the Central Bank's use of the priting press, the current farmers of the same land cannot, to this day, generate the even the same NOMINAL annual revenues 150 years and 98% debasement later.

Some people just shouldn't be farmers, because it really is does require both hard work and business acumen to succeed.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:38 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Unfortunately we will end up needing more Cecil Rhodes to fix the mess, although China seems to be filling that role for now.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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W74

Fuck that shit! Strike Back doesn't film in Zimbabwe.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment Insideher Trading
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Time to start shorting EVERYTHING.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment Cortez the Killer
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correction

Time to start shooting everything

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Except wheelbarrows.  

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:50 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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The Afrikaners are gone but the gap between haves and have-nots in South Africa is as wide as during apartheid.

 

The blacks have more grievances than with a few mining companies, it is with the black government that simply stepped into the shoes of the old white leadership and carried forward the same elites-first approach. There have been many promises but little has been delivered. Unless there are changes, the outcome is civil war:

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-30/south-africa-inequity-is-revolu...

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:12 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Who the fuck cares?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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The real, yet wealth agnostic, class war is waged between the productive class and the looter class.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:38 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Funny how the looter class give themselves names like job creators. They know it'll fool the lesser minds, of which there are many.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Indeed they do.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 04:41 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Well, they do create many jobs: camp guards, rats, NKVD, paid rats, Party Functionaries, firing squad specialists.....

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:03 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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A Nanny Moose

"Juridically they are both equal [the worker and capitalist]; but economically the worker is the serf of the capitalist . . . thereby the worker sells his person and his liberty for a given time. The worker is in the position of a serf because this terrible threat of starvation which daily hangs over his head and over his family, will force him to accept any conditions imposed by the gainful calculations of the capitalist, the industrialist, the employer. . . .The worker always has the right to leave his employer, but has he the means to do so? No, he does it in order to sell himself to another employer. He is driven to it by the same hunger which forces him to sell himself to the first employer. Thus the worker's liberty . . . is only a theoretical freedom, lacking any means for its possible realisation, and consequently it is only a fictitious liberty, an utter falsehood. The truth is that the whole life of the worker is simply a continuous and dismaying succession of terms of serfdom -- voluntary from the juridical point of view but compulsory from an economic sense -- broken up by momentarily brief interludes of freedom accompanied by starvation; in other words, it is real slavery." -Bakunin

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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I can only assume that you forgot to add the /sarcasm -on|off flag.

Otherwise, what is your point in quoting an apostle of Kant, Hegel, and Fichte (arguably the fore-fathers of modern state run Childhood processing factories - a.k.a. public school), and the arguably the philosphers behind that which resulted in Nazism?

Are you attempting to conflate my comment with Nazism somehow? Please be specific.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Pssst, just ask him to name a self-professed communist regime that is or was not defined by this statement:

"momentarily brief interludes of freedom accompanied by starvation; in other words, it is real slavery" 

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 04:38 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Does anyone still believe that lenin bullshit?

Really?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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steve from virginia

"The Afrikaners are gone but the gap between haves and have-nots in South Africa is as wide as during apartheid."

I keep bringing up Strike Back which films in SA.

While watching anything I try to take in the background.

I don't think I have ever seen such a drastic divide between rich homes and dirt poor ones.

Some of the shots from these beautiful homes overlook packed like sardine slums.

Then the mentioning of privately armed security to protect those homes.

That's where we are headed.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:50 | Link to Comment rustymason
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Half the protesters are still on the clock.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:51 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Protest Pay!!!...its in the union contract!!!...ROTFL!!!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:26 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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It's for the Children.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 08:22 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Go LONG on Machetes.

The Africans, know how to really HACK.

All you lucky dudes that speculated on Plat, are going to be rewarded big time.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:50 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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More new faces, just the same ideas are being whisked thru a revolving glass door. Imagine how they feel or think, once they see their protégé through the spinning glass doors.

 

http://www.clubofrome.org/ 

Attack the problem, not the symptom. Winks.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:56 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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these strikes are the direct result of currency debasements world wide and the greed of the imperialist plantation owners of south africa....it is time for wages to rise and the price of goods to rise to reflect the reality of the currency squalor

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:22 | Link to Comment W74
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What plantation owners?  Do you mean the ANC?

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 02:42 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
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Another European/American who doesn't know what he's talking about. Strikes happen every other day in South Africa. They have been happening for decades now, with their frequency only picking up since 1994, and have always been used as a political tool. This has never had anything to do with wages as far as the trade unionists are concerned. South Africa's trade unions are run by the radical left wing of the ANC who never got the communist revolution and all-out massacre of 'settlers' they all desired, and have been actively pushing for the last several years, most notably under the leadership of Julius Malema, who was, by the way, behind the platinum miner strike. It has nothing - absolutely nothing - to do with the points you mentioned.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:02 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Here's some Spanish folks pushing the owner's thugs back to their hidey hole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wsfwmzAZgOw#!

Wait until the protests break out in America and the morbidly obese folks put together a scooter brigade to clog up traffic and cause trouble for the sheople's law enforcement officers. The pure mass alone may overwhelm the thugs. Plus, if the obese folks just go limp imagine how that'll tie up the thugs as they try to lift them into the FEMA camp buses! Hope the thugs have good hernia and back surgery clauses in their insurance plans (not really).

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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As I continue to say, you cannot riot from a rascal. You must stand and walk, which is outside of the range of effort of most americans. 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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"You must stand and walk, which is outside of the range of effort of most americans." Sorry, it was a sarcastic thought that came to mind so I just had to put it out there.

I agree with you. I also would argue that understanding why they should be pissed and rioting is outside the average American's range too. In America people are too busy hustling to keep the bills paid to stop for a protest. The crappy economy now has people working 2-4 part-time jobs to keep their McMansion from foreclosure, so it's worked out even better for the owners. American's don't have time to do anything but work.

Besides, most Americans have been so brainwashed with the whole freedom and American exceptionalism myth that they don't see their own shackles. They're just hoping to own a few of their own indentured servants one day if they kiss enough ass for their owner. Unless of course you were born on 1st, 2nd, 3rd base or in the owner's suite behind home plate. Then you can get all righteous and tell everyone else to get out and work and hustle more and they can be like you...except for the getting pulled out of the right crotch part of that scheme. Hence the reason the Republican party can garner votes from wage slaves who are too ignorant to see and figure it out (not that the Dems are different or better).

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:03 | Link to Comment youngman
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"market-related salaries"...what the hell is that......who´s market...this is kind of open ended....when they get hungry they will go back to work...but a few will die during the riots or strike..no different than in Chicago tonight or Detroit..

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:06 | Link to Comment Democratic koolaid
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They've spiked South Africas Water with alittle to much Koolaid! Put your tin-foil hat's on. 

Why dont they try and lowering cost of living instead of giving them more money!!??

 

 

 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:09 | Link to Comment W74
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But is it cherry or grape flavored?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:06 | Link to Comment Piranhanoia
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What did the miners get paid?   It might make a difference considering they started this?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Duke of Con Dao
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get 'em while they're HOT!

YouTube - Obama on Romney's Debate Promise

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:09 | Link to Comment blindman
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link this again.
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/10/08/developing-breakdown-dmitry-orlov/
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Developing Breakdown – Dmitry Orlov
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sad day, happy tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkyX824YWGI&list=UULwXLS-KHDAABP02xEzplsg...
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all in a full day of what perhaps not.
good be to and for you, perhaps see you
later, probably not.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:11 | Link to Comment Cabreado
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'market-related salaries'

seems reasonable to me.

Eliminate the corrupt union leaders and the corrupt politicians,
giving the "workers," the people a voice in a real market, sans the lies,
and not only will they will adjust to a true market,

they will flourish in their psyche first, and way beyond second...

Only the liars will suffer.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 07:14 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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YOU and THEY are talking about two VERY DIFFERENT things.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Democratic koolaid
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One problem is that sounds alot like what a bolshevik would say cabreado!

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment holdbuysell
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Isn't China making investment inroads into Africa, hoarding precious metals, and buying control of mining companies?

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:16 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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So I'm driving home today and at a stop light I noticed a bumper sticker on the car in front of me. The bumper sticker read .... "Obama saved General Motors" . The car this person was driving was a Mazda .... Idiots. ....

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Just remember, it is their right to vote. /wink

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:38 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Sad but true.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:00 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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Not that I like the Stern much but this one explains a lot about "voters".  I can't join this crowd of idiots.  Just in case anyone hasn't heard this here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeJbOU4nmHQ&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:37 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Howard has his flaws, but keeps it real....some of the time. Perhaps not in politics. This segment is a bit suspect.

Paraphrasing Mr. Stern: Every woman thinks her vagina is the best vagina on the planet. Every guy doesn't give a shit what hole he uses.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 01:19 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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You seem to be on the ball a nanny moose.  I agree that Stern can not be trusted.  However, given my background in politics, it is not that far from the truth for either party.  Sad.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment Darkdoc
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It doesn't matter where you live - for the bosses, they all say "My way, or the highway, as*hole."

It is the same here in the U.S. (and I assume Europe as well), especially large businesses.

I work for a major state University in the U.S., and there is no tolerance anymore for dissent.

In South Africa, it went from white bosses, to black bosses, and now to the unions, and won't end when it is any other worker either.

The "people" won't have a voice at any point - somehow a boss will emerge even with popular support, and there will only be only orders to obey. You can dream of "the people" having some degree of power, but the thumb will be plenty large enough to control them.

Open your eyes - it's all around you.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:41 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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WTF is a real "market-related salary" in a country - a world! - with millions of surplus labourers?

Answer: probably less than they were getting.  Better shut up...

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:57 | Link to Comment helping_friendl...
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All right already!

I keep my head down and go to work everyday.

No raise in three years.

No bitchin'!. Just keep on my grind.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 04:29 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Just for now, be glad you have a job.

Some of us were just canned in the booming, low-inflation Dick O'Muslim economy.

Yes, it's hard to beleive with those job stats last week. I'm hoping I'll be back at work next month when the UE rate drops to 5%.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 23:22 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Substitence level of existance for starters. 

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 00:01 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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This smells like socialism.  Like "democratic theft".  Like "we don't believe in property rights".

You'll get "mutually assured poverty".

That's what happens when the masses want to own the company.  The way things are going NO ONE will ever start any kind of business again...regulation, taxes, uppity employees, anti-business governments, price-fixing, market meddling...

Fire the lot and hire new ones.  LABOUR is everywhere: it's real, money-good unencumbered capital that is in short supply.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Democratic koolaid
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The Buffett Rule is a tax plan proposed by President in 2011. The tax plan would apply a minimum tax rate of 30 percent on individuals making more than a million dollars a year.(think it should be 10 million) According to a White House official, the new tax rate would impact 0.3 percent of taxpayers. This is a loose comparison as I am think Mittens is a better choice. 

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:44 | Link to Comment squexx
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Hhhhmmmm......am I sensing a pattern here?!? Haiti, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, etc...

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