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Ron Paul On The "One-Party System"

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Ron 'I'm playing the long-game' Paul will not go quietly into the night - and rightly so, it would seem, given his truthiness. In a recent brief interview on CNBC's Futures Now, he managed to diss Romney, smash the 'belief' in a 'two-party' system, and undermine any hope for economic change from the farce of an election. Summed up simply: "There is essentially no difference between one administration and another, no matter what the platform."

Starting by agreeing with Jim Rogers recent views that we discussed here, he refises to endorse Romney and then it gets interesting...

"They haven't the vaguest idea what Austrian free-market hard-money economics is"


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Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:58 | 2882729 stocktivity
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That's correct Ron...It's all Bullshit!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:13 | 2882794 TruthInSunshine
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Let's see...

Do both Republicans AND Democrats:


1)  Bail out banksters from their reckless behavior with taxpayer monies perpetually (while having aides and family take employment positions amongst the bankster ranks)?  Check

2)  Bail out Wall Street "firms" (those 'manufacturers' of wealth shifting & wealth destroying investment vehicles) from their reckless behavior with taxpayer monies perpetually (while having aides and family take employment positions amongst the Wall Street Parasite ranks)?  Check

3)  Support a trillion+ USD annual military budget complex whereby 90% of that which is procured is not needed & a waste of tax monies in order to enrich defense contractors?  Check

4)  Support a radically activitist foreign policy agenda that has extremely adverse long term financial, political and social consequences for Americans, current and future generations?  Check

5)  Support and vote for "laws" that attempt to gut fundamental, basic RIGHTS/LIBERTIES of the American Citizenry?  Check

6)  Have as their true constituents those who funnel cash into their coffers so as to allow them to increase their odds of winning elections/re-elections?   Check.

7)  Operate by stoking popular division by "talking up" social wedge issues (e.g. pledge of allegiance in school, gay marriage, manger scenes in public places, etc.) while actively working against the best interests of the American Citizenry on matters of real & lasting significance?  Check.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:13 | 2882810 DoChenRollingBearing
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Fringe Blogger Bearing had enough today, and so takes on a Hard Lefty!  The original article from CounterPunch lit me up and burned my butt...  What about North Korea, Ron Jacobs?  (Yes, I suggested that he re-educate himself here at

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:36 | 2882921 AldousHuxley
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ron paul's last day:

  • team up with taliban and blow the shit out of congress to gut corruption in politics
  • press that button to launch nukes on Israel AND Iran AND Saudi kingdom for peace in the middle east
  • turn off QE and see russian and chinese oligarchs cry
Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:40 | 2882936 Bay of Pigs
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What kind of a fucking idiot are you anyway?

You really have no clue at all.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:45 | 2882961 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1  Ron Paul, to my knowledge, for decades has stood for non-intervention, the opposite of what Aldous posits.  I have to presume he has not studied Ron Paul or his positions at all.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:55 | 2883009 Oh regional Indian
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Unbelievable Ron Paul myopia on display here.

Read this, follow the money, make some connects, look at Rand Paul....



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:00 | 2883024 akak
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ORI, do you automatically believe everything you read?

I can spot a dishonest, disingenuous, malicious, untruthful hit piece a mile away, and THIS one I could smell from the opposite side of the earth.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:03 | 2883039 KK Tipton
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What *specifically* is not truth in it?


Save Ron Paul by destroying it's lies. Or not?


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:06 | 2883044 Jack Napier
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Ron Paul stands for the Jesuit run John Birch Society.

His father stood for Freemasonry.

His wife and both daughters stand for the Order of the Eastern Star.

His son Rand Paul is willing to forfeit his political ideology for a mere chance at being Romney's lackey.

Anybody who thinks he isn't controlled opposition should pass me some of whatever they are drinking.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:26 | 2883096 KK Tipton
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Yes you are totally correct.


We got people thinking that DK article is bullshit. A hit piece. Lies.

This is their chance to prove it. Tear the article apart.
This is what real research is all about.

Can't just dismiss it.



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:22 | 2883249 The Alarmist
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Yep, that would be right up there with asking you, "So, how long have you been beating your wife?" and letting you get away with saying nothing.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 23:47 | 2883936 redpill
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No shit.  Ron Paul, the one guy who has made more lonely votes in Congress than anyone else to try to stop the tide of totalitarianism, and it's still not good enough for the fuckin tinfoils.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 02:55 | 2884085 jeff montanye
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excellent reply.  also, re: the two are one party system: the illusion of "objectivity" in modern journalism, particularly in the u.s., often means that what both parties agree on, war on drugs, on terror, scary iran, wonderful likud zionists... makes those who disagree fringe or unserious, not "objective".

for an illuminating take with the v.p. debates as background:

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 09:11 | 2884560 GetZeeGold
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Clearly Mitt is doing this wrong.


What you do is tie a silver dollar to some fishing line.....cast it out.....and reel it back in slowly.


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 06:27 | 2884164 RSloane
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They're partisans who don't like anyone stealing the limelight from their douchebag-du-jour.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 08:48 | 2884540 derek_vineyard
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someone will write what you want to've reached conclusions and seek supporting proganda

my advice----think each premise through individually, sleep on it, look at the opposing viewpoints and understand them  (doesn't mean you need to agree) and try to form your own opinion.  its not easy   good luck!!

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 10:10 | 2884627 Oh regional Indian
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Thanks for the excellent advice Derek. Much appreciated. I do that, everytime.

I've been deeply suspicious of RP and have thus followed his stroy (and research on what I believe to be his story) for a while now. I've said much th esame thing everytime, for over 2 years now.

The linked article has indubitable connections. Public knowledge. The Daily Bell (the other libertarian hang out) too, similarly. And their rah-rah-ing of RP. Much like here at ZH. DB has an even greater bias, and then you see the inter-connects.

People are free to believe what they want. If someone shows me something RP has done (beside the laughable job of educating people? Very weak for 35 years in the lime-light I must say, rag doll weak, spine-less weak or perhaps red-herring weak).

Someone pasted the list of bills he has tried to get passed in the past.

Talk about a Don Quixotesqe list, but a cunning one. Easy to table a bill you know will not pass, no? 

Fractally speaking, a hard money advocate should have been all about actions (material) not words.

Not to mention his well paid family heavy staff and of course Aiyeeeee it's Randy the King of the switch as his prodigal son?

And most shocking of all for me, is how personally people take this. Williign to wish death upon someone because he/she dis-agrees with your choice of Hero?

That is what gets me. And makes me goad. All idolatory manias have ended badly. History is testament to that.


is that so hard to see? RP fanbois have been shafted. By him, the system, everything, but very much by him. 

And yet, this.

All good. and good luck all around.


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 11:12 | 2884654 fuu
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You are making shit up again to fit your narrative.


"Very weak for 35 years in the lime-light I must say, rag doll weak, spine-less weak or perhaps red-herring weak"

Please point out when in the 35 years Ron was in the lime-light, then please contrast that to the time spent educating the masses done by those that were in the lime-light during that period.


Andanotherfuckingthing "Fractally speaking, a hard money advocate should have been all about actions (material) not words."

Submitting bills to be voted on is action. So is educating people while in the lime-light...

You are a master of Sapir-Whorfism.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 09:44 | 2884605 dark pools of soros
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Exactly. Masons are everywhere - no news there. Olympia Snow was a Rainbow Girl.

If you aren't part of something, you arent part of anything

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 14:55 | 2885370 Cathartes Aura
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Olympia Snow's rainbows are weather modified, together with her partner-in-crime, Kay Bailey Hutchison, with the blessing of David Rockefeller, all names familiar to anyone tracking "weather modification" bills this past decade. . .

U.S. Senate Bill 517 and U.S. House Bill 2995, a bill that would allow experimental weather modification by artificial methods and implement a national weather modification policy, does not include agriculture or public oversight, is on the “fast track” to be passed early in 2006.

This experimental weather modification bill will impact residents across the United States, not just in California. Many current and ongoing weather modification programs (47 listed by NOAA in 2005), including the one in Wyoming that is designed to increase the snowpack, may be diverting rainwater away from Oklahoma and Texas, two states that are currently fighting fires caused by a lack of rainfall. We have no idea what the unintended consequences of the Wyoming action or other experimental weather modification programs might be now or in the future.

In addition to the experimental weather modification programs listed by NOAA, there are both private and ongoing government sponsored atmospheric testing and heating programs underway in Alaska and across the United States. Alaska Senator Stevens recently received $50 million in funding for Alaska’s atmospheric heating program.

All of these unregulated, private, government, and public weather modification programs, may also have unintended synergistic effects. Senate Bill 517 does not address these issues but intends to implement more experimental weather modification programs without a national debate or public oversight.

Trimethyl Aluminum (TMA) and barium are just two of the toxic chemicals used in recent atmospheric heating and testing programs according to NASA. The Alaska H.A.A.R.P. atmospheric heating program may have the capability of changing the Jet Stream which could also change our weather.

post from January 2006, we're living "the future" now, Texas & Oklahoma are experiencing "exceptional"  droughts,  stories from Aug. 2012,


Thursday's U.S. Drought Monitor reports shows 38.86 percent of the state is experiencing exceptional drought, compared to 16.03 percent the previous week. In all, 100 percent of Oklahoma falls in the severe to exceptional drought categories.

Last year panhandle ranchers Phillip and Doris Smith suffered through the worst one-year drought in Texas history. A year later, they tell Malcolm Jones, it’s only gotten worse.

thank goodness that bill never passed, hmm. . .

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 03:14 | 2884100 Clashfan
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Ron Paul lost me when he denounced the 911 Truth movement. Guess that means some folks will call me a tinfoiler or whatever. Sorry. If you can't see that was an inside job or won't admit it, it's hard to get me to vote for you or care much. And though he's not a Freemason, lots of family members are.

On other matters perhaps more important than eating up RP's posturing, there's this:

and this:

The evil just keeps coming.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:32 | 2883101 akak
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No, Ron Paul is a 33rd-degree Masonic reptilian alien who farms humans for food underneath the Denver International Airport, and who sends mind-control beams, using the water-powered Annunaki device that he discovered in the ruins of Atlantis, to his many followers via their secret Ayn Rand decoder rings.

This is your chance to prove it. Tear my assertions apart.
This is what real research is all about.

Can't just dismiss it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:35 | 2883122 john39
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boy he sure stuck it to the FED, didn't he... oh wait....

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 20:53 | 2883627 SilverFish
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Lets rag on one of the few guys that at least tried to get something done with no support from the left or right.  At least the guys that got us trillions in debt were successful with their legislation, so we should hold those douche-bags in high regard for being able to "get things done" no matter how detrimental. Right?



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 21:02 | 2883649 john39
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The point is that Paul was controlled opposition all along.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 21:12 | 2883678 jeff montanye
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if he was such controlled opposition why was and is his point of view basically absent from the main stream media?  one never sees any questioning of the likud party's position, the war on drugs, on "terrorism", the creeping, now jogging police state, the immorality and impracticality of the bankster bailouts....  

what would make it uncontrolled opposition?

i have no idea about the money and personalities the article linked above cites.  to me it comes down to the wisdom or not of the policy recommendations.  on the topics above, and others, ron paul, gary johnson and definitely not obama or romney seem right.

oh, and an interesting point about ayn rand:

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 22:05 | 2883793 nmewn
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Don't present Joshua Holland (of all people) as a source for anything.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 02:17 | 2884061 jeff montanye
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oh come on.  the material isn't controversial as to its truth.  the guy below makes the appropriate points in opposition and in many ways i agree with him.  it's just kind of interesting to see the ambiguities in ayn rand, one whose take on the world (and, apparently, cigarettes) brooked very little.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 09:07 | 2884557 nmewn
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I was picking up on the intertwining themes presented.

The larger point of the "controlled opposition" of individualist thought going on all around us, can you spot it here?

It there in most articles presented through the lens of the MSM, however sleight or veiled. Joshua, from his perspective, is just more blatant about it. For that he gets a single point for honesty ;-)

But it is as if, the idea of individual self sufficiency (and thereby less of a burden on the state and your neighbors) must be attacked from wherever it springs. Therefore, Rand must be shown as a hypocrite. To do so defeats the ideal proposed, or so the "progressive" thinking goes.

But to me it says more about the motives of those doing the attacking, than of the ideal itself that is being attacked.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 00:36 | 2883982 jwoop66
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She probably knew cigarettes were bad for her, but still smoked them.   What's your point?  She was forced to pay in to the social security and medicare system- she might as well take a payout; even if she spoke of their disasterous consequences.   The problem is that they exist at all, not that those forced to pay for them use them eventually.  In fact the problem is if you are forced to pay for them, you absolutely will use them.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 00:38 | 2883985 jwoop66
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oh, and fuck ron paul.  I voted for him in the primaries, but I think he is just another tool in someones box. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 23:13 | 2883907 SilverFish
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Ah, i get it!


FED guy #1 - "Man, this is awesome! We have ZERO opposition in the media, or any political figure that can get the word out about us! LOL"

FED guy #2 - "Hey!! Why dont we CREATE opposition to ourselves.... and control it!!"

FED guy #1 - "Uhhh, why would we want to do that?"

FED guy #2 - "I dunno, boredom?"





Sat, 10/13/2012 - 00:23 | 2883969 A Nanny Moose
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Controlled opposition to what? Either O'bamneybot, or Rombama winning?

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 01:26 | 2884029 Oh regional Indian
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Oh boy, you really need to get up to speed on 2 things that run our world...

a) Divide and Conquer

b) Hegalian Dialectic

Slowly, it will become clear. What is controlled, what is opposition, what are Rockher Fellas, what are dark agendas, what is geo-politics, who formed the ACLU? Who funded the Negro Rights movement.

Start yesterday or reality will hit you like a ton of bricks. I'm not being facetious at all. The stressors to the global fabric are clever fucks. And they've been at it for a long time.


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 03:18 | 2884105 Bay of Pigs
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30+ years of "controlled opposition"?

LOL. What kind of stupid asshole are you?

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 03:47 | 2884120 Oh regional Indian
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You really need to lengthen your time-horizons to start thinking like the PTB, BOP. 

30+ years is a drop in the time-bucket.

poof, it's gone and millions were fooled/duped/done!


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 03:55 | 2884123 Bay of Pigs
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Maybe, but some people need some perpective on his voting record.

Hatchet jobs dont cut it... 

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 05:30 | 2884142 Oh regional Indian
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Fair enough. But his voting record is like people writing in their names on the POTUS ballot.

He knows it will be a gesture, is all. A gesture that will win him the undying support of his followers.

Like Kucinich on the dem side. 

Red Herrings, both, I feel.


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 10:33 | 2884662 fuu
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Wait a minute. If someone tries to change something and fails they are a red herring?

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 06:29 | 2884165 RSloane
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You really need to stop using the phrase "you really need" as an opener.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:42 | 2883147 Uncle Remus
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And here all along I thought I was having a problem with my alien implant...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:47 | 2883165 KK Tipton
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"You just know that all the Paulbots and anarcho capitalists will shrug all this off as conspiracy theory crackpotery. I’ll bet a pot of gold on it."



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:03 | 2883332 TWSceptic
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You just know that all the Paulbots and anarcho capitalists will shrug all this off as conspiracy theory crackpotery.


"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck." That article is laughable btw. 9/10 leftist author.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 10:14 | 2883337 OneTinSoldier66
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"You just know that all the Paulbots and anarcho capitalists will shrug all this off as conspiracy theory crackpotery. I’ll bet a pot of gold on it."


And not one of those conspiracy theories has ever turned out to be anything other than just a theory, right? Especially the one that was going around for a while where Central Banks were going to globally co-ordinate the printing of money out of thin air(Global QE)!


That was just one of the many conspiracy theories that never came to pass that I am capable of discussing.



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 23:07 | 2883901 GFKjunior
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No we are just going meta-meta-meta on you.


If all opposition is bought then surely the "daily knell" is run by an anonymous blogger getting a paycheck from the illumanti...


Or you might be a paid troll..


Or I could be a paid troll... 

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 00:43 | 2883989 jwoop66
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ron paul is almost as dreamy and jesus-like as obama.    Even more dreamier and jesusier.  All politicians are the same except for ronpaul. He would have single handedly saved the republic.  He can't motivate much congressional support, but if he was president, HE would stop the rise in the oceans, cool off the planet and get repubs and dems to no longer be the same.  


Talk about fuckin sheeple...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:04 | 2883199 Jack Napier
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Ron Paul has stated he is not a Freemason, and I take him at his word though maybe I shouldn't. I'm not interested in your trollery. I have done my research. Here is a link if you would like to do some as well.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:30 | 2883276 KK Tipton
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Secret oaths are bad. The people who swear to them are worse.


His dad swore them. He allowed his wife and daughters to swear them?
But yet RP didn't swear any secret oaths?

Ultra fishy if you ask me.


Who thinks none of this matters?

"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" - Carl Jung

Word. You'll never get a truly good society this way.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 22:14 | 2883809 UGrev
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my father is a lot of things that I am not. What one's father has done matters only to a certain point. Look at Rand Paul. He's not exactly on the same level as Ron. You have a lot of evidence to find and present.. In other words.. "PICS or STFU". 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:22 | 2883250 dracos_ghost
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Fuck the Annunaki, Enki owes me money.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:34 | 2883286 KK Tipton
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And he hoaxed Nibiru too. You ain't gonna see shit.


Tell you what, cut me 50% and I'll get your money back from that asshole.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:19 | 2883378 Dapper Dan
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I don't know if this helps,  but Ron Paul mows his own yard, I know this to be a fact.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 06:29 | 2884166 HurricaneSeason
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Very impressive. He got 1 bill that he sponsored passed out of 620 attempts. Maybe he should have hired someone to mow the yard.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 08:58 | 2884548 Dapper Dan
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you mean H.R.833 : Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act,  yes, hard to get that passed.

American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2009

Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009

Taxpayers' Freedom of Conscience Act of 2009

Freedom From Unnecessary Litigation Act of 2009

Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2009

Second Amendment Protection Act of 2009

Complete and Permanent Property Tax Deduction Act of 2009

Free Competition in Currency Act of 2009

Any wonder why they don't pass?

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 10:07 | 2884634 Oh regional Indian
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Dude, any wonder he tabled them in the first place?

Because he knew they would not pass.

*head shake*


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 10:36 | 2884667 fuu
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Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:45 | 2883455 shovelhead
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I always wondered what that funny smell was from in the Denver Airport.

I just thought it was from the TSA agents.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:30 | 2883109 AldousHuxley
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"This is all a rotten show"

"What did you do? Quit?"

"What can I do? against the machines?"

"All the good in this world came from fools. Fools who faced long odds while trying to lift his thought off of the ground."


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:50 | 2883462 CharlieBitMe
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Do you REALLY think that your attempt to marginalize the message by resorting to character assassination will fly? Eat shit and die pond scum troll. Oh, and btw, your sister is a whore.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 21:44 | 2885966 FreeSlave
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Ron Paul is not, and never has been, a mason or freemason... Lets make it clear... Here is a link:

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 02:48 | 2884076 Oh regional Indian
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Congratulations on the ability to use your olfactory sense in a smell-less medium. ;-)

That said, shit stinks. I'm happy to attack anyone's sacred cows. Do show me something (ANYTHING) Ron Paul has done. Not said. Lots of saying has happened. Just sayin' if you know what I'm meanin'.

oh wait, he did raise a lot of money did he not? 

What a Bomb da man is. Ron Paul, teflon man. He can do no wrong because he "says" the right things.

No "man" can survive like he has in this system unless he is "controlled". The good doctor has shown his real side these past few months. Flip like a flop. Establishment Freemason Hard money distractor.

I'll call him Ron "The Texan Piston" Paul. He is In, he is out, he is in, he is out......

Feel free to keep on loving/liking him.

Meanwhile, I'll feel equally free to hold my own POV and use my (what I consider rather refined) judgement on what I believe and what I don't.

In a free world, liberatarians seem to have no problem squelching other people's points of view.

Such a contra-indication in terms. No? I mean yes? hmmm?


The Texan Piston : Fed? Nanke?  

Fednankers: ?

TTP: Can I haz awedit?

Fednankers: Fuck off

TTP: Oh, Ok, sorry I aksed


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 03:21 | 2884109 Clashfan
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In an environment of heavy brainwashing, hero-busters are themselves heros. Kudos.

Choose your heros carefully. Don't choose one who denies 911 truth. It's a litmus test that can be very helpful with discernment.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 05:45 | 2884148 Oh regional Indian
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Gracias CF. And yes, indeed.


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 04:53 | 2884135 BeetleBailey
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I was smelling some serious shit.

Then I closed ORI's web link...the smell went away

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 05:50 | 2884152 RSloane
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Yes, he does. Its one of his many isms.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:42 | 2883146 NotApplicable
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You know, it only takes about five minutes worth of reading to fully debunk that article (in relation to Mises and Rothbard, that is). Yes, the elites make the attempt to own ALL avenues in an effort to protect their weak flanks, but that doesn't mean they are successful at doing it. (Rothbard's break with Cato, for instance)

Instead, they create fiction under the guise of "debunking." Of course, since most of their audience isn't well versed in the subject matter, they not only get away with phrases like Austrian faux Economics, other well-intentioned, yet unenlightened people helo spread the meme.

That website, frankly, is a P.O.S. designed to protect the elite from their true opponents. In other words, some agency psyop.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:08 | 2883186 KK Tipton
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I see claims of fiction everywhere, but no proof.


The only true opposition is a man in the street who has burned a flag.
Of his own volition of course.

The rest are just pretenders of various degrees.
Hustling for "Fame, Fortune, Fa-gina".


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 11:03 | 2883246 fuu
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Which one of the wankers on that site is Max Fischer aka Libertarians For Prosperity, aka Redneck Repugnicants? The about page is straight out his posts here.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:00 | 2883312 Al Gorerhythm
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This isn't about  Ron Paul. The issues he raises are the crux of it. He's not out there asking folk to vote for Ron Paul anymore. He's out there promoting Libertarianism and exposing "The Lie" and always has been; i.e. up until he pulled out of the race, which I found to be somewhat strange. The weird thing is, he may still be pumping the issues but he was on the national and world stage (leading up to Tampa) and had the press at his finger tips. Now he is left to delivering the message via fringe (not to us) blogs. WTF RP? You still haven't delivered an intelligent reason for pulling out. Once a Libertarian always a Libertarian. Our forefathers didn't abandon the battle mid-charge.

Pissweak end to to a popular and growing-by-the-minute, campaign. The big question is; Why?


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:15 | 2883363 mendigo
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Like Ross Perot and the tea party, he was only allow to operate to divert some pent-up anger and the was programmed to self destruct.

Vote for Belle! - a true alternative.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:38 | 2883437 Al Gorerhythm
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A vote for any of them is a vote for perpetual theft. Form a second party; The Protest Party. Have a Libertarian platform written into its constitution and you'll piss it in. Protestors of all stripes will jump on board. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 21:50 | 2883752 mendigo
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Its comforting really to have only a binary decision. Do you really need anything more? Any knowing that they are essentially the same makes it easier. Like coke or Pepsi. No there is true americana! We could debate all day which is better thank god we live in a democracy - greatest nation on earth. many people would give anything to live here and a medical system that is the envy of the world and what about those yankees can they do it again? and what about the schools you know kids these days learn differently not like you or I. did you watch jersey shore I can't believe it!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 23:06 | 2883855 Al Gorerhythm
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I can't tell if your post requires a sarc qualifer or not.

Do you mean "binary" as in Liberty or binary as in democracy?

I'd sooner take comfort in my unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, being supported by the guiding laws of the Libertarian Constitution, rather than mustered and trampled upon whilst living under the sufferance of your damned Democracy and some contrived government bebevolence.

Political promises made, liberty forgotten.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 22:16 | 2883816 UGrev
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Fri, 10/12/2012 - 23:07 | 2883860 Al Gorerhythm
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Yeah, cute name but can you imagine the Protest Party as a write in? Isn't federalism what got us into this mess in the first place?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 23:39 | 2883926 UGrev
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Actually, the federationist platform is ANTI-federalist. 

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 07:34 | 2884211 Al Gorerhythm
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Anti-federation federalists. Oh.

I think I get it. Is that like bestowing Obama with a peace prize?

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 13:48 | 2885264 UGrev
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Maybe you should try reading the platform.. you _can_ read, correct? More importantly.. can you comprehend?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 03:20 | 2886262 Al Gorerhythm
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It's all in the name as an attractant, is what I was infering, dopey. I read their platform on their opening page and it is a you say, Fererationalists, backing their movement the constitution as their platform. But why didn't they call it something less nuanced, like the Constitution Party or something? You could do the same with the Protest Party. Comprende`? If not, just leave it alone.

Once again, isnt federation what got us (the States) in the mess we are in?


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:10 | 2883348 SnobGobbler
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i smell a doppleganger; ron paul rocks you motherfucker!

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 03:03 | 2884092 Oh regional Indian
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Ah, finally, a voice of reason, articulate, erudite.... a Snob Gobbler to boot.

Shall we proceed from this most excellent platform you've priovided for us. 

You're up. We await your next pearl-flow, you articulate motherfucker, you.

Nice disguise by the way, coming across as blue-collar and all.


Doppling, Gang-'em Style tm

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 21:03 | 2883647 Mr. Magniloquent
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Your regard for that article speaks poorly for your cognitive abilities. The author does little more than state degrees of separation between Dr. Paul and various facists of Washington D.C.. The article speaks nothing of Dr. Paul's history, words, or beliefs.

Then again, I once met a person whose father attended a lecture by Stephen Hawking. Using the same rationale of that article's author, I must be Dr. Hawking's intellectual heir and protege. How fortunate for me.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 03:00 | 2884089 Oh regional Indian
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Magni, bad example. Have you ever wondered who writes Haw Haw Haw King's speeches?

Mr. String theory is A marionette, on Strings. I thought everyone knew that.

Darn it. ZH average IQ and knowledge Q is falling, failing every day.

Can we have Quadratic Captchas please? Or at least some pattern recog. Captchas? 

Plus, my cognitive abilities, let me assure you, far out-strip yours. I'll assume my real world experice does too.

Feel free to follow the leader. 

I'll blaze a new trail, thank you very much.


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 05:52 | 2884154 RSloane
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Yeah we can see your trail.....from the back door to the outhouse.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 07:20 | 2884205 Oh regional Indian
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I fart in your specific direction.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 22:58 | 2883889 Hugh G Rection
Sat, 10/13/2012 - 02:54 | 2884084 Oh regional Indian
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Dude, das rayciss.

Das corny, dawg. 



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:00 | 2883025 SafelyGraze
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was contemplating "making vote count" by writing in rp

maybe somebody could remind me about rb's main contributor being on the bildersteer committee

thanks in advance

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 22:47 | 2883879 margaris
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Yes exactly. Ron Paul is a proponent of the non-aggression principle.

Doesn't mean he can't kick ass if he needs to defend himself.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:44 | 2882959 SilverDOG
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You may be correct with your first suggested action, but "we" should deal only with our own problems and sources thereof. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:51 | 2883176 AldousHuxley
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"WE" = Americans

largest single IMPORT of America is ....oil

no more oil, no more intervention or even temptation to bother middle east.

wars "WE" initiate, is transparent to all except americans. That's why osams hit world trade center not Israel.


that's best for peace. good for americans, good for arabs, bad for bush, bad for saudi princes.



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:32 | 2883280 The Alarmist
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"--- largest single IMPORT of America is ....oil ...."

Uh, the US Census Bureau puts oil & gas at number 2 ($280B in 2011) behind Computer & Electronic products ($343B), but I guess we can cut you some slack so you can further develop the investment theme.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:11 | 2883351 the iD
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and in 2011 the largest single EXPORT of AA-merika was....wait for it...FUEL. ur such a stupendous sack of buttholes that it is piteous.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 20:03 | 2883486 The Malamute Kid
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Mr Huxley, did anyone ever tell you that you are a douche?

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 05:04 | 2884137 Champie
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edit: removed because my post didn't show up where I expected

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 21:46 | 2885972 FreeSlave
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Lets make it clear...  Ron Paul is NOT, and never has been, a mason or freemason...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:53 | 2882998 Gully Foyle
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Dude, I thought I was the only one here reading Counterpunch.

Counterpunch, Dissident Voice, Exiled and Paul Craig Roberts, plus Ted Rall toons, balance out all the other shit I have to wade through daily for a glimmer of "truth".

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:05 | 2883206 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hi Gully, I read some of it, but not very much!  Paul Craig Roberts spreads truths.  "Peace and Balance" as our Tai Chi instructor says...

Alas, it is harder to find a bit of truth rather than some peace and balance.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:00 | 2883026 Totentänzerlied
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North korea is a bizarre place, the cities (okay mainly just Pyongyang) are faily modern, if rather second/third-world, while the countryside literally never left the 19th century. The whole place is just surreal, like a socialist-realist utopian nightmare.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:45 | 2883153 Uncle Remus
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Uuuhh, that was Austin.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:15 | 2882817 AldousHuxley
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government is what super wealthy use to preserve their status in the social order.


looking for government for help is like asking your boss's boss to get you a promotion.


you may get it and stand equal to your old boss, but will never get a position above boss's boss.



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:22 | 2882859 sadmamapatriot
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Where is Michael? Did he fall off the planet after 9/18?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:48 | 2882972 fuu
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He pretty much admitted he was leaving soon.


Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:19

"I'm planning on going away for good soon, just had to tip the balance of the left right paradigm over, job almost done.

Paul Delegates should Dance out of RNC to Romney version of America the Beautiful"

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:09 | 2883052 AldousHuxley
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ruffled too many feathers

revealed too many truths

upset the status quo too often



Ron Paul is being kicked out....

Just like when Alan Grayson spoke against Wall St. bailouts

Just like when Russ Feingold voted against Patriot Act and sponsored acts putting limits to political fundraises.

Just like when Dennis Kucinich confronted Obama about Healthcare bill does nothing to lower costs by introducing state alternatives to insurance.


I'm not saying elections are rigged, but they are controlled by defunding certain candidates.

Funny how politician's best moments are their last years in the office. They can actually do what they wanted to do because they don't have to worry abotu getting re-elected and elections are all about the money.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:26 | 2883095 MassDecep
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"I'm not saying elections are rigged,"

I am saying Elections are rigged.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:29 | 2883106 sadmamapatriot
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Thanks for answering. I always saw his pelosi jokerface everyday, especially on the Paul threads, and then, poof, he was gone!  I did not always agree with him but I always enjoyed the posts.

Same thing with AldousHuxley. Hey, Dude!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:50 | 2883173 Ident 7777 economy
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" Where is Michael? Did he fall off the planet after 9/18? "

Slewie chewed him a NEW ONE:


Good one slewie!


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 13:31 | 2885220 sadmamapatriot
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LOL! What a bunch of characters!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:22 | 2882860 john39
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its all the matrix, even Ron Paul.  interesting article i came across the other day.... "how money power controls the libertarian movement":

the banker cabal buys or coopts anything group or movement could threaten its control.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:36 | 2882918 true brain
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That's because the people in charge are not these clowns. These presidential clowns come and say "Yes Sir," to the real boss and leave after four to eight years, get their pension and keep their mouth shut. The Real Boss stay forever. Get used to it sheeple.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:51 | 2882984 AldousHuxley
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Mr Smith Goes To Washington 1939


it was true in 1939, it is true today....


the young, lanky country boy is about to meet the old crotchety streetwise veteran....and they are of the same party.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:41 | 2882940's picture

It's all the matrix, even john39. So where does that leave you?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:55 | 2883007 john39
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if you think you can change the system through voting, keep dreaming.  there are no real alternatives that are not coopted into the system.   change will happen from outside the system, or not at all.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:02 | 2883030's picture

I didn't say that one could change the system through voting.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:36 | 2883074 john39
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then in response to your first post, it leaves exactly where i was before.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:42 | 2883145's picture

Yep, you're still right there in a matrix of your own design.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:46 | 2883160 Uncle Remus
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A DO loop of glitches.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:54 | 2883182's picture

Adieu, loop of glitches.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:30 | 2883108 Earth Ling
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Here's something a LOT of people can do THIS Presdiential Election to challenge the Lesser of Two Evils, Two Parties No Choice system we have today.

Intelligent Conservatives in solidly Blue States should vote for Gary Johnson of the Liberatarian Party. (If you vote for Romney and you live in NY, you're completely wasting your vote)

Intelligent Progressives in solidly Red States should vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party. (If you vote for Obama and you live in Oklahoma, you're completely wasting your vote)

Spread the word!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:32 | 2883113 Raymond Reason
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Every organized movement is easily infiltrated and subverted.  The solution is for each person to creatively opt-out and reinvent their own private world.   As we move to second or third world status and the State moves closer to totalitarianism,  it's ability to enforce the laws it creates diminishes.  When the dollar goes, so go the ways and means.  This will be the end of a long era, the era of fractional reserve banking, and the dawn of a better age. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:53 | 2882979 KK Tipton
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This ZH article was auto generated by the matrix.

That Daily Knell article link was posted last night and now a direct marketing term from it is in this ZH article.

"Hard money"     Plus the Ron Paul/Jim Rodgers connection.

Whoop, there it is.


So now everybody needs to read the DK article, then come back and comment.
Prove it wrong. If such a thing can be done.
Would make for the best commentary. Unlike all the other static.



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 22:43 | 2883872 Cathartes Aura
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it's the weekend, let's get the thread up 'n' running. . .

So now everybody needs to read the DK article, then come back and comment.
Prove it wrong. If such a thing can be done.
Would make for the best commentary. Unlike all the other static.

guaranteed to up the comment counts, page hits, etc.



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:08 | 2883051 SafelyGraze
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perfect. thanks.

might just short-circuit the indirection and write in "Peter Andreas Thiel (German: [?pe?t?? an?d?eas ti?l]), born October 11, 1967, a German-born American entrepreneur" (wikipedia)

as a natural born citizen. he's constitutionally qualified to hold the office.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:34 | 2883118 KK Tipton
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Heads are asploding in here.


Hard drive heads that I don't believe many of the comments get typed by humans.
Or the articles "written" by them.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:24 | 2883256 fuu
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Sat, 10/13/2012 - 05:50 | 2884151 Oh regional Indian
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Lulz indeed.

With all th eshit being smeared on this thread, sure looks like something ass-ploded.

Keep the flame burning KKTipton.


Sat, 10/13/2012 - 11:05 | 2884689 fuu
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I love how "derp teh bots are postings" comes out when the fight is being lost. It's straight out the FUD manual.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:42 | 2882950 silverserfer
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cash for gold-------------> oligarch

fort knox------------------> oligarch

Lybias gold---------------> oligarch

Gordon Brown's "Gold Sale" ---> oligarch

central banks gold vaults----------> oligarch

GLD----------------------------> oligarch

oligarch's gold hoard= power over all(power to print fiat and force austerity on debt serfs)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:55 | 2882993 AldousHuxley
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why don't you divorce your recently handicapped wife and marry a daughter of bootlegger like Arnold or McCain to join the oligarchy?


devil doesn't accept cash....only  your soul.



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:11 | 2883352 TWSceptic
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He said it best imo!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:21 | 2882849 Lohn Jocke
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We should sponsor our national monuments to raise revenue:

The Goldman Sachs Grand Canyon

The JP Morgan Statue of Liberty


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:34 | 2882913 Temporalist
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I suggested a couple of weeks back that they put both their logos on the Capitol building.  The USA - brought to you by GS and JPM - do you know where your money went?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:56 | 2883010 KK Tipton
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Sorry, the Vatican won't let them do that.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:40 | 2883297 KK Tipton
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Listen red arrow bots...


Just like Charlie Sheen signs the FRONT of all his checks, and not the back...

The Vatican got their fresco on the INSIDE of the Capitol building, not the outside.

Look up what the fresco means oh ye of small minds.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:23 | 2883240 Oldrepublic
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$100 Million will get the 42nd Street Library in New York City to be named for you

Stephen A. Schwarzman Building

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:14 | 2883056 graneros
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Since the idiot some call President just dedicated a new National Monument to everyone's favorite union activist "Cessar Chavez" a few days ago I give you:

Green Giant Cesar Chavez National Monument.  Where Ho Ho Ho takes on a whole new meaning.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:05 | 2883203 Anusocracy
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Sell all the federal lands and start buying out social security recipients.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:22 | 2883073 Daily Bail
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Nice list TIS.  Check this out.  Ron Paul completely funking spanks Mitt Romney, then turns around and spanks him some more.  All while the cameras are rolling.

Ron Paul Torches Mitt Romney On Afghanistan: "I'm The Commander In Chief! I Tell The Generals What To Do! Not The Other Way Around, Mitt!'
Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:23 | 2883390 Renewable Life
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Where was THIS LIST, during the last two debates???? I would have loved the moderators to read this list and ask each candidate, if they agree or disagree???

oh but the media is in the bag right, what bag you fucking idiots, ITS THE SAME PARTY!!!! Your agueing about the color of the fucking sky at sunset, its orange, no its yellow, no its purple, no its red!!!!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:52 | 2883466 Aztec Warrior
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1) Most of the Uber cool Goldman Sachs execs Donate to Obama

2) Bailed out firms doled out loans to poor americans as affirmative action housing was forced down their throat

3) Truman, Kennedy, LBJohnson and Clinton all started Wars/escalated conflicts in Korea,SEAsia, Bosnia

4) Pandering to extremists who wish to exterminate minorities and reestablish theocratic chaos is no different from pandering to dictators who promise to deal with the extremists

5) America is Republic first - Democracy next

6) Fiat currency money is just s SQL database number - if you think that those numbers represent true wealth you are posting on the wrong site

7) Its the democrats who are playing Vote-bank politics with elections being made based on race, religion, sex etc rather than real issues - this votebank politics has been mastered in populous democracies in Asia

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 23:02 | 2883893 GFKjunior
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You are wrong.

Here is the campaign spending.


And Bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the parties are the same.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 11:12 | 2884702 Jake88
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5.1 Pass law that succeeds in removing your constitutional right to due process at the whim of the president. Your most basic right to freedom is now at the mercy of the president (who btw also can legally have you killed without due processs). Thanks to the NDAA passed by 93% of the senate 44 "republicans" and 48 "democrats". If you think republicans care more about your constitutional rights check the house voting record on NDAA. This is not an Obama law. It is a republicrat law.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:26 | 2882877 Ham-bone
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If only someone would be honest about the "spending cuts"...

net-net we're talking about a 2012 $3.8T US Federal budget will be cut to... $3.8T in '13??? The smoke and mirrors game of not growing spending as planned, but no actual cutbacks. No cutback in spending, only not a growth in spending as was plannned??? The reason for the "cuts" is due to the automatic growth of spending in all the entitlement programs opted out of the "spending cuts". So, the same $3.8T won't buy what it did in '12 so all the "radical spending cuts" of $9B a month (offset by $85B in Fed MBS/UST monthly purchases) come in defense and discretionary.

And then in '14 the "savings" is a less than planned growth of spending to $3.9T???

This austerity will destroy us...the HORROR!!!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:52 | 2883179 Raymond Reason
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There will never be meaningful self-imposed cuts.  The problem is and has always been the takers, parasites.  Ticks don't practice self-denial, it's not in their nature.  Got salt?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:48 | 2882975 mayavision2012
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The only difference between constipation and diarrhea is degree.  Ultimately, the waste matter comes down the very same tract.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:49 | 2882978 Gully Foyle
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Gee willikers, Mr.Nader said it first.


There's a reason Kennedy and so many other observers were left with this impression. Again and again throughout the campaign, Nader implied that he thought Bush and Gore equally objectionable. "It doesn't matter who is in the White House, Gore or Bush, for the vast majority of government departments and agencies," Nader said in a news conference in September 2000.

"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.

"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."

Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."

Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:21 | 2883247 Wile-E-Coyote
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Ron Paul and his son are full of shit, when they were needed they were either blackmailed or threatened either way they capitulated.

Sat, 10/13/2012 - 01:39 | 2884035 delacroix
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ross perot backed off, after his daughter was threatened.

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