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Is This Why Gold Is Selling Off?

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From the morning of Draghi's press-conference on 9/6, Treasury bond prices and Gold have danced an interesting waltz around one another. After recoupling on 9/26, they once again divorced for two weeks, only to reconcile their differences once again today. Is the toing-and -froing of inflation views driving gold and bonds  - and does that mean Gold is almost done with its drop here as Both the Long-Bond and Gold are now both up 1.22% from QEternity.

 

Gold vs Long-Bond price post-Draghi

 

and following QEternity - they are now perfectly recoupled at +1.22% - coincidence?

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 

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Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:19 | 2882385 FreeMktFisherMN
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Time for gold and silver to explode irrespective of the broader 'risk-on' market. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:22 | 2882398 ZerOhead
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I admit I'm not a chartist but that looks a lot like two infinity signs on those graphs...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:28 | 2882417 I think I need ...
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AN IPHONE 4 COSTS ABOUT 5600 YUAN OVER IN CHINA CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT PRICE HERE? wHAT IF THE EXCHANGE RATES CHANGE.....gold GOES NO WHERE UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION AT THIS POINT, tHEY WILL REVALUE IT ONCE, AT SOME POINT. tHE GLD CHART WHICH MEANS NOTHING TO MOST AT ZERO HEDGE SHOWS A TEMPORARY TRIPLE TOP WHICH IS SHORT TERM BEARISH. BATTON DOWN THE HATCHES THE SHIT SHOW IS JUST ABOUT TO BEGIN AFTER OBAMA GETS REELECTED.

WRITE IN RON PAULS START MAKING A DIFFERENCE

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:50 | 2882502 Dalago
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The graphs kinda look like weird boobies.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:14 | 2882584 fourchan
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as he fiat stream slowly makes its way into companys balance sheets,

the illusion of recovery will mezmorize those in the market, into thinking all's well.

they will sell gold to take more risk in the created market. this ponzie of the fed will show itself,

and the massive inflation before the crash will signal golds launch, now is just the time to get it on sale, a sure bet.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:13 | 2882590 malikai
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Indeed.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:33 | 2883116 Arcturus
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Why write in RP. I will just vote for Gary Johnson, he is on the ballot.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:28 | 2882419 TheCanadianAustrian
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Clearly a dead snowman pattern is forming in the technicals.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:36 | 2882449 LongSoupLine
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Hmmm, I see an Exploding Texas Pattern.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:14 | 2882586 malikai
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Bikini holding a pair.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:28 | 2882420 blunderdog
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I see the good doctor Hunter S. Thompson's sunglasses in the first one...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:38 | 2882458 Blasé Faire
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My thoughts exactly when I saw it.  And it only makes sense, right?  This pattern will continue infinitely until the end of QEternity.  QE Infinity yields an infinitely repeating series of infinity-symbols.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:19 | 2882386 BKbroiler
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yo, don't hate, correlate

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:25 | 2882872 XitSam
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re-hypothecate

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:19 | 2882390 DoChenRollingBearing
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These day-to-day price movements do not matter.  Buy physical gold now!  The best diversification in town.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:44 | 2882478 Freegolder
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These price movements are of electronic/paper gold contracts only (as you know). There is currently no accurate price for physical gold, but when it comes, it will be 20-50 times higher today's false paper price.

All in is a great alternative to diversifying a little into gold, but only for those with a good understanding of the likely monetary changes ahead.

Sadly, Fofoa and his chums are more interested in videoing each other in an orgy of sycophancy these days, so not much more of value there. Fofoa himself comes across as somewhat of a dope, I do wonder if there is a ghost writer somewhere in the background who is a bit sharper than the guy in these videos?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/4504526.stm

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:56 | 2882527 The_Euro_Sucks
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I seen at least 1 admission that some1 else wrote a piece posted under FOFOA his name (I read his whole blog + most of the comments). If you compair his earlier work with the quality now I say yes, there is one (or more) ghostwriters at FOFOA. It sure seems a promotion to me. Still what I learned there (and from another and FOA) has proven invaluable to me. Many things I wondered about for years make sense now. 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:05 | 2882767 Freegolder
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Most of Fofoa is just rehashed Another/FOA anyway, but for a period it was well done.

I agree at least one ghost writer, and the BBC article is a spooky coincidence, same name, and the same big plane hired.

All a bit fishy.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:37 | 2882923 The_Euro_Sucks
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I agree completely with you. Since Iam not a schooled economist I had a very hard time understanding Another. I had a hard time understanding FOA since he explained more. FOFOA broke it down to understandable concepts so even I could understand. That I give FOFOA (and his ghost writer(s)) all the credit (pun intended) for because the concept is great. It has the potential to solve a lot of the mess we are in. So even though I think its a meme, for the change its a good one. I wish more of the elite meme's was of that honesty and clearity. If freegold can pull it off... after the tons of pain humanity can advance again finally. I sure hope so. Way better then the plan for a new american century for example.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:00 | 2883027 dbomb12
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I think John Embry really knows whats going on

Today John Embry told King World News, “We are literally witnessing a war between the physical buyers (Eastern central banks), and the paper manipulators (commercials or bullion banks), and that is why there is such a fierce battle being waged in gold between $1,735 and $1,800.”  Embry also stated, If the commercials run into trouble (with their massive short positions), KWN readers will see a move in gold that will leave them breathless.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:41 | 2883136 Arcturus
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Though I do believe there is a war raging, the east is winning not by raising the price of gold but by keeping it as low as possible to buy as much physical as possible at fire sale prices. They are playing the game like chess masters

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:20 | 2882391 Pooper Popper
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Giggity Gold!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:23 | 2882400 Bastiat009
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Day to day moves don't matter when gold goes down but when it goes up it's vindication time for the goldies.

Well, gold is back to the early days of September, you know before the QE thing.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:29 | 2882422 Winston Churchill
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So gold is back to $1680.

Which charts are you looking at,'cause I want to buy some gold at that price  please.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:34 | 2882439 fuu
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He only posts on down days for gold, it's his schtick.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:45 | 2882487 Magnix
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It would be nice if it was below 1600

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:06 | 2882563 knukles
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Why get greedy?

How's about a $1.60?
Truly reflect the price of a barbarous relic nobody should want or care for....

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:25 | 2882407 Reven
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QE was priced in, but a Romney win, and therefore a deflationary cut to Government spending, isn't priced into gold yet.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:49 | 2882499 seek
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You must have a different playbook. Mine says there's only one party with two candidates, and whichever wins, government spending goes up.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:51 | 2882508 fuu
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You actually believe Romney will cut government spending? Lulz. His "plan" is to lower Federal Revenue while increasing military spending.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:25 | 2882409 thomasincincy
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OT: Jeopardy

Werewolf

Silver

Werewolf in London

Silver Bullets

JPM

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:27 | 2882415 Aegelis
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"Money
Well, get back
I'm all right Jack
Keep your hands off of my stack"

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:29 | 2882421 luckylongshot
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Poor JP Morgan, on the wrong side of the market and no matter how much they short it their losses just keep getting bigger...so long Jamie.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:42 | 2882470 Quinvarius
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I looked how fast that banking short position in silver blew up.  They have to be getting pretty uncomfortable here.  They started that position before QE3 and all the miner strikes.  Then they just kept piling it on.  SLV has been flatlined on inventory levels for a long time after losing exactly 10% from peak inventory (what does that suggest?).  I think they mined that well dry.  I don't know what they are going to do this time.

I am pretty sure that there is something bad for the bankers going on in the gold market at the moment now as well.  There are too many oddities taking place.  My spider sense is tingling.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:53 | 2882516 seek
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Next stop, jacking up margin rates, and after that, whatever the next MF Global move looks like. Must not permit physical delivery or inventory loss.

There's a lot of odd things going on in paper metals right now -- to me, the charts seem to be showing in addition to the regular manipulation, some sort of HFT-type trades happening as well.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:06 | 2882561 Quinvarius
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Margin games are always a possibility.  But I think the real production/replacement breakeven cost of silver is in this general area.  For gold it is probably still negative on replacement costs, but running mines are probably getting $200-$300 per ounce on top of all costs.  There is probably not a good argument from the idiot miners to protect hedges with a margin raise yet.  The COMEX claims to have inventory, they were almost done in 2010.  So they don't have a direct reason to raise.  Only bank traders have a reason to raise.  It might be too soon after LIBOR to get that worked out.  Plus the old CME CEO got shitcanned after the MF Global theft.  I am pretty sure they are running a more scrutinized operation now.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:04 | 2882737 Lore
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South Africa was the fourth largest producer. That's a big swipe of production taken offline.  Should have some impact, in the REAL market at least.

The question everybody wants to answer is: HOW MUCH REAL GOLD IS OUT THERE, AND WHO HAS IT?  China isn't talking, Russia isn't talking, the un-Federal Reserve isn't talking.  Big scandals are brewing: tungsten, Libya, Suisse, etc.  Jeff Christian's 100:1 quote still haunts him. 

Impossible to know what is true at this point. EVERYBODY IS LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:35 | 2883435 Ctrl_P
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May I suggest a towel?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:00 | 2882544 Bay of Pigs
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What losses? They've been fleecing the public and making money on these raids for 12 years now.

As in billions of dollars worthThey are doing this with the FED's and UST's full support and approval.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:29 | 2882423 Silversem
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Time to leverage the goldprice using CFD's!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:29 | 2882425 Gringo Viejo
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Selling off because Asia has not completely cornered the physical. It's coming. Patience is all that's required.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:30 | 2882429 Jason T
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1980 to 1999 was a 19 year correction.. September of 2011 until April 2013 will mark 19 months.. so thus, a 19 month correction.  This is Martin Armstrong logic.

i'll take a buying up in April of 2013.

 

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:34 | 2882442 Quinvarius
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That doesn't even make any sense.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:41 | 2882666 Jason T
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Fractal pattern..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal

 "the same from near as from far"

19 months, 19 years, 19 minutes.. 

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:33 | 2882433 LawsofPhysics
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Wait a second, just checked and my physical hasn't done anything, paper will do all kinds of crazy shit because it's manipulated three ways to Sunday.  No worries. As far as my portfolio goes, gold is not an investment, it's a safe store of value and purchasing power.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:02 | 2883035 dbomb12
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Gold today Gold tomorrow

Dollar today Gone tomorrow

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:40 | 2882461 SmallerGovNow2
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Thanks Tyler, knew you would get around to it...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:58 | 2882533 scatterbrains
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talk about to-ing and fro-ing how's about some 1325ish for a meet up?

http://fiatflaws.blogspot.com/

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 14:59 | 2882536 Bastiat
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Off topic but . . .

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/10/12/secret-service-agent-found-passed-out-later-arrested-in-miami/

I'd be drunk too if my job was to take a bullet for that clown.  The thought the Biden would be next in line though might keep me going, sorta.

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:00 | 2882540 WhiteNight123129
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Yeah, right like the US will relever sustainably... pfff... garbage chart

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:02 | 2882548 WhiteNight123129
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Gold is the sitting right now, waiting for opportunities elsewhere. You can trade a bit of gold for Gallium Indium, Germanium, Tellurium, it is a good swap...

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:16 | 2882602 malikai
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I wonder, did the LME ever get those muppets to trade their gold for hopium?

Would be hilarious if it worked..

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:05 | 2882558 Ted Baker
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NOT TO WORRY FOLKS - WE ARE TODAY BUYING MORE PHYSICAL GOLD AND SHORTING HEAVILY THE NASTY EURO, GBP AND AUD BUT GOING LONG MXN, CAD AND CHF...THE REST IS RUBISH - WE CONTINUE BUYING MORE FACEPLANT SHARES BUT WONT TELL YOU WHY

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:33 | 2883422 WhiteNight123129
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Faceplant is the most puzzling, though still prefer Germanium and Gallium.

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:39 | 2883440 WhiteNight123129
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Are you thinking payment system?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:13 | 2882591 abgary1
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Private debt deflation is going to bring everything down.

The central banks of the world cannot stop it.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:18 | 2882610 kito
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gold is starting to ponder romney..........he gets his honeymoon, people are expecting another real conservative--- he comes in, rips apart regulations, backs off on taxes for the rich, money on the sideline flows in, jumpstarts the economy, revenue picks up..................gold gets pummeled...............decimated.................

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:24 | 2882620 fuu
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$1575 or $175?

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:24 | 2882623 fonzannoon
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It's going to be quite the honeymoon if while doing that he hikes the debt ceiling, punts the fiscal cliff and gold roars.

Also in your honeymoon scenario Interest rates spike as money floods out of bonds and wrecks the housing market and then eventually whacks the stock market.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:36 | 2882648 kito
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animal spirits fonz.................there will be sense from the big biz community that he is the second coming of reagan.....tear down regulations....give certainty to the markets..........nobody will give a crap about the debt ceiling or deficit during his honeymoon because the hope is that he is going to fix it through massive growth in the economy......stock market will take off.....................people think the next volker is coming..........that bernanke will be out............................nobody crunches numbers about the reality of what lies beneath the hoopla.....................................animal spirits fonz...........................

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:40 | 2882662 WhiteNight123129
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poor kito...

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:42 | 2882674 Likstane
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no doubt. Kito should go back to OJ's garage.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:13 | 2883060 Troll Magnet
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don't know why everyone's knocking on kito.  i think he has a point.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:46 | 2883308 kito
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thanks troll magnet!! wait, are you baiting me???..............really..........im not a troll................

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:31 | 2882640 WhiteNight123129
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Have you pondered the impact of Napoleon coming from Elba in 1815 on Gold price in unconvertible sterling?, I suggest you read kito and a lot and pronto. How about the impact of the war on Gold price in greenback during US civil war. Actually a good war in Israel is going to look funny on commodities. Also check the parallel between Hugo Stinnes and Romney, he paid companies with DM loans and then had his own DM printing press. Bain = buy companies with borrowed money, war = dollar confetti = repay LBO debt with bananas....................... 2 and 2 kito.... 2 and 2.....

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:41 | 2882668 kito
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perhaps im not clear????.............have i given the impression, based on my time here, that romney will be a savior??????............

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:32 | 2882641 Dr. Engali
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I doubt that kito. If Romney gets in then we get a fed chair person who is even more dovish than the Bernank.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:38 | 2882658 kito
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im only talking about what happens during romneys honeymoon.... pms take a big hit initally if he gets in............

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:38 | 2882657 WhiteNight123129
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Gold has to do with monied capital converted into circulation, nothing less nothing more. Gold gets wacked when we relever from a low leverage point or if we have a new monetary standard, check 1913-1920, 1933-1950 and 1981 , peak long bond yield = commodities wacked, new monetary system = gold and commodities wacked..... read kito....read

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:57 | 2882727 kito
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whitenight......i think you memorize a few chapters from some arcane economics book and spit it back out.....even if it has nothing to do with my point(perhaps you are an algo????)which is only that romney will be perceived as a savior at the outset....and markets will expect him to follow through on bringing in a fed hawk among other pro market things...which will temporarily hammer gold.......................show me the chapter in your dusty book that talks about 700 trillion in derivatives coming crashing down on the globe, wiping out every commodity including gold.............would that set us back to a "low leverage point"????

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:19 | 2883376 WhiteNight123129
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Kito, sorry you are correct I had not read properly, on your point of another crash, it can only happen in a redeemable currency system, otherwise it is staged. 2008 lehman collapse was staged.

There is no limitation to printing kito, a cotton paper bill has a cost of 0.03 USD... The Lehman crash was organized, the Fed decided that the game of leverage had lasted enough, if they had done LTCM type of resolution we would have another credit euphoria today and total inability of passing any regulating law. We needed a sacrificial lamb to move toward deleveraging.If the Fed had wanted to save Lehman they could have asked : "how many zeros? and here you go move on ".

The only collapse that can happen theorically is hyperinflation, not a deflation collapse because you run out of Gold in redeemable currency system, for that to happen in our system we would need to run out of cotton or run out of computer power to run the zeros.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:53 | 2882712 akak
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gold is starting to ponder romney..........he gets his honeymoon, people are expecting another real conservative--- he comes in, rips apart regulations, backs off on taxes for the rich, money on the sideline flows in, jumpstarts the economy, revenue picks up..................gold gets pummeled...............decimated.................

Kito, if I have told you once I have told you 100 times, NEVER take hits from AnAnonymous' bong! 

You better watch it, or you are going to find yourself beginning to babble about "US Citizenism farming of the poor and extorting of the weak"!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:58 | 2882734 kito
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its a great bong...very smooth.......the base of it has a mao head made of ceramic..................ohhh sooo nice......................

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:04 | 2882765 fonzannoon
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If you are talking about a month correction, maybe 2. I could see it. The media could probably push gold under $1,500 with all their bubble bursting mania. I just don't see how we get around the bond market though. Those animal spirits send money flooding out of bonds and rates move up. Bernanke will be sweating like a bald bastard while he tries to smile and cheer.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:07 | 2882777 kito
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during his honeymoon period............months....................

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:11 | 2882802 fonzannoon
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It's a very plausable scenario. I would hope you are right so I can have one last shot to buy. I think Obama does fine in the next debate. Ryan was more polite and had better manners last night but he got exposed. It is clear they either have no plan or if they do they ain't tellin. I think Obama exploits the hell out of that next week.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:20 | 2883077 kito
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oh they have a plan.........and its been going quite well for obamney...............................

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:33 | 2883421 dogbreath
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Kito

the past few months have been sureal in that TPTB have successfully kicked the can continuously.  Merkel in greece.......a distraction.   The election seem to be the " gotta keep the shit glued together untill" moment.  Personally I think that if the ruination of the US is the objective then obummer will win.   I think we are in the honeymoon period right now because I am not sure that they can hold it together much longer.   Maybe the bernanks 40 billion a month can paper over the problems.  I think the spark will come from a european bond/bank problem.   Its still a the strategic withdrawl period and the rout is still to come

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:32 | 2882905 MeelionDollerBogus
Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:21 | 2882852 DosZap
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gold is starting to ponder romney..........he gets his honeymoon, people are expecting another real conservative--- he comes in, rips apart regulations, backs off on taxes for the rich, money on the sideline flows in, jumpstarts the economy, revenue picks up..................gold gets pummeled...............decimated.................

Uh, the damage is already DONE.No matter what he does, the global econ is screwed, and that takes us along with it.

Romney may make the economy better(hell who couldn't),except those bent on detroying it........u got my drift.

Expect a huge buying opp, of Romulus wins, likely a pull back of a couple of hundred,FOR a short time.

Until the HIT comes on Iran, and Syria.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 15:32 | 2882642 pingpongthesecond
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Broke a decent amount of technical levels, should be quite th correction next few weeks.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:08 | 2882787 Lore
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If we only had a real market.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 16:18 | 2882834 Confundido
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GOLD BEARS: I WILL PAY ATTENTION TO YOU THE DAY  EITHER TWO OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN:

 

A) THE FED CANCELS FX SWAPS WITH OTHER CENTRAL BANKS AND LIBOR-OIS BECOMES RELEVANT ONCE AGAIN

 

OR

 

B) THE US STOPS RUNNING TRILLION/YR DEFICITS

 

DO I SEE ROMNEY CANCELLING FX SWAPS? THE ROMNEY WHO COMES FROM BAIN CAPITAL, WHO IS SPONSORED BY GS, MS, JPM? NO!

DO I SEE ROMNEY BRINGING THE DEFICIT DOWN? THE ROMNEY WHO IS IN FAVOR OF INCREASING DEFENSE SPENDING? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

 

OVER TO YOU, BEARS!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 19:29 | 2883415 WhiteNight123129
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Watch the spread of money market over Fed Funds as well and the 30 years yield.LIBOR-OIS is only a systemic indicator, money market is both systemic and "comnercial bills" activity, right now the spread moves up when ILBE inflation expectations move down, along with LIBOR-OIS (systemic). When Libor-ois gets flat while money market rates spread widens above Fed funds, if at the sane time inflation expectations move up and treasuries move down we have real inflation, Fed does not need to debase anymore...

 

Shorting tge 30 years is a hedge on end of money printing and Gold hiccup when that happens, then buy it back on real inflation, right now we have debasement, later we will have inflation (higher nominal wages).

 

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 17:21 | 2883082 ZeroAvatar
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Here's how I see it:  First, they're printing, right?  And they're gonna keep ON printing.  So that fiat is going to hit the economy, commodities and food are going UP in price (Inflation).

 

Second, there are no jobs, we're (in a depression) re-entering a recession, corporations' bottom lines are gonna suck.  Result?  Stock market going down.  We all know S&P will be AT 500, at some not-too-distant future point.

 

Third, everyone knows bonds are in a bubble, and that dog's just about ready to give up the hunt.

 

Conclusion?  Those fiat dollars have to go somewhere......the stock market isn't going to be the place, bonds aren't going to be the place.  Hmmmm.  Where will the smart money go? 

BTFDYFI!

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 18:08 | 2883212 Arcturus
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They are printing to support the banks so they can get that toxic debt off their books. The printing results in more debt, the debt will be paid by taxpayers. The taxpayers will have no money to increase the money velocity. All this results in deflation. The stock market going down is also deflationary as people get hammered especially those saving for retirement the largest of all demogrphics, so they MAY buy gold, maybe not. This group is deleveraging as fast as possible.

No jobs is deflationary. Gold rises with inflation. So when will that happen?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 23:28 | 2883501 honestann
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And gold rises in value with deflation too.  Why?  Because deflation turns the screws on everyone in debt... and today, almost everyone is deep, deep, deep in debt.  This naturally drives down prices of purchased goods versus gold, so the value of gold rises (where value is measured in terms of how much goods you can trade your gold for).

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 20:27 | 2883565 orangegeek
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If the Euro slides - probable - the US Dollar rises (57% of US Dollar is weighted against the Euro).

 

If the US Dollar rises, Gold in US Dollars will likely fall.

 

http://bullandbearmash.com/chart/gold-today/

 

If Europe gets things turned around quickly and gets their trillions in debt paid off and can solve their double digit unemployment in the next few months, gold may rise again.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 22:26 | 2883836 ZeroAvatar
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The dollar rising/falling depends on who's charting/talking.  Morris Hubbart, 321gold, sez dollar will 'long term' go to new lows sub 71.

 

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/sfs/hubbartt101212.html

 

Because when all else fails, and there really isn't anything else, THEY ARE GOING TO PRINT.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 22:06 | 2883795 Money 4 Nothing
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Because we won't have price discovery until it's too late. supression is the name of the game right now or the Bernanke model will be revealed as farcical. Just my opinion.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 22:19 | 2883824 ZeroAvatar
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Without googling it, what is it, Exeter's Pyramid?  People finally lose faith in ALL paper instruments,  leaving Gold as the last store of wealth.

 

Right now, who wants Real Estate?  Bonds?  (Maybe a few idiots left, there)  Stawks?  FUHGED....ABOUD....IT!

 

I personally believe there will be a rush to metals the likes of never seen before in the history of mankind.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 23:35 | 2883923 Venerability
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Tyler,

To answer your final question - Yes.

But via my preferred system - Technical Analysis of Propaganda - there is also the very real possibility of yet another small hedge fund trading from the Uber-leveraged Short side about to go under.

This is the standard end-of-week pattern when that is about to happen.

Probably one your friend Mr. Kaminsky likes. Or one can hope so.

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