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Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30,000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety"

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The Federal Aviation Administration is working towards putting the finishing touches on rules and regulations for widespread domestic drone use, and the agency expects as many as 30,000 UAVs will be in America’s airspace by the decade’s end. As Russia Today notes, given that the department has already addressed the issue of acquiring drones to give the DHS a better eye of domestic doings, though, those law enforcement operations in question could very well transcend away from legitimate uses and quickly cause civil liberty concerns from coast-to-coast. All drones will be equipped with Electro-Optical/Infra-Red sensors, as well as the technology to sniff out certain chemicals from thousands of feet above our heads. Have no fear though, since the "Robotic Aircraft for Public Safety" program is for your own protection, we are sure Janet Napolitano would suggest.

 

 

Via RT.com:

Don’t be surprised if you catch a federal fleet of sneaky spy drones soaring over your head in the near future, but don’t be too terrified — it’s all in the name of public safety.

 

The US Department of Homeland Security is asking the makers of small unmanned aerial vehicles to submit their crafts for consideration as the agency ramps up the construction of a full-fledged surveillance state across America. The DHS plans to soon conduct drone tests over the Fort Sill, Oklahoma US Army base, and they’re already soliciting spy planes from the private sector so they can select what kind of UAV to use.

 

According to a request for information published on the Federal Business Opportunities website recently, the DHS is determined to begin drone tests over the military base soon and is seeking submissions from drone makers that don’t mind making a few bucks by having their products put into the US airspace to conduct sweeping surveillance.

 

The Borders and Maritime Security Division of the DHS “will conduct flight testing and evaluation of airborne sensors and small unmanned aerial systems,” the request reads, and now invites vendors to submit drones to be tested “under a wide variety of simulated but realistic and relevant real-world operation scenarios.”

 

The solicitation says that drones will be evaluated to see how well they perform law enforcement operations and conduct search and rescue missions, but once a craft is handed over to the DHS then the details will be put under lock and key. Specifically, the call for work says, "the information within each test report will be classified as For Official Use Only, and will not be shared with the general public."

 

Given that the department has already addressed the issue of acquiring drones to give the DHS a better eye of domestic doings, though, those law enforcement operations in question could very well transcend away from legitimate uses and quickly cause civil liberty concerns from coast-to-coast.

 

Homeland Security Janet Napolitano told a House Committee panel in July that the DHS was “looking at drones that could be utilized to give us situational awareness in a large public safety [matter] or disaster” and the next piece of the puzzle is already being put into place. With their latest solicitation, the DHS acknowledges that it is specifically testing a “Robotic Aircraft For Public Safety,” but the components necessary to be considered suggest that any drone adopted by the agency will be brought in for sweeping surveillance.

 

The solicitation request requires that all drones be equipped with Electro-Optical/Infra-Red sensors, as well as the technology to sniff out certain chemicals from thousands of feet from above. The UAV must also have an integrated laser designator, can be hand-launched by a single person and must be able to be remotely managed by a pilot with only one day of training.

The Federal Aviation Administration is working towards putting the finishing touches on rules and regulations for widespread domestic drone use, and the agency expects as many as 30,000 UAVs will be in America’s airspace by the decade’s end.

 

 

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Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:17 | 2873424 hedgeless_horseman
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Big Brother Uncle Sam is watching you!

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:20 | 2873438 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, and I don't like it.  The drones will probably be used at some pointv to hassle small farmers and John Galts.  This is all very bad for our liberty.

30,000 drones?!

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:23 | 2873443 hedgeless_horseman
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How is that ray shield coming for your little Mulligan's Valley?

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:24 | 2873455 DoChenRollingBearing
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I have read that some rural folks might come up with creative ways to, ahh, disable them...

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:28 | 2873477 Thomas
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It's game over. Tilt. We are witnessing totalitarianism. If they lock me up they had best not release me because I will be on the other team.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:41 | 2873524 JPM Hater001
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You are on the other team...
I just hope they get my good side on the fly-bys...have you ever seen how bad the angle was in the Zapruder film... JFK looked just aweful...

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:55 | 2873554 franzpick
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Gives new meaning to this old song, and how I and my friends will respond to preserve our liberty (turn up to mad-max-volume):

I am the eye in the sky
Looking at you, I can read your mind
I am the maker of rules
Dealing with fools, I can cheat you blind
And I don't need to see any more to know that
I can read your mind (looking at you)
I can read your mind (looking at you)
I can read your mind (looking at you)
I can read your mind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt7zD9p80gA

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:05 | 2873574 HoofHearted
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See something, say something, bitchez.

So I call up ol' Janet. "Hey, Bitch, there are all these drones flying around my ass. What is going on with that? Do you want to nuke them, or do you want me to do it?" All the sudden, I hear click bzzzzzzz.

Now why wouldn't they want to know that some terrorists are out destroying our civil liberties? Oh, they don't want to know that we notice when they are squashing us? Shit. What's the point of see something, say something, then? Oh, it's the fact that they can solve anything and hope to have us turn on one another. Oh, I'm starting to get it. Those bastards are the real terrorists trying to convince us everyone else is. You know what? I fucking HATE Big Brother. Always will. I just hope that my will can withstand the "re-education camps." See you bitchez there. Stay strong.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:09 | 2873584 markmotive
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It's OK - they only shoot lasers.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/07/20/air-force-to-begin-testing-dron...

Nothing to worry about here.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:42 | 2873639 Matt
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I'm just an average man

With an average life I work from nine to five

Hey, hell, I pay the price

All I want is to be left alone

In my average home

But why do I always feel Like I'm in the twilight zone

 

And (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me)

And I have no privacy Whooooa-oh-oh (I always feel like)

(Somebody's watching me) Tell me, is it just a dream?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:11 | 2873686 Problem Is
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"With an average life I work from nine to five"

Not anymore...
You are now part time for economic reasons....

"In my average home"

Not anymore...
Jamie and JPM just cooked up a MERS assignment, with a phoney promissory note, to a phoney deed, to a phoney mortgage... presented it to a crooked judge, in a rigged court.. and now you are foreclosed and evicted from your "average home"...

"Hey, hell, I pay the price"

Not anymore...
You haven't paid enough... as the Fascist Oligarchs of Finance Capital determine you still have surplus income that is of yet parasitically unbled... bend over and say "Thank you sir, Jamie & Lloyd, may I have another"...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:15 | 2873693 NewThor
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CAN I HAZ SEX WITH DRONE?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:27 | 2873707 putaipan
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i'm only givin' him a greenie 'cause i'm pretty sure i saw janet, either one of them, badly lip-synced translated say it already.....

(if you haven't seen one already......you're not paying attention.  cue paranoid rock soundtrack @ the end of 'wiseguy's'......)

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:34 | 2873720 Manthong
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Oh heck, they’ve been conditioning us for this since we were all toddlers..

“He knows when you are sleeping.
He knows when you’re awake ,
He knows when you’ve been bad or good
So be good or FEMA Camp’s your fate.”


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 08:13 | 2874039 GetZeeGold
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30,000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety"

 

+1 one up your ass......pay them and they'll use Vasoline.

 

Where would you like your drone Amigo.......that would be up the butt Bob.

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 10:24 | 2874675 3rdgrader
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Bankers spying on their Slaves. Nice. Just keep voteing for them.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:36 | 2873723 Harlequin001
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Ok, so why can't I fly my camera equipped model airplane over Obama's house then?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:29 | 2873796 Parrotile
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Whilst "Your Leader" aims for all to be treated equally, never forget that some are far, far more equal than others . . .

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 05:57 | 2873925 TuesdayBen
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When your own Gubmint legitimizes the wearing of tin foil hats, there is a rot, a foreboding in the air. Is my Gubmint serving me, or plotting against me?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:53 | 2873955 spankfish
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Trust me, drones are watching him.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:42 | 2873640 merizobeach
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Wow, living in the US is going from insufferably shitty to insufferablier shittier.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:53 | 2873659 ebworthen
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What's the easiest way to take one of those P.O.S. down?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:02 | 2873675 lemonobrien
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a jesus stick which fires rounds of silvers and golds.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:17 | 2873695 Problem Is
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The Islamic Terrorists... aka Reagan's freedom fighters...  have found the controls easily hackable and disturbing their flight commands doable for even a towel head with a laptop in a cave...

I think your average clueless Amerikan with x-box experience could pull that one off from the couch eating a big mac and sucking down a slurpee...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 11:37 | 2874972 A Nanny Moose
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Popular Meme: They hate us because of our freedom

Question: How could they possibly still hate us?

Begun, this Drone war has.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 12:53 | 2875261 Cathartes Aura
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you just need to learn doublespeak.

"They" - redefined, "they" who employ drones, both flesh & metal, are the ones who hate freedom.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:11 | 2873773 prains
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What's the easiest way to take one of those P.O.S. down?

 

a remote control with a cheeseburger ray works 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 05:40 | 2873917 saturn
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What's the easiest way to take down your great government?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 05:54 | 2873923 JohnG
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Skeet shooting is a favorite of mine.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 08:40 | 2874409 CPL
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You need to block all radio signals so neither the operator or anything else recieves instructions.  Then in theory it flys out of range and crashes.  You'll need a power sub station and some radio skillz.  Understand this though, you block radio waves in an area, it means the entire radio, cell, tv is blocked.  You fill the air with junk.  Anything depending on any type of radio signal fails.  Pace makers, Dialysis sensors, Diabetic pumps, pre-natal pump systems.   Hospitals and practically all medical equipment are IT shitholes and they don't spend much on anything to sheild their networks or products other than nuclear medicine area.  

Be aware, fill the air with garbage the consequences are broad and completely unknown.  Unintended consequences will happen, for better AND worst.

The drones are worth about 250 in scrap.  Copper, motors, optics, wiring, fuel...the body, leave it.  Chain saw the ass off of it and haul ass to the wrecking yard for one good stomp on it with a compressor to break apart the engine.  

 

There is another way that's easier and cheaper...and very quiet.  Solar furnace with about 240 1x1 mirrors, an optic focus and some fibre optic cable mounted and using a peizo "eye" to track shape differences in the sky.  Anycase.  Sort of like a low powers laser but no "force".  It does however concentrate the power of the sun x250 times, which is hot enough to melt electronics in the vicinity.  The planes are just hollow bodies that are sealed under pressure on take off.

Pressure cook them in a couple of seconds like how a pressure cooker does.  Either the plane pops like a balloon and turns everything inside to slag.  Or everything turns to slag and burns the plane down mid air.  Alternatively add a fresnel lens and you can boil water by glancing the focused light on the water.  Near instant atomization of water.  Zinc and copper pennies melt in under a second.  Steel can be cut through.  I would suggest that you go find information on the subject now before its listed as illegal to know.  Believe it or not, these governments will outlaw the sun eventually.  So just be prepared for that eventuallity.

 

Things that fly aren't scary until they fall.  We barely acknowledge the fact we only know a certain model and design of a plane.  V shape, Parachute type (bi plane) and tubes which have the same design flaws as a fisher man that's gone hunting for shark, marlin, gars, sturegon, salmon takes advantage of.  Fisheye and how the fish sees.

 

Remember these are JUST RC toys.  Anyone that's done RC stuff in the past knows the challenges with RC units.  Doesn't matter how much encryption, or how big your tower is, or how big the plane that you are flying around.

 

One good gust of wind, rain, anything beyond a beautiful sunny day, and you can get a shovel, pick it up and start to rebuilt it.  In a time we've got some of the weirdest weather happenign on the planet.  Drones at this point only seem like an act of desperation to hold down something coming apart at the seams already.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 11:28 | 2874937 Mysteerious Roo...
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Most interesting. Many thanks. But aren't some of these drones the size of a housefly or a mosquito? What can be done against them? Anything?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 11:40 | 2874993 CPL
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LOL!

There is a technology called a cat.  My cats chase laser pointer light, wreck tiny helicopters the kids have, eat flys ou t of the air and bring birds home.  A drone...LOL!!   It's a toy.  Name a dog under five that wouldn't "fetch" it, a blue jay that would allow it into the same air space, crows as well.

 

If you want to experiment with one.  They sell the consumer models.  You would also have to be about twenty feet from the person.  So what you are talking about are bugs.  If you are completely paranoid of the idea of bugs being in your house.  Turn off the power.  They have to recharge sooner or later and in a quiet house you could hear a mosquito fart.  Two tiny blade fans would sounds like a jet plane in comparison.  I'm sure you've got a cell phone so if someone really wanted to listen to you it's as simple as turning on the reciever in your phone, even closed....along with the camera, which is just as secure as a webcam I'm afraid.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 12:19 | 2875146 A Nanny Moose
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Theoretically, the RF signal could be made less diffuse with some sort of directional H/G antenna configuration, yes? IDK RC gear, but I work on RF networks all the time. Get something on the same frequency, with more power, in the vicinity, and that sucka's goin down. You need to be able to track a moving target, but aren't looking to control, so much as DoS communication. This is one theory on how Iran got our drone. Thoughts?

The wheels on this short bus are indeed coming off. No action to counter it, is necesary. Just pop a beer and wait for the fireworks...hopefully no EMP capable fireworks

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 11:40 | 2874989 A Nanny Moose
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Thought crime. 10+ years in Gitmo for you.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 10:42 | 2874739 ChacoFunFact
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launching mylar ballons with tinfoil attached in 3, 2, ...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:12 | 2873589 lineskis
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Hackers were merely able to defigure websites and stole some credit cards information, now they will crash drones wherever they like. And wait until they put weapons on those... Freaking brilliant...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:44 | 2873644 merizobeach
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I appreciate your optimism, but I'll believe those hackers exist when the drones start falling from the sky.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:47 | 2873816 AnAnonymous
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I appreciate your optimism, but I'll believe those hackers exist when the drones start falling from the sky.
_______________________

Indeed it is very optimistic, even delusional, to think that 'american' hackers are going to use the gained control over drones to crash them on the ground.

In 'american' societies, there is no discontinuity between the 'american' elite and its base.

'American' hackers are going to hack those drones to steal the position of the legitimate owner and will use the drones for the same purpose as the original owner. Just one 'american' chasing the other one, say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 03:15 | 2873833 prains
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AnAnalogousAnus

 

we've missed you since akak ripped you ananotheranalogousanus

the bleeding must have been quite rapacious.

how goes the ass licking? tiresome? repetitive?

much like your posts

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 03:20 | 2873838 TheFourthStooge-ing
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More ridiculous unsupported assertions from AnAnonymous, the excrementally disturbed hypocritizenism drone. Smell the new crap, same as the old crap.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 09:09 | 2874496 CPL
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No he's right, takes forever to break into systems.  Why bother...it's a disposable toy with some salvage value and ZERO insurance coverage...unless the operator has Insurance to fight in court.  They are the most briliant piece of lawyer bait I've every seen.  Think of it as 30000 pieces of ambulance chasing in the sky.

For an RC toy, block all radio signals and let it crash itself.  Much easier.  Besides we are talking about the Drones that WEREN"T engineered with engineers.  We are talking about the high school science projects most of your children help complete in shop class.  If one of those barely falls out of the sky, there is NO ISO certification attached to them.  Get a lawyer and sue the shit out of the operator in a civil suit.  I'm pretty sure a private will enjoy being garnished for his entire life.  Then you sue the Coropral that made the order, his/her ignorance is no excuse for flying an item that isn't insurable other than personal liability.  You sue up the chain of command until they are all poor, renting and divorced.

Then you wait for the next "accident", because you know, there is a reason RC plane hobby fantatics in the USA have to book a sunday, clear square mile, get permits and have the fire department handy.  And all those guys flying the planes.  Most of them are engineers that have been doing it for decades.

I want to see what happens when some green horn piece of shit hits a little bit of wind in one.  Someone's home catches on fire.  No ISO, no cert, the home owner brings the case as a CIVIL SUIT, personal, individual...to court, because the Military knows they don't have insruace for any of that equipment.  No.  Insurance.

Means the "pilots" are responsible.  How's that for shitty.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 09:54 | 2874604 tip e. canoe
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awesome tactic, this part of the article gives a clue that your FUBAR scenario might come sooner than later:

"must be able to be remotely managed by a pilot with only one day of training."

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 10:13 | 2874645 csmith
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If one of those barely falls out of the sky, there is NO ISO certification attached to them.

Always wondered what ISO certification was about. Seemed a bunch of BS...the MARKET should decide if your product is good or not. So it's nothing more than a shield against the lawyers? Much clearer now, thanks!

BTW, has the ATF swat team arrived at your door yet? You obviously know waaay too much about how to bring these buzzing annoyances down, so they couldn't send the drones. Human beings still have some place in the world! Full employment!

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 11:23 | 2874918 CPL
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Same reason a Pogo stick is Uninsurable, it's a toy.  The insurance industry would be out of their fucking minds unless it was under some other type of platform like home insurance.  Even then I would bet a policy gets canceled before that happens.

 

ISO certification states that the process to manufacture something is repeatable, safe and an issue can be tracked down to correct a problem in manufacturing.  Because when everything is known it is then possible and easier to obtain a couple of things.

- a place to make them.  These were made in High school shop classes.  Look at them.  Garbage.  They spent a fortune on garbage RC units.  Biggest threat they suffer is property damage when they fall out of the sky after a 10 knot wind hits them.  The CIA was sold a lemon and nobody wants to admit it, I get that.  I'm glad they'll be falling on people and homes in the tristate area.  Maybe then those paranoid moneybags can see it in action.

- a company to offer insurance and liability

- a correctable process.  Again.  Students half stoned inbetween making bongs and guitar picks (why do you think guys take shop?  The teacher is usually more baked than the students in the shed.)  I'm going to guess there were extra screws left over in assembly.  LOLLOLOLOLO...I had extra bolts left over at 16 years old putting together a starter.  And that's infinitely less complex than building an RC plane.  Guys that do it as a hobby crash their junk after forgetting to attach a thin piece of piano wire to rudders.  more moving parts...more moving tiny parts...more moving tiny parts crammed into a tight space with a PCB board made in china by the lowest bidder.

 

HOHOHOHOHOoooo...HA!  My sides...seriously, boogie men and lucky hits.  If the Drones were that effective we would be hearing how the entire western range of pakistan was a parking lot instead of the odd lucky hit.  These are supposed to be robots remember..."invincible robot armies".  LOLOLOLOL  Toys.

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 11:03 | 2874820 Mr. Magniloquent
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I would be more enthusiastic about this tactic if the US Military & Federal Government actually respected the rule of law. Besides, there is a significant historical precedent of the U.S. Government allowing/participating in having aircraft collide with civilian buildings and getting away with it.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 11:30 | 2874942 CPL
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You don't get it.  You aren't going to sue the government, beside they are broke.

 

You are going to sue the Pilot of the toy and the guy that told him to launch it as a direct order.

 

It's called a slap suit.  Something the original anonymous learned of intimately from the Scientologists.  They tear a person's life apart from their paycheck to the car they drive.  You leave the person with either so much time missed at work dismissal happens because they are waiting for court time, or a warrant is raised for their arrest on the failure to show.  And because the dumb shits signed NDAA and all those orewellian laws.  You just have to pick someone and it's up to them to clear their name.

 

So you walk out on the street, issue summons to anyone in uniform and they'll drag the poor bastard to the stand for you.  It's called a crab bucket legal play and it is soooo dirty.  It based from what every crab fisherman knows.

When a single crab is put into a lidless bucket, they surely can and will escape. However, when more than one share a bucket, none can get out. If one crab elevates themself above all, the others will grab this crab and drag'em back down to share the mutual fate of the rest of the group.

That's how you get an RC pilot on the stand.  Use NDAA.  Otherwise it's their word against the insurance company's lawyers.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:37 | 2875889 Mr. Magniloquent
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I do comprehend the tactic. Our disagreement is in it's effectiveness. Individual police officers are litigated against regularly, but enjoy a quasi-sovereign immunity. Do you believe a sanctified mercenary would fare differently? When State Minion versus Unwashed Pleb occurs in a legal setting, rarely does justice prevail.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 16:16 | 2876010 CPL
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Hire the Scientology's legal team.  They would be more than helpful, crazy bastards all of them, but they love money and for the secrecy that "church" possesses I'm pretty sure that any of that equipment flying over their client's homes/recording would be in their best interests to cease and desist.  It would also more than likely score them some respect knuckles from the public that typically sees them in such a "foggy" light.  It would provide a clarity to the subject of the stance of the Church...is it there for solace and protection as a benefactor or is it a spindly finger that has only the dollars and cents at heart.  Validation is so very hard to obtain on a good day, why would they ever pass up the opportunity to shine so bright?

That and.. 

You bet your ass they'll be driven out of their minds.  Go look up some of their targets in the past.  There has never been a more effective machine of legal destruction, they are in the best sense of the word Lawful Evil.  Historically nothing like them has existed and even the devil makes pacts to protect it's own insane interests.  Celestial and otherwise.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 19:39 | 2876471 Mr. Magniloquent
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Referencing D&D in an ordinary conversation alone merits a positive vote. Nerd.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 05:25 | 2873906 Tompooz
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...when the drones start falling from the sky."

 

...or start converging on the Capitol Building, Washington DC

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:19 | 2873697 HardAssets
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"They hate us for our freedom."  -- Fats Limbaugh

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:23 | 2873703 Problem Is
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Fats Limbaugh will buy a drone to smuggle Viagra and oxycontin into the country with...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 04:31 | 2873872 cynicalskeptic
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Maybe they're part of the 'War on Drugs' - sniffing out competition to the CIA backed cartels - ansd even providing alternative delivery systems for high value/low bulk product.....

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:29 | 2873715 putaipan
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. "isufferably shitty".   ..... previous zh-poster.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 03:32 | 2873842 RECISION
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Sorry, what was that - putziam

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 10:53 | 2874771 yogibear
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Plenty of brilliant engineers to join the resistance against the oligarchy. Overtake them and renew them with your electronics, then use them against the oligarchy.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:32 | 2873802 Parrotile
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Also listen in to Judas Priest - "Electric Eye". Seems rather prescient don't you think???? Especially the line "I keep the Country clean" . . . .

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 05:10 | 2873901 mvsjcl
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And I especially like the last verse:

Don't leave false illusions behind
Don't Cry cause I ain't changing my mind
So find another fool like before
Cause I ain't gonna live anymore believing
Some of the lies while all of the Signs are deceiving

That should resonate with ZHers.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:37 | 2873633 Simon Endean
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"have you ever seen how bad the angle was in the Zapruder film...JFK looked just awful"

 

Yeah, his hair was all over the place. 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:04 | 2873676 hannah
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"have you ever seen how bad the angle was in the Zapruder film...JFK looked just awful"

 

Yeah, his hair  and brains were all over jackie. (there fixed it for ya)

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:21 | 2873699 Problem Is
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At least Jackie got the back of his skull off of the trunk for him...

T&A and cool under fire... what a gal!

Just think of the lies the CIA would have gotten away with if that damn film had never surfaced...

No conspiracies no how...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 11:41 | 2874998 Mysteerious Roo...
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Tha Zapruder film was altered two times. The public has never seen the original. See Mary's Mosaic by Peter Janney. Published by Skyhorse Publishing in April of this year. pp. 291--292.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:38 | 2873634 Simon Endean
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Drat, double post.

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:54 | 2873552 j-dub
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And I assure you, at that point you will be standing next to me brother.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:15 | 2873597 Lucius Corneliu...
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Game over?  Its been over for a long time. At least since they killed Kennedy.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:55 | 2873664 fourchan
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nov 22 1963 was the beginning of the end.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:45 | 2873731 HardAssets
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That was a crucial date but it started a lot earlier than that.

Burr should have shot that prick Hamilton a lot earlier. Al was one of the first pushers of central banking and the US federal govt/connected business interest con of the the American people. A guy willing to shoot Revolutionary War vets for wanting their back pay. First treasury (stealing) secretary . . . in a long line of the 'morally challenged'. Lover of big powerful central government and empire.

See "Hamilton's Curse" by Tom DiLornenzo as a primer on the subject.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:30 | 2873799 mr_T
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Soon/currently drones will be able to track you by your cell phone. Some in the future will even be equipped with a round . Looks like all those scifi movies predictions are coming true...

They Live
Brazil
Philip k Dick novels

See ya at ClubFEMA ...
Hands up ..baby hands up.. Blah blah rest of gay song..

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 07:05 | 2873967 spankfish
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They already have that ability, its called e911.  For Android, unless you have Linux programming skills to edit that out... just think FUBAR.

If you have an iPhone throw it away.  Even when its off its still talking. 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 08:10 | 2874037 TWSceptic
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Don't spread lies about iphone. Apple isn't part of gov.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 07:41 | 2873996 Zadok
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May 9, 1865

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 07:53 | 2874002 Obadiah
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Oh snap!!!! That was the day I was born!  A great day to begin to finish off the evil one once and for all.  Bring it!

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 07:53 | 2874003 Obadiah
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Oh snap!!!! That was the day I was born!  A great day to begin to finish off the evil one once and for all.  Bring it!

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:18 | 2873936 Gully Foyle
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Thomas

I've read people go Gay in prison but this is the first time someone actually is planning for Homosexuality.

Not only planning to be prison Gay but batting for the other team when they are released.

Kudos for your honesty and foresight.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:59 | 2873960 DanDaley
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Mr. Smith, who gave you permission to walk out of your house?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 07:47 | 2873998 Watauga
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 08:29 | 2874216 petolo
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Hey Thomas, I,ll be there with you in the underground , nay overground ,doing whatever needs to be done to modify those things todo a direct 360 and implode.Fuck you UNCLE SAM ; we are watching you./

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 08:30 | 2874243 LawsofPhysics
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The new entertainment will be shooting these things down (while buying stock in the companies that make the parts).  Bring it.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:39 | 2873809 vast-dom
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this is fucking outrageous! Chris Hedges we need you now! 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 07:01 | 2873964 proLiberty
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http://www.wickedlasers.com/

 

A bright enough laser will trash the EO optic chip.

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 08:36 | 2874408 petolo
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Check with the manufacturer in Shanghai : MADE IN CHINA .

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:28 | 2873475 redpill
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30,000 Drones?  TPFTN!  (Target Practice For Ted Nugent)

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:44 | 2873531 iDealMeat
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Yup..  And when you "remodel" make sure you use a fine mesh cage around your man cave..

You know..  for the stucco..

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 07:15 | 2873974 spankfish
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Think faraday cage.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:11 | 2873579 Taint Boil
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I have a house here and a house in Mexico … the house in Mexico is looking better by the minute. No property taxes (very little), no need for a car, everything grown local more or less (oranges, mangos, avocados etc, etc so cheap it would make your jaw drop to the ground), no furnace, no insulation, no air conditioning (furnace and air not needed) …. I feel safer there than here (smaller town, no drugs and not near the border). All paid for free and clear ……….

 

The only thing I’ll need is Zero Hedge, food, a roof, sex and good health … umm I think in that order of importance.

Oh and by the way I’ll be sipping drinks in the sun with the Zero Hedge T-shirt girl

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:32 | 2873625 Almost Solvent
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Your forgot the #1 reason to even live in Mexico - the Mary Jane.

Best fucking pot outside of LA in the world.

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:51 | 2873654 merizobeach
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"in the world."

In your small world.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:27 | 2873709 Nobody For President
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Dream your dreams, silly boy. 

Humboldt homegrown is coming in now - outdoor, not that warehouse grow light shit you think is so hot - and the long hot summer was good for it.

Smells like a dream. Been told it smokes even better. Forty years of farming experience around these parts has resulted in truely magic weed.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 03:31 | 2873841 Reptil
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These drones will be used to sniff marijuana plants - even the one or two in your garden. Land of the free, home of the brave.

There's 3 outcomes to this

1. The USA and subsequently the world are fucked, and the human race will be enslaved in the next decade

2. A violent revolution sets back the clock a few hundred/thousand years or will successfully guarantee freedom (depends on your perspective :-)

3. Something happens that no one (even the slave masters) did foresee.

 

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 08:31 | 2874337 LawsofPhysics
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#3 is the only viable option as #1 and #2 have already occurred.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 03:41 | 2873848 Skateboarder
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They only junk you cuz they're jealous. Keep Mendo green. Long live good bud.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:32 | 2873719 putaipan
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oh and water. applies to both subjects-

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:15 | 2873779 prains
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The only thing I’ll need is

 

somewhere to lance your boil without a 5000k visa bill

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 09:22 | 2874531 notbot
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What town?  Seriously, I'd like to know, sounds great.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 09:49 | 2874599 CR Bill
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I moved to/live in Costa Rica, works fine for me. Citizenship next year.

No drones, but sure have potholes.

Bill

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 09:44 | 2874583 WillyGroper
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How do you get around that water? Montezuma got me twice. I felt like I was dying & praying that I would!

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:23 | 2873444 Almost Solvent
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At least they don't have frickin' laser beams attached to their heads (yet!)

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:26 | 2873468 SHEEPFUKKER
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30,000 drones where the flights are always on time.  

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:27 | 2873472 Dr. Engali
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Don't you mean frikkin laser beams attached to their frikkin foreheads?

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:43 | 2873529 JPM Hater001
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Yes, it has been leaked the project is nicknamed project landshark

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:35 | 2873722 putaipan
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da...dunh. da...dunh. da...dunh.   .... 'knock -knock'.....?

 

(speilburg meets late '70's chevy chase snl)

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:13 | 2873593 Mr. Fix
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I bet they'll be doing chem-trails too...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:26 | 2873614 JLee2027
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Of course they will. And it will be "legal", because they said it is. So what comes first....tyranny forcing an eventual armed revolt or a currency collapse to remove the bums peacefully?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 05:29 | 2873907 StandardDeviant
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"The UAV must also have an integrated laser designator..."

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:26 | 2873469 philipat
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I vaguely recall a document called "The Constitution"??

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:30 | 2873484 Thomas
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As Bush said, "it's just a piece of paper."

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:27 | 2873616 JLee2027
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Except Bush nor Cheney ever said that. It's an unsubstantiated claim.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:07 | 2873681 hannah
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clinton said it was an unsubstantiated clam when monika said she did what she did...so who do you trust...?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:55 | 2873750 JLee2027
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What does that mean? I trust it's an unsubstantiated claim. Do you know what that means?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 05:50 | 2873921 Vlad Tepid
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What's unsubstantiated is that someone recorded them saying it at one point in time.  What is not unsubstantiated is that they acted like it was their creed.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:15 | 2875606 JLee2027
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No one "recorded" them. Where is the tape?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 11:57 | 2875063 hannah
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i didnt say claim...i said clam...big difference.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:47 | 2873950 Papasmurf
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When there's doubt, trust the DNA evidence. 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:33 | 2873626 Oh regional Indian
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Long and originally redundant document.

It was written by elites, for the elites.

Conned-stitution.

ori

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:31 | 2873717 HardAssets
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Sadly, the 'historically challenged' won't know what the hell youre talking about.

They need to look up 'anti-Federalists', "Hamiliton's push for the Constitution", 'Jeffersons view on the US constitution', and the 'Articles of Confederation' to start to get a clue. Some there tried to stem the con with the Bill of Rights.

There's more to dig into than all the kindergarten stories they 'taught' people in 'school'.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:45 | 2873739 putaipan
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oh regional indian- i think the next poster knows more about the cute little gold fringed stars and stripes than you do. its that change 'of' and 'for'  and CAPITAL LETTERS that was the big elitest move you were thinking of ....that and the bankruptcy of said coorporation in the the 30's that got us all fucked-up.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:52 | 2873747 HardAssets
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Yep . . . a helluva rabbit hole to go down into when you dig into the subject.

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:32 | 2875425 Cathartes Aura
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.

 

oh regional indian- i think the next poster knows more about the cute little gold fringed stars and stripes than you do.

nice detective work - you "think" one poster knows more than another, you and your seven upvotes, with zero awareness of what the ORI knows, because - whoa! - you've not asked, or researched his commentary, etc.

you just "think" - or not, as the case may be. . . DERP.  you know fuck all about your reality, but certainly could learn some things, were you to stop "thinking" and start asking/learning/researching. . .

hurr hurr, bitchez!!!!11!!

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:33 | 2873627 tip e. canoe
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that actually would make a very interesting basis for a pre-emptive class-action lawsuit against the DHS.   flip the pre-crime bullshit right back in their fucking fascist faces.

any attorneys-at-law with some cajones in the house?   DaveyJones?

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:53 | 2873658 Real Estate Geek
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Can't sue without a victim (i.e. someone who can prove they were spied upon to their detriment).  And by then it will be too late.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:50 | 2873745 putaipan
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OOOH OOOH ME MR. KOTTER!

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:09 | 2873930 JohnnyBriefcase
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In this day and age no search is "unreasonable".

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:25 | 2873940 DosZap
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In this day and age no search is "unreasonable".

Depends on who they try to search,WE still have the right to determine if WE want to be searched,and if we deem it reasonable.

Prepare accordingly.

NO Law is Law, unless it aligns with the Constitution, if it does not, then it is NO LAW is is not to be followed.

Until the Const is done away with Entirely, it still is the Supreme Law of the land.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:33 | 2873945 JohnnyBriefcase
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Oh, I fully agree. It all really depends on how much each individual will take and where we will draw the line. Maybe they haven't searched the right individuals yet or maybe they have and we just haven't heard about it.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:50 | 2873954 XitSam
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Drone sensors? Did I hear someone say 'false positives'? And where might these false positives be located? Hmmm.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 07:11 | 2873971 Cloud9.5
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I am harmed simply by the debilitating fear of being disappeared.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 08:33 | 2874397 tip e. canoe
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can't presume guilt without a trial either, but that's not stopping them.   you'd have to apply some creativity to the argument -- think a mix between something a legal scholar and a schizophrenic would write.   Clarence Darrow meets Philip K Dick.  

it might even be fun to write it open-source style, fully transparently since they're watching anywho, tho you'd have to design a method to keep the scammers from screwing it up.   trolls wouldn't be a problem since they would strengthen the argument by anticipating what a judge will most likely say.

the point wouldn't be to win the case necessarily, but to raise awareness while the program is still in the procurement stage.    people seem to have an innate revulsion against drone tech.   best to use that to provide some pushback to force them to employ the totalitarian tiptoe vs. the full-on stasi steamroller.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:58 | 2873957 nmewn
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"any attorneys-at-law with some cajones in the house?"

Its not a law issue...its a hack into their communication with the drone and drive it into the ground issue ;-)

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 08:36 | 2874411 tip e. canoe
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:01 | 2873567 j-dub
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Any recollection of fthe constitution will, in the near future, certainly fall under a "situation the DHS needs to be "aware" of.

My opinion?  Forget the constitution and move on with your life.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 01:00 | 2873671 merizobeach
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"move on with your life."

Outside of the fascist hell that is the USuckAss.

Oh, nevermind, you all like it there so much.  And anyway, us expats prefer that you stay; there's already too many americans in the world; at least their detrimental impact, though still tremendous, is minimized when they remain within the borders.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:19 | 2873784 Intoxicologist
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Is that AnAnon's pseudo, gaytard, alternate persona?  Fuck you and your smugness.  I'm sure wherever you are, the locals think you're an Ugly American prick.  Not everybody can leave who might entertain the thought.  Plus, who uses two semi-colons to link a single sentence?  Maybe you can get your GED overseas while you're bashing us dumbasses. 

 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:08 | 2873582 Schmuck Raker
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"...the [Constitution] is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules."

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:41 | 2873526 SafelyGraze
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"30,000 drones?!"

a long way still from "one for every man, woman, and child"

in man-to-man defense, you assign a defender (drone) to each player (natural person).

in zone defense, you assign a defender (drone) to a given region (street address) where it can hover.

you can also use hybrid defenses, with a few droned stationed over each address and outside each window and over each intersection. plus a swarm to follow a person of interest.

just think of them as angels. friends. companions.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:13 | 2873592 MsCreant
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I'm thinking of "fakes" and "fouls."

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:51 | 2873818 AnAnonymous
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And by the end of the decade, still eight years to go.

A small 'american' government program to subsidize technology 'americans' are eager of using in wars...

Moving on.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 03:00 | 2873826 Intoxicologist
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And by the end of the block, still eight shits to go.

A small Chinese Shiticizenism program to subsidize roadside cleanup, falls flat, despite eager paper companies' bids to roll out the asswipe.

Bowel movement, onward, on the turd-hand* side of the road. 

 

*Borrowed from the FourthStooge-ing!  LOL

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:37 | 2875447 Cathartes Aura
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chimp'd from 4thStooge because your brain doesn't function past snatch 'n' repeat.

"LOL"

Tue, 10/09/2012 - 23:58 | 2873562 Antifaschistische
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30.06

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:08 | 2873580 HoofHearted
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Really, Officer, I was aiming at that duck when a damn drone just flew right through the path. Simple birdshot took it down. Sorry.

(Harder to legitimize if you hit the thing with your AR-15 or AK-47.)

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:16 | 2873599 MsCreant
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It's all I have to hunt with. Is that bad Officer? My bullet thingies seem to go further than when I use my Ladysmith.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 02:04 | 2873762 HardAssets
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Gotta love a woman with a Ladysmith !

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:48 | 2873646 drunkenlout
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You don't shoot 'em down.  You spoof 'em down, like Ron Brown's plane.  Put a medical marijuana plant on the roof of your local gestapo.  Spill ammonia on the Natty Guard parking lot.  Write some code:  Let Altitude = Altitude + 4000.  Let Vector = Vector + 15 degrees, next V.  Gosub Cheyenne Mountain.  

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 06:03 | 2873928 JohnG
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Excellent idea.  We could also just spread gunpowder everywhere and confuse the hell out of them.  Gunpowder is cheap.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:56 | 2873666 Real Estate Geek
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OK, but how are you going to know what to shoot at?  The drones in US airspace won't look like Reapers and Predators.  They'll look like Cessnas and Piper Cubs.  And they'll be too high to see.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 05:51 | 2873922 Martel
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No way to shoot them down, or even to see them? In that case it is GAME OVER for you. Swim or sink.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:26 | 2873615 FreedomGuy
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It will fit in well with the red light cameras going up on every corner, the video cameras on streets the ability to listen to you through your own phone and locate you, as well.

It will end up as Ron Paul stated with cameras in every home...for our own good.

I will move to that island in the movie Castaway. Anyone with me?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 00:54 | 2873662 drunkenlout
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Wilson is with you.  

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