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Guest Post: How To Identify The True Enemies Of Freedom

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of,

The greatest and most often exploited weakness of any revolution for freedom is the inability of the downtrodden populace to identify the true enemy.  History is littered with the shattered remnants of rebellions that were built upon legitimate causes but suffered because of misdirection and faulty assumptions.  For centuries, the real culprits of tyranny have found ways to redirect the ire of those they harmed in their quest for power, usually by offering a tempting scapegoat that appeals to the public’s darker impulses; their biases, their prejudices, their fears, etc.  Usually, this ends in an even more pervasive totalitarian environment as the insurgents and the scapegoats decimate each other while the elites sit back and enjoy the show.  

Even the most successful battles against despotism, like the American Revolution, often only had a distant sense of who they were really fighting against.  This is what makes the 21st Century extraordinarily unique in the annals of civilization.  For the first time in human record, the common man has all the information necessary to examine and define the real culprits behind his subjugation.  The truth is at our fingertips, all we have to do is reach out and take it…

Because of the decentralized nature of information flowing through the alternative web media, our ability to generate opposition to organized elitism has never been greater.  However, this also means the stakes have never been higher.  The establishment understands well that their criminality is clearly visible, and eventually, they will be personally subject to the rage of the people.  The next fight could very well be the last for them. 

Their playbook may be old, but the tactics they use can always be applied on a grander and more terrible scale.  Not only will they pursue whatever menacing distractions necessary to occupy the attentions of the public, they will also attempt to pose as guiding lights in the darkness they themselves created.  They will hide behind broad generalized target groups; fabricated boogie men, branded and prepackaged like franchise coffee shops on every street corner of America’s collective psyche.  Terrorists, traitors, saboteurs, whatever ethnic group happens to be convenient at the moment, whoever is easiest to present as a target for our projected malice; false enemies will be rolled out like a nightmare buffet. 

If our nation and the rest of the world have any chance of achieving peace and liberty, it will be because those who choose to dissent against the totalitarian tide focus on the authentic virus invading and assimilating our culture.  Some call them “elitists”, “collectivists”, “centralists”, etc.  They sometimes even refer to themselves as such, but the most prominent and useful label today is that of “globalist”.   That said, we must ask what it is that defines these people?  What makes them who they are?  The following is a list of behaviors and characteristics that have been common to oligarchs through most of history.  Regardless of how a political or financial leader presents himself through rhetoric, if he displays these properties in action, he is more likely than not an opponent of individual freedom and an adversary to the principles of honor and conscience that all good men strive for. 

1)  They Seek Centralization Of Power

Does your favorite political candidate, corporate “guru”, or media shill have a history of promoting globalization, economic harmonization, socialization, etc., sacrificing the protections of sovereignty in the name of some “greater good” that never seems to come?  Does every action they take only appear to benefit a select elite?  Do they regimentally remove options and choices from the system?  Do all of their solutions ultimately lead to the same outcome?  Do all the roads they build converge towards less liberty for the masses and more control for government?  Is their answer for every crisis to remove checks and balances and borders?  Do they constantly claim that sovereign and Constitutional protections get in the way of “progress”?  Do they use phrases like “the greater good” or “sustainable development” on a regular basis?  Add them to your list of potential mass murderers, and unfriend them on your social media accounts.  They do not have your best interests at heart… 

2)  They Enforce Policies Despite Widespread Disapproval

In any healthy Republic, the political class is supposed to be the servant of the people.  Their employment is supposed to be predicated on their willingness to hear and understand the wishes of their constituency.  If a bill or policy arises that threatens the civil liberties or financial safety of the people, and they call for a representative to oppose it, that is exactly what he is supposed to do.  If he does otherwise, and supports a damaging or unconstitutional bill while fully aware of massive voter resistance, it means he is not in fear for his job, which means his job has not necessarily been secured by our votes, which means he is likely working for somebody else; somebody who will benefit from the bill in question. 

Two perfect examples would be the passage of the banker bailout bills, and the indefinite detention provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act.  Both were vehemently opposed by a majority of Americans on both sides of the so called political “aisle”, and yet, they were given a majority support by our representatives in government.  This reveals an ulterior motivation within our government that is, to put it bluntly, treasonous.  If they voted for a liberty killing bill, then cross them off your roster of principled leaders and add them to your list of enemies…

3)  They Find Ways To Rationalize Any Behavior

Sociopaths and psychopaths operate on their own personal form of twisted rationalism.  The magic of pure cold logic untempered by conscience or intuitive wisdom is that truth can become whatever we want it to become as long as our inner voice remains repressed.  For them, any crime can be vindicated as long as a perceived benefit can somehow be derived.  For a globalist oligarch, however, psychopathy goes far beyond mechanical moral relativism.  They are well aware that their actions are an affront to human conscience, and, they couldn’t care less.  Instead, they use rationalism as a way to manipulate the public into accepting their maniacal behavior so that they can continue without interference. 

Globalists are so convinced of their own intellectual superiority that they feel no desire for redemption, or to compartmentalize their own evil.  They embrace that evil fully as if it were a form of strength.  One weakness of this philosophy is that it comes with a strange obsession; a desperate drive to inject moral relativism into all people around the globalist.  This exposes an inherent reliance on surrounding environment, and dependency on one’s environment to reinforce a belief system is a significant psychological weakness. 

The great power that truth holds over the empire of lies is that the truth is not contingent on mass perception; it exists regardless of how many people believe in it.  It is autonomous.  The truth has its own soul, and arises from the ashes again and again without the benefit of mass recognition.  Lies and perverted rationalizations require an astounding amount of energy and armies of the ignorant in order to exist.  A foundation of lies is inferior, and thus, anyone who depends upon the existence of that foundation is also, by association, inferior.  Globalist are, therefore, a sub-species, an unnecessary and outdated remnant of social evolution that should be allowed to finally fade out and die away.              

4)  They Promote Economic Dependency

Anyone who consistently tells you that you need them in order to survive has something to gain by your dependency.  A good person or government seeks to make people INDEPENDENT and self reliant, so that they can survive on their own merits and participate in the construction of their own destinies.  A manipulative person or government needs people to believe that without the services the despot provides all will come to ruin.  Totalitarian control cannot exist unless WE hand that control to them.  If the man before you claims that there is no other way to live except through him or his system, no matter how charmingly he phrases it, add him to your list as a danger to your freedom. 

5)  They Belong To A Think Tank

I am usually apprehensive about using a broad brush to paint any single group or subset as fully criminal and beyond repair.  This kind of methodology is used daily by globalists to create rifts in societies and lure people into destroying each other.  However, I have tried to the utmost of my ability to find an influential think tank with ties to the government in our modern era that does not display the despicable behaviors listed so far, and for the life of me, I can’t find a single one.  From the the CFR, to the Rand Corporation, to the Washington Institute For Near East Policy, you will find the many of the same exact writhing globalist tapeworms and most certainly the same exact philosophies of moral relativism on display.  If they belong to a mainstream think tank, they are not a friend to liberty.   

6)  They Cast No Reflection In The Mirror

Or perhaps I’m thinking of a different kind of monster…

7)  They Promote Military Force As The Primary Means To Achieve Their Ideological Objectives

Do they confront the dynamic of every social and diplomatic problem with the use of military force and the death of those who disagree with them?  Does every conflict between them and another culture end with the destruction of thousands if not millions?  Do they flaunt a distinct kind of “my way or the highway to hell” kind of attitude?  Do they seem to crave war to the point that they are willing to manufacture excuses to fire the first missile?  If they are a warmonger, then they are your enemy, even when they happen to be trying to kill people you don’t necessarily like at the moment.

8)  They Offer Promises They Never Intend To Keep

If a politician promises to end an illegal war and pull American troops from the battlefield if elected to office, and then doesn’t, or, pretends to pull troops out while maintaining permanent bases and shifting private Blackwater-style contractors into the field to take their place, then he is a liar.  It’s that simple.  If a central banker promises fiat printing and massive stimulus programs will unfreeze credit markets and generate an employment recovery within a couple of years, and the fiscal situation only becomes worse afterwards, then he is a liar.  It’s that simple. 

If a person in a position of power continuously makes promises that are impossible to fulfill, or that he obviously knows cannot be fulfilled, then he is buying time.  But buying time for what?  Well, usually, he is buying time so that he can consolidate more power, and he is hoping the public will be duped into giving that power to him in exchange for false hopes and empty dreams.  Any entity, corporate or governmental, that is unable to attain the public’s consent without conning them, is an enemy to the welfare of the public, and should be removed like a throbbing tick.

9) You Wouldn’t Leave Your Children Alone With Them

Ask yourself, could you leave your children in a room with this person or group and feel safe about it?  If the answer is an honest “No”, then how could you leave your country and your children’s future in their hands instead…?    

In the coming years, the American people will face numerous threats; some real, some imagined in the sterile conference rooms of a black-hearted think tanks.  But, the most terrifying threat to our cultural roots of free thought, expression, and prosperity is wielded by a very particular and exclusive group of thin-blooded ego-maniacs.  Identifying them is not difficult.  Hiding their true nature is nearly impossible for a person or institution whose narcissism is so pronounced.  They adore their own insanity and wish to share it with the world.  If they fit the profile listed above, it is a guarantee that they will wreak havoc upon your life, directly or indirectly, someday.  Know who they are, so that when that time comes you know who to blame, and who to bring to justice.


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Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:25 | 2875404 Gully Foyle
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These fucking topics are becoming more absurd bottom of the barrel scraping.

Too many people looking for a way to repeat the same old shit.

Maybe some of them could shut the fuck up, or alternate days.

God I wish I still drank and used dope.

At least then these shit posts would seem more interesting.


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:30 | 2875420 Desert Irish
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God I wish I still drank and used dope.

Yep we wish you did too Gully ;-P


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:34 | 2875432 no taste
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See something, say something.

See an idiot with an Obummer 2012 sticker and tell that person she is an idiot.

See a deluded man with Ruinme 2012 sticker and tell him that he is deluded.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:46 | 2875457 Dalago
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SO these enemies of freedom are psycho paths.  5 is debatable because Cato Institute is a Liberty think tank.  But yea, most of them are playing Pinky and the Brain theme music trying to take over the world.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:54 | 2875525 goldfish1
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The picture shows the henchmen doing their master's bidding. Lets see Rockefeller and Rothschild and many more and their families so they can be recognized and vilified and brought to justice for crimes against humanity. Henchmen included.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:32 | 2875671 The Alarmist
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They wear lapel pins and/or ribbons to show you how much they care.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 16:22 | 2876025 Christophe2
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This list sucks, 'cos it isn't specific enough and omits the most visible marker: the criminals are all zionists, they all make a big deal out of protecting Israel above national interests.


Another easy way to detect the liars: see if they say the obvious truth about 911 or if instead they try to buttress the lies of the system.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:06 | 2876151 CH1
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Troll, troll, go away,

stay gone on this and every day.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 16:28 | 2876037 johnQpublic
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the people he is pointing out are only the front men for the real bad guys

problem is, you will never have a complete list of the real motherfuckers

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:09 | 2876159 CH1
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THE problem is the system that gives these idiots power over everyone else.

So long as power structures exist, sociopaths will weasle their ways into power. ALWAYS.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 21:30 | 2876689 crouton
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Various personality disorders centring around narcissism, yes.

Sadly around 28% of any population will blindly follow them because of their 'charm' and being 'doers'

Having zero morality and seeing everyone around you as cardboard cutouts to be used for your own ends is a hell of an advantage to rising to the top of any powerstructure. like scum, they float to the top.

possible solutions include DE-centralisation (fewer power structures with less power), and instead of elections, having a system closer to jury duty, at least that way the number of sociopaths in power will be normalised, instead of weighted to favor them.

We are fighting our own human nature and it's fallibilty to some degree.


when i see articles like this on the BBC front page, I know i'm right about this, and the hollow men are shitting themselves about being outed.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:51 | 2875503 Skateboarder
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I can't fucking stand this snitching culture that's being promoted. They're trying to get us to turn on each other. WHAT THE FUCK MAN!

And on topic of centralization... why do people come to respect centralized entities, even when a completely disgraced media reports about their misdoings. It's as if the public itself knows no shame, no honor. Goddamn this apathy...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:56 | 2875534 goldfish1
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Goddamn this apathy...

My brother suggested it's more like the herd pausing...sensing something...before they move.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:18 | 2875621 A Lunatic
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A herd of lemmings maybe..............

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:27 | 2875655 no taste
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To: Skateboarder

My "see something, say something" comment is a joke.

Telling an offending person that they are offending is not snitching.  It is being an adult.  Doing it in a snide, insulting way can be fun, but only if the offender deserves it, and that is something that is rather hard to judge correctly.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:34 | 2875681 Skateboarder
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Duh, I know you were making a joke. I was just being pissed at the whole concept of the SSSS snitchy shit they're pushing out these days.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:00 | 2875772 Raymond Reason
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The same thing happened to the Soviets.  They became very reticent and paranoid.  Justifiably

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:16 | 2875823 no taste
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Skateboarder, sometimes it is hard to know what other posters are thinking.  Also, I didn't want others to read your comment and think I was encouraging snitching.  SS,SS is evil.

I think it is important to laugh at those who this article identifies as the enemies of freedom for lots of reasons and to help those who fail to see the real enemies see them.  That is one of the reasons for my posts.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:51 | 2876293 Stuck on Zero
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Skateboarder: I'm gonna turn you in.


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 21:39 | 2876709 crouton
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It's what they do, and it's easy for them. most of us are generally trusting and believe what we're told in good faith, and struggle to comprehend the type of malicious self serving scheming these worthless shells are capable of.It's higly effective in isolating you and undermining your self esteem.

Some people just want to be led, it's easier than thinking. The price they pay is to get abused.

I have several aquaintances that have personal relationships with the same type of abuse in them. They cant seem to leave them, and if they do they keep coming back. 'I know he loves me' & 'but i can change him' are two common mantras i hear.

The state has become our abusive partner


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:46 | 2875489 tradingdaze
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I'm glad I still do.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 16:45 | 2876089 petolo
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No need to drink or take more dope; your brain is already alzheimered . The nursing homes are all ready for you. Don,t forget to take your meds.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:34 | 2875429 MsCreant
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But, but, I LOL at #6. It was funny!

Gully, write something unique and submit it to ZH. You sure have been bitching about the content enough lately. Put up or shut up sweet heart!

P.S. I did not junk you.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:37 | 2875449 chumbawamba
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Yeah, seriously.  Are the breads and circuses just not doing it for you anymore, Gully?  GO MAKE YOUR OWN BREAD AND ORGANIZE YOUR OWN CIRCUS, YOU JACK ASS.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:34 | 2875678 The Alarmist
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What happened to your "I WILL NOT OBEY" avatar?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:03 | 2875785 chumbawamba
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Ever observe a caterpillar?


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 19:28 | 2876450 The Alarmist
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No, but I think one crawled over my face while I was sleeping in the jungle.

I am not Chumbawamba, but if I am lucky I may metamorphose one day ....

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:35 | 2875439 Overfed
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Why don't you submit an article telling us how good we've got it? Maybe one calling all of us doomer libertarians a bunch of ingrates for not loving Big Sis and her never ending efforts to save us? Save us from the terrorists, the corporations, from ourselves. Let us know that we are all just man-children who need a nanny state government to care for us. Or, conversly, you could just shut the fuck up.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:36 | 2875443 MsCreant
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See above you. Great minds and all.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:39 | 2875456 SubjectivObject
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I suggest it's time for you to graduate ZH.

Take your understanding into the outside world and make it a better place. 

Certainly, get back with your results, if you feel that's worthwhile.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:39 | 2875458 digitlman
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If you don't like it, delete your account and fuck off.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:41 | 2875465 chumbawamba
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What've you contributed to ZH besides your banal, sophmoric, oftentimes pointless comments?  You get what you pay for.  For instance, you paid with booze and dope, and look at you now.  You are a product of your own purchase.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:35 | 2875682 The Alarmist
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We all have our place in the eco-system.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:41 | 2875468 Skateboarder
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Smoke weed, Gully, and listen to Spirit Caravan. Everything will be better, I promise. "Infinite sadness becomes ultimate wisdom"... ;)

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:58 | 2875538 goldfish1
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Frustration acknowleged.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:16 | 2875612 P'Od_Accountant
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The bottom of barrel scraping dope you talk about is probably going to save humanity after all this shit comes tumbling down.  In 100 years historians are going to ponder, why the eff did people think "voting(used liberally and laughably)" in psycho-sociopaths who made a miracle plant illegal was beneficial to society?  

I see trees of green........ red roses too
I see em bloom..... for me and for you
And I think to myself.... what a wonderful world.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:23 | 2875642 Turin Turambar
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"God I wish I still drank and used dope."


Would we be able to tell the difference? ;-)

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:49 | 2875700 NewWorldOrange
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The irony...the irony...

A superb article, and as the author of the article alluded to, sociopaths are narcissists by nature.

Gully Foyle in the comment at the top said:

"These fucking topics are becoming more absurd bottom of the barrel scraping. Too many people looking for a way to repeat the same old shit. Maybe some of them could shut the fuck up, or alternate days.God I wish I still drank and used dope. At least then these shit posts would seem more interesting."

applicable Narcissistic Personality Disorder symptoms:

Rage attacks when you do not sufficiently meet his/her needs

Dramatic, insecure behaviors

Blaming you for his own behaviors or feelings

Not taking responsibility for angry behavior and justifying angry outbursts.

An attitude that demonstrates "the world revolves around me" and "you need to cater to my ideas, opinions, thoughts, and feelings."

Truth hurts.

Glad you're not running for office Gully. You'd probably win.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 16:56 | 2876127 Clashfan
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Yeah, NWO, I don't get it. I do like some of Gully's insightful comments, on occasion, but WTF? I don't even see a specific complaint he's listing about the piece. Personally, I think the piece is on target but needs some significant padding with specific details (names, phone numbers, addresses, country clubs, allergies, etc).

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:19 | 2876184 NewWorldOrange
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Heh. The hell of it is, Gully didn't even have time to read the article and be the first to post as well.

Of course, that applies to all the other Ikea Boyz around here who are less interested in reading the article and then offering some insight or constructive, specific criticism than in being first to post, or in being near the top by replying to the first post or the one in reply to that, which itself is rarely a "reply" at all but just someone else's attempt to be seen.

Look at me! Look at me! A lot of the folks around here have an issue with narcissism. Maybe Gully is just one of many.

Insecure sissies need recognition from the herd I guess. Green arrows and all that. Daily Affirmation.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:35 | 2876250 Clashfan
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Meanwhile, speaking of globalists and enemies, the "global warming" goons are at it again. More Antarctic ice, tough to explain? Nope. Global warming causes that, too:

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 18:55 | 2876401 Westcoastliberal
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Say NWO since you brought it up, (and I couldn't agree more), but I must share that "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" is in the process of becoming "normalized" by the APA. Their quote states NPD is "not necessarily a disorder in and of itself".  I guess there are now SO MANY who inflict exhibit these symptoms that it just CAN'T be a "disorder"'s becoming the "norm".  Here's the link:

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:43 | 2875706 larz
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settle down gully

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:12 | 2875809 XRAYD
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 Fear and safety are now interchangeable in a speculative and high stakes game of perception. The efficient frontier is now contorted to such a degree that traditional empirical views are no longer relevant.

 The problem is that the abstraction of the market has become an economic reality unto itself. You can no longer play by the old rules since those rules no longer apply.

. For the next decade this market is going to reward philosophers [of history] over students of business.


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:26 | 2875407 Fix It Again Timmy
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Bingo, spot on! 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:28 | 2875411 Fix It Again Timmy
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Clarification needed - my comment applies to the article, not the preceding comment...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:29 | 2875415 LongSoupLine
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the enemies of freedom are those whom see the wrongs being commited, yet do nothing about it.


hence, why dancing with the stars news is more important to the mass public than the crimes of Congress, Fed, etc

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:37 | 2875893 Dr. Sandi
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I fear the crimes of Congress, Fed, etc are no longer news.

Throw me a blanket, I'm getting numb.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:30 | 2875417 LMAOLORI
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About time someone set the record straight the enemy is indeed the politicians. Interesting how so many see terrorism or al Qaeda as a boogey man threat used by politicians but all you free thinking folks are not too quick to catch on that the Fed exists ONLY WITH THE PERMISSION OF OUR POLITICIANS PERIOD. In other words the politicians have successfully misdirected the anger from themself's to the Fed. 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:42 | 2875471 Bay of Pigs
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LOL. Permission? Apparently you just missed Jamie Dimon on the BlowHorn [CNBC] for the last hour at the CFR meeting blasting the politicians and regulators as the problem.

Maybe if you realized the Banksters own them, and run the country from the real Seat of Power (NY FED), you'd break free of your severe case of Cog Dis.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:46 | 2875491 Bastiat
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Right, it's more like the Congress only exists with the permission of the Fed. 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:03 | 2875553 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Exacty right Bay!

"We did the Federal Reserve a favor when we bought Bear Stearns."

Jamie Dimon


"You" are the feds you globalist tape worm and some of us actually understand that!

Best Guess Fed ownership:


The top 4 banks:  B of A, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup & Wells Fargo-Wachovia control roughly 54% of the stock of the Federal Reserve Bank.  The top 10 banks, including Goldman Sachs, HSBC and the Bank of New York control roughly 70% of the stock.


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:10 | 2875580 Bay of Pigs
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+1 Tuco,

It's getting harder to distinguish sock puppets/trolls/numbskulls from the real posters around here.

In any case, I'm calling bullshit on this LMAOLORI character.


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:42 | 2875697 LMAOLORI
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The fact that the politicians are bribed doesn't change the fact that the Fed exists because they allow it to. You are one of those dumbed down people I spoke of. BTW jamie dimon is obama's favorite banker that's well known and who do you think protected jamie dimon from pitchforks obama.  The government could shut them down in a minute if they wanted to the reason they won't is because of the power of being able to spend OUR tax money with abandon and it preserves the politicians power.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:18 | 2875830 Bay of Pigs
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Fine. You are a troll and will treated as such going forward.


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:21 | 2875836 LMAOLORI
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Typical liberal tactic when you have nothing of substance to offer you call someone a name to distract from the real conversation.

JPMorgan Feigns Injury From Lawsuit Pinprick

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:27 | 2875851 Bay of Pigs
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LOL. You've been given the evidence on Romney and you haven't answered any of the questions put to you for the last several threads.

That is what shills and trolls do. Your propaganda and disinformation wont work here. Move on loser.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:49 | 2875506 MachoMan
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You're missing the forrest for the trees.  Is the enemy the politicians or the system in which they operate?  Could each and every politician be replaced and then everything be magically better? 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 08:07 | 2877335 Urban Redneck
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the system needs to be changed, the politicians, however unlikely, are the easiest route to changing the system, but no route to the desired change is either painless or risk-free

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:30 | 2875418 ZippyBananaPants
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Who was listening to Jamie Dimon on Bloomberg and thinks he sounds like Barney Frank?  Working at my desk with my head turned and realize he sounds just like him.



Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:59 | 2875541 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Apparently, anyone who has a cock in their mouths a couple hours a day develops that speech tendency?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:37 | 2875426 fonzannoon
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Has anyone else gotten to the point where they know who the author is of the guest post by the title of the article? Mark Grant is the easiest because my screen smells like dirty scotch.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:44 | 2875476 SemperFord
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Should we worry that you know what a dirty crotch smells like? Just saying LOL

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:50 | 2875508 Alpo for Granny
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Hey Semper..he said SCOTCH. Your Freudian slip is showing..

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:06 | 2875567 fonzannoon
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Thanks for that.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:23 | 2875641 SemperFord
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LOL, yeah, sorry guys but I do have a dirty mind and reading in and out while working does not help, My apoligies Fonz.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:12 | 2875813 BlueCollaredOne
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You sure you don't mean "reading in and out while wanking?"

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:35 | 2875880 SemperFord
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BCO I don't think that would be appropriate at work, maybe I should move to the San Fernando valley to work in porn, then it might be OK. Thing is I obviously have to pay more attention to work than posts.

Like a coworker comes in saying he had "The most delicious thing last night" I'm thinking he went down on a female who eats fruits and veggies because it affects the way the taste, turns out he went to a restaurant. Yes, I know I have problems, not easy being a sex addict.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:34 | 2875433 mrktwtch2
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"in times of opression the truth becomes the states number 1 enemy.."..geoge orwell

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:34 | 2875436 AnAnonymous
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That is good.

The 'american' revolution was centralization of power.
'Americans' wanted to centralize power to their side of the pond.

The King exerted a decentralized authority on the american economy.

With stuff as a result like that the english King did not allow slavery in England but for some of them had to surrender to the burgeoning middle class in the americas for whom slavery was a vital element of their welfare.

First point would elect 'americans' by this 'american' author's standards.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:44 | 2875478 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I am an enemy of freedom.

Signed: AnAnonymous

P.S.: Kick me.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:55 | 2875527 PiratePawpaw
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"With stuff as a result like that..." A compelling arguement to be sure.

"The 'american' revolution was centralization of power.
'Americans' wanted to centralize power to their side of the pond.

The King exerted a decentralized authority on the american economy."

WTH? Is it even possible for a king to exert a decentralizing authority?

Have you ever studied any history?

 The American Civil War did centralize power to the Fed Govt and away from the states. The rest of your post is gibberish.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 08:12 | 2877343 Urban Redneck
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he probably read one of those crappy us indoctrination textbooks that was translated into chinese by the same commie rocket scientists who translate icrap manuals into english

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:44 | 2875437 Cognitive Dissonance
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"The greatest and most often exploited weakness of any revolution for freedom is the inability of the downtrodden populace to identify the true enemy."

Very often to see your enemy clearly requires recognizing your own weaknesses. Our ego is cleverly manipulated in order to blind ourselves to the obvious. Thus we can recognize our idiot neighbors, but rarely our self.

<Don't look now but that way be dragons.> 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:50 | 2875493 falak pema
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the answer is as simple as the truth is unprintable : the greatest enemies to our own freedom are OURSELVES.

The intelligence of these Machiavellian sons is that THEY know it and act accordingly. They are wolves who hunt in sheep's clothing and consult is secret conclaves where they exchange the important issues and make the important decisions. While we fight as individuals. 

"The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in ourselves..."

And we know HOW that finished. 

Only those who suck up to the Oligarchs survive...Life is such a twisted game. 

Only once in a while, like in 1789, do the people react to fight the enemy within. And even then...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:55 | 2875529 Skateboarder
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Long live Bastille day. Unfortunately, it will take starving masses to incite one of our own, and by then it will be too late.

Hah, "truth"... what an outdated word.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:03 | 2876140 Clashfan
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BS, and I'm tired of seeing that stupid, mainstream myth perpetuated on ZH and Max Keiser, et al.

The French Revolution was a staged Templar game from start to finish.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:53 | 2875520 Drachma
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As the world turns...

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of the people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
    – John Sherman - (in letter to Morton and Gould in support of the National Banking Act)

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:50 | 2875727 Ignatius
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People are sick in the head.

The final revelation is to turn the corner and realize that we, too, are sick in the head.

Perhaps not as sick as Barrack, Mitt or Hillary, as examples, but sick nonetheless.

I guess we can feel better knowing that a matter of degree becomes a matter of substance.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 21:52 | 2876732 crouton
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Well said. That is why people prefer to think the problem is david icke's lizard aliens, or the Joooz, or anything else that helps them avoid the conclusion that both the problem and solutions lie in all of us.

Self serving narcissism and sociopathy crosses all borders and racial boundaries, however some cultures are inherently more narcissistic than others. That isn't by accident either. Normalising it makes it easier for them to operate. 

People who take deckchairs up hills to cheer kids getting bombed with white phosphorous and are quite happy to be interviewed on TV about it might be an indication that your society has fallen prey to this.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:37 | 2875448 tbone654
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a loss of fiscal responsibility, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to  apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage." -- by Alexander Fraser Tytler

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:41 | 2875466 tbone654
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In the year of Uzziah's death, the Lord commissioned the prophet (Isaiah) to go out and warn the people of the wrath to come. "Tell them what a worthless lot they are." He said, "Tell them what is wrong, and why and what is going to happen unless they have a change of heart and straighten up. Don't mince matters. Make it clear that they are positively down to their last chance. Give it to them good and strong and keep on giving it to them. I suppose perhaps I ought to tell you," He added, "that it won't do any good. The official class and their intelligentsia will turn up their noses at you and the masses will not even listen. They will all keep on in their own ways until they carry everything down to destruction, and you will probably be lucky if you get out with your life." Isaiah had been very willing to take on the job – in fact, he had asked for it – but the prospect put a new face on the situation. It raised the obvious question: Why, if all that were so – if the enterprise were to be a failure from the start – was there any sense in starting it? "Ah," the Lord said, "you do not get the point. There is a Remnant there that you know nothing about. They are obscure, unorganized, inarticulate, each one rubbing along as best he can. They need to be encouraged and braced up because when everything has gone completely to the dogs, they are the ones who will come back and build up a new society; and meanwhile, your preaching will reassure them and keep them hanging on. Your job is to take care of the Remnant, so be off now and set about it."

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:35 | 2876248 zapdude
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Nice.  Good paraphrase of the original verses. 

If you believe in the Fourth Turning and that we've entered the Crisis stage, we few souls who are dedicated and prepared could become the heroes of the future that survive what is coming and build a new society.  Unless this Crisis is the final one...

We should all be working now, because when the collapse finally accelerates and exhausts itself in smoldering ruins, the magnitude of changes that normally occur over a span of years or decades will be compressed into weeks and months.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:56 | 2876301 otto skorzeny
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more like days and hours

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 14:54 | 2902080 BigJim
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:37 | 2875450 Raymond Reason
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Who are these people?  One has to peel away the layers, the parasites, the nepotists, the zionists, the kabbalists, freemasons, find Satanists.  And i don't mean death metal musicians and their fans. 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:04 | 2875559 john39
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most have been programed to associate satanism with dissaffected kids playing heavy metal music...  the truth is far more insidious... it is the worship of power, of self...  and they have been fighting to control the world for a long time.  now its all on the line, do or die... its out in the open for anyone watching.  the epidemic of child molestation is one element of this....  the wars, the corporate fascism, the destruction of human dignity and culture... the destruction of the food chain, natural foods, health and medicine...  everywhere, in your face.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:50 | 2875731 Raymond Reason
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its out in the open for anyone watching

This is the alchemical psychodrama for the transormation of humanity.  While various false flags and assasinations serve many purposes, at their core, they are intrically choreographed ceremonies of ritual murder.  They are a public Black Mass where the pews are filled by the entire nation through the corporate media. 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:06 | 2876148 Clashfan
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Absolutely. They are and have always been Luciferian mass murderers, child rapists, psychopaths. What's in charge is a system--a Luciferian one, based entirely in secret societies and occultism.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:45 | 2876247 New World Chaos
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Always glad to see you guys raising awareness about Satanism.  Keep up the good work.  Every month, there are more of us who know the horrible truth. Anyone who doubts the pervasive Satanic conspiracy can verify it by clicking this link.  It's also a good way to extract some personal entertainment from fundamentalist friends and relatives. Direct them to  Tell them to look at the little elephant peeking out of the "O" in "GOP" in the upper left corner of the page.  Ask them if there's anything funny about the stars on the elephant's back (they are upside down).  Ask them what this represents (Satan).  Tell them the GOP flipped the stars on the elephant back in 2005.  Show them this video if necessary: v=VB8DTd5Di3E&feature=player_ embedded


Now ask them for a logical explanation of this.  Something better than it representing an upside down flag even while Bush was in power.  Something better than evil hackers changing the images after they leave the computers of God's Own Party.  Laugh at their spluttering.

I think there are only two plausible explanations.  The less likely explanation (still good for a blown gasket?) is that GOP market researchers might have decided to wink at Satanists because there are more smart Satanists than smart fundamentalists.  "Smart" is the key word here. 

The more likely explanation is that the GOP (and the rest of the system) is in fact run by Satanists who believe they can gain power over an ignorant public by openly hoodwinking them.  The logo is old enough that by now somebody has surely pointed out that it might alienate a few fundamentalists.  If it was unimportant, they would change it back, yet the stars remain upside down.  Therefore, they must be that way because top people have an important reason to keep it that way.  Hammer this point home.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:52 | 2876295 zapdude
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Wow, learned something new there.  Seems stupid and juvenile at face value (who cares?), but then you think 'huh, why are the stars upside down?'

Doesn't make any sense to me other than support the satanic conspiracy.  It was there the whole time, hiding in plain sight.

I remember the Proctor & Gamble product packaging used to have the moon with a face in it and 13 stars -- there was so much backlash to it they discontinued it in 1985.  Why wouldn't the GOP do the same thing if its not satanic?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 20:36 | 2876587 Cathartes Aura
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just wanted to say that this is a great example of ZH'g - a corner where people share what they know, the subject gets added to, then,

Wow, learned something new there


not every thread has to hold the key(s), some are worth trollin' - but if every thread has the same tired verbiage, then it gets stale & boring - and YES I can stop reading, the ole "amrka, love it or leave it" boring meme - but I remember when it was hard to get through the comments here because they were dense with great insight, to 'n' fro banter even.

zapdude, you may not think it's important, but you bring up something increasingly rare, memory. . . this is what all distracting gadgetry, all the aluminium, fluoride, etc. works on - memory.  that you can remember something as seemingly obscure as a P & G logo change, AND share it with others keeping the topic real. . .

that's subversive.  /cheer.


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 21:07 | 2876633 New World Chaos
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BTW, Satan has achieved a bipartisan consensus.  Go to and look for their logo halfway down the page on the right.  Notice anything funny about the star which is the donkey's eye?  Click the image if it's too small to be clear.

A vote for the lesser evil is a vote for the greater evil.  So why vote for the lesser evil?  Cthulhu 2012!

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 21:57 | 2876740 Cathartes Aura
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I don't vote, never have, never will - it only fills the mind with non-sense to even entertain the thought(s).

the only sides are "us vs. them" - and even then, too many variables/definitions to bother with.

let your life be your art, all else is what it is.


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 22:09 | 2876745 New World Chaos
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On second thought, that looks like an old logo.  New logo is the circle-D.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:58 | 2875763 Karl von Bahnhof
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 21:55 | 2876736 crouton
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Nah, just sociopaths using satanism as a reason/excuse to behave how they want.

Easier to rationalise fucking a 5 year old in the ass when youre doing it for the glory of satan, than to just admit to yourself youre a broken sick fuck who likes to fuck kids.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:38 | 2875453 goodrich4bk
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Couldn't agree more with this post.  As for the ZH readers, I'll be most interested to see if they continue the fight for liberty if Mitt wins and a Republicans again control all three branches of Government. 

Will we see a withdrawal from Afghanistan?  A removal of oil subsidies?  A repeal of the Big Pharma gift under Medicare D?  A reduction of Big Ag subsidies?  Elimination of the deficit?  

As I say, I've got the popcorn ready and am excited to see how the party of individual freedom and responsibility runs things in Washington.  It's only been six years but I think I've already forgotten ... 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:41 | 2875470 MiltonFriedmans...
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I get it now, "they" is anyone other than Ron Paul.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:44 | 2875477 ATG
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:43 | 2875474 ATG
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Perhaps you also forgot GOP majority doubled the national debt and started wars in Afghanistan and Iraq?...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:49 | 2875505 Clowns on Acid
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Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:37 | 2875689 Zap Powerz
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"Couldn't agree more with this post. As for the ZH readers, I'll be most interested to see if they continue the fight for liberty if Mitt wins and a Republicans again control all three branches of Government."

Um, yeah.  The last time the GOP controlled everything they fucked things up so badly that Americans thought it was a good idea to elect the totally, wholly and completely incompetent and malicious Obama.

Dont hold your breath.

At least we do know this: No matter what happens in Nov. shit is going to hit the fan and splatter all over the place.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:38 | 2875455 ATG
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Bravo, remindful of Henry VIII in The Tudors.

Just bought QQQ calls near the lows of the day...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:39 | 2875461 AynRandFan
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Every despotic regime is motivated by a sense of morality.  Today's collectivists are no different.  The ends justify the means because the ends are moral, or so they think.  That's why it is legal to put a vote on the ballot for gay marriage every election, but illegal to vote once to define marriage as between a man and a woman, for example.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:53 | 2875519 TNTARG
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And what are the moral aspects of their ends? Can't find it.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:10 | 2876169 Karl von Bahnhof
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People often strongly underestimate the great benefit of a common enemy.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:40 | 2875464 robobbob
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I support the articles sentiments, but it leaves open the same questions as it started with.

who? behind every politico, there are lobbyists. behind every lobbyist, theres a think tank, behind every think tank, there's a foundation. behind every foundation, an impenetrable holding company. feel free to substitute in the words corporation, committee, panel, etc. In the end it is rare to find an actual individual to hold accountable.

there are so many layers to the onion, where does it all lead to? we all know something stinks. we need to start making headway on whos diapers its coming from.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:44 | 2875479 MiltonFriedmans...
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It wouldn't be that hard to vastly improve the system, *if* we could only remove the corporatists ability to buy their politicians, *if* we could enact true campaign finance reform....well, it was a nice dream while it lasted.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:49 | 2875507 TNTARG
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Yes, kind of chinese boxes but as they say, "all paths lead to Rome".

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:54 | 2875512 LMAO
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"there are so many layers to the onion, where does it all lead to........."

One thing is a given, the more layers you peel off, the closer you will get to the core of the matter, the more it will make you cry.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 00:59 | 2877039 Radical Marijuana
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For sure!

Like Oedipus, we will probably reach the point where we will say, "Oh, that tears were of blood, so that life could be cried away!"

Since I agree with most of what that article said, but think it is even way WORSE, I believe that the magnitude of the tragedy we are headed towards has nothing in human history to compare it to!  Almost all of human history has been basically "good times" being able to strip-mine a fresh planet. Neolithic civilization has enabled the total human population and level of human activity to increase, although everything we were doing was based on a social pyramid system of huge lies, backed by lots of violence, the basic reality we started from was an entire planet Earth, full of natural abundances of every kind. In that context, those who rushed for the spoils, and took the most they could, as fast as they could, by being immediately better at fraud and robbery than any of their other human competitors, have led the way to where we are now ... which is that that exponential growth of history appears to be starting to hit real limits.

The roller coaster ride we have been on, so far, were just the little bumps on the way UP ... we have no idea what it will be like when that finally starts going DOWN, when the exponential growth of organized lies, operating organized robbery, turning natural resources into garbage and pollution, as fast as possible, (BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WORKED BEST IN THE SHORT-TERM, FOR THOSE DOING THAT) finally and drastically has overshot what would have been sustainable by orders of magnitude, and therefore, the total human population size, and level of human activity, will be FORCED BY FACTORS BEYOND HUMAN CONTROL TO COLLAPSE INTO CHAOS!

The people identified in this article are the people who were best able to take advantage of the real environmental situation that EXISTED around the birth of Neolithic civilization. Paradoxically, they are driving their systems, as fast as they can, towards ecological succession, in the sense that they are destroying the conditions that they depended upon, i.e., a fresh planet Earth to rape, and the social habits and psychological attitudes that were consistent with enabling that behavior. I do not believe they will stop until they are forced to, by factors beyond human control ... and only by catalyzing those factors, when they are actually impinging, can enable other human beings to change the overall real system. I.e., the environment enabled the runaway frauds and robberies of Neolithic civilization, which will continue until the reduced environment no longer enables that.

MEANWHILE, the single simplest symbol, and the most extreme example, of what the ruling elites have done, to advance their systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, was to criminalize the cultivation of the cannabis plant. Putting hemp industries out of business, while developing a drug war that was mostly because "marijuana is almost as bad as murder" illustrates the overall social situation. WE ARE STUCK IN A VICIOUS SPIRAL OF LIES, BACKED BY VIOLENCE, THAT IS ONLY GETTING WORSE AND WORSE, AND WHICH DOES NOT CARE AT ALL ABOUT EVIDENCE OR LOGIC, BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON LIES, BACKED BY VIOLENCE, AND TELLING BIGGER LIES, AND BACKING THAT UP WITH MORE VIOLENCE IS THE ONLY THING THE ESTABLISHED SYSTEMS CARE ABOUT!

Since we are STUCK in the SAME vicious circles, the history of pot prohibition shows us what all the rest of the history of the monetary system has been doing too, which is what I have been rather uselessly repeating for decades:

The long story of the history of pot prohibition gets to be tediously repetitive, and pot politics became a tedious propaganda war, because it was the same pattern of dishonesty backed up with violence by governments, decade after decade, generation after generation, which is still continuing to get worse now ... Evidence and logical arguments have never made any significant difference to the law, while huge lies and distortions of the truth have prevailed, decade after decade. We are stuck in the rut of that history, and discussion of that history has to go around and around in that rut, decade after decade, watching as that rut gets deeper and deeper, with no apparent way out in the foreseeable future. Instead, it is still getting worse, faster than ever before! Of course, the history of the events in pot prohibition parallels the general history of other political events that were happening at the same time. Apart from faith in some series of political miracles, which have no rational basis or grounds to believe in, the real future does not appear to be finding a way out of that rut, but rather wearing the bottom of that rut out, and then dropping DOWN to something way, way WORSE!

Articles like this one about How To Identify The True Enemies Of Freedom is the same old stuff, repeated yet again, as all of that just continues to automatically get ever worse, and we are stuck repeating the same old stuff about how bad it is, while it continues to get even worse ...

Fundamentally, there are NO sane solutions! The established systems are based on lies, backed by violence. They will continue to ignore all arguments based on evidence and logic, because their systems are based on lies, backed by violence. MEANWHILE, there are NO sane ways to fight their violence, by being more violent. There are NO sane ways to respond to their dishonesty and violence by becoming even more dishonest and violent than they are, in order to defeat them! Since there are NO sane ways to "fight" people with an abundance of mass destruction weapons, defending financial and other frauds of equally astronomically amplified sizes, there ARE NO SANE SOLUTIONS AT ALL.

So what that we identify who the true enemies of freedom are? After we discover that they are dishonest and violent, and ONLY care about being more dishonest and more violent, in order to operate even bigger frauds, and robberies, and engage in even more mass murders, that returns us right back to the vicious spiral that we already discovered we were inside, and there STILL are no practical solutions, since there STILL ARE NO SANE WAYS TO "FIGHT" THEM AND "WIN," since the ONLY thing that they care about is being able to be violent, and defeating them by being more violent than they already are would only end up making things STILL WORSE!

Therefore, the real situation is dismal cubed! We are headed for unprecedented tragedy, and we will end up wishing, like Oedipus did, that "tears were of blood, so that we could cry life away," because the foreseeable future is a runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut, that will make road kill out of everything we care about, including, eventually, itself too, BUT, there are no practical ways to stop that juggernaut, since the only thing it cares about is being even more violent, so that it can continue steamrolling over everything!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 01:18 | 2877058 Cathartes Aura
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ahh, the story of the plant, it's a great one to jump-start some folks into thinking about how government frames their reality.

first it was a plant, a very useful, well cultivated plant.

then it was competition, which means war!  so it gets declared illegal, with the reason varying over time - but the idea is it was FINE, then it was FINED, the plant never changed, just the laws. 

then it gets half-assed made "legal" if one jumps through some lawyer & doctor hoops - all for a FEE, of course.  and then you get a CARD that says you can grow/use - the CARDS are issued yearly, for a FEE of course.  and the States can "legalise" the sale, but the Feds can still come in and bust the place, confiscate the plant, and the fiat exchanged for it.

so, the plant is a Schedule I controlled substance.  bad for you!  then it's licensed for use.  not so bad for you?  maybe even. . . somewhat good??

the marijuana story - and this is a very basic version, I absolutely acknowledge, intentionally so - is important to understand how the "government" controls everything it feels it can make a buck from - including criminalising a plant to feed the privatised for profit prison complex, the DEA, the Robo-Cop policing Force with confiscation laws to beef up their cop toy collections, etc. etc.

either it's an evil drug.   or it's a plant.  perspective, definitions, naming, framing, profit.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:48 | 2875720 Winston Churchill
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If you look at the structures of TBTF banks you will notice the similarities to the

way power is being managed in the current system.Shell company after shell company,

creating bankruptcy remoteness,in this case plausible deniability,to hide the true owners.

Just like all the cross shareholding extending across large public companies getting effective

control with a minority stake.The model was formulated by the BoE,and we all know which family

controls that.We know but cannot prove,because of cutouts in non disclosure 'havens'.

They own a lot already,but they want it all.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:45 | 2875481 TNTARG
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Beautiful. I like it.


"In the coming years, the American people will face numerous threats; some real, some imagined in the sterile conference rooms of a black-hearted think tanks.  But, the most terrifying threat to our cultural roots of free thought, expression, and prosperity is wielded by a very particular and exclusive group of thin-blooded ego-maniacs."

This is being happened, it's going on right now and not only in the US because globalists are not only US citizens but europeans too, even first and at the origin. And do not forget zionists, of course.

They're all enemies of Mankind and we should all understand it: the kind of fight we'll have to face is in fact global.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:46 | 2875483 Northeaster
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O.K., so the enemy has been identified numerous times here on ZH, so now what?

Citizens in their bunker homes with Mountain House, Guns, and would-be PM's aren't doing anything (government prefer you stay there anyways, so you're all set). Obese Americans sure as shit won't be doing anything. Americans being paid to stay home sure as hell won't bite the hand that feeds them. Middle-class Americans with kids and jobs have their own issues. So what's left?

Maybe go back to the "old" days and leave guest postings to something pertinent in our economy (especially data). The "SHTF" postings have gotten really old, and until these posters start putting their money where their mouth is, they may be good reading for some, but nothing else. The days of old here on ZH were filled with excellent detailed commentators. Now? Not so much..."Bitchez"

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:00 | 2875543 Cathartes Aura
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you'll get the ZH contributing writers thread monitors club onto you.

see something, don't say anything.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:36 | 2875883 MsCreant
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What should they be doing or posting? All well and good to be snarky (I don't love everything posted, and I too love to joke around) but what do you suggest needs to be different? 

There are a variety of things posted here. I don't expect to like them all. Something that gets through to me may not get through to someone else. The reverse is true as well. I can't stand Simon Black for instance. I wish Reggie would get a proof reader. But for some, doing the ex-pat thought experiment is epiphanic. And Reggie may not get the writing right, but he gets "it" right, anyway. 

I stay loose and easy with it and hang around for the lulz. They are working their asses off in conditions I don't know much about.


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 19:12 | 2876419 Cathartes Aura
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are differing opinions verboten?  is it okay to have one that goes against the grain, but isn't just trolling for attention? 

or do we all have to be on a particular same side?  no sarcasm allowed, just happy lulz.

you've addressed me twice on this topic, and again I can say, I'm not "angry" and I'm not telling anyone how to behave, or act, or post.

you can have your lulz, alrighty?  you always do.  I was merely remarking on how two long-time folks were acting in an apparent defensive thread monitor role today.  nothing more.  my opinion.  nothing more.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 19:51 | 2876495 MsCreant
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I must have missed the other posters and misunderstood. The post where I asked you about the anger thing, you were commenting that the quality of the posts had gone down and were cut and paste from MSM. This looked to me like this was a continuation of that line of thought. If I got that wrong, I owe you an apology.

I am not sarcastic with my friends (though I will tease em). If I am unhappy with something, I spell it out and I am direct.  I know you are direct too.

I am genuine when I ask you what you think ZH/Tyler Durden(s) needs to do or not do that is different from how they are doing it now. People are saying it is sliding (not just you). So how? And how could it be fixed? 

I get doom fatigue, for instance. But the doom posts are happening more and more because the world is becoming saturated with the realization that we are all being had. The MSMish posts are validation that word is getting out, as well as something that someone may benefit from reading.

I complain about the analysis articles sometimes because they strike me as an effort to sort out what we know to be lies in the first place. Seek made a good point, that the pace of the lies can be worth tracking and actionable information. 

I think (the) Tyler(s) work(s) hard. It may be under adverse conditions. They do it day in and day out without taking very many breaks that I can perceive. They are clearly dedicated and show whether I show up or not. I respect that. I cut that some slack. I cannot do what they do. It is not in me. So like the "thread monitors" you mentioned, I too feel protective and a little defensive on behalf of our hosts. If something could be better, letting them know could be a help. 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 22:32 | 2876821 Cathartes Aura
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Zero Hedge is working as intended, else it would be changed to produce a different result - like it did when the math captcha was dropped, and the "social grouping" stuff was added. . .

when such fluff as CBSNews stories are put up for playtime, or regular pictures of peoples to be mocked for their appearance as archetypal fodder, that's common elsewhere, so why not "here"?  or, why here??

you feel protective of the space irrespective of whatever turns up here, I don't.  you give them all kinds of leeway & reasons, fair enough.  it's a playground for all kinds of posters, and occasionally some of them have original thoughts that they share.  used to be more often, but all things change.  mostly it IS the lulz and the repeaters that seem to be attractive, the kind of one-liner tweet-type shallow thoughts that are becoming ubiquitous.

I wrote it elsewhere, but this place used to be full of smart posts/posters, and it was a challenge to find the time to read each thread for the often brilliant repartee. 

one thing though, with regards Gully - he's pissy, and often posts provocative shit, but also writes and shares things of interest from left field. . . he said once that he's suffering ill health, I cut him some slack, pain is a fucker few bear gracefully. I'd rather read Gully acting out than yet another drunk dude talking his cock, or repeating memorised "history" that never existed, or voter nonsense.

everyone has their preferences though. . .


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 08:58 | 2877486 MsCreant
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You make good points, thank you for answering me. Did not know about Gully. I have not been as regular here as I used to be (no time, just working and prepping).

"People being mocked for their appearance" you have the high ground on that one. I should not defend it, but I will. Some of these scoundrels should be hurt any way that we can get them. If some billionaire female who thinks Africans working for dirt pay should be an inspiration for workers everywhere gets mocked for her weight, I really don't have time to defend her. Americans getting heavy everywhere is just sad. It is an indictment on our culture that it is happening. We are a pit of emptiness we are trying to stuff with high fructose corn syrup. Exporting this culture in the name of profit is tragic. It should be mocked.

You have a right to be disappointed in the direction this blog has taken. You have a right to your opinion. I can see it is carefully considered. 

You are bright and have a strong writing persona. You could write and submit things too. I did so one time and they accepted it. It was a lot of fun. 


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 15:53 | 2878688 Cathartes Aura
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what I write I post elsewhere, putting it up here would be an exercise in futility, given the "average" reader/poster demographic.  I'd rather just stick to the threaded comments, provoking thought where it's ripe to happen, and realising most people are not interested beyond what they already believe they know, and most are here for the lulz of social networking that's become yet another form of entertainment time sink.  hence the popularity of using pictures that get the threads jump started.  and the braggin' about getting drunk to post, backslapping when another agrees, ganging up on those who don't, etc.

I'm nowhere near as "regular" as I have been in the past, having taken a couple of busy summer months away from all computer activity to enjoy working outdoors. . . as they say in any relationship, "maybe it's me" - ha - and yes, it IS me, I've changed some more, and my tolerance ebbs and flows.

with regards your comments on why people are getting fatter, a great perspective was posted by ZH'r "grizzle" -



Vote up!

Vote down!


The reasons for obesity in the US are mostly chemical. Iodine is part of a group of chemical elements called "halogens". The rest of these are chlorine, fluorine and bromine. Another is astatine, but this is a short-lived radioactive isotope, and is not relevent. We are not made to ingest much chlorine, fluorine, or bromine, as our natural environment does not contain much of any of them. But of course, our tap water has much chlorine in it, and fluoride (a salt of fluorine). Bromate (a salt of bromine) is used as a preservative in processed foods. All processed foods are made with chlorinated and fluoridate water, and I have heard they are going to eliminate iodized salt, the only source of iodine for many people. As these elements are lighter than iodine, they displace iodine from the body. Which interferes with thyroid function. Iodine is also a co-factor for various proteins in the body which regulate metabolism, and when we ingest the other halogens, they take the place of iodine as co-factors. Which causes the proteins to malfunction in their role as regulators of metabolism. We absorb much chlorine and fluoride from showering or bathing also.

In addition, there are endocrine disruptor chemicals such as tert-butyl phenol and bisphenol-A which cause obesity, among other problems. These are platic compounds used in most food container linings and many fluid containers for things people consume internally. These are a prime cause of diabetes.


Then  there are Aspartame, MSG and glutamate, all pof which cause a variety of disease, but especially metabolism disorders. They overstimulate the nervouse system, which is a problem. They also make processed food taste much better than it would otherwise, which keeps people coming back for more. Thus people aalso ingest more chlorine and fluoride.  These chemicals also damage the mind, making people the couch potato idiots we know so well today.

I remember your post when the Bisphenol-A toxicity was being discussed, relative to cans of food for storage.  these things all add up, sadly.

best wishes.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:04 | 2875558 BlueCollaredOne
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You are not forced to read this article, you vote with your click.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:54 | 2875746 Ignatius
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Or he votes with his dick... and we'll leave it right there.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:28 | 2875652 jayman21
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"O.K., so the enemy has been identified numerous times here on ZH, so now what?"


No one knows, but you can make a few assumptions:

What works for you does not always work for someone else.  We are complex systems.  This is also true of medicine and many other things.  If you sense it, shun it.  The joy of control is what this person wants that Brandon describes.  Work on your freedom each day.  No one makes you sad, happy, mad.  You decide it when you are free, other people decide when you are a slave.  Figure out what has made you a slave and work on paying off the credit cards, or stacking more silver, or what ever is pissing you off.  Realize you decide and make adjustments to live the slave free life.


It is a unique for each person.  Good luck and enjoy the ride.  Keep an eye out for CD (Cognitive Dissonance).  He is always helpful with his comments on this subject too.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:38 | 2875690 El
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To point out the obvious, why not just change the channel? You must have mistaken ZH for a democracy.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:21 | 2875835 Northeaster
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"To point out the obvious, why not just change the channel?"

ZH still posts some good information, however, if you were here when ZH first started, both the talent and the commentators were excellent, you could almost not differentiate the two. Unfortunately the majority of posters past, especially those who worked in the business they wrote about are gone.

"You must have mistaken ZH for a democracy."

I actually read the disclaimer, did you?

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:38 | 2875894 Zap Powerz
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Dont be such a grumpy pants.

There are still a lot of excellent detailed commentators here.  But this site has become more popular with the freedom movement crowd and not all of them are professional economists.  They contribute what they know.  It all mixes together to make a nice, multifaceted, colorful experience.

Be glad ZH is more read and more visited.  Thats a GOOD thing my friend.  Sure, you have to put up with some inane comments, but thats a small price to pay (in my opinion) for increased exposure of ZH.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:46 | 2875486 PLove
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Merkel will be holding their hand

even after the knife falls.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:52 | 2875516 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Bravo T. D.!  A terrific article!  I don't think the demon elites will be able to dig holes deep enough to hide from us.  The deeper they dig the closer they will be to their eternal resting place, physically and spiritually!


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:48 | 2875502 Inthemix96
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The true enemies of freedom are easy to see when your eyes are opened.

I refer to them as "jack russels".  I own a few.  Let me explain, they are tiny little people in a really big mans suit.  They think they are bigger than what they are and can take on the world.  They know no fear and dont mind getting stuck in as long as the owner (me) is right beside them.  The problem is, when a bigger dog goes for them, they come and hide behind the owner (me) while all the while making their big gobs go that much harder.

Now that little paragraph above is net the yahoo.  Never give it much thought till I read this article.

The only difference is, my little "jack russel", means no harm.  He is a dog, he just does what dogs do, but he has unconditional love for me and my family.  Fucking hell, he likes anyone with two legs. 

Dont know what the point is here.  But my little dog really does remind me of nettheyahoo???

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:51 | 2875513 q99x2
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Sociopaths and psychopaths operate on their own personal form of twisted rationalism.

I'd say that it is a collective sort of twisted rationalism with Hillary leading the lemmings of like mind ahead into the abyss. If they ever get to their utopian global village I believe it will be blacked and charred with chimmneys half standing and smoke pouring out from the grounds into the final sunset of their human experiment. In other words at this time the world is beginning to glow with the mass hysteria seen at the beginnings of world wars. This is something that cannot be stopped. Evolution cannot continue beyond central planning without the destruction equal to just what that central planning has prevented:

In this case civilization founded in the conscious morality of the individual.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:58 | 2875765 MiltonFriedmans...
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In other words, 4th turning time, bitchez.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:51 | 2875514 Shameful
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Ah but there is the rub, we can see the hands implementing the actions, and even the set of hands behind them, but what of possible hands behind them?

Perhaps that in of itself is not as important, simply being aware of the methodology would be a massive victory.  However the problem is the mass man has been studied and the reason these same tricks are used over and over again is because they work.  While I will not claim that all of mankind is nothing more than animals, humanity when looked at in the aggregate does tend to respond the same when the same tactics are used. Pavlov and his dogs, the main players and the mass man.  While a noble idea that all of mankind could be awakened to the reality they face, this does not seem possible much less likely.  History tells us only a small portion of the population is capable of realizing a con is being run, much less looking at the players behind the scene.

It's my personal contention is the main threat to the establishment is the establishment.  The theft will reach a point where there is no longer enough to sustain all the parasites at the level they are accustomed.  When that day inevitably comes they will turn on each other with the same savagery, violence, and disdain they show the bulk of humanity.  Then the trick is not to get caught up in the firestorm.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:56 | 2875531 aerojet
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" the common man has all the information necessary to examine and define the real culprits behind his subjugation"

I can stop right there.  The "common man" has no ability to make sense of all the information provided.  It's all right in their common faces and they don't get it and never will. 

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:30 | 2875665 Uncle Remus
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 13:59 | 2875540 Yen Cross
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CNBS qualifies for sure! Those ass munchers are unbelieveable. I tune in to see what they think about the dow down 130 points, and they are talking "MICRO" shit about some stupid shitbag apartment complex.

 Denial is a river that runs straight through CNBS headquarters in N.Y.C. I knew I should have left the volume muted. The only thing worth a shit on that channel is the captions/quotes.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:05 | 2875561 blu
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This is a very strange post.

Actually, none of those examples given will help anyone recognize the enemy. Assuming there is an enemy that is not ourselves.

The way you recognize an enemy is to first know what it is you personally stand for, what you will fight and die to preserve, and what you see as a future for your community.

With your own values clarified you find out if anyone is with you in this. If so, then you share something that everyone can get behind. And whoever does not share that vision is either willing to stay out of your way (which is the polite thing to do, all other things equal) or they intend to oppose you.

And finally, at the end of a lot of values clarification and community discussions, you know who the enemy is.

There are no "absolute enemies" unless you live in a hive. Outside a hive, we are expected to think for ourselves.

With that cleared up everyone should understand that the greatest threat to humankind is actually corporations. They are increasingly run by machines -- or by humans actiing like machines -- and they don't need us and will find ways to turn us and our children into "products" that can be sold to other corporations -- or to humans acting like corporations -- if we're not very very careful.

No I'm not being funny. This time.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:45 | 2875914 Dr. Sandi
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The one thing that most people are willing to stand for is more of the same.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 16:13 | 2876000 blu
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Then change is the enemy? Well good luck with that because change is the only constant.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 21:25 | 2876677 Cathartes Aura
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I took Dr. Sandi's remark to imply apathy is the constant that most people prefer to maintain. . .

it's evident in all the anti-pharma so prevalent - anti-anxiety, anti-depressants, anti-thinking.

perhaps that keeps the re-cognition of constant change at bay, until it doesn't of course.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:11 | 2875583 Pretorian
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This summit post JFK era. 


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:18 | 2875605 “Rebellion to t...
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There is a quote out there... fairly relevant:  "I have met the enemy, and he is us."


We keep looking for bogymen.  The problem is most of the people of this nation are truly so fucking stupid, they have virtually no idea how do do anything, or get anything done except order from a McDonalds menu.  

Quit blaming retards like Bush and Obama. Look in the mirror, then get on the phone and call your parents and tell them what complete assholes they were for bringing you into this world.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:47 | 2875918 Dr. Sandi
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The phone call didn't work. My parents said it's my fault and stop bugging them about it, they were both drunk at the time.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 02:34 | 2877100 TNTARG
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You did that?"call your parents and tell them what complete assholes they were for bringing you into this world."

"Most of the people of this nation are truly so fucking stupid..."

Do you really believe they were born that way? Don't you think someone, something (miss)educated them to this point? And what was it? Who were they (who are they?) Why? These simple questions lead you to a better and less bitter understanding...

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:22 | 2875637 disabledvet
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"The fault dear Brutus is not in the stars...but in our selves." The Founders believed in SELF Governance first and foremost....and Lincoln put the exclamation point on it. Looking for enemies was NOT what the Founders did....they went looking for friends. And therein lies the answer. So simple...yet so hard to attain.

Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:23 | 2875643 proLiberty
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11)  They think that if humanity could just improve its lot sufficiently, that knowledge would allow society to achieve a 'higher level of consciousness'.   A few even mention collective salvation [1], and those who seek individual salvation are damned because some might not qualify.   


But none of this is new.  The ancients called it Gnosticism.  Hegel secularized it and Marx made it scientific.  [2]



[2]  see section Marx as Utopian starting on page 364 in the PDF of Volume 2

of; Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought Murray N. Rothbard


Wed, 10/10/2012 - 14:23 | 2875644 Fix It Again Timmy
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The subterfuge starts in the 1st grade with the plegde of allegiance, 4th of july parades, etc. and only gets worst.  They know what buttons to push...

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