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Debate Post-Mortem: Wreckin' Raddatz, Laughin' Angry-Boy Biden, And Car-Crash Ryan

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And so another disingenuous display of avoiding saying anything definitive about anything specific is complete. Without doubt the winner of this evening's 'round-table' is Martha Raddatz. Despite the incessant interruption and grinning/laughing/anger/frustration of Biden (and Ryan bringing up a 'car-crash' - awkward), the two candidates had relatively equal talking time (via CNN Biden Won 41:32 vs Ryan 40:12) but Ryan pipped Biden by 7,434 words to 7,425! Picking a winner is tough - so we won't - but Obama's odds rose from a pre-debate dump to 61% to over 64% (this morning's levels) - but stopped rising once the candidates began to discuss Afghanistan and Syria and when Ryan 'summed-up', Obama's odds crashed back to unchanged at 61.2%. Ryan won the drinking game 32 to 26.

 

Biden - 3x Malarkey

Ryan - 1x Car-Crash

 

The Obama Odds Rollercoaster:

 

The Final Score in The Drinking Debate (via @DebateDrinking):

 

 

 

The full headline stream from Bloomberg

BIDEN

*JOE BIDEN SAYS LIBYA ATTACK WAS 'TRAGEDY'
*JOE BIDEN SAYS ANY MISTAKES IN LIBYA WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN
*BIDEN SAYS OBAMA 'HAS LED WITH A STEADY HAND AND CLEAR VISION'
*BIDEN SAYS 'WE WEREN'T TOLD' LIBYA EMBASSY NEEDED MORE SECURITY
*BIDEN: 'WE FEEL QUITE CONFIDENT' IN ABILITY TO STRIKE IRAN
*BIDEN: 'WE WILL NOT LET THEM ACQUIRE A NUCLEAR WEAPON'
*BIDEN: 'THEY DON'T HAVE A WEAPON' IN IRAN
*BIDEN: WAR MUST ALWAYS BE 'LAST RESORT'
*BIDEN SAYS 'THIS PRESIDENT DOESN'T BLUFF'
*BIDEN: 'WE CAN AND WE WILL' GET UNEMPLOYMENT UNDER 6%
*BIDEN SAYS TIMELINE FOR DROP IN UNEMPLOYMENT UNCERTAIN
*BIDEN SAYS ROMNEY, RYAN SHOULD SIGN PLEDGE TO MIDDLE CLASS
*BIDEN SAYS GOP NEEDS TO 'GET OUT OF THE WAY'
*BIDEN SAYS GOP HOLDING UP GOOD POLICIES TO HELP MIDDLE CLASS
*BIDEN: 'FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS' ON ROMNEY, RYAN MEDICARE PLAN
*BIDEN: 'WE WILL BE NO PART OF A VOUCHER PROGRAM' ON MEDICARE
*BIDEN: 'NO JUSTIFICATION' NOW FOR TAX CUTS FOR WEALTHY
*BIDEN: ROMNEY WILL CUT MIDDLE CLASS TAX BREAKS
*BIDEN: AFGHANS RESPONSIBLE FOR OWN SECURITY
*BIDEN: 'WE ARE LEAVING IN 2014, PERIOD'
*BIDEN: ALLIES AGREE W/ U.S. TIMELINE IN AFGHANISTAN
*BIDEN: TIMELINE IS NECESSARY TO MAKE AFGHANISTAN 'STEP UP'
*BIDEN: OBAMA ENSURING ASSAD REGIME FOLLOWED BY LEGITIMATE GOVT
*BIDEN: OBAMA DOING EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED IN SYRIA
*BIDEN: CATHOLICISM 'PARTICULARLY' INFORMS SOCIAL DOCTRINE
*BIDEN SAYS ACCEPTS, WON'T IMPOSE CATHOLIC CHURCH ABORTION VIEW

*BIDEN: 'WE INHERITED A GOD AWFUL CIRCUMSTANCE'

*BIDEN: PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR 'EVEN SHOT,' PEACE OF MIND

 

RYAN

*RYAN SAYS OBAMA WAITED TO CALL LIBYA ATTACK TERRORISM
*RYAN SAYS OBAMA IS 'PROJECTING WEAKNESS ABROAD'
*RYAN SAYS DEFENSE CUTS PROJECT WEAKNESS
*RYAN SAYS 'WE SHOULD ALWAYS STAND UP FOR PEACE' AND DEMOCRACY
*RYAN SAYS IRAN 'RACING TOWARD' NUCLEAR WEAPON
*RYAN SAYS ADMINISTRATION WAS AGAINST TOUGH IRAN SANCTIONS
*RYAN: ADMINISTRATION OPPOSED IRAN SANCTIONS, ISSUED WAIVERS
*RYAN SAYS ADMINISTRATION'S ACTIVITY ABROAD ENCOURAGES IRAN
*RYAN SAYS ADMINISTRATION INHERITED 'TOUGH SITUATION'
*RYAN SAYS ECONOMY 'HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION'
*RYAN SAYS 'MITT ROMNEY IS A GOOD MAN,' CARES ABOUT 100% OF U.S.
*RYAN SAYS DEMOCRATS HAD MAJORITY, FAILED TO HELP ECONOMY
*RYAN SAYS OBAMA SEND TAX DOLLARS TO 'WINDMILLS IN CHINA'
*RYAN: ENTITLEMENTS HEADING TOWARD BANKRUPTCY 'INDISPUTABLE'
*RYAN: OBAMA GOT CAUGHT W/ HAND IN 'PIGGY BANK' ON MEDICARE
*RYAN: 'IF WE DON'T FIX THIS PROBLEM,' SENIORS WILL GET CUT
*RYAN: 'WE ARE NOT GOING TO JEOPARDIZE' MEDICARE
*RYAN: ROMNEY'S 'ENTIRE PLAN' ON TAXES BASED ON HELPING ECONOMY
*RYAN: 'WATCH OUT MIDDLE CLASS' OBAMA WILL TAX YOU
*RYAN: UNLIKE OBAMA, WE 'WANT TO HAVE BIG BIPARTISAN AGREEMENTS'
*RYAN: ROMNEY HAS RECORD OF WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE
*RYAN: GAINS IN AFGHANISTAN SHOULDN'T BE LOST
*RYAN: U.S. SHOULDN'T BROADCAST AFGHANISTAN TIMELINE
*RYAN: TIMELINE GIVES ALLIES REASON TO TRUST US LESS
*RYAN: 'RUSSIA RESET'S NOT WORKING,' PROVEN BY SYRIA DISPUTES
*RYAN SAYS NO ONE PROPOSING U.S TROOPS IN SYRIA
*RYAN: U.S. SHOULDN'T BE 'OUTSOURCING' FOREIGN POLICY TO RUSSIA
*RYAN: FAITH, REASON AND SCIENCE BEHIND PRO-LIFE BELIEFS

*RYAN: OBAMA 'HAD HIS CHANCE' AND 'IT'S NOT WORKING'

*RYAN: HE, ROMNEY OFFERING REAL REFORMS, WANT TO EARN SUPPORT

 

An incredibly close race in the number of words uttered:

Biden 7,425 words

 

Ryan 7,434 words

 

So - overall Time Talking goes to Biden, Words Spoken goes to Ryan, and critical tie-breaker - drinking-game goes to Ryan; and so with no need to go to the official arbitrator (InTrade - which was unchanged after the late debate crash) - we call the debate for Paul Ryan by a score of 2-1!

 

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Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:46 | 2879698 FleaMarketPete
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Fuck you hair plugs!!!!!!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:50 | 2879716 Unprepared
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How about Biden's "Syria is 5 times larger than Lybia" ? (unless I mishead that)

 

And how about all the irony in both fools reply to the last question from the supposed decorated soldier?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:00 | 2879755 flacon
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Ryan looked straight into the camera for his closing remarks. Biden avoided eye contact at all costs. Back in the day I would have said that Ryan won - but I know it's all just a Hagelian dialectic. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:01 | 2879760 ACP
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Is that a sandwich?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:11 | 2879795 Unprepared
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It's a tribal language. Fool.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:16 | 2879809 a growing concern
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Lighten up, Francis.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:21 | 2879818 Precious
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Biden gets the most points for being a dick.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:36 | 2879864 Precious
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Joe Biden Style (link)

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:48 | 2879890 krispkritter
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Very appropriate considering his foot's in his mouth most of the time...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:09 | 2879935 fourchan
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9 mock debates with joe and this was the best he could do?

 

i just picture ron paul, a true republican ripping socialist joe a new

one and dismissing half of his blather as nonsence..to his face.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:21 | 2879950 Precious
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Biden was laughing so hard he wet his diapers.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:03 | 2879927 vast-dom
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BE A TRUE PATRIOT THIS YEAR AND DO NOT VOTE!

 

LIARS AND SOCIOPATHS THAT CANNOT MIND THEIR BUSINESS. BIG GOV BIG SPYING ON POPULACE AND THREAT OF REVERSING ROE V. WADE. WE ARE FUCKED EITHER WAY!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 06:21 | 2880569 sunnydays
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I completely agree.  People need to REVOLT by not voting!  Both are liars and both will do the bidding of their masters.  the people are going to be screwed over no matter who gets in.   By NOT voting, you are going against them.  You will not be sanctioning what they do against you.

 

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:32 | 2879964 WillyGroper
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Car wreck?  Cheap kick in the nads. Pugsley Addams appeared the bigger dick to me. Metaphorically speaking. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:20 | 2879821 ACP
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My apologies, I did not realize this was a "serious room."

I shall try my best, in earnest, to reply with uttermost learn-ed competency, in my next reply.

If you would excuse me, I have an alcoholic beverage awaiting consumption.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:24 | 2879830 mick68
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I don't respect rude, arrogant debaters who continually interrupt like Biden did.

Ryan showed class and patience in the face of Biden's classless act tonight.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:27 | 2879837 ACP
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Agreed. Biden came off kind of like the unapologetic Sandusky. Really disturbing, frankly.

NOTE: When I first hit the reply button I got a pressflow "offline" error. Anyone else get this?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:32 | 2879851 Precious
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Offstage Biden and Ryan were fighting to see who could Tebow first.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:31 | 2879846 Dr. Engali
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Never mind him. He's mad because he realized Biden was more condescending than he is and that doesn't set well with him.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:32 | 2879850 Seditious Blasphemer
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Fuck off with you and all your big book learnin words, you think your smarter than we us's with your fancy grade 10 book learnins, why dont you just use normal people words and we can understand what your brain thinking thing is think saying?

Dude, For Fucks sake, stop bogarting all the hash.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:15 | 2879805 vamoose1
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its  hegelian for  the  record

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:17 | 2879811 flacon
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I'm too drunk after taking all those shots from the drinking game.... :)

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:27 | 2879838 Monedas
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He had two glasses of water .... in a thousand sips .... is that the Big Bird talking point of this debate ?  Raddatz did a very credible job !  Surprised Ryan didn't raise his hand to go to the bathroom !     Biden's sneering, laughing, facial histrionics and interrupting was childish and distracting !  The camera shot looking past Biden to Ryan was very impressive for Ryan .... so they stopped that in a heartbeat !      A solid victory for Ryan builds momentum for the ticket !  Biden needs a tonguectomy and a facial hysterectomy !

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:14 | 2879801 otto skorzeny
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for a mick he's not a very good liar.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:09 | 2879786 Seditious Blasphemer
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Syria is 5 times larger than those /b/eef flaps, err.. I mean Labias?

God, I...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:09 | 2879787 Mitch Comestein
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you heard it right.  American needs to make him the Board of Education czar.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:42 | 2879878 SgtSchultz
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I heard it from Biden also, "Syria is five times larger than Libya"

According to the CIA World Factbook

Syria: total area: 185,180 sq km

Libya: total area: 1,759,540 sq km

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:50 | 2879895 krispkritter
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 'I know nothink...!'

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:26 | 2879956 Augustus
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You do know that Biden is the Foreign Affairs Expert on the Obama team?

He has helped select the bombing targets for the Lybia campaign, with all of that map study.

Surely he could not be lying about the relative sizes of the countries. could he?  

Biden would walk across the street to intentionally tell you a lie.

 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:10 | 2879793 a growing concern
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Fuck you, Bernanke!  

 

Wait, wrong thread.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:24 | 2879827 Precious
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You didn't "fuck" Bernanke.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 10:11 | 2881210 lakecity55
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Gold, Bit-Chez!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:27 | 2879834 Seditious Blasphemer
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In what thread would an obligatory "Fuck you, Bernanke!" not be appropriate, I ask you?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:38 | 2879868 Selah
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Or perhaps a few "Gold, Bitches" in addition?

 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:53 | 2879902 a growing concern
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Fuck you, Gold!  Bernanke, Bitchez!

 

Am I doing it right?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:31 | 2879962 Chewybunny
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A discussion about pornography.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:30 | 2879845 Monedas
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Good taste is never out of place .... fuck Bernanke !

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:42 | 2879880 MiltonFriedmans...
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So, how many times did Federal Reserve show up in the word cloud again?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:33 | 2880203 Disenchanted
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Doesn't look like bailouts made an appearance either.

 

Imagine that...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:52 | 2879888 Stoploss
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Biden's word cloud looks like a shoe.

Ryan's word cloud looks like the Hindenburg right before it exploded.

 

I don't drink, but there is a first time for everything.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:52 | 2879901 Cult_of_Reason
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"Joe and I are from similar towns" Ryan then asks Biden if he knows unemployment is 10% in Scranton, but was 8.5% when Obama took office.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:02 | 2879926 vast-dom
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BE A TRUE PATRIOT THIS YEAR AND DO NOT VOTE!

 

LIARS AND SOCIOPATHS THAT CANNOT MIND THEIR BUSINESS. BIG GOV BIG SPYING ON POPULACE AND THREAT OF REVERSING ROE V. WADE. WE ARE FUCKED EITHER WAY!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:50 | 2879992 WakeUpPeeeeeople
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Instead of not voting, how about writing in:

BUSTER HYMAN

Buster needs every vote he can get.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:28 | 2880200 Gavrikon
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Isn't his running mate "Popper Cherry?"

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:35 | 2880205 BeetleBailey
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That would be Sharon Fluids

Mike Hunt is on deck

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:27 | 2880197 elementary
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Let's be clearer: FUCK YOU BIDEN!!!!!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:27 | 2880198 elementary
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Let's be clearer: FUCK YOU BIDEN!!!!!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:48 | 2879704 FleaMarketPete
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Biden's hair style:  Government workers up front, unemployed private sector in the rear.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:36 | 2879863 Stoploss
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And shirtless..

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:49 | 2879705 toomanyfakecons...
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Drudge said Ryan was a savior compared to Biden... so he must be an Israel-loving neocon hawk.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:01 | 2879726 Unprepared
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They must have missed all the references by Hiden to BiBi. If one didn't know what Bibi stands for, the would understandably assume it's another name for GOD.

Bibi approves of this, Bibi likes what we did, Bibi said we are on the right path, Bibi is not angry at us any more.

 

Thank you Bibi.

 

[addendum] Bibi loves each and everyone of us the same. but loves me more

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:18 | 2879814 vamoose1
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oops   i  thought bb  was    brigitte   bardot     pauvre  moi

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:32 | 2879853 BlackholeDivestment
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No man, this Rothschild Antichrist does not live in London. Lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKERKUoCG6Q

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:04 | 2879930 tsuki
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That's not Bibi, that's Bébé.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:17 | 2879812 disabledvet
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as per "the real script" there was no ripping Israel and there was no ripping Wall Street. This in spite of 99.9999999999999999999999999999999 percent of the electorate agrees "that's the problem and that's it." To quote Senator McCain however when he ran last time around however..."change is coming." I'll never forget being attacked by Israel when i was in Jordan...just for being there. Trust me...the attacks continue...and "those aren't just 500 advisors." Those military personnel are setting up TRUE humanitarian relief for the MASSIVE displaced population of Syria. Slowly but surely "The Anaconda Plan" is being effected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Plan

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:49 | 2879709 VulpisVulpis
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I for one welcome our identical overlords.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:51 | 2879718 taniquetil
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This debate made everything perfectly clear for me.

 

Candidates for government positions will supremely fuck everything up.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:16 | 2879808 The Shootist
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Thank god we have a Constitution designed to limit the powers of government to the bare essentials... oh.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:26 | 2879833 pavman
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Dam you Interstate Commerce Clause!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:37 | 2879866 Seditious Blasphemer
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Dam you "completely and utterly perverted so far beyond it's fundamental purpose by monopoly men's bought and paid for congressmen and 'sell your soul for a buck' attorneys" Interstate Commerce Clause!

...there, *tried* to fix it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:36 | 2879971 Augustus
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The Interstate Commerce Clause is actually a nice addition to the Constitution.

The Damnation should be directed at the Democrat President, FDR, who stuffed the Supreme court and redefined the meaning of the clause.  Attorneys have expanded it ever since, to the great betterment of Attornies who now rule us all.  Every courtroom is ruled by three attornies who determine the outcome of every issue.  One YES.  One NO.  One Judge.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:30 | 2880201 Gavrikon
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Fuck you, FDR!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:31 | 2879849 markmotive
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Why bother watching if Ron Paul wasn't there?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:11 | 2879789 TumblingDice
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I beg to differ! Can't you see their blue and red ties, clearly identifying their party affiliation!?!?

On a related note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA7B3vpIlmQ

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:49 | 2879710 Tsunami Wave
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Who loses? The American People, and soon the people of Iran.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:49 | 2879713 e-man
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This debate will put the makers of Xanax out of business.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:57 | 2879715 e-man
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Cripes!  I was so knocked unconscious I double posted!

 

Ryan: (am)(an) = am+n, where ax2 + bx + c = 0

Biden: Get off my lawn!!!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:39 | 2879977 AllThatGlitters
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I logged in just to up arrow that.  Classic!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:56 | 2879719 knukles
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Content: Draw.. as in nothing of substance/which should have been brought up, so no surprises
Character:  All goes to Ryan... poised, mature  Biden; where'd that shit eating dismissive grin come from as a fixture?  Inappropriate on some weighty subjects.. even grinned through failures as in Don't Take Any of This Shit Seriously, Folks, 'Cause We Aren't.  And those constsnt interruptions... like a petulant child.  Lack of maturity/insecurity.

Net;  By a margin to Ryan

In combination with last debate; Joe's dismissive attitude signaling lack of control, desire to duck issues, etc., place additional weight (negative) on the Democratic side.

BFD, right?

Wrong.
Since either of these groups are gonna continue with the Grand Theft Country Plan, don't make much difference in the end... but I gotta say, I am tired of being lectured to by these folks about how gubamnit is the answer.... 

 

Where the fuck's Ron Paul when we need him?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:05 | 2879773 FEDbuster
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To think Joe Biden is a "heartbeat" away from being POTUS, is some scary shit.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:21 | 2879825 disabledvet
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i did take note that there was no "you phuck with Obama you're phucking with me" kinda stuff from VP Biden...something i definitely feel the American people got with Paul Ryan. Purely stylistic of course...but i like our Veep's standing by our Man. And I truly feel vis a vis Syria the President of the United States was attacked...and that PISSES ME OFF.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:29 | 2879840 pavman
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Just about guarantees there won't be any attempts if you know what I mean.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 03:24 | 2880163 StychoKiller
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Biden is the Obamatron's anti-assassination policy...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:36 | 2879862 krispkritter
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Ron Paul Speaks His Mind On The Fed, Fiscal Cliff, And Romney 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pQD6BN5KX0

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:01 | 2879919 tsuki
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Really?  You think Mr. 60% of my life has been lived on the public dole Ryan was poised and mature.  Wow, just wow. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:55 | 2879721 booboo
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Biden: I wrote the Patriot Act

 Ryan: I voted in favor of it every time

Me:  FUCK THEM BOTH WITH A BROOM HANDLE

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:56 | 2879737 TuesdayBen
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Your broom

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:15 | 2879804 DeadFred
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Make sure it has lots of splinters.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:38 | 2879869 Seditious Blasphemer
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Make sure it has lots of sphincters.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:45 | 2879885 krispkritter
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We've got plenty of those in DC...in fact, they're overstocked by probably 534 units...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:54 | 2879729 Bugsquasher
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I think Biden couldn't decide between channeling Statler or Waldorf.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:54 | 2879730 eigenvalue
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With a moustache, Biden would look like my avatar. He was an old coot in the debate. I couldn't bear his interruption and yells. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:55 | 2879736 Dr. Engali
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Well Iran it looks like no matter who wins you're next up on the invasion front.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:15 | 2879803 a growing concern
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Also, Iran, you're gonna need a bigger wheelbarrow.  

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:23 | 2879828 Unprepared
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Hence the saying: "I took all my Gold and iRan"

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:57 | 2879738 Rattling Bones
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Clueless Joe with that seedy, used car salesman smile reminded me of why I picked him out as a phony when I first laid eyes on the shady bastard long ago.

 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:58 | 2879752 Tsunami Wave
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I just crack up when he lowers and deepens his voice when he tries talking about something sad... it's really funny.  Seriously, I'd pay to see this guy live in a stand up comedy show.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:31 | 2879836 Precious
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Biden will be door greeter at the Hartford Wal-Mart starting January 20, 2013.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:55 | 2879910 vamoose1
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hey!!     thats  my  car

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:56 | 2879741 FleaMarketPete
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Carl Quintanilla declares slight win for Biden.  CNBC informal poll:  Ryan 67% win over high Biden 33%.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:18 | 2879816 The Shootist
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Lol, CNBC shills are covering that clusterfuck?! thats comedy, i need to check it...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:58 | 2879748 Muppet Pimp
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What a complete waste of an hour and a half....at least im buzzing from the drinking game....they brought nothing new to the table.  Biden was acting like a child not a presidential figure....Ryan was less than impressive...where did my shotglass run off too

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:58 | 2879751 Fix It Again Timmy
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Of course I am not going to make anything of the "debate"; there simply is no point.  I will say, however, that I was floored when Biden won the coin toss for the closing comment and chose to go first!  I still can't believe it and he is our vice-president?  We truly are in deeeeep shittttt...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:59 | 2879753 fonzannoon
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Biden looked like a crazy asshole and Ryan proved they had no plan. Ron Paul said it best today. They need to allow a second party in these debates.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:01 | 2879765 knukles
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Best analysis yet.
Crazy asshole vs no plan

(sniggering)

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:25 | 2879832 Race Car Driver
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They don't need a plan. The Banksters will hand the incoming administration an updated copy of The Plan after the selection.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:41 | 2879848 Precious
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Biden forgot who was running for President.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 01:57 | 2880094 prains
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the plan reads;

 

more money now!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:06 | 2880161 Supernova Born
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Plans alienate voters. Smiles attract voters [however, crazy, protracted, pointless smiles creep voters out].

Do TV shows have a plan? Was "Lost" all mapped out at the start of the first season? Did Deadwood have a final episode scripted?

Did Obamacare actually amount to a detailed and complete "plan" when it was SIGNED into law by Obama? [Man, that would have been a zinger for Ryan when that "moderator" was trying to nail him].

Plans? That's political crazy talk.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:11 | 2879794 hawk nation
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They both have no plan in common 

I think everyone in washington know there is nothing we can do about the debt other than default using hyperinflation

What a gutless way to address the issue 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:28 | 2879839 disabledvet
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I'm sick and tired of Big Oil too. And privatizing TXU has got to be one of the stupidest things in history. Anywho...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxMcViTf7KU

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:41 | 2879979 Augustus
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Privatizing TXU was OK.

Refusing to allow them to build additional generation was suicidal.

Forcing them to subsidize the whirlygig power compounds the disaster.

Why attempt to bankrupt the companies who deliver the modern miracle of electric power?  Obammie has a plan?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:59 | 2879754 lolmao500
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Yep. Equal debate. Both are full of shit. But since Biden has been in there for longer, screwing America for a longer time, he's worse than Ryan.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:01 | 2879759 zorba THE GREEK
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I know Joe. His boys and my daughter went to the the same small private school together.

Even though I support Ron Paul, I didn't want to see Joe make a fool of himself during the debate.

Joe Biden held his own against Paul Ryan and quite possibly could be construed to have won the debate.

Who would have thunk it possible? Joe has always been a straight forward guy and an honest politician,

if that is not an oxymoron. That said, I truly believe that the only hope for this country to avoid a major

catastrophe is for someone like Ron Paul to take charge and bring us back to fiscal responsibility.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:05 | 2879774 eigenvalue
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Can you name another guy like Ron Paul? His son? No, they are different critters. Ron Paul is already near 80. I don't think there will be another Ron Paul in the foreseeable future. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:06 | 2879777 dapper_dan
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You're joking right?

Either you are a troll, a bad joke, or a drunkard who saw the wrong debate.  

Biden, won?  You mean the condescending, smirking, lying, double-talking asshold with the 80+ raspy alcoholic voice who needs to go back to his cave where Obama hasn't let him out from for months?!!!

Spare us.  Really.  SHut the f&*( up, asswipe 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:13 | 2879798 CrimsonAvenger
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No kidding about them not letting Joe out. Here in Charlotte, he was hardly seen; the joke around town was that his was the only hotel room with the lock on the outside.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:06 | 2879932 Bugsquasher
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While tis crew of asswipes was in town I hunkered down and avoided anything near uptown.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:53 | 2879903 Raymond Reason
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You're the bad joke.  You picked a winner.  They own you. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:59 | 2879915 vamoose1
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Hey  ~~~    thats  my  daddy     WAITER!!!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:55 | 2879876 Raymond Reason
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Biden is clearly the less militant of the two, but who cares. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:53 | 2879990 Augustus
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Joe Biden is as dishonest a politician as ever served in the US Senate.

Bogus Biography.

Plagarizes Speeches.

Then see this on his questioning methods:

Our Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden VP Debate Primer

 

 

 

I once spent quite a bit of time with C-Span and saw some Biden questioning.  that synopsis is what Biden regularly did, all the while with that great smile.  Just like the croc that chewed your leg off.

He could be tollerable as a back fence neighbor who has no control over anyone's future.  He is a perfect case of the sleaze bag otherwise.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 08:48 | 2880875 flapdoodle
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Seems to me Biden is the quintessencial American politician, the perfect example, the epitome of the creatures that slither under Capitol Hill.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:04 | 2879770 grunk
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That's 90 minutes I'll never get back.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:39 | 2879857 Precious
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Our turn to have fun now.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:05 | 2879772 FanOfAnn
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Joe should give Mr Ed's teeth back. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:08 | 2879780 ShortTheUS
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The biggest loser was Joe Biden's dentist.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:28 | 2879959 Supernova Born
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Francis Dolarhyde's [Red Dragon] dentures look better.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 01:21 | 2880035 e_goldstein
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apart from the American people.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:39 | 2879782 Rattling Bones
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Biden will get high marks just because he didn't involve any joy buzzers, whoopie cushions, exploding cigars, rubber chickens or water squirting lapel flowers.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:09 | 2879785 SilverIsKing
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Is the debate over? I've decided to wait it out while relaxing in my oven turned up to 500 degrees to avoid the pain of listening to these idiots. The oven door is sound proof so someone please let me know when I can come out.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:01 | 2879922 vamoose1
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hahaha     its  over       you  lose   they  were cookin

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:36 | 2879973 Geruda
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Yes, the debate is being over.  The Vice President who is Biden was having the bragging marathon man who is having very big lies to brag about the time he is running for lunch.  The debate we were having on our televisions was a man taking a boy who is a boy who is telling many lies to the wood shed.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:12 | 2879796 Mitch Comestein
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Okay, I am going to show my religious stance here.  If Catholism defines his life, or whatever crap he said then by did he take the lords name in vain in a national debate.

I don't think he was praying.  I am just saying.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:44 | 2879884 zorba THE GREEK
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I knew I was going to take a lot of flack when I said I hoped Joe Biden didn't make a 

fool of himself during the debate, but I remember the day when his wife and daughter

were killed in the car crash. We Delawarians all prayed for him and his family. When he

was sworn in to the the U.S. Senate, it was from the hospital where his 2 sons, Hunter and Beau

were still recovering. Joe was an honest senator and voted his conscience. I may not agree

with his politics, but I will always respect him for his honesty. Now have your fun giving

Zorba the down votes, but I will say what I know is true regardless.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 01:08 | 2880015 Augustus
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Biden has made a career of being one of the most dishonest bastards in the US Senate.  He displayed it again this evening in the debate.

He voted in Favor (YES) on the Use of Force against Iraq resolution.  Tonight he said he voted against it.  LIE.

He voted in favor of Invasion of Afghanistan.  Tonight he said he voted against it.  LIE.

He has no conscience.  He voted IN Favor (YES) for a Constitutional Ammendment to OVERTURN Roe vs. Wade.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 01:52 | 2880051 KK Tipton
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I'm amazed the American public ignores hard cold truths like this.

 

Oh, but wait:

Yuri Bezemenov laid it all out perfectly.

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/2007/bezmenov.htm

" It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages. The first one being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism....

The result? The result you can see ... the people who graduated in the 60's, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, and educational systems. You are stuck with them. You can't get through to them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.

In other words [for] these people the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To rid society of these people you need another 15 or 20 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United States society."

 

"The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it.... That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization."


Nobody is going to call Biden on this. Nobody in any national media anyway.

 

Bonus info:

Biden, Iraq, and Obama's Betrayal | FPIF - http://bit.ly/RSHnu7

"Incipient Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama’s selection of Joseph Biden as his running mate constitutes a stunning betrayal of the anti-war constituency who made possible his hard-fought victory in the Democratic primaries and caucuses."

"Rather than being a hapless victim of the Bush administration’s lies and manipulation, Biden was calling for a U.S. invasion of Iraq and making false statements regarding Saddam Hussein’s supposed possession of “weapons of mass destruction” years before President George W. Bush even came to office.

As far back as 1998, Biden was calling for a U.S. invasion of that oil rich country."


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:14 | 2879800 monopoly
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Well, there will not be anyone like Ron Paul in the WH for the next 4 years. I thought the debate was just what I expected. A whole lot of campaign ads. But I will admit, Biden smiling, laughing and shaking his head again and again was tacky. Right or wrong, they need to respect each other and Biden did NOT do that. I thought he lost points on his annoying facial expressions. Ryan held his own. But not a devastating blow to the one who knows how to spend the money we will never have.

All in all. Meh!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:16 | 2879807 Seditious Blasphemer
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Fuck T-Bo.

It's all so clear to me now, after watching this performance.

It's not at all about who is on who's team and which team is the winning team.

The ultimate power is in who are the referees. If you can come in and referee the lives of an entire country, who gives a fuck about which side those citizens are on if you are the one calling the plays.

It's all about who's the ref, not the best team or the star player.

I'm going to be a ref.

Fuck T-Bo.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:23 | 2879823 otto skorzeny
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Ryan is a TARP/banker ball-licker born-w/-a-silver-spoon-up-his-ass professional pol-anybody from WI or attended school there is fucked in the head. Biden is clueless. I hate Cheney- he was Machiavelli's "The Prince" incarnate- but neither of these 2 stooges could carry his jock.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 01:11 | 2880022 Augustus
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Otto,

You don't know what you are talking about.

Ryan is from a modest middle class family in Janesville, Wisconsin.  I have relatives who taught him in school.  Always a bright straight arrow student who became interested in government.  I'm glad he is there instead of the usual idiot.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:25 | 2879831 John_Coltrane
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Well, Biden won the interuption and smirking contest hands down.  Never knew Syria was 5 times the size of Libya either.  Thank god we've got a Dept of Education!  That Joe is one suave fuck (anyone remember where that line comes from?)  I'd support Romney/Ryan just to avoid the irritation of ever seeing Biden again.  The best we can hope for is complete government gridlock and maybe a shutdown over the debt ceiling. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:30 | 2879844 eigenvalue
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Romney/Ryan will not win. Obummer has been buying votes with all sorts of welfare programs for 4 years. He couldn't have spent all those dollars in vain. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:39 | 2879872 Monedas
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Show your voting stub and get a free cell phone and a hit of crack !

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 07:31 | 2880689 andrewp111
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Forgert them. Inner city types are in the bag for the Dems in any case. It is the disability rolls, stupid. That is where the votes are bought and paid for.

Wanna bet that the Obama Administration has been especially lenient about disability applicants from VA, OH, PA, and FL?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:44 | 2879981 KK Tipton
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"That Joe is one suave fuck."

 

"If you like, Frank......Here's to your fuck."
Blue Velvet - Ben, One Suave Fucker - YouTube - http://youtu.be/aH8FEZvaiAI

You can cut the tension with a knife....insane directing skills.

This one is my favorite:
Mulholland Dr. clip - The Cowboy (2001) HD - YouTube - http://youtu.be/rNjX3tQMygk

 

You know, I'd vote Agent Cooper for president.
Before the whole possession thing mind you.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 07:28 | 2880683 andrewp111
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We won't get rid of Biden. My prediction - Obama will win OH and VA, but lose FL, NH, WI and PA. The electoral vote is 269-269. The House picks Romney as Pres, and the Senate picks Biden, possibly with Biden breaking the tie in his own favor.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:30 | 2879843 realtick
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This Is What A Pathetic @TFMetals Chart Looks Like

http://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/2012/10/this-is-what-pa...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:39 | 2879873 Race Car Driver
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First!

 

(derp!)

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:33 | 2879854 Monedas
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Obama couldn't have a one hour conversation with anyone .... let alone Bibi !

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:41 | 2879877 BRAD3000
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I was angry appalled, pissed off that Biden kept interjecting and talking over Ryan.  Grrrr!

And I think Biden was trying to rattle Ryan who took the high road and shot the moderator a couple of "control him" comments.

Biden needs to be issued a MUZZLE during all debates.

The moderator was a spinless waste of space.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:46 | 2879887 Race Car Driver
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Jesus, Brad ... relax. It's not real. It's like when the good guy gets hit with a folding chair - it's all pretend, see? Like Santa Clau ...

 

Oh, Brad, I'm sorry.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:48 | 2879889 dark pools of soros
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i hate both parties but it is fucking funny all the pussy GOPers here crying home scared of Joe Bully Bipolar Biden..  priceless..  you guys are suppose to be the 'tough guys' right?? 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:50 | 2879894 MrSteve
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My friend commented that the first debate was a waste of electricity and I'm sure he would double down that this escapade was a useless waste of electricity as well as everyone's time. Life is a carnival, if you can stand the gaffe from these shills running for office in our name.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:12 | 2879933 Supernova Born
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I started to think Biden's head was going to come off and he'd start spitting up white milky fluid.

Does Biden understand how serious the world economic situation is?

Biden reminded me of the Ash android from Alien laughing and grinning as he says to Ripley that the Alien cannot be destroyed but that Ash did offer his "sympathies" while grinning broadly.

Ripley: How do we kill it Ash? There's gotta be a way of killing it. How? How do we do it? Ash: You can't. Ash: [Ripley goes to disconnect Ash, who interrupts] Last word. Ripley: What? Ash: I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies. :)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:40 | 2879978 Geruda
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If the thinking you are describing is the thinking you really were doing during the debate you have very many stupids in your head.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:09 | 2879934 RSloane
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LOL CNBC has a poll to vote for who you think won the debate. Its very scientific, its a click poll!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49327648

I always wondered where their data came from.....now I know.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!