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Visualizing America's Education

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Education plays a fundamental role in American Society. This ultimate infographic from provides the ultimate visualization of what all you tax dollars ($602.6bn on elementary and secondary education) and student loan debt (57.6mm people over 25 have at least a Bachelor's degree) has created - for instance: only 7% of <34-year-olds had gone to college in 1970, as opposed to 18.9% currently!


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[Source: U.S. Census Bureau]


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Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:04 | 2879210 lolmao500
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Throw more money at it, it ought to solve the problem!

Or better yet, put all the kids on drugs! Legal drugs of course... since they are alright... you know, because they are legal!

Like this fellow...

Attention Disorder or Not, Pills to Help in School

“I don’t have a whole lot of choice,” said Dr. Anderson, a pediatrician for many poor families in Cherokee County, north of Atlanta. “We’ve decided as a society that it’s too expensive to modify the kid’s environment. So we have to modify the kid.”

And to those who support this crap... yeah it'll be alright... as long as the kids are on these drugs... forever. If they ever quit, they won't be able to... and will either go crazy or on other drugs... like meth and the likes.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:36 | 2879270 SnobGobbler
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whoa, who the fuck reads the nytimes? plenty of legit  sites are  free and have NO fluffy hard-hitting crap journalism; seriously who in this day and age can't see public education is a big-fat joke.  may as well be a lion killing a christian, just keep that shit to yourself.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:25 | 2879951 old naughty
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Who cares about how many graduates?

How many have jobs !!!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 07:00 | 2880624 Watauga
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Why wouldn't an 18-25 year old go to college?  If his family makes less than $75K, he likely will get massive amounts of taxpayer support for 4+ years.  He can enjoy life while not working.  If he flunks out, his grants do not have to be repaid because they are grants, not loans.  If he gets through, it appears from the charts anyway, that he will improve his chances of making money in the future.  It would be insane not to go. 

That said, the whole scam is used to buy votes, period.  It sickens me that the taxpayer is footing the bill for every kid out there, and not just his own.  It is just another big-time scam for politicians, lenders, and takers to benefit at the expense of those who work.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:25 | 2883403 Ryuukai
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"public education"!?

The student debt is all from PRIVATE education.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:06 | 2879216 krispkritter
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I find it distasteful that I have to support Public Education when I abhor it. Complete scam.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:36 | 2879258 kekekekekekeke
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I'm a public high school teacher and if I ever have kids you better believe they're going to be homeschooled


I'm going to raise my kids just like Eric Bana did in Hanna

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:43 | 2879298 nufio
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fuck this shit...the gender charts are misleading.... graduation statistics by degrees & sex :

this is the reason why median salaries of women are lower.. because they are all talking up gender studies.. while 90% of engineering is male.

most bachelors and masters degrees are worth shit and should not be considered as anything more than hobbies. yet statistics combines their numbers.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:16 | 2879806 Maxter
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I couldn't agree more about the masters degrees.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:22 | 2879947 old naughty
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What, masters increased more than bachelor's 170% (almost 200%)?

But we made a bigger mess than 40 years ago, no?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:57 | 2879742 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Dude, way too much work bro, and I have to cook lunch? Where is my free lunch if they stay home? I work in education as well, and I think home schooling, charter schools, and open sourced courseware are the future. I also think the workweek should be 4 and not 5 days to save energy.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 07:02 | 2880630 Watauga
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"I find it distasteful that I have to support Public Education when I abhor it. Complete scam." --KK

How can there be a single negative vote on KK's comment?  Seriously, what is there not to agree with?

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:09 | 2879219 malalingua
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"Only a FOOL would let his enemy teach his children" Malcom X

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:11 | 2879221 nmewn
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Surely a few trillion more in "debt ïnvestment" can cure all of this ;-)

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:16 | 2879230 krispkritter
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Surely! Bail out all those absurd Edumacation pensions and a raise for Big Bird! I mean $315k is cheap when you consider that the Chinese only have Pandas and everyone knows Pandas can't talk!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:56 | 2879328 nmewn
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315k...I knew it was up there for Caroll Spinney (aka Big Bird). What does one say about "fighting for Big Bird" now?

Billions of dollars in sales...yet the taxpayer must support its vehicle for those sales.

The contortions of financial logic is torture these days ;-)

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:38 | 2879279 SnobGobbler
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in astra zeneca we trust (your sarcasm roll..)!!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:14 | 2879223 Raynja
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i love how each category is change from 1970 to 2010, except cost

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:16 | 2879229 zorba THE GREEK
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What the f$%# are they teaching kids in school these days.

When I was in the 6th grade, I had a better grasp of math

and English skills than most teachers have today. It's time

to make teachers accountable for their students education.

If the kids fail the standardize testing, the teachers should

get the boot.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:32 | 2879259 The Grip
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Shut the fuck up and go eat some more olives. 

It's the parenting, genius. [And I'm in business, not education.]

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:38 | 2879280 Ignatius
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See if your opinion shifts after a weekend with John Taylor Gatto:

And yes, ultimately it is the parent's responsibility.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:50 | 2879314 Totentänzerlied
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"ultimately it is the parent's responsibility"

Hmm, you don't say.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:45 | 2879369 Ignatius
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That said, once one realizes that the system of universal, compulsory schooling was set up for the purpose of creating our modern consumer economy -- consumers, not citizens -- things start to fall into place.

What's the only other common usage of the word 'school'?  Right, fish.  One fin moves this way and a thousand other fish move together. One of several primary purposes of 'schooling' is to create a common reaction to authority.

The current system, culture and environment is constantly sending out signals that attempt (successfully) to undermine the notion of simple parental authority and responsibility.  You certainly don't think that of current corporate culture came about 'naturally', do you?


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:26 | 2879401 Ignatius
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Simple test. Sit and think of your personal reference frames; the first time as a child you became aware of something -- like horses, for example.  Was it TV?  Endless examples of 'the first time I heard of______', etc..

Well, not so long ago it was just Mother, Father, Brother, Uncle, Neighbor, Mentor and direct experience, etc.. 

The point being that parents are up against a lot of competing 'authorities' than we ever were before.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:41 | 2879450 samsara
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plus, a WIDE array of visual and mind absorbing devices. The attention span I believe is vastly different than it was.

How much time does a kid have just to reflect/daydream or lie on their backs and watch the clouds...

Over stimulation I believe is having a profound effect down the road.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:59 | 2879338 nmewn
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Plus a million young minds on Gatto...and growing ;-)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:43 | 2879980 A Nanny Moose
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Parents aren't the ones teaching kids the Pedge of Fucking Allegiance, that Lincoln "ended slavery", and that FD-FucKing-R ended TGD 1.0....for 8 hours a day X 12 fucking years.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:32 | 2879260 kekekekekekeke
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Fuck that.  That's like firing dentists based on how many cavities their patients have.  Way too many other factors rather than quality of instruction.

I'm a great teacher and my kids bomb standardized tests. It's because they don't speak English 


edit: ALL my students are ELLs. And they have autism (undiagnosed because they are ELL) and they are teenage mothers and they are dirt poor and work as a dishwasher every day from 4-10

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 00:48 | 2879987 A Nanny Moose
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Perhaps Doc should have educated his students on proper oral hygeine?

The single most important element is 8hrs/day X 12 years X Content. Pewblik Skewls are there to train loyal servants who won't run from gun fire.


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 16:28 | 2885513 kekekekekekeke
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so stupid I don't even know where begin


how about what teacher has the same kid for 8 hours

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:40 | 2880206 Vlad Tepid
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I know exactly what you mean,keke.  Blaming teachers for kids failing standardized tests is like blaming Russian soliders for poor performance vs the Kaiser.  The will was there but their efforts to succeed were constantly being countermanded by the higher-up (who in the case of public education WANT the kids to fail and be drones, whereas most teachers DON'T want that outcome for their kids.

People who are not in education do not understand that teachers are REQUIRED by law to teach to the NCLB and state MANDATED standards and the standardized tests do not match with the state mandated standards.  Imagine being force to teach, say, the Revolution and the Civil War in your classroom, when the test only covers WWI and beyond.  you've "wasted" half the year and now are being held accountable by know-nothings on ZH, who get pissed off at the public school system instead of doing the ONLY sensible thing and A) paying chunks top send their kid to a private school or B) manning up and teaching their child themself at home.  

I will say this a million times until everyone gets it:  Public school is for SLAVES.  Public school is tanatamount to child abuse.  Any parent who is either A) concerned about their kid's well-being or B) concerned about their kid's future will steer them as far from PS as possible.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:34 | 2879267 Captain Kink
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I am actually pretty impressed with the curriculum my 3rd grade son brings home as homework. We are in NYC and he is at PS40.  The kid is a math whiz and seems to be flourishing.  I suspect it has a lot to do with where in the nation one attends school.  it looks as though the spending per pupil varies tremendously across the country. Even within the city, from school to school it varies a lot.  Thus the move to charter schools and vouchers.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:40 | 2879285 CoolBeans
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It also has to do with the quality of parents.

Good job!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:38 | 2879278 HardAssets
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American mandatory public  'schooling' has been doing what it is designed to do since the 1890s (and before). It manufactures obedient workers with no imagination, creativity, initiative, curiosity, or critical thinking skills. This is quite a task - - as human children are naturally very curious about the world and want to explore it and learn.

Public schooling, with their 50 minute 'classes' on unrelated and irrelevant subjects - all controlled by the sounding of a bell, is very similiar to training rats to run through a maze. Former NYC and NY state teacher of the year - - John Taylor Gatto has done considerable research and writing on this topic. As has Charlotte Iserbyt, who was a high level official working in the Dept of Education.

The rat maze training for the masses, is quite different than that given the offspring of the 'elites' - as found in private prep schools. - - Some brighter members of the serf class get a higher education - - but it is usually restricted to very narrow technical vocational training such as doctors, scientists, etc.   They are slightly more educated rats.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:24 | 2879391 samsara
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Exactamundo. I think recently the intent morphed a little. I think it now serves as base conditioning to getting accustomed to TSA like treatment going into/out of school. Getting used to Police with dogs randomly searching their belongings etc.

VERY strong mass conditioning to random searches and scans, etc. From elementary on up. Everyday, over and over constant conditioning. Don't question authority. Do what you are told, give me your papers, bend and spread'em .

BUT as you perfectly pointed out, the elite children go thru a completely different experience and conditioning. They are groomed for a different task. They are conditioned all the way up to take over control, Just like daddy.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:51 | 2879897 Arthur Borges
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I've taught in China, France and Sweden and my take is that their public education systems work the same way: manufacture standard products that will function as interchangeable human parts in the societal machinery. Yes too, the elites have better options for their kids, to which you have to add the input from parental education, life experience and personal connections.

In particular, I remember one woman who ran job-retraining courses at a government high school in France. In her second year on the job, she brought in this one team of trainers who gave personal development courses to one class of adults being trained as personal assistants. Well, she had to fire this team at the end of the course because, by then, the trainees had developed enough self-confidence to demand far better jobs than P.A.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 01:48 | 2880058 Urban Redneck
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The "elite's" program also consists of 50 minute 'classes' on unrelated and irrelevant subjects - all controlled by the sounding of a bell.

But with $35,000-$50,000 per student per year invested by parents in the process, there is a bit more demanded of both the teachers and students, and the kid whose parents dont care, and is just there for a piece if paper is just as dumb as his public school counterpart.


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:06 | 2879357 samsara
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It's not the teachers as much as the school boards, admins, and state/fed policies. Teachers are way down the chain of what's wrong...

Ask David Rockefeller, he thinks it has achieved exactly what he wanted the products to be....

Nobody is awake, intentionally.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:50 | 2879475 HardAssets
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I actually havent personally met a teacher in a public school who was aware of the wider agenda under which they worked. Many were looking for job security, vacation time, medical coverage & pension. Some really liked kids. None wanted to look deeper into the history & nature of public schooling.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:19 | 2879235 vegas
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Amerikans are credentialed, not educated. You got a degree and don't know shit. It's all about identity and ethnic politics now, with the properly credentialed entitled ones planning the next 5 year plan for the rest of us. The old America is dead; long live centrally planned Amerika.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:24 | 2879242 RiverRoad
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So now one more way in which we have become just like Europe....we have a huge population of over-educated and unemployed young people. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:34 | 2879268 Harbanger
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Have you spoken to any public school kids lately?  At a cost of 15k per student they've been over indoctrinated and under educated by a leftist, politically correct school system.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:38 | 2879277 CoolBeans
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One of the many reasons why we homeschool and I'm a former school board member.  It was during that time I saw what really goes on and the lengths of which administration and some board members will go to withhold unfortunate testing info, etc. from the public.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:46 | 2879304 Harbanger
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Thank you.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:39 | 2879435 RiverRoad
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I'm a former chairman of a board of education and you nailed that one CoolBeans.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:03 | 2879521 HardAssets
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My nephew (just graduated) and niece attended a high school that is highly ranked in our state. The boy was a B student, the girl an A student. I was appalled at the quality of their ability to concentrate, writing skills, and critical thinking skills. And this is from 'good students' in a 'good school' !  (I'd hate to see what bad students from bad schools turn out.) - - Of course, the high school campus has many beautiful buildings on which millions of taxpayer dollars were spent. They have quite the athletic and extracirricular activities programs too. They produce clueless graduates who cannot think critically - other than that, theyve had a fine 'education'.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:01 | 2879347 samsara
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Yes, and the vast majority of those overeducated kids still listen to CNNNBCFAUX news and don't have the critical thinking skills enough to know they are being lied to by the 5-9 Corporately owned media giants, and still think they have rights to a trial......

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:05 | 2880184 awakening
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Australia is no different either in my experience; I learned more about the world (especially economics) through the internet and my own persuits (which eventually lead me to ZH) than I did in my entire period of exposure to public education, by the end of which I was most pleased to see the end of it. I'm no genius, but certainly had much more potential than I have now, that in another world not manipulated to the whims of a few may have been better realised (and many, many others also that are too blind to see this humbling truth applies to them equally, if only my mention of that is to show this is not all about me in any interpretation of this post).

That comment elsewhere on this ZH article, about students being rats lead through a maze to the ringing of a bell, certainly rings true also IMO.

Before I forget; I too was fed the 'world is your oyster' line and my reply to this has not changed with age: "bulls***".

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:27 | 2879247 kito
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tyler, can you put up a graph showing the decline in u.s. educational rankings over the past decades juxtaposed with one showing the spending increase???..............something i can pass along to all of the fools who insist the populace should be funding the u.s. dept of education.............

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:36 | 2879272 CoolBeans
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Yep, that's eye-opening data and very sad.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:57 | 2879333 samsara
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How about things like, we graduated something like 50,000 engineers, China- 500,000 and india 300,000.

Don't know the exact numbers but the ratio is something like that....

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 03:24 | 2880164 Bananamerican
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wow. that's like 800,000 crackerjack 3rd world engineers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:57 | 2879493 epwpixieq-1
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I am sure you will appreciate the educational info:

and, generally, the BIGGER picture too:


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:27 | 2879250 whoopsing
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We have beaten down the idustrial arts and trades, we have directed our kids to a dead-end

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:27 | 2879252 killallthefiat
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Thank goodness we are all more edumacated

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:36 | 2879274 TulsaTime
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Home school kids were the most pathetic and maladjusted creatures we ever saw growing up.  They were little marionetes for every prejudice and obsession of their parents. 

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:55 | 2879326 Totentänzerlied
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Public school kids were the most pathetic and maladjusted creatures we ever saw growing up.  They were little marionetes [sic] for every prejudice and obsession of their state-appointed and approved curriculum designers.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:32 | 2879412 samsara
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++ You should also have said, "There, I fixed it for ya" at the end.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:00 | 2879341 dwdollar
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Funny you should use the term "maladjusted"... That's basically an admission the state is trying to "adjust" kids instead of educate them.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:43 | 2879688 toomanyfakecons...
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Exactly... adjust and condition them for a life of living paycheck to paycheck, answering to the authorities, following the rules, and so forth.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:16 | 2879576 HardAssets
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Hmmm . . . don't happen to be in public 'education' are you ?

Thats an old charge, and I've heard many homeschooled students and parents refute it. They use creative methods to help their kids socialize . . . and meet a wider group of other people than found in the artificial environment of classrooms. The world isn't made up of a group of kids and one adult overseeing them.

Of course, you may have observed specific instances where the parents of homeschool kids didn't guide their kids wisely.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:50 | 2880210 Vlad Tepid
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Whoever he is, he obviously has never met homeschooled kids.  EVER.  They are the exact opposite.  Don't know why public school teachers occasionally get ruffled when people bring up homeschooling.  It's not like they're exactly "losing clientel."

Doubtful he's in education....probably just one of your run of the mill jackasses.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:37 | 2879276 potlatch
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higher education and primary/secondary is a form of capital investment, and mighty things it has accomplished over the past 200 years.  It has devised machines, discovered secrets of the universe, that prior to this Great Era, could never have been dreamed.


We are now done, however, most everything we need built and discovered is gtg.  And so the entire structure is now unnecessary.


It's why we give all the kids A's and B's.  C's if they never do any of the assignments.


It does not matter.  until we can figure out why being educated is good in itself, we are fucked, because there is no steady market demand for anything above bare literacy.


Welcome to the future, workers.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:04 | 2879352 TulsaTime
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you said that right, nobody sees any return on it now, they'd rather financialize the process with non dischargable loans

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 20:48 | 2879291 dwdollar
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People with a bachelor's degree make a median of 47k???


That was a gut splitter. Please tell another Uncle Scam...

No doubt they only count the fully employed and probably drop those well below 47k for statistical anomalies.


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 21:39 | 2879434 spanish inquisition
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I am thinking the guys doing the graft in LA schools are making out well.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:11 | 2879539 dolph9
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I have mixed feelings in the whole debate about the values of education and teachers.

On the one hand, I think it's exceptionally misguided to heap blame on teachers for anything.  Most are lower to middle class Americans who are just struggling to do the right thing, and get by, like any of us.  And the decline of the family and the ills of poverty and the dysfunction of the ghettos, barrios, and trailer parks somehow gets blamed on them.


On the other hand, it's incredibly misguided to go into teaching to begin with!  It's like walking into the ghetto in the middle of the night and pleading ignorance when you end up robbed, or handing your money to a pyramid scheme and then wondering where it all went.  


No sane or moneyed person in America today would voluntarily become a public school teacher.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:17 | 2879585 ShrNfr
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There are some very good teachers. There are also ones that are truly awful. It is long since past the time when we reward the good ones and tell the awful ones to find another career. I have had a couple of kids ruined by some of the awful ones. The worst "teacher" was a grade school principal who thought his job was defending the lousy teachers and not understanding the raw deal they were giving the students. You try to make it up outside of school, but they get the prime time with them 5 days a week.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:35 | 2879627 HardAssets
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See the references above, particularly those related to former NYC & NY state Teacher of the Year (several times)  John Taylor Gatto

Public schools suck for a reason. Theyre designed to do so.  Theyre designed to dumb people down. They do what they were meant to do.

Few teachers are aware of this . . . or what guides the curriculum they are forced to 'teach'. Billlions of dollars and years of effort have been expended . . . and it only gets worse. Its not designed to get better.

The information is out there. If someone is truly an 'educator' (and not just marking time for your pension) investigate it. Your responsibility is to the kids  . . . to stop harming them by continuing to do what youve been doing. Dumbing them down and making them mindless drones. Only to try to wash your hands of it by laying it on 'kids family life' and 'society today'. You play a major part in it all too.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 04:54 | 2880212 Vlad Tepid
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YOu are right that very few teachers are aware of this.  THey know something is up and something is working against their interests (to teach the kids) but almost none can put their finger on it.  Most are very easily led off the scent by talk of "Republicans" or occasionally "Democrats," and as was pointed out, most teachers were (are) C students.  Nice, conscientious people, but C students.  


Thu, 10/11/2012 - 22:57 | 2879746 toomanyfakecons...
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Just another distraction from Benghazigate and impeachment.

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 23:36 | 2879860 stairmaster
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So there seems to be one important catigory missing (at least).  Where's the break out of how much is spent on administration?  I remember reading a decade ago that there are more administrators in the New York City school system then all of Europe.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 01:30 | 2880057 Middle_Finger_Market
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There is no chart that compares the education of an American vs the rest of the world. The number of educated may have increased since 1970 but the standard they recieved decreased. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 03:43 | 2880174 forrestdweller
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more and more people who are highly educated, but still quite dumb.

all because education has become a commercial product.

highly educated people are being produced with the aim of creating a lot of profit,

which of course means that the quality of the product does not matter at all.

more and more highly educated very dumb people.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 06:00 | 2880556 Melody7773
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I can't stop reminding people about such a great example as Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc. People without education became succesful and rich for just being talented, smart and brave enough to do what they wanted to do. They did not need any kind of degree to produce their amazing products. But today it is compeletey different : a guy goes to the college, loan money and graduate with a huge debt, fails to make payments becuase of many reson he might not be responsible for and then he find

same day payday loans online , so what is next? Debt-> debt-> neverending debt and all this for what?

Education today is totaly a commerce thing

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:32 | 2883418 Ryuukai
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"Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, " Zucherberg, Stallman and other tech gurus ALL had education. Gates and Stallman went to MIT. Zucherberg was in Harvard. Wozniak (the real creator of Apple computers) went to Berkeley
They ALL went to college.

Those who left college, was only because they had were smart enough and had already learned enough, and/or needed time to launch their projects

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:33 | 2883425 Ryuukai
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I suggest you apply to Google, Microsoft, Apple, Intel, IBM or other tech giant without a degree.

They will laugh in your face

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:28 | 2883410 Ryuukai
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"only 7% of <34-year-olds had gone to college in 1970, as opposed to 18.9% currently!"

So more college grads are bad!? Only the rich should go to college is that it?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:55 | 3102136 ChacoFunFact
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Anybody with school age children should know about the movement in Georgia to stop the Common-Core movement.  This is a movement also sweeping through the nation.  Essentially the common core will strip states of their constitutional authority to control curricula and yeild it to the federal government.


At this point it is clear (to me) the assualt on America's sovereignty is multifaceted.

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