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Debate Post-Mortem: Wreckin' Raddatz, Laughin' Angry-Boy Biden, And Car-Crash Ryan

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And so another disingenuous display of avoiding saying anything definitive about anything specific is complete. Without doubt the winner of this evening's 'round-table' is Martha Raddatz. Despite the incessant interruption and grinning/laughing/anger/frustration of Biden (and Ryan bringing up a 'car-crash' - awkward), the two candidates had relatively equal talking time (via CNN Biden Won 41:32 vs Ryan 40:12) but Ryan pipped Biden by 7,434 words to 7,425! Picking a winner is tough - so we won't - but Obama's odds rose from a pre-debate dump to 61% to over 64% (this morning's levels) - but stopped rising once the candidates began to discuss Afghanistan and Syria and when Ryan 'summed-up', Obama's odds crashed back to unchanged at 61.2%. Ryan won the drinking game 32 to 26.

 

Biden - 3x Malarkey

Ryan - 1x Car-Crash

 

The Obama Odds Rollercoaster:

 

The Final Score in The Drinking Debate (via @DebateDrinking):

 

 

 

The full headline stream from Bloomberg

BIDEN

*JOE BIDEN SAYS LIBYA ATTACK WAS 'TRAGEDY'
*JOE BIDEN SAYS ANY MISTAKES IN LIBYA WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN
*BIDEN SAYS OBAMA 'HAS LED WITH A STEADY HAND AND CLEAR VISION'
*BIDEN SAYS 'WE WEREN'T TOLD' LIBYA EMBASSY NEEDED MORE SECURITY
*BIDEN: 'WE FEEL QUITE CONFIDENT' IN ABILITY TO STRIKE IRAN
*BIDEN: 'WE WILL NOT LET THEM ACQUIRE A NUCLEAR WEAPON'
*BIDEN: 'THEY DON'T HAVE A WEAPON' IN IRAN
*BIDEN: WAR MUST ALWAYS BE 'LAST RESORT'
*BIDEN SAYS 'THIS PRESIDENT DOESN'T BLUFF'
*BIDEN: 'WE CAN AND WE WILL' GET UNEMPLOYMENT UNDER 6%
*BIDEN SAYS TIMELINE FOR DROP IN UNEMPLOYMENT UNCERTAIN
*BIDEN SAYS ROMNEY, RYAN SHOULD SIGN PLEDGE TO MIDDLE CLASS
*BIDEN SAYS GOP NEEDS TO 'GET OUT OF THE WAY'
*BIDEN SAYS GOP HOLDING UP GOOD POLICIES TO HELP MIDDLE CLASS
*BIDEN: 'FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS' ON ROMNEY, RYAN MEDICARE PLAN
*BIDEN: 'WE WILL BE NO PART OF A VOUCHER PROGRAM' ON MEDICARE
*BIDEN: 'NO JUSTIFICATION' NOW FOR TAX CUTS FOR WEALTHY
*BIDEN: ROMNEY WILL CUT MIDDLE CLASS TAX BREAKS
*BIDEN: AFGHANS RESPONSIBLE FOR OWN SECURITY
*BIDEN: 'WE ARE LEAVING IN 2014, PERIOD'
*BIDEN: ALLIES AGREE W/ U.S. TIMELINE IN AFGHANISTAN
*BIDEN: TIMELINE IS NECESSARY TO MAKE AFGHANISTAN 'STEP UP'
*BIDEN: OBAMA ENSURING ASSAD REGIME FOLLOWED BY LEGITIMATE GOVT
*BIDEN: OBAMA DOING EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED IN SYRIA
*BIDEN: CATHOLICISM 'PARTICULARLY' INFORMS SOCIAL DOCTRINE
*BIDEN SAYS ACCEPTS, WON'T IMPOSE CATHOLIC CHURCH ABORTION VIEW

*BIDEN: 'WE INHERITED A GOD AWFUL CIRCUMSTANCE'

*BIDEN: PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR 'EVEN SHOT,' PEACE OF MIND

 

RYAN

*RYAN SAYS OBAMA WAITED TO CALL LIBYA ATTACK TERRORISM
*RYAN SAYS OBAMA IS 'PROJECTING WEAKNESS ABROAD'
*RYAN SAYS DEFENSE CUTS PROJECT WEAKNESS
*RYAN SAYS 'WE SHOULD ALWAYS STAND UP FOR PEACE' AND DEMOCRACY
*RYAN SAYS IRAN 'RACING TOWARD' NUCLEAR WEAPON
*RYAN SAYS ADMINISTRATION WAS AGAINST TOUGH IRAN SANCTIONS
*RYAN: ADMINISTRATION OPPOSED IRAN SANCTIONS, ISSUED WAIVERS
*RYAN SAYS ADMINISTRATION'S ACTIVITY ABROAD ENCOURAGES IRAN
*RYAN SAYS ADMINISTRATION INHERITED 'TOUGH SITUATION'
*RYAN SAYS ECONOMY 'HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION'
*RYAN SAYS 'MITT ROMNEY IS A GOOD MAN,' CARES ABOUT 100% OF U.S.
*RYAN SAYS DEMOCRATS HAD MAJORITY, FAILED TO HELP ECONOMY
*RYAN SAYS OBAMA SEND TAX DOLLARS TO 'WINDMILLS IN CHINA'
*RYAN: ENTITLEMENTS HEADING TOWARD BANKRUPTCY 'INDISPUTABLE'
*RYAN: OBAMA GOT CAUGHT W/ HAND IN 'PIGGY BANK' ON MEDICARE
*RYAN: 'IF WE DON'T FIX THIS PROBLEM,' SENIORS WILL GET CUT
*RYAN: 'WE ARE NOT GOING TO JEOPARDIZE' MEDICARE
*RYAN: ROMNEY'S 'ENTIRE PLAN' ON TAXES BASED ON HELPING ECONOMY
*RYAN: 'WATCH OUT MIDDLE CLASS' OBAMA WILL TAX YOU
*RYAN: UNLIKE OBAMA, WE 'WANT TO HAVE BIG BIPARTISAN AGREEMENTS'
*RYAN: ROMNEY HAS RECORD OF WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE
*RYAN: GAINS IN AFGHANISTAN SHOULDN'T BE LOST
*RYAN: U.S. SHOULDN'T BROADCAST AFGHANISTAN TIMELINE
*RYAN: TIMELINE GIVES ALLIES REASON TO TRUST US LESS
*RYAN: 'RUSSIA RESET'S NOT WORKING,' PROVEN BY SYRIA DISPUTES
*RYAN SAYS NO ONE PROPOSING U.S TROOPS IN SYRIA
*RYAN: U.S. SHOULDN'T BE 'OUTSOURCING' FOREIGN POLICY TO RUSSIA
*RYAN: FAITH, REASON AND SCIENCE BEHIND PRO-LIFE BELIEFS

*RYAN: OBAMA 'HAD HIS CHANCE' AND 'IT'S NOT WORKING'

*RYAN: HE, ROMNEY OFFERING REAL REFORMS, WANT TO EARN SUPPORT

 

An incredibly close race in the number of words uttered:

Biden 7,425 words

 

Ryan 7,434 words

 

So - overall Time Talking goes to Biden, Words Spoken goes to Ryan, and critical tie-breaker - drinking-game goes to Ryan; and so with no need to go to the official arbitrator (InTrade - which was unchanged after the late debate crash) - we call the debate for Paul Ryan by a score of 2-1!

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Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:46 | 2879698 FleaMarketPete
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Fuck you hair plugs!!!!!!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:50 | 2879716 Unprepared
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How about Biden's "Syria is 5 times larger than Lybia" ? (unless I mishead that)

 

And how about all the irony in both fools reply to the last question from the supposed decorated soldier?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:00 | 2879755 flacon
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Ryan looked straight into the camera for his closing remarks. Biden avoided eye contact at all costs. Back in the day I would have said that Ryan won - but I know it's all just a Hagelian dialectic. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:01 | 2879760 ACP
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Is that a sandwich?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:11 | 2879795 Unprepared
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It's a tribal language. Fool.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:16 | 2879809 a growing concern
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Lighten up, Francis.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:21 | 2879818 Precious
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Biden gets the most points for being a dick.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:36 | 2879864 Precious
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Joe Biden Style (link)

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:48 | 2879890 krispkritter
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Very appropriate considering his foot's in his mouth most of the time...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:09 | 2879935 fourchan
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9 mock debates with joe and this was the best he could do?

 

i just picture ron paul, a true republican ripping socialist joe a new

one and dismissing half of his blather as nonsence..to his face.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:21 | 2879950 Precious
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Biden was laughing so hard he wet his diapers.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:03 | 2879927 vast-dom
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BE A TRUE PATRIOT THIS YEAR AND DO NOT VOTE!

 

LIARS AND SOCIOPATHS THAT CANNOT MIND THEIR BUSINESS. BIG GOV BIG SPYING ON POPULACE AND THREAT OF REVERSING ROE V. WADE. WE ARE FUCKED EITHER WAY!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 06:21 | 2880569 sunnydays
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I completely agree.  People need to REVOLT by not voting!  Both are liars and both will do the bidding of their masters.  the people are going to be screwed over no matter who gets in.   By NOT voting, you are going against them.  You will not be sanctioning what they do against you.

 

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:32 | 2879964 WillyGroper
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Car wreck?  Cheap kick in the nads. Pugsley Addams appeared the bigger dick to me. Metaphorically speaking. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:20 | 2879821 ACP
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My apologies, I did not realize this was a "serious room."

I shall try my best, in earnest, to reply with uttermost learn-ed competency, in my next reply.

If you would excuse me, I have an alcoholic beverage awaiting consumption.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:24 | 2879830 mick68
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I don't respect rude, arrogant debaters who continually interrupt like Biden did.

Ryan showed class and patience in the face of Biden's classless act tonight.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:27 | 2879837 ACP
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Agreed. Biden came off kind of like the unapologetic Sandusky. Really disturbing, frankly.

NOTE: When I first hit the reply button I got a pressflow "offline" error. Anyone else get this?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:32 | 2879851 Precious
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Offstage Biden and Ryan were fighting to see who could Tebow first.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:31 | 2879846 Dr. Engali
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Never mind him. He's mad because he realized Biden was more condescending than he is and that doesn't set well with him.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:32 | 2879850 Seditious Blasphemer
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Fuck off with you and all your big book learnin words, you think your smarter than we us's with your fancy grade 10 book learnins, why dont you just use normal people words and we can understand what your brain thinking thing is think saying?

Dude, For Fucks sake, stop bogarting all the hash.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:15 | 2879805 vamoose1
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its  hegelian for  the  record

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:17 | 2879811 flacon
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I'm too drunk after taking all those shots from the drinking game.... :)

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:27 | 2879838 Monedas
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He had two glasses of water .... in a thousand sips .... is that the Big Bird talking point of this debate ?  Raddatz did a very credible job !  Surprised Ryan didn't raise his hand to go to the bathroom !     Biden's sneering, laughing, facial histrionics and interrupting was childish and distracting !  The camera shot looking past Biden to Ryan was very impressive for Ryan .... so they stopped that in a heartbeat !      A solid victory for Ryan builds momentum for the ticket !  Biden needs a tonguectomy and a facial hysterectomy !

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:14 | 2879801 otto skorzeny
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for a mick he's not a very good liar.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:09 | 2879786 Seditious Blasphemer
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Syria is 5 times larger than those /b/eef flaps, err.. I mean Labias?

God, I...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:09 | 2879787 Mitch Comestein
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you heard it right.  American needs to make him the Board of Education czar.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:42 | 2879878 SgtSchultz
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I heard it from Biden also, "Syria is five times larger than Libya"

According to the CIA World Factbook

Syria: total area: 185,180 sq km

Libya: total area: 1,759,540 sq km

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:50 | 2879895 krispkritter
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 'I know nothink...!'

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:26 | 2879956 Augustus
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You do know that Biden is the Foreign Affairs Expert on the Obama team?

He has helped select the bombing targets for the Lybia campaign, with all of that map study.

Surely he could not be lying about the relative sizes of the countries. could he?  

Biden would walk across the street to intentionally tell you a lie.

 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:10 | 2879793 a growing concern
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Fuck you, Bernanke!  

 

Wait, wrong thread.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:24 | 2879827 Precious
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You didn't "fuck" Bernanke.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 10:11 | 2881210 lakecity55
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Gold, Bit-Chez!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:27 | 2879834 Seditious Blasphemer
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In what thread would an obligatory "Fuck you, Bernanke!" not be appropriate, I ask you?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:38 | 2879868 Selah
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Or perhaps a few "Gold, Bitches" in addition?

 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:53 | 2879902 a growing concern
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Fuck you, Gold!  Bernanke, Bitchez!

 

Am I doing it right?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:31 | 2879962 Chewybunny
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A discussion about pornography.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:30 | 2879845 Monedas
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Good taste is never out of place .... fuck Bernanke !

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:42 | 2879880 MiltonFriedmans...
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So, how many times did Federal Reserve show up in the word cloud again?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:33 | 2880203 Disenchanted
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Doesn't look like bailouts made an appearance either.

 

Imagine that...

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:52 | 2879888 Stoploss
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Biden's word cloud looks like a shoe.

Ryan's word cloud looks like the Hindenburg right before it exploded.

 

I don't drink, but there is a first time for everything.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:52 | 2879901 Cult_of_Reason
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"Joe and I are from similar towns" Ryan then asks Biden if he knows unemployment is 10% in Scranton, but was 8.5% when Obama took office.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:02 | 2879926 vast-dom
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BE A TRUE PATRIOT THIS YEAR AND DO NOT VOTE!

 

LIARS AND SOCIOPATHS THAT CANNOT MIND THEIR BUSINESS. BIG GOV BIG SPYING ON POPULACE AND THREAT OF REVERSING ROE V. WADE. WE ARE FUCKED EITHER WAY!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:50 | 2879992 WakeUpPeeeeeople
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Instead of not voting, how about writing in:

BUSTER HYMAN

Buster needs every vote he can get.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:28 | 2880200 Gavrikon
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Isn't his running mate "Popper Cherry?"

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:35 | 2880205 BeetleBailey
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That would be Sharon Fluids

Mike Hunt is on deck

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:27 | 2880197 elementary
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Let's be clearer: FUCK YOU BIDEN!!!!!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:27 | 2880198 elementary
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Let's be clearer: FUCK YOU BIDEN!!!!!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:48 | 2879704 FleaMarketPete
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Biden's hair style:  Government workers up front, unemployed private sector in the rear.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:36 | 2879863 Stoploss
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And shirtless..

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