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From Presidential Election To Popular Insurrection In One Easy Step: Art Cashin Explains

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While last night's VeeP debate was all feces and frolics, UBS' Art Cashin and his 'Friends of Fermentation' recently drifted onto the topic of the Presidential Election - and the conversation was not what he calls "reassuring" as they move from margins of victory to result-challenges and banana-republic like street demonstrations and riots.


Via Art Cashin, UBS: Could This Be A "Dangerous" Election?

The Friends of Fermentation drifted onto the Presidential Election at a recent non-plenary session. The conversation was not what you might call "reassuring".


The strong consensus was that whoever wins the election, it would be best if they won by a significant margin. The feeling was that the nation is so tightly and tensely divided that a close election could well inspire challenges to its validity.


Those challenges might take the form of an almost endless series of court cases like Florida in 2000. That could delay swearing in the President or some Senators or Congressmen.


But, the challenges might not stop there. The FoF discussion worried that the challenges might spill out into the streets, perhaps starting as demonstrations and quickly devolving into riot-like occasions.


Could we be seeing the end of the American tradition of the orderly transfer of power? Could we be slipping into banana republic mode?


The heart of this discussion is the acrimonious tone that has evolved and grown in our political exchanges. All the "us and them" and class warfare posturing sets a dangerous backdrop to a close election.


Even the polls, which have been basically frozen for months, suggest a cement-like partisanship in the land.


What would happen if this election wound up back in the Supreme Court?


I'll try to get the FoF to talk about something less partisan….maybe the World Series.


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Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:15 | 2881955 Colombian Gringo
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Republicans and Democrats, choosing between them is like choosing Pepsi or Coke, essentially the same thing.  Both parties are converging grindstones operated by the globalists, crushing our future hopes and freedoms, while banksters drink our financial blood.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:15 | 2881986 pods
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Yeah, but it's got electrolytes!


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:20 | 2882003 Mad Max
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Brawndo - the Thirst Mutilator!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:40 | 2882011 NotApplicable
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Wow, Cashin has certainly strayed from his area of credibility with this prediction. Or are him and his friends spinning the next meme?

The idea that the (thankfully) apathetic electorate is going to turn into Bush vs. Gore 2.0 couldn't be further from the mark, IMO. I've never seen so little interest in the selection by the general public in all of my life. In fact, I see yards FULL of signs for every party candidate EXCEPT for the presidential race.

Methinks Cashin is either clueless or creating a narrative. Time will tell which.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:53 | 2882126 Zadok
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Communicating with the 'arrangers', you know, the ones who arrange for the expected outcome.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:01 | 2882154 NotApplicable
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I just find it very interesting that this "expected outcome" emerged from the media when it's nowhere near the outcome I expect based on personal observations.

Add to that the fact that I see NO visible supporters of either candidate locally... well, the idea just gets weird, fast.

Somebody is obviously promoting this meme.

Directed History, FTW?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:40 | 2882242 Precious
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Ever since Carter, the DNC machine has been in love with lawyer candidates.  It's a fact.

It also explains why USA is so deep in shit, and can't manufacture a light bulb anymore.

The citizendum is trained by the union Educrats to bend over and grab the ankles when lawyers approach.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:41 | 2882280 NotApplicable
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I just walked around downtown near the county courthouse/city hall. Of the roughly 100 vehicles I looked at, I saw ONE Romney sticker, and NO Obama stickers.

Did I mention I was in the political part of town?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:46 | 2882483 graneros
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People don't want their property vandalized so no stickers and few yard signs.  I've noticed a few residences are pulling their yard signs in at sundown. We have simply become an uncivilized nation.  Thank you public education and leftie media.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:01 | 2882754 Bad Attitude
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Concern over vandalism is the reason I don't have a candidate bumpersticker on my vehicle. One side of the poltical spectrum, while espousing freedom of speech for everyone, in practice only embraces freedom of speech when it agrees with their ideology.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:10 | 2882781 akak
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And the other side of the (so-called) "spectrum" fully supports free speech --- as long as said speech is not "in support of terrorism" or "unpatriotic", with the definition of what constitutes "support of terrorism" growing daily, and the definition of "unpatriotic" being "anything which is in opposition to the corrupt and failing military-industrial-financial status-quo".

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:23 | 2882865 FoxMulder
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Go away, I'm batin'.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:42 | 2882670 Helix6
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Quelle surprise!  Would you want your car sporting advertising for either of these tools?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:46 | 2882963 Ident 7777 economy
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For poor choice of wording ..

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:22 | 2883087 Panafrican Funk...
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You have a good point, but what I'm thinking he's thinking here is probably accurate, the way this is playing out, Romney will likely win the popular vote, and Obama will likely win the electoral vote.  I'm guessing you're probably north of the Mason-Dixon, because south of it, there is a significant minority of white people that may view this as a trigger for secession.  I wish I was joking.  

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 12:42 | 2885112 RafterManFMJ
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You know, I've read that the majority of people in China's 'parliment' or whatever you call it are engineers by trade.  In America, the profession most serving in Congress list, is 'lawyer.'

In China, no hand out for you! Work, or farm. In America, 53% are receiving some benefit that is either stolen from another, borrowed from China, or printed.

But hey, look over there!! We've got a shiny flattop chock full of sleek planes!! Well, gotta go, I've got to strap on my TSA shock bracelet and take a refreshing radiation shower...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 08:28 | 2886685 Zadok
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Of course it is directed N/A. I thought I was being overt, but I guess I was too general in my phrasing, sorry. I'll try to do better next time.

Nothing is happenstance, everything is directed! Without a doubt. Here's to wishing you the best, we are all going to need some help soon.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:07 | 2882170 drink or die
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I think there is a lot of apathy towards Romney (I've seen a total of about 2 Romney signs/bumper stickers), so if he loses it won't be a big deal.  If Obama loses by a tiny margin, I could see possible problems happening due to the race-baiting media.  Remember all the race-based beatings after the Trayvon Martin thing?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:48 | 2882971 Ident 7777 economy
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... reading too much damn MSM press ...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:51 | 2882117 Real Estate Geek
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+1 for the Idiocracy reference!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:49 | 2882501 graneros
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What a prophetic movie.  When I have to go to town and engage with others I am constantly reminded of Idiocracy.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:26 | 2882025 pupton
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But, but...all my friends tell me a vote for lemonade is a vote for Pepsi...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:42 | 2882077 ParkAveFlasher
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That lemonade is not licensed.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:47 | 2882102 pupton
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I hear the licences cost about $500Million, and are awarded exclusively by Coke and Pepsi.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:53 | 2882127 JohnG
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You didn't make that lemonade.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:18 | 2882200 SubjectivObject
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Let alone a permit to sell it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:05 | 2883046 James-Morrison
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I think you meant Kool-Aid.

Lemonade has too much nutritional value to be included with Coke and Pepsi.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:50 | 2882113 Coast Watcher
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At the risk of repeating myself: The American two-party system gives us one more choice than North Korea, with about as much difference. But I repeat myself ...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:51 | 2882987 Ident 7777 economy
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Politically illiterate.


To the twentieth power.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:11 | 2881965 DoChenRollingBearing
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Guns and ammo!  Gold and silver!  Plan B!

I hope it will not get to that.  Maybe we'll be OK.  Maybe not.


Smart people may want to think harder about Plan B...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:49 | 2882110 gaoptimize
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Plan B?  Pffft.  Any form of birth control will be hard to find and I'll be finally able to have the big family I've always wanted.  I'm going tribal.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:18 | 2882203 U4 eee aaa
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Just carry your cell phone in your underwear.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:36 | 2882446 Go Tribe
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All that ammo and nowhere to go.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:04 | 2882554 Keyser
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Fuck guns and ammo. I'm a lover, not a figther, so it's off the southeast asia for me. tata!!!


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:10 | 2881966 drink or die
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Long popcorn and buckshot.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:44 | 2883150 zapdude
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...and perhaps a few slugs and some rum in the event the zombie apocolypse shows up on your doorstep.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:11 | 2881973 not fat not stupid
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The idiots who want a race war arent smart enough to understand they'll lose it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:29 | 2882035 pupton
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The people who want a race war have no plans to do the actual fighting themselves.  They just need to divide and (re)conquer the general populace. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:44 | 2882087 NotApplicable
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Which part of "Let's you and him fight!" don't you understand?

They don't lose wars, but rather, use them to obtain more power (they win) in order to pretend to combat them.

Divide, Conquer, Rinse, Repeat. Ad Infinitum.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:18 | 2882201 Tijuana Donkey Show
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The race war will be fought with food, and the races are rich vs. poor. The only color that matters is green...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:26 | 2882412 AnAnonymous
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The colour of the Marines...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:41 | 2882667 akak
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Brown is the color of roadside Chinese Shitizenism, so ....

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:18 | 2882833 Umh
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That's face paint stupid!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:48 | 2883168 zapdude
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Soylent Green!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:13 | 2881976 walcott
Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:13 | 2881977 LongSoupLine
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perhaps starting as demonstrations and quickly devolving into riot-like occasions.


"One can only hope..." - Jefferson, from his grave

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:14 | 2881981 q99x2
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The feeling was that the nation is so tightly and tensely divided that a close election could well inspire challenges to its validity.

What nation. The nation only exists if there is a constitution that defines what it is. Bush and Obama got rid of the constitution. There is no nation now. Nothing is divided. It is a state of chaos ready to explode.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:23 | 2882014 Bananamerican
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what nation?

we are a motley collection of disparate, (diverse™) dispersed, ethnic/racial enclaves, just trying to make or "get" a buck.

There is no center to this country anymore.

When was the last time you hung out with your Hmong, Cambodian, Nigerian, Mexican, Chinese, Guatemalan, Phillipino, neighbors and talked about the National dilemna?

We are not divided so much as diluted

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:31 | 2882040 RSloane
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Last night.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:43 | 2882080 Dr. Engali
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 +1 :)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:01 | 2882093 Bananamerican
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and the both of you are going out marching today right?

And what about your Hmong, Cambodian, Nigerian, Mexican, Chinese, Guatemalan, Phillipino neighbors? Are you or are they prejudiced?

I'm in California and speak to people from other groups as well, but they and I remain, "other"...

Go to Costco on a saturday in SoCal and you'll see a United Nations of Americans all studiously avoiding eye contact...

You miss the larger point I made....

Amerika has no cultural center anymore...

it is merely a place to make money in your own "little" version of amerika.

We are more easily "led" this way. There is no common outrage over deviation from "traditional" American socio-political "norms". Instead we've flooded the country with People more familiar with 3rd world socio-political norms, and so more open, or acclimated, or indifferent, to their emergence here.

This is my "sense" of the country....that although lip service is still paid to the 20th century notions of America,.......America in the 21st century is "Blade Runner"

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:18 | 2882382 Uncle Remus
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"He say you under arrest..."

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:29 | 2882426 AnAnonymous
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Where they go from does not matter. Whether they are 'american' or not matters. If they start to hop borders and settle illegally, that is a good sign, they are at least good 'american' material if they are not already 'american'...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:18 | 2882835 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous babbled:

Where they go from does not matter. Whether they are 'american' or not matters. If they start to hop borders and settle illegally, that is a good sign, they are at least good 'american' material if they are not already 'american'...

Stone the crows! Did your mom huff gasoline while she was pregnant with you?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:29 | 2882635 morpheus000
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Thats cause theyre cheap labour and they know it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:29 | 2882636 morpheus000
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Thats cause theyre cheap labour and they know it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:59 | 2882145 catacl1sm
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Do hookers count?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:14 | 2881982 pods
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The riots will commence when the millions of SNAP cards say "declined."

Until then, the Paper Depression will continue unabated.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:08 | 2882176 malikai
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Until then, the Paper Depression will continue unabated.

..Or until morale improves.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:06 | 2882357 OneTinSoldier66
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As Detlev S. Schlichter would say...


Meanwhile, the debasement of paper money continues.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:19 | 2882612 Renewable Life
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Bingo, the reason there weren't riots and widespread violence during the first great depression, was no one knew what the fuck a SNAP card or a food stamp was!!! We were also a strong, self suffient, hardy stock of people then too, unlike today!! Between SS, Medicare, and food stamps/welfare we have 100 million people who are dependent on some sort of assistance!! If the banksters and global elite, don't get this fiat machine juiced back up soon, I DO think riots and violence are very possible, if the goodies stop coming!!!!

Millions of people with weapons, who have become comfortable just opening up the check or swiping the card every month, AND buying almost anything they want from fast food to groceries to gas on that card, are going to become extremely dangerous down the road!!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:16 | 2881985 Cognitive Dissonance
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"The strong consensus was that whoever wins the election, it would be best if they won by a significant margin. The feeling was that the nation is so tightly and tensely divided that a close election could well inspire challenges to its validity."

Mission Accomplished! This is exactly what's wanted, division among the citizen slaves so that we fight among ourselves over less and less pie.

This isn't an accident; this is "on" accident.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:33 | 2882049 NotApplicable
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Now, do you think Art is a believer, or a deceiver?

(I see I've already gotten 3 down-votes above merely for raising the question.)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:42 | 2882076 Dr. Engali
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I think Art is like a lot of us. He has played in the game for a long time only to find out the game isn't the same game we thought it was. We woke up to the illusion....I see him no differently than I see many of the people who post here.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:49 | 2882107 NotApplicable
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Overall that's my opinion of him. I just find this article to be quite a bit removed from reality (unless it's a future planned one). To me, it's as disingenuous as the hanging chad riots orchestrated by DC operatives in 2000.

Then again, I'm nowhere near "The Street," so maybe people there are more influenced by the facade?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:02 | 2882133 Cognitive Dissonance
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Art's financial and business station in life, along with some genuine humility, affords him the luxury of speaking his mind.......but only up to a point. He can afford to be a skeptic, to call balls and strikes more "fairly", and still be considered an asset to those around him. But Art knows there is a very clear line he cannot cross. He will question the effects of the system and even some moving components of the system. But he will never really question the system itself.

Make no mistake about it, Art knows full well where his bread is buttered and that he is as dependent upon the system (and maybe even a bit more) as you and I. I feel that ultimately he believes in "the system" and takes the attitude that if only they could fix some serious structural issues, that fundamentally the system is sound and as fair as it can get.

I disagree.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:09 | 2882177 NotApplicable
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I asked a question. Do you think he really believes what he wrote in that "the people will rise up," or does he believe it because "it's inevitable, because this meme is firmly in our minds." Or, does he believe it because that's the script?

Memes are interesting methods of idea dissemination. And like it or not, we're all the vectors which they rely upon for life, whether we're witting agents, or merely useful idiots.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:29 | 2882235 Cognitive Dissonance
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First, I disagreed with the world view I had constructed for Art. I was speculating on Art's mindset, then saying that I disagreed with it.

Second, the question you asked me was "Now, do you think Art is a believer, or a deceiver?" I took that as a larger world view question, and not to his specific letter.

I think Art has real worries about political unrest. He (as well as I) lived through the 60's and 70's and so has seen social unrest. He is aware of the present day unbridled corruption and understands that it must be cleaned up. And that left to its own devices the system won't cleanse itself, thus social unrest might erupt.

I guess that makes him a believer in his letter.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:45 | 2882094 Dr. Engali
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Bush/Gore was just the trial run. That election destroyed a lot of faith in the institutions of this country....all part of the plan.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:33 | 2882251 pazmaker
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Yep...or as my Dad use to say  "Oops you did that accidently on purpose"

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:41 | 2882278 Cognitive Dissonance
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Our daughter taught me about "on accident". Mrs Cog was (as usual) light years ahead of me.

The terminology was completely foreign to me, but instantly recognizable when I heard it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:17 | 2881989 hidingfromhelis
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Could we be seeing the end of the American tradition of the orderly transfer of power?

It's more of a handoff, really.  The word transfer implies that a different team is taking posession of the ball.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:17 | 2881990 walcott
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 "I haven't seen any method at all sir"

Apocalypse Now (6/8) Movie CLIP - Colonel Kurtz (1979) HD

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:17 | 2881991 buzzardsluck
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Who wouldn't challenge the validity of any outcome that used electronic voting machines.  Not that we wouldn't be totally fucked if people still used paper.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:18 | 2881996 Sixdeuce062
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remember stock up on food water and precious metals like gold, silver, lead, and brass.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:25 | 2882021 GubbermintWorker
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Don't neglect a good store of lead and brass delivery systems.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:14 | 2882183 CrashisOptimistic
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This is the same mistake most preppers make.

The disaster unfolding is FOREVER.  Stocking up to last even a year is not going to do anything but make starvation or dying of thirst last longer.

The only thing you should stock up on is walking shoes, and enormous planning on how you will WALK to a place where you can survive indefinitely.  For 99.9% of everyone reading this, that won't be where you currently live.

As for guns, have a small one to help you shoot your way out of a situation.  Having lots of guns that you think will defend your stash against 50,000 parents standing outside your door with hungry children at their side is just silly.  You'll be instantly transformed into the evil hoarder making children starve.

Get the hell out of the situation.  Don't be surrounded by 50,000 waiting for you to go to sleep.

Oh, and one last thing.  Anyone who introduces the word "zombie" into the discussion has no chance to survive.  They do not take the situation seriously and so they'll be the first to starve.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:20 | 2882392 Uncle Remus
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Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:37 | 2882454 CrashisOptimistic
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Because it will be so much fun to rake up all the limbs of the children you just killed for burial?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:45 | 2882484 Uncle Remus
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Never bring children to a gun fight.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:50 | 2882506 pods
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I have to agree with you on this one Crash. It will not be pillaging hordes knocking in your doors. It will be neighbors, friends, family who are begging you for help.

A rampaging mob is easy compared to your neighbor asking for food not for him, but his starving child.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:57 | 2882531 Uncle Remus
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Then neither of you have done your job, which is to help your neighors NOT be in that situation. That "think of the children" bullshit doesn't work on me, and yes, I have children of my own. They are my problem, not yours or my neighbors.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:11 | 2882582 pods
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There is a reason that there is the saying "You can lead a horse to water......"

I was merely trying to point out that what you prepare for is NOT what you will encounter.  That is the biggest problem with preparing.  You will prepare for something that won't happen.

I am glad that you have confidence in making the decision to turn someone away to save you and yours.

To be honest, I do not have that confidence.  I will not let my kids starve, but will give away some of mine for another's child to eat.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:13 | 2883224 Parrotile
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As I've pointed out before - if you want to thrive long term, plan to be able to get out of the US Mainland if the need arises. Instead of "Gold Guns 'n ' Ammo" try thinking along the lines of navigation skills (without GPS or electronics), marketable skills in a very different economy (i.e. "handyman" abilities, and maybe a grasp of advanced first aid techniques??); also how about learning to use a bow & arrow - the ultimate stealth, recyclable ammo weapon, with a history dating centuries?

The World as we know it was discovered by Sailors. Think along these lines. Even a small craft can support a family for years, and anything over 40' has as much interior usable space as most apartments. Essential yacht repair is not particularly skilled (I'm not referring to "repair to original aesthetic standard", more "repair to functionality") and basic sailing techniques are not difficult to master.

Now's the time to get the skills. Now's the time to buy the books. Now's the time to think well outside the box. If you think and do what "everyone else" is doing, your outcomes will be the same as those of "everyone else".

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:20 | 2881997 Dr. Engali
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This was the same concern I expressed on a fiscal cliff article posted a few days back. The pundits are talking about how it will be resolved with whoever the next president is. But the one outcome I didn't see addressed is a challenged election. What if Romney wins by a narrow margin like Bush, or wins the electorial and not the popular vote( I don't want to get into the recount debate). My point was that would be the catalyst to rip this country apart INMHO.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:38 | 2882066 RSloane
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My take on it is its winter. Maybe in some of the more temperate climate states there would be huffies on the streets. Its football season, its cold, and Americans don't like to be chilly when they riot.

There has been some talk around here that blacks in Baltimore would riot if Obama is not re-elected. Considering that most of the population of Baltimore would get winded and collapse, let alone lost, if they had to walk a small city block at a brisk pace, I'm not too concerned.

I think Cashin is writing his own narrative as one other poster suggested. Its more of the 'this election has consequences!!' when in fact there is no difference between Romney and Obama.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:52 | 2882124 Dr. Engali
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I agree that there isn't a bit of difference ,but I agree with Art on this one. My thoughts are that Bush/Gore election was all part of the plan for Americans to lose faith in the instutions of this country. What better way to start a race war and bring the power of the police state down on the country than to have it happen again? TPTB need the sheeple to lose complete faith in the institutions so they can usher in the my tinfoil hat crack pot opinion.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:43 | 2882083 dwdollar
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"My point was that would be the catalyst to rip this country apart INMHO."

Let's hope. It's time for members of this union to go their separate ways.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:55 | 2882131 NotApplicable
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That's not how it will work. Decentralized nations, once destroyed, will give way to centralized global internationalism.

US cities (and states), for example are already being undermined by direct federal initiative$ designed to make debt enslavement to the Fed a foregone conclusion. Once they have no power to resist ("You don't want me to make you start paying interest on all of that unemployment money I loaned you, do you? Or how about the principal?")

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:22 | 2883385 Panafrican Funk...
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"What if Romney wins by a narrow margin like Bush, or wins the electorial and not the popular vote( I don't want to get into the recount debate)."

Those of us who live south of the Mason-Dixon are well aware that if Romney loses a close one, or wins the popular but not the electoral vote (which, if the election was held today, would be the case), "the South shall rise again", and not in a half-assed manner.  Personally, I don't give a shit which puppet wins, but there are a crapload of people down here that super duper care, and would not take this lying down.  

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:18 | 2881998 lolmao500
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Latest polls...

Romney leading in Florida 51-47.

Romney leading Ohio : 50-49.

Romney leading Colorado : 52-48.

Obama leading Nevada 50-49.

Michigan is 50-50.

Obama needs to pull a miracle out of his ass or it's over and his ego won't take it.

/not that any of that matters anyway

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:28 | 2882028 NotApplicable
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Those things are every bit as manipulated as any other political number.

This is all about making the race interesting, otherwise one's enlightened apathy creates an awareness of how it really matters not one bit which puppet is enthroned.

Remember, they don't sell the steak, but the sizzle.

Case in point: During the primary season, we got called multiple times daily for our opinion. All it took was to utter the name "Ron Paul" and they all suddenly stopped.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:14 | 2882188 FMR Bankster
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This comment is right on. The media wants a news story. I was looking at the latest Pew national poll earlier this week. Now has Romney up by 4%. Last month they had Obama up by 7%. Big move, right? Wrong. Last month they had 9% more Democrats than Republicans in their poll and this month it's 4% more Republicans than Democrats. If you want different poll results just change who you poll. Inside the details of all these polls are certain basic facts. 95% of Dems vote for Obama, 95% of Rep vote for Romney, and Independents are giving slightly more support to Romney. So it's all down to who's really interested in voting. In 2008, it was Democrats, in 2010 Republicans and my view is Dems are uninterested and discouraged and Reps can't wait to get to the polls and vote out Obama. Romney 52%, Obama 47%.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:04 | 2882351 toady
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I've been getting more and more robo poll calls here in R country (AZ)

Usually if I press the wrong button (indicating I would vote for a D) the call would drop. Yesterday I pressed all D's and it walked all the way through.

It's getting crazy out there!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:41 | 2882944 Uncle Remus
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I'm guessing you're not in Flaghole.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:22 | 2883086 toady
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Nope. I'm right up the street from the Mormon temple in Mesa.

I usually get a bunch of 'how dare you skew an official poll by arbitrarily punching in R's & D's', but not today....

Another foiled trolling attempt!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:59 | 2883188 Uncle Remus
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Yeah, that's R country. Tempe, not so much.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:06 | 2883047 DriveByLurker
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Those appear to be polls that only have the two Harvard grads with foreign born dads (Obama and Romney) on them.  If you add Gary Johnson in the polls - like the actual ballot - you get different results...and they don't look good for Mitt



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:21 | 2882005 walcott
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The Horror - Apocalypse Now (8/8) Movie CLIP (1979) HD

George Stephen Morrison (January 7, 1919 – November 17, 2008) was a Rear Admiral and naval aviator in the United States Navy. Morrison was commander of the U.S. naval forces in the Gulf of Tonkin during the Gulf of Tonkin Incident of August 1964, which set off what we think of as the Vietnam War. He was the father of Jim Morrison, the lead singer of the rock band The Doors.

Apocalypse Now Intro (The Doors - The End)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:39 | 2882068 pupton
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Holy Shit Walcott!  Awesome piece of trivia (or is it more than mere trivia)  I had never heard that before, but I did hear that the "incident" in question was a complete load of BS and a poorly executed false flag operation.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:46 | 2882099 Treason Season
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Dave McGowan Center for an Informed America   

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:16 | 2882375 Bicycle Repairman
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There's lots more than Admiral Morrison's son in Laurel Canyon.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:48 | 2882493 Uncle Remus
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And how many went "off the reservation"?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:21 | 2882006 lolmao500
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What would happen if this election wound up back in the Supreme Court?

Well Kagan and Sotomayor are gonna recluse themselves... riiiiiiiiiiiiight??

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:23 | 2882017 gaoptimize
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Long NYSE:RGR  Those who think this is only an Obama win play are sorely mistaken.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:31 | 2882038 sdmjake
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Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:24 | 2882018 pupton
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It might be time to get a rig for the whole family. I got one for me a few months ago...just in case.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:30 | 2882034 Dr. Engali
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You're going to need that against hollow points. But what are you going to do about the sniper rounds?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:37 | 2882059 sdmjake
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Buy the extra Rifle plates to put in the kevlar vest.... they'll stop an armor piercing round.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:49 | 2882498 Uncle Remus
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Head. Shot.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:52 | 2883315 Nadaclue
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Headshoooot (in deep voice, spoken slowly)

Reminds me of my gamer phase. Then I took that fuckin Red pill, dammit.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:59 | 2883325 Parrotile
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The problem will not be so much penetration risk, but kinetic energy. Having been "accidentally" shot in the past at moderate range (25m) with a single 0.22 round (fortunately no penetration!), the distributed impact was significant and painful.

The propellant charge for a 0.40 round is VERY significantly greater than that of a 0.22 round; the projectile KE will be correspondingly much, much greater, and even with good penetration resistant armour, a direct impact is going to HURT, especially if fired at reasonably close range (<100m or so)

How many direct impacts (non-penetrating) will you be able to tolerate and still remain functional / effective?

How many direct impacts can your armour system (which includes fastenings / support infrastructure) tolerate before significant degradation?

How many people will be shooting at you, all with a view to killing you??

Have you ANY IDEA of the KE of a modern AP round?? Your "Rifle plates" may just cope with a SINGLE 0.30 sniper round but I'd not be betting my life on their being able to provide any protection against multiple AP impacts . . . . .

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:37 | 2882062 gaoptimize
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Choose your bugout location well.  Once you hear those rounds are being used on your fellow Americans, you had better be there already. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:24 | 2882174 Real Estate Geek
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The concept of a bugout location assumes freedom of movement.  It's easy to say you'll hoof it off road if your movement is restricted . . . but that's unrealistic unless one has actually done a dry run by strapping on a BOB and schlepping it to the bugout location.

Unless everything goes perfectly, people who think they are bugging out may well end up as refugees, with an increased risk of being herded into a FEMA camp. 

EDITED TO ADD:  (I fully agree with your last sentence--didn't see it when I started writing this.)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:25 | 2882223 Dr. Engali
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Good post regardless of the fact you had to edit it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 20:16 | 2883530 toomanyfakecons...
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The most powerful modern military ever to roam a battlefield encountered unsustainable losses against ill-armed partisans in Warsaw, Crete, and Yugoslava. Hitler did not make a move on Switzerland for the duration of the war for a reason. Good luck dislodging millions of crazy, armed Americans, veterans, and patriots.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 02:53 | 2884081 Parrotile
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You will probably find that Chemical and / or Biological weapons "will do the job just fine". Maybe add in a low-level E-weapon to destroy the residual communications capacity of what will inevitably be a bit of a "Rag-Tag Army" and that will be that.

Never forget that, on the basis of observed actions leading up to, and subsequent to, 2008, "the Powers that Be" have demonstrated scant (if any) concern for the impoverishment of the former Productive Classes. Past actions have demonstrated that there are many of the rich and powerful who regard the hoi polloi as "a problem to be got rid of by the most convenient means".

With that ingrained "We are the Superior Race" mindset, then History has shown us that anything is possible, and the arsenals available to the well connected are lightyears ahead of those employed in WW2, particularly in respect of man-portable antipersonnel and anti - asset weapon systems.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:27 | 2882029 wonderatitall
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well i hope so. the burning of the axis of evil-dc,ny and chicago and gay meltdown of sanfran is the only thing that keeps me going. lBURN BABY BURN...LET FREEDOM RING AND BURN

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:35 | 2882443 Uncle Remus
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Sat, 10/13/2012 - 02:58 | 2884088 Parrotile
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Not necessary; the Davy Crockett "Man Launched" tactical nuke would do a fine job (or so the DOD maintained!) Wonder why they were withdrawn then . . . . . .

Also I'm sure there was an evaluation somewhere (USAF??) of the Genie 1kt AAM as a potential low-yield ASM? Anyone remember this? Would have been late 1960's - very early 1970's.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:29 | 2882033 zilverreiger
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Game is up bitchez america is going down, and will reap what it has sown.

5 meter poop over the entire continent.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:30 | 2882037 Inthemix96
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Its about time that the governments feared the people as they should.  Fuck the NDAA, the TSA, the NSA, and all the other three letter symbolistic shit we have to suffer.

Its about time the likes of barry sotero and mittens felt the full wrath of the fuckers they are sent to represent, not take the fucking piss out of.  Its about time these no-necks feared what the population will do to them when we do not agree with with bollocks like the NDAA.

ITS ABOUT TIME FOR NO MORE GOVERNMENT. Its time to lay this filthy whore into the grave it so richly deserves.

Mark my words, the government in time, will come to fear us.  They will learn a lesson we nearly forgot.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:38 | 2882063 NotApplicable
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$700B in "defense" spending says you're wrong. Not to mention over 100M "voters" who will make sure you are no threat to their gang.

As long as they've empty FEMA camps, and the armies to fill them, they fear little.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:37 | 2882455 Urban Redneck
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$500B per year and 100K men only buys a strategy of urban pacification in a handful of major cities.

Contemporary examples would also indicate at least a 20% defection rate.  There is also the the increased armament and higher  number of potential belligerents with prior military/LE (& gang warfare) training.

 If it goes that route, it doesn't end pretty for the State.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:39 | 2883294 Parrotile
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On the basis of past American action against "perceived threats to the status quo" of the very well-connected, I'm not betting on "urban pacification". If push comes to shove, you better bet that it'll not be teargas in those canisters, more likely some short-persistence lethal chemical weapon. Cheap, effective "removal" of the "problem", and completely in accord with already fully evident mindset of "those in power" - remember all the "Depopulation Agenda" comments from those who will always remain unaffected by any such agenda?

"They" won't be wishing to damage "assets", but the people? Well, that's another thing entirely. Never forget that a LOT of $$s go into USAMRIID and Fort Detrick. And it's not all spent on "defence" is it . . . . . .

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 20:16 | 2883531 honestann
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Which leads to a situation where predators-DBA-government control cities and large towns... while anarchists, individualists and libertarians of all stripes control rural areas.  How long will such a "country" function to the benefit of the predators when they can't get much food to feed their supporters, most of whom are welfare, foodstamp and unemployment consumers?

Interesting albeit revolting dynamic.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 02:41 | 2884071 Parrotile
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Well with the long history of covert operations by the various three-letter Agencies, what makes you think that the "Rural libertarians" will not have a number of planted insiders, who will be assured protection and the resources to "steer" groups in a suitable direction to ensure support of trade with the "Predators"

As to the City-scape "Supporters", unless thay are needed for a specific purpose, they'll be disposed of in the most appropriate manner. A quite possible arrangement would be "Fight on behalf of the ruling elite, you and yours will be fed. Choose NOT to fight and you will be disposed of as a "Traitor to the Cause" . We've seen good examples of this during the French Revolution, and during the Russian Revolution, so we KNOW this can, and no doubt WILL, happen.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 22:44 | 2886557 honestann
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I agree.  I left the USSA 3 years ago, precisely because the USSA has plenty of resources (and inclination) to "go everywhere" and "destroy everyone".  Why else are they buying billions of rounds of ammo and tens of thousands of drones?  I feel much, much, vastly safer in the extreme boonies of a part of the world where the predators-DBA-government are much poorer, much less equipped, and much less inclined to mess with people, especially in remote areas.

The best place to live in the next 30 years will be places where the government is very poor and as competent as keystone cops.  How corrupt is the government is a secondary consideration, because at this point in history, they are all utterly corrupt.

OTOH, since the 1960s at least, even the military of the USSA hasn't done very well against independent, small-cell "guerillas" or "terrorists", so perhaps someday more effective resistance will arise than I envision.  I do hope so.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:49 | 2882497 Inthemix96
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Not Applicable, fair play.

Bring your 100m, do you think we will all lay down and have our bellies tickled?  Hmmm, I dont think so sunshine.

Lets hope you are one of the first who come for folk like me.

You may well be fucked son,

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:35 | 2883123 Westcoastliberal
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I think you are absolutely right, which is why DHS placed the order for 1.5 BILLION hollowpoint rounds.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:34 | 2882042 lolmao500
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Maybe America can finally have it's civil war number 2... the statists against the free men.

Will The Election Results Cause Massive Riots To Erupt All Over America?


Will the most divisive campaign in modern American history culminate in massive riots in our major cities?  Right now, supporters of Barack Obama and supporters of Mitt Romney are both pinning all of their hopes on a victory on November 6th.  The race for the presidency is extremely tight, and obviously the side that loses is going to be extremely disappointed when the election results are finalized.  But could this actually lead to violence?  Could we actually see rioting in communities all over America?  Well, the conditions are certainly ripe for it.  A whole host of surveys over the past few years have shown that Americans are very angry and very frustrated right now.  In fact, a Pew Research Center poll from late last year found that86 percent of all Americans are either angry or frustrated with the federal government.  We have seen this frustration manifest in protest movements such as the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street, but right now things are fairly calm as liberals and conservatives both look forward to November 6th.  Many Republicans started the countdown to the next election literally the day after John McCain lost back in 2008.  All of their hopes of getting Obama out of the White House are riding on a Romney victory.  For many Democrats, Barack Obama is a “once in a generation” icon.  Just the thought of Mitt Romney replacing Obama in the White House is enough to push many of them to the brink of insanity.  In recent years we have seen horrible rioting erupt in cities after major sports championship games.  How much worse could the rioting potentially be if this bitterly contested election is decided by a very narrow margin – especially if there are allegations that the election is “stolen”?

The election is nearly four weeks away, and many Obama supporters are already threatening to riot if Obama loses.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:43 | 2882071 NotApplicable
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Manufactured Dissent. Chomsky should be proud!

I wonder, will it be House and Senate staffers at play AGAIN?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:51 | 2882314 shovelhead
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That would be the soccer moms in the suburbs, right?

Let em burn the cities...Who cares?

Embrace and enjoy your diversity.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:32 | 2882044 caimen garou
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on top of cant eat the peanutbutter,dont take a shot for back pain,$100 dollars dont buy much at the store, pain at the pumps, the water taste like natural gas, and middle east going full retard, whats a race war? something else to add to the growing list of world bullshit! rant over.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:33 | 2882045 MrBoompi
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If a rich douchebag like Mitt Romney wins by a huge margin, even though his approval rating is barely 30%, then I would expect some of us to be pretty pissed off about it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:41 | 2882074 Chump
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What if the other rich douchebag wins?  Does that mean we won't be able to enjoy any strongly worded internet comments from you?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:39 | 2882067 pan
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Don't vote!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:44 | 2882090 pupton
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George Carlin was a lot smarter than I gave him credit for most of my life:


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:33 | 2883115 Westcoastliberal
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He was more an activist than a comedian in his latter years.  Got to see him live on stage twice and I feel it was a privilage.  We sure need him nowadays.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:49 | 2882106 OldTom
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Does anyone really believe that if he loses, Obama and his Chicago hoodlums won't try to take over by inciting riots for which he will have to declare martial law, suspend Congress, and negate the election?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:03 | 2882156 Bobportlandor
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200 million guns and a hell of a lot rednecks say, Make My Day.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:28 | 2883266 Tijuana Donkey Show
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They will turn off SNAP and benefits until they get their way. In ancient Rome, you were as strong as your patrons, or the people who came and depended on you. SNAP+Obama phone is much better than bread and circuses. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:50 | 2882114 larz
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yeah four more years boompi obammmmma is a real proven jackass they both suck but keep drinking the blue koolaide

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:05 | 2882167 Vince Clortho
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"orderly transfer of power"  ... ???

Are we talking about the puppets Romney and Obama?   What a joke.

Both of these guys have the power to do exactly what they are told to do.  

As for the real power that is running the planet, it will stay right where it is.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:45 | 2882291 NotApplicable
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How this simple fact escapes so many...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:41 | 2882465 Uncle Remus
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I am guessing from the tone of most of your posts on this thread you're a big status quo supporter kinda socket puppet.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:58 | 2882340 shovelhead
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I still want to see a dog carrier strapped to the roof of the Presidential Limo.

I have a logical reason to vote.

The rest of you who hate dogs, not so much.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:42 | 2882469 Stud Duck
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BUY MORE AMMO AND CANNED GOOD! If Obammy wins, the rural redneck will not tolerate it, if Romney wins the urban blacks are going to riot and burn most of the ghetto they live in! BUY MORE AMMO AND CANNED GOODS!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:12 | 2882574 NuYawkFrankie
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Re urban blacks are going to riot....


Since I'm only 40 blocks away from Harlem, I've invested in an Afro-wig & a 36inch ghetto-blaster (late '80s model) so's I can hopefully meld-in... and go wid da flo, bro...

I already have a large sack marked "SWAG" to throw over my shoulder so's I can act furtively and meld-in when I'm in the vicinity of Wall St.

All bases covered here - thanks for aXin.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:48 | 2882475 NuYawkFrankie
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Most commonly asked question on awakening the morning after Tues. Nov 6th....

 "Who stole my eRection?"

 2nd most commonly asked question - no matter who wins:

"Why is my a$$ quivering.... like it's about to be impaled?" 


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