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More Middle East Escalation: Turkey, Syria Bar Flights Over Each Other's Airspace
First, last Wednesday, Turkey intercepted a Syrian civilian jet suspected of carrying Russian weapons to Syria, forcing it to land in Turkey. The jet subsequently continued on its trip following stern denials from both Damascus and Moscow, and after Turkey found no evidence of its claim. Then yesterday, Syria promptly retaliated against this overt and unjustified aggression by banning all Turkish aircraft from crossing its airspace. Now, moments ago, Turkey retaliated to an act of retaliation against its own initial provocation, by barring all Syrian flights above its own airspace, and in the process preventing virtually all local airborne traffic from taking place. In other words: more mindless escalation which usually ends in a very unfortunate way.
What the Syria-Turkey border looks like:
More from Reuters:
Turkey banned all Syrian aircraft from its air space on Sunday, days after intercepting a Syrian airliner carrying what it said were Russian-made munitions for the Syrian army.
Asked if Syrian aircraft were now banned from Turkish air space, a Foreign Ministry official said: "Yes, civilian aircraft. Military aircraft were de facto banned way before."
Syria said on Saturday that it was banning Turkish civilian flights over its territory.
We eagerly await to learn what Syria's retaliation to this retaliaton to its retaliation to etc, etc, etc, will be, and how long it takes until either the national interest of the "western world" or the Russia-China axis is impaired, and how they react. Beacuse in the end, that's what it's all about.
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Air Space controlled by Air Heads
War is always about the money. In this case, syria and iran must be conquered for their oil, to build pipelins, and to maintain the petrodollar standard. All else is BS.
Nice CG. It's all about the pipelines. I see an Iraq - Turkey thing happening there and I can imagine that Syria has a cheap, flat, route of goatherder land to build a pipe through. I'm sure Syria would like to set up toll booths along the way. This is all just a negotiation of how much the fare will be.
edit: resurger nails this below
Hezbollah drone scanned Israel missile sites, main airfields: Report
Sun Oct 14, 2012
According to the UK newspaper Sunday Times, “The drone, which was airborne for three hours before being intercepted by an F-16 jet, is believed to have transmitted pictures of preparations for Israel’s biggest joint military exercise with the US army… as well as ballistic missile sites, main airfields and, possibly, its nuclear reactor in Dimona.”
The report also stated that the interception of the unmanned aerial vehicle was “botched” when the first missile fired by the Israeli warplane missed.
On October 12, Lebanese television Al Manar broadcast footage simulating how the resistance movement sent the drone deep into the Israeli airspace, evading radar systems.
Hezbollah Secretary General Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah confirmed the flight.
The operation, code-named Hussein Ayub (the ex-commander of Hezbollah air force who was martyred in 1996), saw Hezbollah’s drone fly hundreds of kilometers into the Israeli airspace and get very close to Dimona without being detected by advanced Israeli and US radars, Nasrallah said during a televised speech on October 11.
PS
All this Zillions of US taxpayers’ money wasted bankrupting the US economy.
Iranians' military capabilities grow very fast.
Oh, one more thing. Iran and China are friends. You know what I mean…
You mean after all the American billions taken from USA taxpayers and funneled into Israel's military machine that a few Hezbolla model airplane club members can fly a drone all over Israel without being detected?
I thought Israel's military were warrior gods which no man can stand against. They obviously need more USA tax dollars. Send billions! Tax grandma and grandpa, cancel pel grants, send the saved cash to the Israeli super heros who are the world's only salvation. Our elite guard in the Mid East needs more billions. Every American should gladly send their money.
Something that small might be taken as a large bird on radar, what gave it away was the fact birds don't make right angle manouvres. They should have given the guy on the controls a bottle of Whiskey before he came on shift.
Shit Hezbollah keeps humiliating the Israelis...
The report I read several days ago said that Israeli jets intercepted the drone as it flew south from Lebanon off the coast of Israel. They flew along side without disturbing it in order to observe what the drone would do. When the drone turned in-land, they waited until it had cleared populated areas before shooting it down.
It would be interesting to know which story is closest to the truth.
It's about two things. Pipelines and a Mediterranean sea port.
Syria's oil resources are not that great. The state of Texas produces over 1M bbl/day compared to Syria which produces less then 400k bbl/day. Other nations in the area, Yemen, Pakistan and Turkey produces less then Syria but just about other Muslim nation produces more. Oil as a resource in Syria is not a great factor. In addition to that, their oil is heavy crude instead of the light sweet crude.
"Security shambles as Hezbollah drone spies on Israeli army
AN IRANIAN drone beamed back live images of secret Israeli military bases in a security debacle that has raised questions about the Jewish state’s air defenses.
The drone, which was airborne for three hours before being intercepted by an F-16 jet, is believed to have transmitted pictures of preparations for Israel’s biggest joint military exercise with the US army, which began last week, as well as ballistic missile sites, main airfields and, possibly, its nuclear reactor in Dimona.
Middle East sources said the drone was launched from Lebanon by technicians from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, with the help of Hezbollah militants. The drone is believed to have been the new Shahed-129, which was unveiled by Tehran last month, with a range of up to 1,200 miles and a flight duration of 24 hours. Trying to explain why the drone was not detected, an Israeli defense source blamed “unfamiliar stealth."
Few comments:
It's not the oil it's the central bank they want oil is just the cream.
"syria and iran must be conquered for their oil"
Except that Syria isn't exactly a major oil producer.
but they're both mozzi countries. I thought the mozzis all liked each other and warrred around together against the great satan or something.
Turkey Moves Tanks to Hilltops Overlooking Syria
October 13, 2012
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Turkey_Moves_Tanks_to_Hilltops_Overlooking_Syria/21985/0/38/38/Y/M.htmlLong-John Silver, "Air Space controlled by Air Heads"
Perfectly stated.
Note the people of Turkey and Syria have no quarrel. This tit-for-tat childish tantrum is the product of Govts (politicians) vacuous and obnoxious egos
national borders are fabricated nonsense, authority is a dangerous vacuum... roll on the mindless toerags to fill the gap
This boils down to nothing more than "take that!" Of course, wars have been started for less.
The world can't afford a war just now; just huffing and puffing.
Or cannot afford not to have one?
Sad, but true.
Eventually, but not yet. The bankster will be ultimately make the determination, which of course comes as no surprise to anyone here.
The world needs to wait until after the election.
"The world can't afford a war"
That's what they said before WW1. The European countries were too interconnected. War would be disastrous. As it was.
I have read this nice article today
Syria-Iran-Iraq Gas pipeline
In July 2011, as the NATO and Gulf states’ destabilization operations against Assad in Syria were in full swing, the governments of Syria, Iran and Iraq signed an historic gas pipeline energy agreement which went largely unnoticed amid CNN reports of the Syrian unrest. The pipeline, envisioned to cost $10 billion and take three years to complete, would run from the Iranian Port Assalouyeh near the South Pars gas field in the Persian Gulf, to Damascus in Syria via Iraq territory. Iran ultimately plans then to extend the pipeline from Damascus to Lebanon’s Mediterranean port where it would be delivered to EU markets. Syria would buy Iranian gas along with a current Iraqi agreement to buy Iranian gas from Iran’s part of South Pars field.
South Pars, whose gas reserves lie in a huge field that is divided between Qatar and Iran in the Gulf, is believed to be the world’s largest single gas field. De facto it would be a Shi’ite gas pipeline from Shi’ite Iran via Shi’ite-majority Iraq onto Shi’ite-friendly Alawite Al-Assad’s Syria.
Adding to the geopolitical drama is the fact that the South Pars gas find lies smack in the middle of the territorial divide in the Persian Gulf between Shi’ite Iran and the Sunni Salafist Qatar. Qatar also just happens to be a command hub for the Pentagon’s US Central Command, headquarters of United States Air Forces Central, No. 83 Expeditionary Air Group RAF, and the 379th Air Expeditionary Wing of the USAF. In brief Qatar, in addition to owning and hosting the anti-Al-Assad TV station Al-Jazeera, which beams anti-Syria propaganda across the Arab world, Qatar is tightly linked to the US and NATO military presence in the Gulf.
Qatar apparently has other plans with their share of the South Pars field than joining up with Iran, Syria and Iraq to pool efforts. Qatar has no interest in the success of the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline, which would be entirely independent of Qatar or Turkey transit routes to the opening EU markets. In fact it is doing everything possible to sabotage it, up to and including arming Syria’s rag-tag “opposition” fighters, many of them Jihadists sent in from other countries including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Libya.
Further adding to Qatar’s determination to destroy the Syria-Iran-Iraq gas cooperation is the discovery in August 2011 by Syrian exploration companies of a huge new gas field in Qara near the border with Lebanon and near to the Russian-leased Naval port of Tarsus on the Syrian Mediterranean. Any export of Syrian or Iranian gas to the EU would go through the Russian-tied port of Tarsus. According to informed Algerian sources, the new Syrian gas discoveries, though the Damascus government is downplaying it, are believed to equal or exceed those of Qatar.
As Asia Times’ knowledgeable analyst Pepe Escobar pointed out in a recent piece, Qatar’s scheme calls for export of its huge gas reserves via Jordan’s Gulf of Aqaba, a country where a Muslim Brotherhood threat to the dictatorship of the King is also threatening. The Emir of Qatar has apparently cut a deal with the Muslim Brotherhood in which he backs their international expansion in return for a pact of peace at home in Qatar. A Muslim Brotherhood regime in Jordan and also in Syria, backed by Qatar, would change the entire geopolitics of the world gas market suddenly and decisively in Qatar’s favor and to the disadvantage of Russia, Syria, Iran and Iraq. That would also be a staggering negative blow to China.
As Escobar points out, “it's clear what Qatar is aiming at: to kill the US$10 billion Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline, a deal that was clinched even as the Syria uprising was already underway. Here we see Qatar in direct competition with both Iran (as a producer) and Syria (as a destination), and to a lesser extent, Iraq (as a transit country). It's useful to remember that Tehran and Baghdad are adamantly against regime change in Damascus.” He adds, “if there's regime change in Syria - helped by the Qatari-proposed invasion - things get much easier in Pipelineistan terms. A more than probable Muslim Brotherhood (MB) post-Assad regime would more than welcome a Qatari pipeline. And that would make an extension to Turkey much easier.”
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article36956.html
So at the end, the innocent pays the price for GAS!
Fuck Gov worldwide.
That article does not disclose the fact that they can ship nuclear weapons in the pipeline. The West cannot stand by and allow this to happen. National (US$ reserve currency status) Security! Thankfully the brave US politicians will come together to increase the debt ceiling just in time.
just a guess.
Real good digging... ;-)) Mr. Resurger
A related piece by Robert Newman on geopolitical tensions in the region leading up to WW1 and WW2 (all part of the same century long charade):
I am sure, many of you, like me, have never been entirely satisfied with the standard explanation we were given at secondary school for the causes and origins of the first world war: the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. I mean no one is that popular!
A somewhat more efficient cause might be the Berlin-Bagdad railway, commenced construction in the years leading up to the first world war, the royal navy had just switched from using coal to oil. the German navy follows suit but they don't have no oil producing colonies, no place in the sun, thus begins Drang nach Osten , the “drive to the east”, spine of which policy, is the Berlin-Bagdad railway. Now there’s already track laid from Berlin to Constantinople of course, it's called the Orient Express. The Germans just have to build the last 900 kilometres to take them clear into Bagdad but there is huge opposition to this project among the major European powers, the Russians, the French, the Dutch, the Belgians and the British. We’re opposed to this for two main reasons. Firstly, we recognize that we cannot compete with the Germans in engineering terms alone. Secondly, we know once this is built there ain’t nothing to stop a Munich businessman getting out at the Baghdad terminus with a Deutschebank chequebook, smashing our cartel. So a phoney war begins. Churchill, who is Minister for War and Air, dispatches to the Gulf Sydney Reilly , who is described in one leading textbook of the period as, I’m quoting now: “probably the most famous spy of the early 20th century”. Now call me naive about international espionage, but if you’re the most famous spy, you are the worst. And so it proves Sydney Reilly arrives in the Gulf. War breaks out because it’s a war to defend plucky Belgian neutrality remember, while the Belgians were pluckily defending Congolese rubber and ivory. The first British regiment to be deployed in the First World War, the Dorset regiment, goes to Basra, 1914, where it is joined by 51 other British divisions .
And the reason the first World War is not taught in our schools for the invasion of Iraq it was, is because your good war, your just war has always been presented as a one off. A discrete event was no more connected to other wars than consecutive production in the same musical because otherwise all the ‘just war’, ‘good cause’, ‘humanitarian arguments’… they begin to unravel if ever a war is seen to be part of a continuous foreign policy that has remained absolutely consistent for a decades.
Julia
what are you doing tonight?
I'll have to let my wife know I'll be gone for awhile
Escobar conflates Washington and Doha. His time-line is consistent with when the Troglodytes of Foggy Bottom awoke and discovered that the sky was blue in July 2011. Both Turkey and Qatar have been in the Syrian sandbox longer. Turkey is a long-term winner in the pipeline business no matter how one draws the lines. The Qatar-Iran melodrama has more inside petro-ball than Pepe lets on to, from competing extraction rates and gas's disrespectful migration across man's arbitrary map boundaries to GTL versus pipeline distribution.
From the link at the bottom of resurger 's post comes this line:
... prominent Washington neo-conservative Think Tank, The Brookings Institution ...
In reality, the Brookings Institute is a respository of thinkers more liberal than conservation, much less neo-conservative. But you don't have to take my word for it.
What else did they get wrong at that link?
Syria can't afford to draw in NATO
I think it's pretty obvious by now that it's Turkey that's trying to drag in NATO.
Why is the Turkish president doing it (apparently against the willl of most of his people) is a big question. Who is he in the pocket of: Israel? The US? Saudi Arabia?
Sorry, this isn't obvious at all... more likely is that Turkey is just a NATO chesspiece, with a huge stake in the outcome.
The F4 shot down, the mortar round escalation, and the forced landing of the civilian airliner are all calculated moves, and I cannot believe they are not all planned, aproved and agreed to beforehand...
Why did the Turks stop a plane travelling from Russia to Syria? They either nabbed a random plane to up tensions or they had reason to think it had armaments. If the second possibility is the case who gave the false info? This could have some interesting plot twists, you couls even say Byzantine.
No measurable amount of weapons and ammunition could be carried by a passeneger plane. A large cargo ship yes.
This was designed to piss the Russians off big style. I heard rumours NATO special forces are engaging Russian Special forces in Syria right now. This fecking thing could get out of hand very quickly.
The plane was carrying what the Russians called "radar parts" and other advanced electronic equipment. The Turks said, no, these are parts for a missile system. The Russians shrugged and said they were "dual use" items, i.e. either civilian or military use, and argued that was therefore legal cargo.
And the passengers, 17 short-haired Russian gentlemen all on their way to a restful holiday in sunny Damascus or Aleppo, said they were extremely upset to have guns pointed at them by the Turkish military police.
You've got your cart and horse reversed, slick.
Nope. You're only scratching the surface. Turkey is a proxy of NATO which is a proxy for American political interests which is a proxy for our owners the Federal Reserve. It's all about maintaining the US petrodollar. Additionally for the Turks, there is the religous aspect. Turks are Sunni moslems. Syria's government is not, but the population is majority Sunni.
Nope. You're only scratching the surface.Turkey is a proxy of NATO which is a proxy for American political interests which is a proxy for our owners the Federal Reserve. Which is a proxy for the Rothschild/Rockefeller/Warburg/Committeeof300/Illuminati/ SabateanFrankistSatanistZionist.
The U.S is nothing but a buttboy for the above.
Russia will not allow Syria or Iran to fall without a fight. I'm going out to buy Sun factor cream 1000000, it is a combination of lead oxide and yogurt, the only down side is if you wear it for too long your lips go blue.
"I think it's pretty obvious by now that it's Turkey that's trying to drag in NATO."
Actually, israel is trying to drag in NATO to try to drag in Turkey to try to drag in NATO and since Erdogan is a crypto-jew he will do what israel wants him to do.
RC, agreed. Whatever happens regionally benefits the kikenvermin.
Don't worry, Obama told them not to do anything till after the election.
I dont think the SCO wants to confront NATO directly yet. Things are not ready.
next thing you know they will banning Snookie.....the horror of it all
Snookie needs to be banned, she's the human version of a computer virus.
More like a slime mold with implants...it leaves a trail wherever it goes...
Household Net Worthless - Poverty Here We Come http://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/2012/10/household-net-w...
I wonder why the USSR is still on the map...
You don't map the USSR, the USSR maps you!
and cyprus is united
It's an old map probably, Free Map
SALT II
Russia is not going to help nat gas get to the EU. It would threaten GAZPROM revenues.
This is all not going to happen.
I traveled in Turkish and Iraqi Kurdistan in summer 2008
that was a trip. total powderkeg
Were you one of those jewish "hikers"?
lol, no
How was the cell phone coverage? Internet? Currencies you used?
I was only there for 2 weeks so no time for cell phones. I was traveling with this dude who worked for ASIS the australian equivalent of the CIA. He was in Afghanistan and was off on "decompression" time but we went to Iraq I heard he got fired for that one, lol. I was a 22 years old at the time so I wasn't afraid of anything. Used lira and dinars, maybe some USD
internet was alright but not great I remember the internet cafe in Dohuk Iraq. pretty slow but I managed to make a "post post posting from Iraq" for my buddies
The end of the world is near.
When Barack Obama announced the US (2010) national budget for this year, we experienced unprecedented feelings. Never before had an imperialistic power moved them to pity. This is unthought-of. This year’s deficit is estimated to be $1.6 trillion and its foreign debt has gotten completely out of hand. It hits numbers that only mathematicians and astrophysicists knew existed few decades ago. There is no space for these numbers in the electronic boards so it is driven to add new elements on them.
It all started with the big crisis of 1929. The American economy reached a deadlock because of its social "pathogenesis"; a deadlock that led it to economic crisis in a different - faster- pace than the rest of the industrial forces of that time. Important decisions had to be made - mostly social - and the Whites didn't like that, especially the Whites' rulers, the Anglo-Saxons.
www.eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2010/02/ten-plagues-of-pharaoh.html
Authored by Panagiotis Traianou
At first I read the Headline as "Bar Fights"
If only...
That's it!
We can avoid all this collateral damage, as much as that may pain a P-Krug, and just have a "Kumite" bloodsport where the towelheads of various flavors from SheeeitNeegroes to HezboLezbos can duke it out to settle our differences...all while generating PPV revenue to offset the debt.
Russia warms up to Iraq with arms deal
Amid a visit to Russia, Mr. Maliki has warned Turkey not to blow-up its differences with Syria and drag NATO into the conflict.
The veiled support for the Syrian government came soon after Baghdad revived its military ties with Moscow. Mr. Maliki, a close ally of Iran, asserted that Syria was not threatening Turkey, which should not seek NATO’s intervention.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/iraq-warns-turkey-not-to-drag...
Kids don't make me stop this global realpolitik!
Did anybody else glance at the headline and think Turkey and Syria got into a bar fight?
Kurdistan plus 1/2 million Syrian refugees=USA. The only Sovereign that wants us there is King Abdullah. And hopefully his lovely wife too...
This debacle is like a slow motion, "Train Wreck". If these morons had nukes, the whole Arabian Peninsula would be green glass.
Defcon 2. I have a hunch next week aint going to be pretty.
I love the smell of Defcon 2 in the morning
What are they crazy. Make love not war. Put some money into belly dancing. Drink some wine. Play some music. Have a good time. Just say no for Chrissakes.
+1 on the belly dancing! Belly dancing rules, like hoola hooping without the hoola hoop in the way!
USrael won't take these efforts sitting down. False flags been standard operation since Syria "conflict" began.
October 15 : new moon.
If Obummer bombs Tuesday's debate like he did the previous one, it will be bombs away, new moon or not.
The Benghazi cover-up gets buried. And if Hezbollah crawls out of the woodwork here in the States, Obummer can declare Martial Law and become Dictator for Life.
Baby Doc Dumbass for life, (until the military gets fed up and deposes him).
That's powerful stuff. Consider, there are far more "good guys" in the world than "bad guys", including the military, Pentagon, and millions of other players and people who want no part of WWIII. The fear bots don't want you to know this.
It's the Navy's mandate to arrest a rogue President, but other legal means are available to remove the guilty parties without burning the country down... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
Petro dollar *death throes*, Syria is either:
1. Not buying and selling oil in dollars
2. In the way of a pipeline
3. Both
With all respect to ZH which is usually great about reporting FACTS.
When you write:
That's a lie and misreperesentation.
From BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19940506
From your link:
Turkish officials confiscated what they described as munitions bound for Syria's defence ministry - an allegation disputed by Damascus.
Just because they were described as munitions doesn't mean that description held. It may have been changed after the BBC article was written. I've read elsewhere that Turkey confiscated electronic communications devices. Where does the truth lie?
The Turkish officials may well have been lieing and misrepresenting. Why didn't they show what they had discovered if there was something? Or did they just bury them at sea in the traditional Muslim manner?
World War III - The First Private War in History
Those who won all battles shall lose the war.
Bilderberg Group and the crimes against humanity.
This is how things work in all countries. Whatever used to belong to their people, today it belongs to the multinational companies of the Club. People were betrayed by their given leaderships and they lost everything. Capitals and markets were handed to the Club bosses. If you understand what is going on in Greece, you can understand what is going on in Britain, France, and Germany etc..
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/world-war-iii.html
Authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU
The Eastern gates of Europe at risk: How Northern Europe shoots itself in the leg
A country in the outmost Southeastern part of the EU has grasped the headlines for quite some time. With only 2% of the EU's economy and just 2.5% of its debt it became the "Witch" that is haunted by puritan Northern Europeans. It is claimed as the epicenter of laziness, lust and unproductively for the whole of the Continent, a bad example that pious Northerns should be feared and loath at the same time.
This country is Greece and it must be punished! But is it really the witch hunt that has started in 2009 the most stupid move ever made in the entire European history? Is it worth to blame Greeks for the lonely dark winters up in the North and for the depression syndrome that cripples the lives of dozens of millions northern Europeans, as if Greece makes the weather?
In reality the Northern Europeans risk of pushing Greece into the broader global community where it is going to be free from investing heavily in its defense of the Eastern gates of Europe and it will bring about the greatest change in the balance of powers that Europe has felt since the collapse of the Berlin war. This time Germany will not be re-united, rather it will has to pay a dear price for its energy security. Netherlands will not become richer; rather it will have to pay from its own pocket in order to save itself from the flood of narcotics and Asian immigrants.
Austria will not be greater, rather it will have to deal with powder-keg named "Balkans" that has markets Vienna's history.
How Northern Europe shoot its leg, in order to satisfy the populist sentiments of an electorate being used to the fairy tales of "bad witches and pious farmers".
Panagiotis Traianou answers to many of the aforementioned questions and gives a proper solution on his article entitled “GREECE RANKS AMONG THE WITCHES OF SALEM”
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/05/greece-among-salem-witches.html
the war against native americans took 100 years os so. Samething here just different place and time.
They found a bunch of TV dishes that COULD be used as radar dishes. I have some wool socks for the winter, they can also be used to make sticky bombs.
Does Turkey have the right to control their own airspace? If so, then banning flights from a neighbor that is sending shells and refugees across the border until the situation can be sorted out is prudent caution and self-defense. There might be an escalation, but not necessarily provocation. Saying "Don't come across the border, you are no longer welcome" is not the same thing as "We are coming across the border to invade you."