Apple Slide Halts Yet Another Rumor-Driven Risk Rally

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Yesterday even as the broader market slid materially, much to the dismay of permabulls everywhere, taking out post QE3 lows, one stock that obstinately refused to join the trend was Apple, which as we have noted before is the vanguard of the index known as NASDAAPL, and whichever way the NASDAAPL goes, so go America's hedge funds, all of which have decided to piggyback on the stock in hope of catching up to the market performance and avoid being redeemed to death. Today, we get a mirror image of yesterday, when after opening at its highs, AAPL has since tumbled 2.5% from its highs, following news that an Apples court has allowed sales of Samsung Galaxy to continue. Finally, the broader market, which ramped early on hope that the intolerable Basel III requirements would be delayed by 1 year (they will be eventually as they demand that banks sell trillions in assets: something they can't do), is about to slide not only with AAPL as the catalyst but following news from Dow Jones that the "EU Trialogue Didn't Discuss Basel III Delay Thursday." In other words, we ramped on a completely bogus rumor originating in Europe once again. What else is new?

AAPL loses $10 billion in market cap in a few hours:

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Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:08 | 2877773 slaughterer
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Double bottom?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:09 | 2877935 malikai
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Pulled the S&P down with it. No worries here, saw it coming a mile away.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:29 | 2878017 El Viejo
Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:41 | 2878096 Richard Chesler
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STFP is the new BTFD.

Sell The Fucking Pop.


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 18:10 | 2879026 Grill Boss
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Can you see the lawsuits from this coming?  Insurers can... thats why NONE of them will cover these guys for this stuff, perhaps why Jobs denied the 'radiation App' and of course most likely why he is no longer here...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:12 | 2877775 q99x2
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APPL has 30 years of successful

How do you feel about Apple? Apple Suck

Because that's what they do best.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:20 | 2877782 CPL
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Ther entire core router infrastructure is going bonkers.


This is something other than a DDoS attack.  Google and Facebook are going up and down like a yo-yo.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:28 | 2877802 HD
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That is interesting mate. Any idea as to what would cause that?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:33 | 2877817 Bay of Pigs
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Ive been trying to get on ZH for the last 3 hours. Just got in right now.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:44 | 2877852 Spastica Rex
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Hello, sir, this is Tina. Have you been restart your router?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:15 | 2877950 old naughty
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I thought that was new new-normal as AlertUSA reported USG issued warning on Chinese routers?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:30 | 2878016 CPL
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Forgot about that...HueWei routers are just reversed engineered Cisco gear though.  The company is so lazy it doesn't even bother to change the chassis design and slaps it's brand (practically) overtop where the Cisco sticker goes.


If they decided to shoot down the Chinese gear they would only cut their own throats if trying to spam using BGP.  it doesn't make any sense.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:58 | 2877899 Kayman
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Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:42 | 2877843 LawsofPhysics
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Skynet becoming self-aware or the NWO making sure that the internet can come down on their command?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:44 | 2877853 Bay of Pigs
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Problems happening all over the place yet not a word anywhere in the MSM on it.


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:24 | 2877996 CPL
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I dont think it's TPTB, or the message boards wouldn't be full of Lan Admin screaming that their backups are mangled and their thin clients are dead, this is from all sectors.  From guys I know at DoD, DnD to HP/IBM/BigBox.  Everyone is on alert mode now.


This is going to take weeks to fix and figure out...too few hands and not enough time, Technicians motto.  The attempts can be made to knock it down but thank christ there are Network Engineers that are so paranoid they would question their own mothers.  So they lock it all down even if it's wanted and use their favorite phrase "Do you have a requirement?".  Configuration management on a network is brutal, it has to be perfect, not sort of right or kind of right.  It has to be OCD perfect.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:57 | 2878162 CPL
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And it looks like a bunch of techs are quitting the industry because they've had enough of the bullshit over the last year and not being part of the RFC process.

Just peachy.   Like it wasn't hard enough finding resources that know how to do the job.


Can't say i don't agree with them though.  Any time this crap happens Engineering and IT turns into the office asshole because it wasn't fixed yesterday.


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:51 | 2877878 CPL
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Dunno, I would have to put on my tin foil hat.  My theory is something is out of it's cage.  There are times lurking around deep web I swear something is looking back and it's not human.   Last night it was the South America and Asia.  

This morning It's North America and Asia.  Either someone is moving a massive amount of information and vSphere farms (only thing big enough now)...or we've got another Sasser worm that is smarter than it's ancient variation that is "mapping" the internet and collecting.  Ontario router cored are a complete mess right now doing a sniff around, it's like OSPF was turned off, they've forgetten how to route.


On the client side you can have the stack detect a black hole and reroute around it, but then you leave yourself open to being part of the layer 3 infrastructure because you are acting as the gateway, both in and out.  I have a Windows 98 VM running right now to check things out because it's stack is as primative as I can make it.  It's a complete mess.  I'm using Manitoba right now to route to anywhere with manual route add's.  Slow as maple syrup in jan though.


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:59 | 2877893 Bay of Pigs
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This site came to a complete standstill. Nothing...

Ive talked to others all over the world. They had no access to ZH either. Why no story or an explanation as to what is going on?


EDIT: Chat is disabled too

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:07 | 2877923 CPL
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It might be an FB worm.  Those have been getting more and more vicious over the years and the phishers only have to have a "cat love" page to get people to install their crummy app and the session happens from that point.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:03 | 2877911 CPL
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Maybe the Skype worm running around with a Morris variation and it's swamping the routers?


We know facebook chat is broken.

We know the routers across the planet except the southern hemisphere are effected. (checked speed are excellent)

We know that google is flaky.

And California is running at half speed right now.

Don't know enough about skype and if it uses Akamai or Google caching services because sometimes things hide in those appliances.


Somewhere on the global layer 2 and 3 lies the answer...


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:20 | 2877975 dbTX
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Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:44 | 2877849 dynomutt
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Just because those core routers are not pingable doesn't mean that they're not active or overwhelmed and not passing data.  Perhaps their owners have disabled ICMP for some reason or another.  Also, the packet loss state for North America has not changed appreciably in the last 24h according to the graph.  Asia did have a slight spike in packet loss in the last couple of hours, though.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:53 | 2877886 CPL
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They don't use ping.  They use SNMP to pull the OID to determine live with a MiB.  Never use ping to determine live.  Ever.  And by that I mean EVER.


These are core switches, not dlink walmart routers or Toy Nortel connectivity gear.  Those are the internet.  They don't exist, the path doesn't exist.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:20 | 2877783 AlphaHunter001
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at this point, it would need to get above $680 otherwise a pullback to $575 is most likely

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:20 | 2877784 Lost Wages
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Time for everyone to leap off the Apple lily pad. Will Middleton finally have his day in the sun?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:28 | 2877798 mtomato2
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Apples court



Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:28 | 2877800 Cdad
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What is just as interesting as the deterioration of Apple shares is the hard selling of DOW issues.  These two things combined are giving you a clear look at a deteriorating market...NanoSecond Money opinions on The BlowHorn [CNBC] aside.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:44 | 2877850 DeadFred
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Infighting among TPTB? The markets are highly vulnerable in the next couple days and we have an election that will likely hinge on where the S&P is in early November. Closing negative today takes the S&P below trend support and the Great Wall of Draghi would take every major index below the 50s. If I were an evil manipulator trying to rig an election (or just pissed off by the BLS rigging for the other side) I would put a lot of pressure on the key positions. It sure seems like that has been happening this week. Every unicorn fantasy meme is being rapidly faded.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:31 | 2877806 slaughterer
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Bulls need help: Potter or Roomer?  That is the question.  

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:31 | 2877807 PUD
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Oh, whew! I thought we were up on the stunningly good jobs # sans one un-named large state reporting.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:32 | 2877810 slaughterer
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It is as if every market participant just assumes all gov reports are lies.  Good news = meh

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:32 | 2877813 azzhatter
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Cramer is upping both his coke intake and his buy buy buy meme

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:35 | 2877822 SheepDog-One
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I like Apple products, but it is lame they try to block others products.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:46 | 2877862 Spastica Rex
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That's one of the key "choice" components of contemporary "capitalism."

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:41 | 2877839 fonzannoon
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Simpson/Bowles discussing the impact of the "announcement effect" of an announcement of an agreement on the stupid cliff, even if it is not really reached in principle or ever enacted.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:42 | 2877840 GrinandBearit
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At this point AAPL IS the stock market.

When it drops, so will the entire market.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:48 | 2877868 fonzannoon
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That was what I figured as well. It sure as hell seems like apple has a lot less impact on the S&P on the way down then it does on the way up.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:41 | 2877841 Meesohaawnee
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clearing the helicopters before the napalm strike?? an I warning ahead?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:42 | 2877842 slaughterer
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AAPL could keep on going down for another two weeks before their earnings.  

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:45 | 2877857 Meesohaawnee
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like a 2 dollar hooker

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:04 | 2877912 Kayman
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So you've been to Cicero ?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:48 | 2877865 Meesohaawnee
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napalm strike apocalyps ...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 12:49 | 2877871 Catullus
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Mutual funds rotating out? Nah. They don't give a fuvk with other people's money

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:24 | 2877994 mrdenis
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perhaps Hong Kong Apple store is right .....

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:25 | 2878001 adr
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It's OK nat gas is still up $.25 this week on the increase or stored natural gas to 7% above the five year average, instead of 7.5%.

There is that wonderful Wall Street math again.

Wall Street, where less of an increase can mean a decrease.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 13:38 | 2878081 disabledvet
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AOL is up over 125% in a year. How come you're not bitching about them too? Anywho...they're called "portfolio managers" now not "permabulls." They have so much money "they're just living on the dividends now"...even if the Fed tried...and kill that return as well.

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