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Turkey Scrambles Two F-16s To Syrian Border

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For the first time since July, Turkey scrambled two F-16 fighter jets to the Syrian border following a Syrian military helicopter bombed the border town of Azmarin. The WSJ reports that the two fighters flew along the border shortly after 2pm local time following heavy fighting between rebels and Syrian government forces. Booming explosions and the rattle of machine guns around Azmarin could be heard Friday morning from the small Turkish border town of Hacipasa. One eyewitness said the Syrian attack helicopter retreated when the Turkish jets flew along the border. Turkey's move on Friday to scramble jets close to the fighting inside Syria comes amid a sharp escalation of tensions along the shared 565-mile frontier.



Via WSJ:

HACIPASA, Turkey—Turkey scrambled two fighter jets to the border with Syria for the first time since July after a Syrian military helicopter bombed the Syrian border town of Azmarin, eyewitnesses said, underlining heightened tensions along the neighbors' long border.


The F-16 fighter jets flew along the border shortly after 2 p.m. local time, following heavy fighting in between rebels and Syrian government forces in Azmarin, a Syrian border town opposed to President Bashar al-Assad's rule.


Booming explosions and the rattle of machine guns around Azmarin could be heard Friday morning from the small Turkish border town of Hacipasa.




One eyewitness said the Syrian attack helicopter retreated when the Turkish jets flew along the border.


Turkey's move on Friday to scramble jets close to the fighting inside Syria comes amid a sharp escalation of tensions along the shared 565-mile frontier.




Friday's move to scramble jets underlines escalated tensions along the border, but it isn't the first time Turkey has dispatched its fighters during the Syrian crisis. In July, after a Turkish F4 Phantom jet was shot down by Syrian forces, Ankara dispatched F16 fighters from Incirlik base in southern Turkey in response to Syrian helicopters flying near the province of Hatay. Two more F16s were scrambled from a base in the eastern city of Batman after Syrian helicopters were spotted close to the Turkish city of Mardin.   


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Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:27 | 2881792 docj
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< / King Putt >

Oh yeah, this will end well.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:49 | 2881872 Spirit Of Truth
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Israel seems to be gearing up for all-out war:

Precisely why remains to be seen.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:01 | 2881925 john39
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they would know, since Israel is the primary driver for warmongering in the ME afterall.... funny that, 'god's' chosen addicted to war... hmmm.....

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:20 | 2882002 Spirit Of Truth
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I think the real pertinent question is: Why are 'God's chosen people' always on the defensive in this world? If you are going against God, who then are you for?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:28 | 2882031 john39
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use basic logic.  If an entity created humanity, why would such entity chose one small group and favor such group above all others that he created?   yeah, total logic fail, but great brainwashing tool.    Revelation 3:9, wtfu.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:11 | 2882363 Hugh_Jorgan
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Unless, of course, you actually take the time to read the Bible and understand what the covenant between God and "his chosen people" was supposed to be. The commonwealth of Israel has always been open to anyone (which the Jews and Christians will both deny), and they were simply supposed learn and demonstrate God's ways to the rest of the world and not worship anyone but Jehovah. They utterly failed to do this despite being given numerous chances. So, God sent Jesus to show us what it looks like to follow all God's Torah and his ways, (and, of course, redeem us from our sins by his sinless sacrifice as Christians do understand). Israel was never meant to be some kind of exclusionary "cool kids" clique that God designed for them, they were supposed to be everyone who is devoted to Him and Him alone.

You won't hear this angle from the Orthodox Jews or any mainstream Christian denomination. They have both decided that the other is flat wrong and just ignore each other. Sadly, neither side understands how closely their destinies are intertwined in the end, but I feel pretty confident that this is what the Bible actually teaches and either way prophesy says that the truth will seen by all, eventually.

Man in his arrogance will pollute everything he had even a modicum of control over (as with pretty much every organized religious "venture" throughout history). Each person must take responsibility to learn and build their own personal doctrine and NEVER blindly follow someone who appears to have it all figured out. But then again that's the real trick, now isn't it?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:25 | 2882624 Spirit Of Truth
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Amen to that. God's not the great dictator, He's the great persuader, it's just men opt not to bother listening.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:28 | 2882633 Totentänzerlied
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The great persuader has a neat trick up his sleeve: damnation and eternal punishment. Not a dictator, a psychopathic mass murdering tyrant.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 20:36 | 2883589 e-recep
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or a mafia boss of gigantic proportions...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:28 | 2882634 Totentänzerlied
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The great persuader has a neat trick up his sleeve: damnation and eternal punishment. Not a dictator, a psychopathic mass murdering tyrant.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:49 | 2882697 Global Hunter
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Hugh errr Hugh!  An informative post, not sure why the thumbs down, I will +1 you to even it up, I think you've got a good perspective.

(I don't usually pay attention to thumbs down, but in your case I noticed)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:36 | 2882264 jayman21
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You are talking about the elites?  Right?  The know how of the Lower and Middle class people on starting wars is....well a silly thought.  When has a war been started by a farmer, shop owner, or even a shoe cobbler to name a few?




Presidents, Kings, Queens, to name a few.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:37 | 2882058 DCFusor
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I note it doesn't say chosen for what in the bible.  Bad example of human nature perhaps?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:52 | 2882122 johnQpublic
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extermination maybe?

crossing fingers....

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:56 | 2881904 permafrost
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How did Turkey know about what was on a passenger plane?  It seems like we are tying to start something here.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 21:53 | 2883768 mjcOH1
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"How did Turkey know about what was on a passenger plane?  It seems like we are tying to start something here."


I know I find it implausible that one of hundreds of Syrians involved could have leaked the news, especially during a civil war.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:58 | 2881913 SeverinSlade
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FSA appears to be intentionally attacking the Syrian regime near Turkey's border in an attempt to spark a war between the two countries.  After all we know that the FSA is made up primarily of non-Syrians (who happen to be AlCIAeda operatives).  War with Syria/Iran after November 6th seems increasingly likely.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:26 | 2882026 Christophe2
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Alternatively, Turkey is trying to make the fighting easier for the Turkey/NATO mercenary troops in Syria.  Where normally Syria is able to use its attack helicopters to back its ground troops against the terrorist FSA, due to Turkey's F-16's they had to be withdrawn...


Goddamn Zionist Erdogan.  He isn't going to survive this politically (Turks are pissed at him, in no small part due to billions in affected trade), but it doesn't seem like it matters to him...  Heil Israhell!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:16 | 2881987 Wile-E-Coyote
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Turkey is only being aggressive because they have NATO egging them on. Bunch of inbred arab mother f****

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:29 | 2882032 Treason Season
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Turks aren't Arabs.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:58 | 2882142 Cow
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The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:05 | 2882169 Osmium
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Forget it, he's rolling.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:34 | 2883429 Tompooz
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True. But the inbreeding in those Anatolian valleys is another matter

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 20:53 | 2883628 e-recep
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really? why don't you educate us about the matter? which valleys are they? how many valleys are there in anatolia? do you have the slightest bit of idea? or are you just another uneducated imbecile with a typical american high school education?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:29 | 2881803 john39
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the fascists will have their war...  its all they know.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:38 | 2881833 Bananamerican
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cue "border incidents" with NATO member....

a nice electoral dovetailing ensues

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:12 | 2881974 NotApplicable
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Those "mutual defense pacts" sure come in handy when one needs a war, huh?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:14 | 2881980 JimBowie1958
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Yeah, because it doesnt really matter how many Turk civilians get killed by Syrian attacks, intended or not.

The CIA or Mossad probably flew that helicopter by the border to try and start sumpin, right?  /sarc


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:35 | 2882056 Christophe2
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dumbass troll.  What benefit does Syria gain from starting an official war with NATO/Turkey?


*No one* has any evidence that the mortar rounds (a light weapon ideal for insurgents, that requires no complex logistics) was fired by government troops.


On the other hand, we know that the area it was fired from is rife with NATO/Saudi/Qatar-backed FSA terrorists who don't balk at murdering and terrorising the civilians in Syria, and hence wouldn't balk at killing a few Turks either (especially if they are Christian or non-salafist). 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:57 | 2882334 Urban Redneck
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trafficking in armed attack helicopters, is a world away from small arms (up to and incl. mortars)

operationally, false flags are also more difficult as helicopters are short range, high signature vehicles, meaning owned assets aren't easily repainted and slipped across the border for a false flag op, esp when the host state has any sort of radar infrastructure

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 13:51 | 2913275 JimBowie1958
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*No one* has any evidence that the mortar rounds (a light weapon ideal for insurgents, that requires no complex logistics) was fired by government troops.

You mean no evidence other than Syria's government admitting publicly that their forces did do it, you mean?

Fucktwatface bitch.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:37 | 2881809 PaperBear
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A helicopter made to look like a Syrian helicopter ?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:19 | 2881999 Wile-E-Coyote
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A Blackhawke made to look like a Syrian helicopter.

There I fixed it for you.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:32 | 2881810 RyanW525
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Nothing to see here....more Lindsay Lohan news please....

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:36 | 2881824 Dr. Richard Head
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Well, she did endorse Romeny, so he's got that going for him.  I think she is just trying to link to the hooker/blow bankers that have bankrolled Romney.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:59 | 2881916 permafrost
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I love how our "democracy" is reliant on people that are going to make a decision on how to vote based on some random alkie's opinion.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:15 | 2881984 NotApplicable
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I can't get beyond the fact that there are still undecided voters. I'm like, either the rhetoric works, or it doesn't. The idea of it "kind of" working...

*head asplodes*

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:54 | 2882129 General Decline
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I'm undecided.... About which rifle I'm going to have my children practicing with instead of wasting my time at the voting booth.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:36 | 2882055 Vince Clortho
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Don't know how many people will be influenced by LL's endorsement of Romney, but her credibility is far above that of the jokers that are running for office.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:42 | 2882078 Money 4 Nothing
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She's getting her tit's done again! Yaaay!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:45 | 2882290 Overfed
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Her one redeeming quality is that she's sexy. Otherwise, completely useless. She'd make a great hooker.. Oh... Wait.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:33 | 2881817 Abraxas
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Everything goes as planned and announced. "The axes of evil" are falling one by one. Afganistan, Iraq and Lybia have been "liberated". Syria is undergoing the process. Sudan and N. Korea are not even important. Iran is the next step. You can't say that they failed to communicate to the world what their intentions were.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:40 | 2881835 docj
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I think you left out Egypt, but otherwise, yeah.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:12 | 2881971 Abraxas
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That's right, Egypt and Algeria have also been undergoing the 'democratisation' process. There have been some minor 'liberations' as well...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:17 | 2881993 JimBowie1958
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So when did you  immigrate to one of these shining utopias of shariah bliss?


You Truthers act like t his is all theater when real people are being killed, maimed, tortured and 'disappeared' by these thug regimes on a daily basis.

If you like Syria so much, why dont you go live under Assads enlightened rule?

I am sure you hvae some excuse.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:20 | 2882004 Abraxas
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Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:33 | 2882047 JimBowie1958
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Dont project your shit on me, bitch.


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:38 | 2882064 Vince Clortho
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Yeah.  Take that you "Truthers".

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:49 | 2882306 Overfed
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Yeah. Now that they've all been liberated, sharia law is no more. Oh. Wait.....

The truth is that it is all theater for consumption by the sheeple. The psycopathic US/Israeli "leadership" that you so blindly adulate don't give a fuck who lives and who dies. 3000 people dying on 9/11 ain't shit compared to propping up the petrodollar and the billions raked in by the bankers and the MIC. Fool.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:16 | 2882600 morpheus000
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No one likes Assad. The point is he balances other forces. No one likes the other side either. What is important are the outcomes one wants for ones own side depending on who one is. The rest is just part of the propaganda war.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:34 | 2881820 Jason T
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who believes this shit verbatim?  

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:48 | 2881868 CrashisOptimistic
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You, sir, are 100% correct.  The corruption and complete elimination of morals and ethics in journalism in the New Normal has happened with astonishing speed.

In Libya, authority was granted by UN resolution to "PROTECT CIVILIANS".  Russia and China signed onto that.  So NATO went out and enforced a no fly zone over Libya.  What happened next?  Gadaffi's forces STILL were winning.  They rolled up rebel positions in jeeps arranged to look like rebel jeeps.  

NATO stretched the rules and decided the rebel armed forces were civilians and so they bombed attacks on them by Gadaffi forces.  Russia and China complained that this was beyond the UN authority.  NATO ignored that.  So Gadaffi forces stopped attacking so overtly and made slow, stealthy progress towards victory rather than fast progress.

Brent oil spiked up and all of a sudden enforcing the No Fly zone with so many sorties began to run up enormous costs for NATO.  NATO held a meeting and said . . . we must eliminate the Gadaffi regime and maybe we can do that under the UN authority.  They then began bombing purely defensive Gadaffi positions that were threatening no civilians at all.

Not long after that the rebel forces were able to march slowly forward and take Libya.  Russia and China effectively have said under no circumstances will they ever again agree to any UN authority to do essentially anything at all -- and they are right.

This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton.  She has destroyed any possible working relationship with the number 1 oil producer on the planet, which is Russia.  But is this reported in the press?  No.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:03 | 2881918 JustObserving
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Looking for truth in the US media is like looking for an honest politician.  The US media have been unreliable since Operation Mockingbird which began in the 1950s.  You may have better luck looking for unicorns.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:36 | 2882007 JimBowie1958
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Good assessment, but I am happy as a Truther on crank that Gadafi is feeding worms right now with his stinking corpse.

Why dont the Libyan people deserve to live in peace and freedom too?

Yeah, those brown people dont really understand freedom, is that it?

Having the MB in charge through democratic means is better Gadafi in charge via terrorism and bloodshed.

Edit: Truthers dont like to read contrary opinions. Guess when they cant shout em down or silence them with bullshit laws, they just reflexively arrow down people, ROFLMAO!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:55 | 2882135 CrashisOptimistic
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You do realize that the evil Gadaffi paid the university tuition for any Libyan student to go to university anywhere in the world?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:35 | 2882444 JimBowie1958
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And that justifies him being a murdering scumbag tyrant?

Would you be comfortable with such a dictator in the US as long as he paid kids tuitions?

Why do you have such low standards for brown people?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:56 | 2882333 LeisureSmith
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(JB) You strike me as a particularly dense person, you should donate your body to the DOD. so they can make next gen. Sabot's and MOP's. You know, just to help out.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:36 | 2882451 JimBowie1958
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And LeisureFucktard, you strike me as a stupid shit who couldnt think his way out of a wet noodle snare.

You should donate your body to the local compost pile, which is a good use for manure.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:57 | 2882336 Overfed
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You are one stupid motherfucker if you think the Libyans (or any one else we've "liberated") are enjoying any more peace and freedom than they were before. Every gov't we've toppled over there was secular, now they've all been replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood. Syria is next.

Fuck. You probably believe we in the US are free.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:45 | 2882482 JimBowie1958
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Do you live in Lybia? If not, how the fuck would you KNOW if they are more or less free, dumbass?

Are we free in the US? Complex question that depends on what is meant by the word.

To anarchists, any government at all proves the individual is not free.

To absolute monarchists, as long as the King doesnt fuck with you, you are free.

In the US, the freedom to own property, guns, speak freely in a responsible way, the ability to worship what ever god you want or none at all, to vote for who you want for public office, etc, these are considered halmarks of being free.

But I dont know; maybe in your little nutshell you rulle the fucking universe. I also dont really care since you seem to read minds in Arabic from across the oceans and seas.

And yes, the MB has taken over these places, and right now they are being lax, but will likely impose sharia law, which isnt too bad if you are a Muslim. The rest of them are fucked, but thats not too many people, and John Stewart Mill would have argued that as long as the majority have more benefit it is good, so who am I to argue with a 19th century genius? lol.

I do think it an apparent truth that when people are willing to bleed and die to change a governemnt, even with foreign backing, there is something dreadfully wrong with that former government.

As to your first sentence, I stopped fucking your mother years ago when she stopped showing up on my back porch.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:43 | 2882953 Panafrican Funk...
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"Do you live in Lybia? If not, how the fuck would you KNOW if they are more or less free, dumbass?"

Dear Jim Bowie,

Please read that back to yourself, and reflect on whether your knowledge base is superior in regards to Libya.  

Regarding M.E. governments in general, given the publically available historical record, what business do we have judging anything that happens there?  I'll start you off with an easy example.

Justify that action.  Can't wait to hear your response.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 13:57 | 2913285 JimBowie1958
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I have known people that have lived across the Middle East and the one thing that they all agree on is this: The US State Department is full of ignoramuses, liars and frauds who dont know jack shit about what the people in the ME think about anything, nor do they give a shit.

And what 'they' want to do about it has a variation that is almost breath-taking in diversity and fantasy.

They could do better, but most of them would rather be ruled bby a tyrant of their own culture than some elected President who most likely represnts Western bankers.

And lets not bring up the Zionists, lol. They all just about hate them too, without restrictions.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:56 | 2883175 Overfed
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Own property? Who the hell actually OWNs any property in the US? AFAIK, alloidial title is not recognized anywhere in the US, which means you are only renting it from the gov. If you don't pay your 'protection' money, you can take a hike. So, (buzzer sound), not free there.

Own guns? Yeah, we can own some guns. So long as BATF approves said guns and the FBI approves your background check. I'll partly conced that one, but it could be a lot better.

The official position these days is that if you're not a Christian, you're golden. It's as PC to abuse Christians as it is to abuse white males.

Vote? Vote for whom? O'bomb-a? Mitt (magic undies) Ro-money. Some fuckin' choice.

I'll add a few.

Free to travel? Have you tried getting on a plane recently? Or even just driving into Canada or Mexico? (buzzer sound) not free there.

Free to assemble for redress of grievances? Nawp. If anybody 'important' is there, no protesting allowed. Otherwise you can protest from the isolated "free speech zone". What a fuckin' joke.

Maybe you haven't noticed that the first, fourth and fifth amendments, habeus corpus and posse comitatus have been repealed? NDAA 2012, "Patriot" (barf) Act, Trapwire, FISA and so on ring any bells?

You need permission from the gov. to drive a car, get married, build a house, fuck, build anything for that matter, cut down trees on your own property, hold a meeting, have a parade, set off fireworks, practice law, practice medicine, give a tattoo, sell your home, sell your car, make whisky, go boating, go fishing, hunt, keep bees. Fuck, I could go on for days.

Free? Not by a long shot.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:18 | 2882608 morpheus000
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True since the US is in full descent its dropping all kinds of birdshit all over the place.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:35 | 2881822 LongSoupLine
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mmmm scrambled turkey - Homer Simpson.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:40 | 2881829 Dr. Engali
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So where are all the protestors in the streets chanting no war for oil? Oh that's right it's okay now because it's "their guy" doing the bombing. Can we just be honest about it...Americans on both sides of the ilse are blood thirsty hypocrites just do long as it's their guy doing doing the bombing? I'm so sick of this shit...I may start drinking early.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:42 | 2881845 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Dr. Engali


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:42 | 2881849 drivenZ
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FYI, Syria doesnt have much oil. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:47 | 2881863 Uncle Remus
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You're not paying attention.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:06 | 2881950 drivenZ
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enlighten me

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:05 | 2882353 tickhound
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They're called trade routes.  Old Silk Road east, Strait of Hormuz, Syrian avenues to the Med, air space(s)... C'mon, you know. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:53 | 2882997 Panafrican Funk...
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Indeed.  Pipelines.  Because for some reason, it's better to blow billions on this shit than building windmills.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:50 | 2883174 tickhound
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Windmills or any other freaking thing.

You have to love those commericials running now that showcase a young child building some erector set science project subtitled something like "education for a better tomorrow" or some shit only to find out its an EXXON commercial.  LOL.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:15 | 2883064 drivenZ
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since when has getting oil out of the area been a problem caused by the syrians?  yea if they want to topple Assad because he's buddy buddy with Iran then fine. Turkey has pipelines running through it. what does the straight of Hormuz have to do with Syria? 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:44 | 2883152 tickhound
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All are examples of routes out of the Middle East.  All are routes we prefer to "control."  Assad's relationship with Iran has little to do with it.  That's just the story being sold to you. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:49 | 2881873 Dr. Engali
Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:54 | 2881896 NotApplicable
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Maybe they like sand?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:04 | 2881934 john39
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the fascists want a nat gas pipeline through Syria...  plus, must eliminate any government that might challenge global fascism in any way.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:23 | 2882016 JimBowie1958
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I think they are more concerned about the possibility of Iran having a direct land route to Isreal as Iraq becomes more their satelite with each passing year.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:08 | 2881957 Dumpster Fire
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Moses: An' when they was no meat we ate fowl. An'when they was no fowl we ate crawdad. An' when they was no crawdad to be foun', we ate sand.
HI: You ate what?
Moses: (nodding): We ate sand.
HI: You ate sand?!
Moses: Dass right . . .
Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:01 | 2881927 forwardho
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No, they don't have oil. Just the land it needs to move across. Big picture dude, big picture

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:47 | 2881867 RSloane
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Just remember Doc -

Bush signs Patriot Act - Horrible, treasonous, crushing our liberties, anti-constitutional, makes citizens terrorists in their own country

Obama signs NDAA - thank God someone is watching over us and protecting us from our enemies!



Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:59 | 2881919 Dr. Engali
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Yeah it is just incomprehensible to me how they get away with it, and just how people can't see what they are doing. To paraphrase the Joker...This country needs an enema.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:03 | 2881933 Dumpster Fire
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CVS has pre-owned: 

Feds Bust Man Who Returned Used Enemas Floridian indicted for tampering with items purchased from CVS

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:08 | 2881960 RSloane
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Its the same people who rail and scream against the rich in this country then turn around and give them everything they want.

They get away with it because not enough people in the US call them on it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:45 | 2882091 Vince Clortho
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"Obama signs NDAA"

and one of of his campaign slogans is "let's finish what we started"

That has to be giving his supporters a continous orgasm.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:02 | 2882349 Overfed
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I had that same conversation with some idiot the other day. Couldn't tell me wthat the difference was; other than that O'bomb-a actually cares about the middle class and not the banksters. Puuuuuukkke!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:01 | 2881877 Bananamerican
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"So where are all the protestors in the streets chanting no war for oil? "

Yeah, where are all the Republican kids? Where are YOU Dr. Engali??

or me?

Is amerikan protest just for "dirty aimless hippies" and so easily squashed anyway?

Who was the guy who explained Hitler's rise and Germany's descent into crazytown?

He said it was all about the incrementalism.

Since W, since GWOT™, since ze "Homeland Zecurity"™, ze Bailouts, ze zero convictions, since utah data center und drooones™....since Terror™,Terror™,Terror™,Terror™,Terror™.... we are getting THAT far along in our time, for our turn.

Who will be the 1st to speak up, at what point, when so many crazy un-american things have already transpired? where is this informed, passionate, BIPARTISAN leisure class?

Of course it all ends in a bunker somewhere but till then "Dere iss dollars" to be made komraden"

Let the greedy break it all, as they always do....

Let the prudent come in after them, to sweep up, as they always do

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:02 | 2881929 Ghordius
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did someone already mention Hezbollah's Hassan Nasrallah talking about their drones flying over Israel? since you mention "crazy un-american things"...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:37 | 2882057 kill switch
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Fuck It!! Pour one for me!! It's 12:36 EDT

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:39 | 2881834 zapdude
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Begun the Cold Turkey War has.

Any opinions on whether or not Russia was actually providing arms to Syria via a passenger plane, which Turkey intercepted and forced to land?

The US is providing support to known terrorist groups to take out Assad, whom the US used to support.  Yet we still hold the "War on Terror" as a solemn duty.  Outrageously duplicitous.

And Iran is supplying weapons to Syria over Iraqi airspace -- I thought the US & Iraq controlling Iraqi airspace would not allow this to happen.  Unless the US wants Iran to dig themselves a bigger hole.

This all has been a poweder keg in the making, by design.  Fuse, meet lit match.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:02 | 2881930 CrashisOptimistic
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You don't quite have this right.

The US doesn't act in Iraq anymore without Iraqi authorization.  The Shiites have so much power in Iraq that there is no way they would authorize US missions to interdict such supply flights.

Beyond this, much more likely, supplies to Syria arrive by sea on Russian transport ships.  Hillary Clinton's insanity in Libya has destroyed any chance to influence the Russians, and with their position as #1 oil producer on the planet, they are essentially dominant.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:15 | 2881958 Ghordius
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of course was Russia providing arms to Syria. It's still their vassal, friend and ally, for Pete's sake! their most important naval base in the Med is there

for all that "the US used to support" Assad, Syria was only our friend because it joined the alliance against Iraq in the first Gulf War. the same way as Russia is supporting the NATO engagement in Afghanistan by keeping the supply lines over their territory open (now that Pakistan has shut them off), it's all specific "help" for specific purposes.

in the 19th Century it was called the Great Game. same region, nearly same players.

It's all about oblique isolation approaches against Iran - all aimed at preventing Iran of becoming too friendly with China (or Russia, though they have enough oil). and keeping those important US politics players, the Israelis, happy

meanwhile the region "risks" a new country rising: Kurdistan. and this would piss off Turkey, Iraq and Iran equally

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:41 | 2881837 Pantafulius
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Come on guys.  Everyone is missing the important part of the story.  That an actual city is called Batman!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:53 | 2881892 forwardho
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JETS SCRAMBLED FROM THE "BAT CAVE"   If i don't laugh I will soon cry. ZH's  are modern day cassandras... It sucks to see yet not be heard, or beleived.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:54 | 2881897 Bananamerican
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Holy World War III Batman!!!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:40 | 2881841 pods
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"Well we didn't get dressed up for nuthin!"

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:45 | 2881855 walcott
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ABOUT 24 F-16, F-18 hornets, F-22's scrambled over coast here. Oh shit! AIRSHOW SATURDAY AND SUNDAY!


STFW! fuck Syria anyway.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:52 | 2881886 Inthemix96
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Well lets hope the shithawks in our respective countrys' sign up their children first.  After all, no sane normal person on this planet wants to see their child killed for the PTB.  Let O'bomyas kids, bushes kids, clintons kids, blankfiends kids, camerons kids, osbournes kids and cleggs kids go first.

Because if you shithawks filling us lot with classical bollocks of war wants our kids to die for the netanyahoo.

Your kids go first.

I take no solice from this, I want no war with Iran, or any other nation in the ME.  I have no beef with them as they have none with me.  And not one of us on these boards should provide a body to come back in a bag with.  They pigmen at the top want this war.

Let the cowardly draft dodging fuckers have it.  They fight it.  And leave the rest of us alone.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:57 | 2881910 NotApplicable
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Non-crown Prince Harry fights brown people. Isn't that good enough?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:06 | 2881952 RSloane
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With you all the way, Inthemix. Congress and the WH in the US should 'donate' their sons and daughters to go first.

The flip side of that is congress and the WH want power so badly that they would happily donate their kids.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:18 | 2881995 Inthemix96
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Heres the thing RSloane.

The PTB have realised that the masses are waking up.  They must also realise that even us plebs are fucking people, with a life and hopes and asperations for us and ours.

Fuck them, they want war they fight it.  As for me and mine, and me and my friends and associates, and like minded people including you RS,  we leave well alone.

And should push come to shove, believe you me, I will uphold the law on these fuckers before they send my kids, or my friends or yours long before we do.  Fucking scum mate.  Thats all these shithawks are.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:31 | 2882228 Bicycle Repairman
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TPTB won't start a draft. The attack on Iran will mainly be an Air Force / Drone production.  Much like the Viet Nam war after the grunts in the Army mutinied in '68. 

They'll use machines.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:53 | 2882320 Randall Cabot
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They will if it spreads.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 10:10 | 2887108 Bicycle Repairman
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Well if it spreads to the gulf, sure.  The troops are sitting there now.  I doubt they could withdraw fast enough, even if the order was given.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:30 | 2882036 JimBowie1958
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Well lets hope the shithawks in our respective countrys' sign up their children first.  After all, no sane normal person on this planet wants to see their child killed for the PTB.  Let O'bomyas kids, bushes kids, clintons kids, blankfiends kids, camerons kids, osbournes kids and cleggs kids go first.

Dude, what is your point? Our military is all VOLUNTARY. They knew they might get into a war during their enlistment, hell some of them WANT to get into a war during their enlistment.

But no one is drafting anyones kids and sending them to die for Big Oil, for shits sake!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:34 | 2882052 Inthemix96
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Aye jim 1958.

Now ask them boys and girls if they knew the shithawks at the top will use them as cannon fodder for isreal.

See how many would politely walk away mate.

Pawns in a game is all they are.  And not even for your own country, makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:57 | 2882521 JimBowie1958
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Good point, inthemix. Here is all I can really say on that:

I was a volunteer back in the 1970s, got out in 83, and was an 11B for the whole time.

Everyone I knew in the infantry knew that there was a reasonable chance we could end up in a war. Everyone was OK with that for different reasons.

Some were in so they could fight for their country. Some were in to get the benefits for college and were playing the odds. If they lost and went to war they knew that the odds of them coming home in a body bag were very low, so they had no problem with that either. Some were in because they didnt want to go to prison and they really didnt give a fuck either way; life was already hell for them, they could not care less. Everyone knew that the folks at he top were lying assholes, but also knew that these cowards would only vote for an unpopular thing like war if they thought the public demanded it in someway, and if the people did such, then it would be a valid fight. Naive, but valid. At least they had the choice to volunteer.

Were it up to me, I wouldnt play in Syria for anyones benefit except the US or our closest allies. If Isreal, UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc, long time allies, get attacked, then we have to help them, IMO.

But spill our boys blood for the MB to gain power? nah, fuck that.

I have no problem with the Turks defending their countrymen and I suspect that Assad is trying to get the Turks to blunder in so he can plead for more help from Russia and Iran.

I dont think this would work out for him like he may think.

But all the same, we should not use military forces to help the MB. At most use some intel resources and not much more than that.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:57 | 2883474 Tompooz
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  "Were it up to me, I wouldnt play in Syria for anyones benefit except the US or our closest allies. If Isreal, UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc, long time allies, get attacked, then we have to help them, IMO.

But spill our boys blood for the MB to gain power? nah, fuck that."


Don 't you see that it is impossible to distinguish between the two scenarios?

The whole idea of military alliances in the 21st Century has to be debated and reviewed.


Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:11 | 2913330 JimBowie1958
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I dont think it is exactly impossible, but it is difficult. The main factor driving our foreign policy seems to be pleasing the Wall Street banks and a few multinational ethnic groups which includes a lot of people from Isrealphiles to Chinese supporters who have no limits to what they want to let China do to anyone.

The middle class in the US is almost completely shut out of the electoral picture for the Presidential elections now. The two major parties are cooperating too much and have agreed to lock out smaller third parties, which is why no third party candidate has been in the Presidential debates since Perot.

International corporations and Wall Street bankers do not share the intersts of the average citizen and they will refuse to give up their control of the two main parties so we need a third party and major election reform, reform focussed on getting Big Money out of our elections.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:52 | 2881887 topspinslicer
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FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! We humans do it right baby!!!! It's one of the things we do best aint it though? Ignore that reality at your own risk!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:11 | 2913335 JimBowie1958
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Which is a GOOD THING or we would have gone extinct by now, dude.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:52 | 2881889 fuu
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Get Your War On Bitchez!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:10 | 2881967 NotApplicable
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That was a great cartoon.

Too bad the creator is a Hopium-addicted Obummerdroid.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:46 | 2882097 fuu
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It really did have some potential.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:55 | 2881900 graneros
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Turkish prisoners dressed in helicopter suits found dead at Turkish border radio station.  I think that's what I heard. Maybe I'm getting my stories confused.  Maybe it was the Gulf of Tonkin.  Oh well, what ever, remember the Maine.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:02 | 2881928 NotApplicable
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No, you're thinking of the Reichstag fire, where Hitler had the Pacific Fleet sit in Pearl Harbor for no reason other than wait for the impending attack on the USS Liberty.

Or something like that.

Honestly, given it's their only play in the book, how can one expect to keep all of its instantiations sorted properly?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:26 | 2882027 graneros
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Yea it's all coming back to me now.   Horst Wessel was shtuuping Lili Marlene in back of the Reichstag when a drunk Dutchman, Marinus van der Lubbe, unknowingly caused coitus interuptus by asking for a light. Horst and Lili were then immortalized in song while poor Marinus lost his head.  Same story different war, or almost war, or soon to be war, or something along those lines.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:57 | 2881911 topspinslicer
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Endless wars big and small is why you gots to have universal healthcare bitchez!!!! (just came back from a 5 mile run and I feels good!)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:08 | 2881956 NotApplicable
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My version of universal healthcare? As long as I don't break myself, stay away from the allopaths! (and their pills)

Also, learning how to live a truly healthy life via a low-carb, high-fat diet.

I've lost 20 lbs of belly fat in the last year, and I wasn't even trying to lose weight.

Healthy Homeostasis, FTMFW!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 11:59 | 2881917 topspinslicer
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STOP!!! In the name of love..... (sing it with me now)

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:04 | 2881939 q99x2
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Why don't they go after the bankster families instead. All fighting would stop immediatly. Duh.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:06 | 2881943 walcott
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Hollywood Knights - Officer Bimbeau Quotes - 1  -  0:35

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:10 | 2881968 FranSix
Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:16 | 2881988 Magnix
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October Surprise!


Fri, 10/12/2012 - 13:51 | 2882318 Money 4 Nothing
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Supplies!! Look West, not East for the real back story. Syria and Iran are hands off to those nations and there will be a dirre consequence for Eeffing with them. Russia and China had something to say about this new Fascist Military adventuredom. Not good. Pray for the unwashed masses.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:38 | 2882065 lolmao500
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Syrian rebels, jihadists seize regime missile base

Anti-regime activists say jihadist fighters linked to al-Qaida fought with rebels to capture a Syrian military air defense base near Aleppo.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 12:52 | 2882123 Money 4 Nothing
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Syria, Iran... Sticks and stone warfare. Don't cheer it on.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:19 | 2882613 morpheus000
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Shit it will be funny when the US is all alonein the world and the US masses are starving no one will care but will be celebrating.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:02 | 2883036 Sandmann
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Turkey the Imperial Ottoman Power with US-backing seeks to challenge Russia in the region. In reality it s challenging Saudi Arabia which wants another Sunni dictatorship  to remove Christians from the region.

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