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Why Are Americans So Easy To Manipulate?

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Originally published by Bruce E. Levine at,

What a fascinating thing! Total control of a living organism!

— psychologist B.F. Skinner

The corporatization of society requires a population that accepts control by authorities, and so when psychologists and psychiatrists began providing techniques that could control people, the corporatocracy embraced mental health professionals.

In psychologist B.F. Skinner’s best-selling book  Beyond Freedom and Dignity  (1971), he argued that freedom and dignity are illusions that hinder the science of behavior modification, which he claimed could create a better-organized and happier society.

During the height of Skinner’s fame in the 1970s, it was obvious to anti-authoritarians such as Noam Chomsky (“The Case Against B.F. Skinner”) and Lewis Mumord that Skinner’s worldview—a society ruled by benevolent control freaks—was antithetical to democracy. In Skinner’s novel Walden Two (1948), his behaviorist hero states, “We do not take history seriously,” to which Lewis Mumford retorted, “And no wonder: if man knew no history, the Skinners would govern the world, as Skinner himself has modestly proposed in his behaviorist utopia.”

As a psychology student during that era, I remember being embarrassed by the silence of most psychologists about the political ramifications of Skinner and behavior modification.

In the mid-1970s, as an intern on a locked ward in a state psychiatric hospital, I first experienced one of behavior modification’s staple techniques, the “token economy.” And that’s where I also discovered that anti-authoritarians try their best to resist behavior modification. George was a severely depressed anti-authoritarian who refused to talk to staff, but for some reason, chose me to shoot pool with. My boss, a clinical psychologist, spotted my interaction with George, and told me that I should give him a token—a cigarette—to reward his “prosocial behavior.” I fought it, trying to explain that I was 20 and George was 50, and this would be humiliating. But my boss subtly threatened to kick me off the ward. So, I asked George what I should do.

George, fighting the zombifying effects of his heavy medication, grinned and said, “We'll win. Let me have the cigarette.” In full view of staff, George took the cigarette and then placed it into the shirt pocket of another patient, and then looked at the staff shaking his head in contempt.

Unlike Skinner, George was not “beyond freedom and dignity.” Anti-authoritarians such as George—who don’t take seriously the rewards and punishments of control-freak authorities—deprive authoritarian ideologies such as behavior modification from total domination.

Behavior Modification Techniques Excite Authoritarians

If you have taken introductory psychology, you probably have heard of Ivan Pavlov’s “classical conditioning” and B.F. Skinner's “operant conditioning.”

An example of Pavlov's classical conditioning? A dog hears a bell at the same time he receives food; then the bell is sounded without the food and still elicits a salivating dog. Pair a scantily clad attractive woman with some crappy beer, and condition men to sexually salivate to the sight of the crappy beer and buy it. The advertising industry has been using classical conditioning for quite some time.

Skinner's operant conditioning? Rewards, like money, are “positive reinforcements”; the removal of rewards are “negative reinforcements”; and punishments, such as electric shocks, are labeled in fact as "punishments." Operant conditioning pervades the classroom, the workplace and mental health treatment.

Skinner was heavily influenced by the book Behaviorism (1924) by John B. Watson. Watson achieved some fame in the early 1900s by advocating a mechanical, rigid, affectionless manner in child rearing. He confidently asserted that he could take any healthy infant, and given complete control of the infant’s world, train him for any profession. When Watson was in his early 40s, he quit university life and began a new career in advertising at J. Walter Thompson.

Behaviorism and consumerism, two ideologies that achieved tremendous power in the 20th century, are cut from the same cloth. The shopper, the student, the worker, and the voter are all seen by consumerism and behaviorism the same way: passive, conditionable objects.

Who are Easiest to Manipulate?

Those who rise to power in the corporatocracy are control freaks, addicted to the buzz of power over other human beings, and so it is natural for such authorities to have become excited by behavior modification.

Alfie Kohn, in Punished by Rewards (1993), documents with copious research how behavior modification works best on dependent, powerless, infantilized, bored, and institutionalized people. And so for authorities who get a buzz from controlling others, this creates a terrifying incentive to construct a society that creates dependent, powerless, infantilized, bored, and institutionalized people.

Many of the most successful applications of behavior modification have involved laboratory animals, children, or institutionalized adults. According to management theorists Richard Hackman and Greg Oldham in Work Redesign (1980), “Individuals in each of these groups are necessarily dependent on powerful others for many of the things they most want and need, and their behavior usually can be shaped with relative ease.”

Similarly, researcher Paul Thorne reports in the journal International Management (“Fitting Rewards,” 1990) that in order to get people to behave in a particular way, they must be “needy enough so that rewards reinforce the desired behavior.”

It is also easiest to condition people who dislike what they are doing. Rewards work best for those who are alienated from their work, according to researcher Morton Deutsch (Distributive Justice, 1985). This helps explain why attention-deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)-labeled kids perform as well as so-called “normals” on boring schoolwork when paid for it (see Thomas Armstrong’s The Myth of the A.D.D. Child, 1995). Correlatively, Kohn offers research showing that rewards are least effective when people are doing something that isn’t boring.

In a review of the literature on the harmful effects of rewards, researcher Kenneth McGraw concluded that rewards will have a detrimental effect on performance under two conditions:

“first, when the task is interesting enough for the subjects that the offer of incentives is a superfluous source of motivation;


second, when the solution to the task is open-ended enough that the steps leading to a solution are not immediately obvious.”

Kohn also reports that at least 10 studies show rewards work best on simplistic and predictable tasks. How about more demanding ones? In research on preschoolers (working for toys), older children (working for grades) and adults (working for money), all avoided challenging tasks. The bigger the reward, the easier the task that is chosen; while without rewards, human beings are more likely to accept a challenge.

So, there is an insidious incentive for control-freaks in society—be they psychologists, teachers, advertisers, managers, or other authorities who use behavior modification. Specifically, for controllers to experience the most control and gain a “power buzz,” their subjects need to be infantilized, dependent, alienated, and bored.

The Anti-Democratic Nature of Behavior Modification

Behavior modification is fundamentally a means of controlling people and thus for Kohn, “by its nature inimical to democracy, critical questioning, and the free exchange of ideas among equal participants.”

For Skinner, all behavior is externally controlled, and we don’t truly have freedom and choice. Behaviorists see freedom, choice, and intrinsic motivations as illusory, or what Skinner called “phantoms.” Back in the 1970s, Noam Chomsky exposed Skinner’s unscientific view of science, specifically Skinner’s view that science should be prohibited from examining internal states and intrinsic forces.

In democracy, citizens are free to think for themselves and explore, and are motivated by very real—not phantom—intrinsic forces, including curiosity and a desire for justice, community, and solidarity.

What is also scary about behaviorists is that their external controls can destroy intrinsic forces of our humanity that are necessary for a democratic society. Researcher Mark Lepper was able to diminish young children’s intrinsic joy of drawing with Magic Markers by awarding them personalized certificates for coloring with a Magic Marker. Even a single, one-time reward for doing something enjoyable can kill interest in it for weeks.

Behavior modification can also destroy our intrinsic desire for compassion, which is necessary for a democratic society. Kohn offers several studies showing “children whose parents believe in using rewards to motivate them are less cooperative and generous [children] than their peers.” Children of mothers who relied on tangible rewards were less likely than other children to care and share at home.

How, in a democratic society, do children become ethical and caring adults? They need a history of being cared about, taken seriously, and respected, which they can model and reciprocate.

Today, the mental health profession has gone beyond behavioral technologies of control. It now diagnoses noncompliant toddlers with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, oppositional defiant disorder, and pediatric bipolar disorder and attempts to control them with heavily sedating drugs. While Big Pharma directly profits from drug prescribing, the entire corporatocracy benefits from the mental health profession’s legitimization of conditioning and controlling.


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Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:02 | 2887867 Rakshas
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USA USA USA........ETC ETC.....

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:05 | 2887876 Rakshas
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even the most intelligentl argument boils down to engaging the mine is bigger than yours emotion...... that's why junior ,,,,,, that's why

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:32 | 2887953 francis_sawyer
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Why are Americans so easy to manipulate?...


Because Jews have figured out that they have [gullible Americans] by the propaganda short hairs & are intent on squeezing every drop out of that advantage for their personal enrichment until we're milked drier than a 99 year old goat... I'll get a bunch of junks for this comment [half will be from Jews themselves ~ the other half will be from the same politically correct gullible Americans who I mentioned above]... In the end, the truth will set you free (but prepared to be hated for speaking the truth)...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:40 | 2887969 Clashfan
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Speaking of Jews, 99-year old goats, and manipulators, count one less of all three:

Say goodbye to the creator of the "magick bullet" theory. Not that he ever faced justice for that whopper of a lie.

With that said, not all of the manipulators are "Jews," Francis.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:00 | 2888018 AlaricBalth
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"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country"
Edward Bernays

To combat a manipulative force, one must realize it exists. Most people choose to be blissfully ignorant, while some of us would choose to endure the pain of knowing the truth. And only when one knows the truth can hope be attained and the seeds for transformation be sown.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:28 | 2888089 resurger
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yeah, and i hate those fucking polls on Bloomberg and CNBC or about a certain topic and what we think..

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 22:15 | 2889049 francis_sawyer
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AlaricBalth says the same things that francis_sawyer does (without typing 'Jew')... Therefore the  up down ratio is 20-0 (as I type this)...

This pretty much underlines my thesis...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 23:55 | 2889158 JOYFUL
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Yes Francis, but why the in-ordinate interest in votes? If you're secure in your reasoning, your point stands, junks or no junks...

in point of fact, you have stated much the same as I thought when reading the article - that all this talk of 'psychology' masked a simpler truth, and does so of purpose...the modern science of 'mental health' is a bogus racket designed to mislead people into believing "those voices in your head aren't real"....indeed, they are...the sio-nazi technologies of mind control that now overlay every waking moment of the Euromerikan prison inmate are a terrifying imposition of psychic domination by the sionist overlords which compliment the economic and social control mechanism being rapidly cemented into place...

the simpler truth is this: the refinement of medieval cabbalist technology into a nightmare concoction of of black majic scientificism by khazarian kooks of malevolent intent has rendered the Europoid peoples powerless and witless both - and Euromerika iteself a gigantic insane asylum ruler over by the 'jewish* [witch] doctors of modern "medicine"


*this term need refinement, as the actual controllers and perps are millenialist sabbatean frankists who masquerade as jews in order to use that smokescreen to manipulate both the hebraics and the goys alike.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 04:32 | 2889305 Muppet of the U...
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The singularity is coming.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:37 | 2888113 FreedomGuy
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It is an interesting phenomenon but people will often vote for the lie even though their instincts tell them to do otherwise. This is the basis for tht modern collectivist state. We can all have it all for virtually no effort if we will just surrender everything to the gods of government. THEY will dispense justice, fairness, compassion and results in life perfectly...and at a bargain price, I might add.

Collectivists lure the proles in with the "for just the price of one pizza night out each month you can have more..." when they want more of your tax money. That is a real line by the way from the Clinton era. The other one that seems more popular now is "If we just tax the rich...not YOU at this higher rate you will get more free stuff." Some other invisible person with unlimited tax charity is always theoretically behind the curtain ready to buy you more stuff. And if they refuse to buy you stuff you can believe they are evil and greedy for wanting to keep their stuff. Give government more power to take other people's stuff for you and it will all end well.

Lies are not always unpopular.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:58 | 2888581 Dr. Sandi
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Lies are just the sugar the helps the medicine go down.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:15 | 2888618 Rossalgondamer
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- it helps to wash that lie down with NaF,

as opposed to CaF2

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 02:15 | 2889263 FreedomGuy
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Yes, because the lies are what people WANT to believe. Your point is well taken, though.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:38 | 2889205 All Risk No Reward
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“In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason.”
~Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:00 | 2888020 francis_sawyer
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The "non -Jew" manipulators are, themselves, controlled &/or bribed [thru financial incentives] into doing the Jew bidding...

Look... let's cut the bullshit... Even though this article was well written... In the end, it's just more propaganda & subterfuge... Create an 'intellectual' dilemma & create a cast of a million characters involved in a complex plot that is really, in the end, a simple story of a race whose main objective isn't to be your friend... It's to get into your pocket & steal your money while you're wondering what the hell just happened...

It's gone on like this across aeons of recorded history & across many continents...

What's the solution?...

I'm sorry to say there IS NO SOLUTION... Why?... Because things don't change that easily... So ~ I'm not inclined to go out & spray paint graffitti on synagogues (that has little or nothing to do with it &, in fact, is what they want you to do so there becomes a REASON to propagandize their supposed oppression)...

So all you are left with is the choice to conscientiously OBJECT to humans who choose to behave in that manner (& try not to let them get into your pocket & steal your gold)... That's about all you can do... As for all you 'junkers' out there... Good luck with your gold... You're gonna need (both)...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 22:09 | 2889044 francis_sawyer
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I guess, in this context, that means BOTH of y'all who have EARNED IT... & also those who have STOLEN IT... May righteousness prevail... (that part I'm not worried about)...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:10 | 2888185 zerozulu
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God promised Holy Land to Jews and they converted it into a hell for them self surrounded by 14' high concrete walls. Being their friend, American are also left with no place to find refuge in bad times.

A friend of mine went to Italy for a weak long trip. After a few bar fights he decided not to tell people that he is from America but Canada.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 23:14 | 2889122 Overfed
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Now if only that fuckin' George Soros would kick the bucket......

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:15 | 2888063 resurger
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Krugman junked you there.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:50 | 2888144 FreedomGuy
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I am not Jewish, although that is really irrelevant and I am the last person to be politically correct. However, your comment are so incredibly stupid and I am really chagrined that there are so many short bus intellectuals that agree. The conspiracist always congratulate himself on his superior inside knowledge and understanding. The fewer the number of people who believe the same, the wiser the conspiracist.

Look, let's suppose for just an ugly second that what you say is true and that Jewish masterminds have taken control of Americans. How did you escape? Is the muslim trained Obama a pawn?  How is it that Jews have been so smart and successful that they could be in such power...worldwide? They did it without armies or taking over governments!  Hitler must have had it wrong! The Jews must be the master race! They are friggin' geniuses who have survived centuries of peoples who want to subjugate or eliminate them! Yet, they rise to power? They deserve to rule if the rest of us are so inferior we cannot achieve the same things or control our own destiny. If they collude for power it is because governments and their people give them that power.

How about a whole different paradigm? How about that totalitarian governments are bad even if they are run by Jews, Russians, Chinese, Cubans or White evangelical protestants? The problem is government, power and collectivist crap that paves the way to hell. These problems would still exist if Jews (or any other ethnic group) had never existed.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:35 | 2888225 francis_sawyer
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Different paradigm?

It's always been the SAME paradigm in the passing from monarchial rule to the modern nation state...

- Jews financed Napoleon (which was a part of ending French monarchy)

- Jews financed the Bolsheviks... for that matter, they WERE the Bolsheviks [with paper money funding]... (who ousted the Tsar)

- Jews still control the British monarchy (the 'Windsor' family tree)...

- Don't even start with me on the United States of America "corporation" [since 1871]... The same connection was responsible for the UNWITTING passage by the United Nations (the PHOENIX from the previously failed LEAGUE OF NATIONS)... of what became the APARTHEID STATE OF ISRAEL... It was a 'Rothschild' concoction from the very beginning ~ & the little Beanie Baby that was, isn't going to stop until it controls all the land from the Suez Canal to the Tigris & Euphrates Rivers... While dipshits like yourself are asleep, of course...

Are you a dipshit? or do you just play one on TV?... I guess you still think goatherding towelheads who cook up nano-thermite in caves while sharpening up boxcutters flew planes into buildings a dozen years ago as well... [rolls eyes]...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 01:43 | 2889249 FreedomGuy
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Well, you might notice that caucasian Europeans financed Napoleon, too. France helped finance our revolution. You might also notice that many Jews supported the American Revolution, as well such as Chaim Solomon and Aaron Lopez both of whom went bankrupt trying to help finance the revolution. You might even notice that Romans, Mongols, Arabs, Persians, Greeks, and many others have controlled Suez to the Tigris you historical dispshit! What should we make of that? Aha! Mongol conspiracies! You might notice caucasian Europeans have controlled and conquered virtually all of the know world at one time or another! What should be done with that racial group? Communism had real world domination plans and acted on them. Were they more dangerous than Jews?

So, unseen Jews control the British monarchy? Really? Let's say it is true for a nanosecond. So what? What does it mean? They seem pretty caucasian otherwise. What if they were French, Swedish or Asian? Does the monarchy control Britain? Not last I checked. What is the end game there? They will suddenly unmask themselves in the future and declare a Jewish monarchy? Who do you suppose will submit to that?

Jews are not any more of a problem, actually less than anyone else. When I trained for the Army we had no war plans for Jewish invasion. Then, I would have ranked Soviets, communists, Arab terrorists and home grown statists of any race as a far bigger threat than anything you can whip up with Jewish conspiracies. The only Jews I despise are the collectivist-statist types...and not because they are Jews, but because of their elitist views. I despise statists and the morons who keep giving the beast more power. If Jews are stupid enough to keep giving states more power after Adolf, Stalin and varioius old school monarchs then it will be their undoing as well as ours.

Yeah, I do believe Arabs flew planes into the World Trade center. There is no particular point to anyone else doing it. Besides it would take a conspiracy of thousands of people worldwide to pull it off and some would rat out the whole process. Until someone puts together the definitive alternate version and brings forth witnesses to and inside the conspiracy I will go with what is most likely true. I believe governments do bad things on a thousand levels. That is why I hate them, but if what you said were really really true and you believed it, it would be cause for open revolution. Go ahead an roll your eyes. It is not a substitute for logic. It is rather puerile. 

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 03:48 | 2889297 Tango in the Blight
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The Manhattan Project was a conspiracy involving over 100.000 people and not one of them spilled the beans before it was ofiicially made public. So there you go.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:49 | 2890633 FreedomGuy
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The Manhattan project was a secret military project to develop a weapon to win a grinding world war. It had or would have had popular support therefore people could participate in good conscience. Plus, no 100k people participated in it to the extent they saw the full picture. Do you suppose all of them would have kept quiet if it was a conspiracy to murder their fellow citizens instead of our war enemies?

Bad analogy.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:10 | 2889171 Lore
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"The conspiracist always congratulate himself on his superior inside knowledge and understanding. The fewer the number of people who believe the same, the wiser the conspiracist."

Did you make that up? It's garbage.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 01:53 | 2889250 FreedomGuy
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Partly. The other idea I have heard quoted is that the less information and proof there is, the better the conspiracy. It rings true from from various things I've read.

How about this? Looking ahead to any future event, economic, military or social will there not be new conspiracy theories? Yes, there will. There will always be the shadowy conspiracy alternate reality version. You know it and I know it. It is a way of life nowadays. People love them and Oliver Stone will make a movie out of them.

If you say it is garbage then it must be so. I expect you must be a well published authority on the topic.

I say there is enough stuff right in front of our eyes to deal with that the conspiracies pale in comparison. There are enough visible conspiracies to keep us busy. Anyone want to audit the Fed, Fort Knox and the stimulus spending? There are real, logical and fairly visible collusions of power there. Is Corzine still free?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 15:11 | 2891622 Lore
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Simpler explanation, coming from a political background: lies come in layers.

When you tell a lie, tell big lies... In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility... In the primitive simplicity of [the mind of the masses] they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1926, p. 472

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 01:33 | 2889240 bunnyswanson
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Maybe the strongest DNA survived the multiple attempts to wipe out their race.  Maybe they want to be sure that it will never happen again.  Maybe their religious beliefs direct them to conquer and destroy. 


Evian conference ended with one nation out of over 100 attending to accept 100,000 German Jewish people fleeing.  Just one nation.  That had to have had a significant detrimental impact on their hope to be saved.


If it was not devious, we would not be in the dark about what is transpiring around us.  If we knew, perhaps we'd never agree to it.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:57 | 2890668 FreedomGuy
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Well, if you told me that Jews have developed some survival instincts over the centuries, I might agree. However, many of them still favor powerful centrally planned states which in the end are always everyone. If the Jews financed the Bolsheviks you can be sure they regretted it not long after.

Exactly what religious beliefs would have them conquer and destroy? If that were true they would have conquered all their hostile neighbors. They are 5-0 on wars with the surrounding Arab neighbors, yet they have never occupied a single capital even though they could have. They fight primarily defensive wars and limit themselves to essentially their traditional ancient lands.

What is transpiring is right in front of our eyes. We have moved to a democratic socialist state. We are firmly planted and the roots grow deeper. That is worth resisting and reversing. You have plenty of people right in front of you to oppose if you are against a powerful state.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:18 | 2888193 tbd108
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Bismarck, the man who conceived of the socialist state in the late 19th century for the purpose of controlling the people of Germany and who created the model for socialist states all of the world (created for the same purpose) was not Jewish. Try again asshole.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:31 | 2888646 francis_sawyer
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Neither was Rockefeller... [which is why I maintain the 'financed by' comment above]...

Stop being a dipshit... It has almost nothing to do with some person born to some pre-destiny... It has EVERYTHING to do with a group that "has control of a money supply' being co-opted by special interests...

& it's not that this hasn't been obvious during the "post-monarchy" period of nation states... It's simply that, in the meantime, the Jews have managed to establish a stranglehold on mass media (which = PROPAGANDA)... Over a century ~ it's all been whittled down to 6 major outlets (all controlled by Jews) ~ that tell you the story [AKA ~ 'rewrite' history]... You are evidently a willing subject...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 18:56 | 2888772 tbd108
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There is something very human about attempting to simplify the world into something that is understandable. This is the type of thinking that makes people think the Jews are behind all that is evil. I recommend you look inside yourself for the demons you see in the Jews. If you are fortunate enough to cleanse yourself of these impurities, you will lead a much happier life.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 19:41 | 2888823 francis_sawyer
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Gee thanks... I'll take that under advisement... Let me summarize... As soon as I blindly accept that ALL JEWS = GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE + GOOD FOR MY LIFE & HUMANITY... My life will be salvaged & all good will finally come my way... Furthermore... I should KILL all those opposed to that ideal...

I'll sleep on it & let you know in the morning... Hopefully, someday, I will be 'cleansed'... Until then... Regretfully, I'll remain the VAGRANT & IMPURE person that you & all the Apartheid State of Israel Jews consider me to be...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:16 | 2888878 tbd108
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I'm a Lutheran.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:34 | 2888920 francis_sawyer
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I don't give a flying fuck who you align yourself with... The fact that you DO [align with a sect ~ for self assurance] tells me about everything I need to know...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 21:05 | 2888973 tbd108
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Old saying: Don't fight with a pig because you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 21:16 | 2888986 francis_sawyer
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I'm so happy, therefore... you 'enjoyed' our moment in time together...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 23:09 | 2889113 tbd108
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"I know you are, but what am I?" PeeWee Herman, "PeeWee's Big Adventure"

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 23:21 | 2889130 SWIFT 760
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Yeah Francis. I truly appreciate your courage and accuracy detailing Jewshit hijacking of media, gvt and banks. Jews are stealing, lying, cheating, murdering, raping, extortiing, etc. 

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:02 | 2889164 tbd108
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You two are getting me mixed up with a pig and with Francis Buxton. I think you both should start smoking a more expensive brand or alternatively, stop handing out your passwords to the dimwitted neighborhood racist jerk.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:15 | 2889176 Lore
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tbd108: "I recommend you look inside yourself..."


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:49 | 2889218 tbd108
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I admit that I have been having some fun with a couple of intellectual lightweights which I suppose does mean I was "easy or unconstrained, as actions or manners" which is the 2nd definition of glib.  However I believe that people who truly believe that Jews are the root cause of the world's problems and that the world would be a better place if the Jews were rounded up and killed are truly no good, dimwitted, jackasses and don't deserve to be taken seriously. There is no honest tradition, intellectual, spirtual, or religious that supports such low-end belief. So as far as I am concerned, these south-end of north bound mules, can shove.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:28 | 2889194 Anusocracy
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It took fifty generations for the Russians to selectively breed silver foxes into domesticated pets.

Fifty generations to breed Jewish bankers into the jackal banksters we have today is completely doable.

That would be about a thousand years or so, depending on the competition between them.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 02:09 | 2889259 FreedomGuy
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Well said, tbd. If the "Jews"are behind it then we gave them the power and we are all idiots. It really would not be any better if they were all Swedish, Russian or Nepalese. Jews have no world dominating armies and they are not a majority in our government/s. If they have power it is because stupid citizens surrendered their power to government and then government gave to "them". So, let's say the same conspiracies existed but they were all French or Chinese. Would frenchness or yellow skin be the problem...or would it be govenments, central planning and collectivism? Think it through. Maybe it would be better if it was Italian mafia.

It is amazing to me how they have survived over the centuries with so much hostility and outright efforts at extermination and subjugation. It gives indirect support to the evangeical Christian beliefs about them. 

So, for all who believe the Jewish conspiracies, what is the end game for the Jews that is unique to Judiasm and what is your end game for the Jews? Should we seize all their property, money and exile them to Israel just for being Jewish?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 17:25 | 2891946 vened
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"Jews <snip> are not a majority in our government/s."


Of the eleven(11) current and former senior advisors of President Barack Obama, nine(9) are Jews, partial Jews, or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 82%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the current and former senior advisors of President Barack Obama by a factor of 41 times(4,100 percent).


Of the nine(9) U.S. Supreme Court justices, four(4) are Jews or partial Jews. This is a numerical representation of 44%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the U.S. Supreme Court justices by a factor of 22 times(2,200 percent).

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 18:05 | 2892302 FreedomGuy
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What percentage of the Congress and executive branches of government? Who appointed them to the Supreme Court and Obama's staff? What percentage of all bureaucracies? What percentage of voters? If you look at Hollywood, the Arts, law, medicine, etc. do you think Jews are over or underrepresented? Was Einstein bad because of his ethnicity? What percentage of basketball and football are black? What percentage of convenience store owners are East Indian? Maldistributions are normal as different people gravitate towards different professions. Jews are similar to Asians in that they achieve far above the average in educational attainment and professional degrees. I will add that it seems they are skewed heavily towards modern statism- liberalism. How many of the Supremes are Jewish conservatives? How much of Reagan and Bush's staff were Jewish compared to Obama, Clinton And Dems in general? Let's take an educated guess. It's the ideology.

I would vote a Jewish conservative-libertarian like Mark Levin or Milton Friedman in long before a WASPy Caucasian. I would vote for a Tom Sowell or Walter Williams before anyone of any race or ethnicity. It's what they believe that makes the difference. Would you prefer a white Russian communist?

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 00:56 | 2893179 vened
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Freedman Guystein wrote:

" If you look at Hollywood <snip> you think Jews are over or underrepresented?"

Of the twelve(12) senior executives of the “Big Six” media corporations, nine(9) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 75%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the senior executives of the “Big Six” media corporations by a factor of 37.5 times(3,750 percent).

Of the sixty(60) senior executives of the major Hollywood studios, trade unions, and talent agencies, fifty(50) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 83%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the senior executives of the major Hollywood studios, trade unions, and talent agencies by a factor of 41.5 times(4,150 percent).

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 03:01 | 2893279 FreedomGuy
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I knew they were over represented. It is my point about maldistributions.

What is your point? What is your solution, if any?

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:31 | 2897238 FreedomGuy
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BTW, FreedomGoy would be more appropriate.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:20 | 2888194 tbd108
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Sun, 10/14/2012 - 19:38 | 2888821 lotsoffun
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wow - and talk about a up and down arrows.  wow.  francis - that is pretty inflammatory.    i got deleted because i said (and will probably again) that american women generally have big fat ... celluite cow bodies and if you go anywhere else on the planet - woman are generally slim and trim and even well into older life. 

i don't give this 5 minutes......  so i wonder who is really running the show :) 

just all in having a lot of fun.


Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:20 | 2888887 Cathartes Aura
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thank gawd the amrkn menz are so fit 'n' toned. . . oh, and geniuses, and really wealthy too!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 02:11 | 2889261 FreedomGuy
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Wealthiest population in the world.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:36 | 2887958 Gully Foyle
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Asshole topic.


Fuck one of you dumbshits could pick up Dale Carnegie and start manuevering the people around with no effort.

Then you could pop in a little body language, NLP, Hypnosis scripts and rythms, and carnie tricks.

Americans are no different from anyone else to a skilled craftsman.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:13 | 2888055 Real Estate Geek
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Good old Gully.  One of the few who makes me hate myself after I click the up arrow.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:04 | 2888173 savagegoose
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why dont you exercise your freewill and click the down arrow instead?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:54 | 2888568 oldman
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Gully, please,

we are a stupid people     

as to the 'Why' of this      too big a question for such a tiny-brained blog      om

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:36 | 2889204 Anusocracy
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Read The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt.

It will help in understanding how screwed up our brains really are.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:22 | 2889182 Lore
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No. They are not. There is always a fraction that sees through things -- usually ~10% of the population, though it varies depending on the sample.  We are part of that minority.

The hardest are those who see it. Know your enemy, and you take away his power.

Just for kicks sometime, let a hynotist try to hynotize you.  Pretend to go along initially, and then expose him for an idiot.

You can do the same when Greens try to manipulate you at Town Hall meetings for their Green Agenda. Pretend to cooperate with the Delphi Technique, and then rip them to shreds.


Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:32 | 2888096 SubjectivObject
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Amerwrecka!  USlessA's ... USlessA's ... USlessA's !

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:25 | 2888207 seataka
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repetition alone speaks to the subconscious - which is always listening.... see Conditioned Reflex Therapy by Salter

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:24 | 2888208 oldman
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I don't care about being first, so I waited until the evidence was posted above to say:

Even without having read the article, the answer is:

WE "AMERICANS" are STUPID!   So easy to answer this question      om

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:02 | 2887869 Troll Magnet
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the country's just too big. would be better if states seceed one by one.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:05 | 2887879 cossack55
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Secede hell. There are about 40 states that need the boot.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:44 | 2887974 FeralSerf
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Who would support the military-industrial complex then?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:08 | 2888041 Troll Magnet
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i'll chip in a silver dime...on second thought, nah.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:17 | 2888067 Henry Hub
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Right! The only thing left keeping this economy going, in this country, is military-industrial Keynesianism It's the only manufacturing base left. It's really surprising that many people what rant and rail about Keynesian policies have no trouble with military-industrial Keynesianism

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:45 | 2888132 Disenchanted
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"It's really surprising that many people what rant and rail about Keynesian policies have no trouble with military-industrial Keynesianism"

That's because they're so easily manipulated. They've been conditioned to equate that(support the military without question) with patriotism.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:53 | 2888574 Abitdodgie
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I talked to a vet ( as in animals) yesterday and he had never seen any bad info on GMO's for animals and swore blind that we grow GMO's because somebody has to feed the world and yes he thinks that goat men did 911 , so on the one hand Americans can be very inteligent and completly stupid.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:59 | 2888584 seataka
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Being willing to stuck one's hand and arm up to your shoulder,  up a cow's (deleted) is not necessarily a sign of intelligence.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:28 | 2888904 Cathartes Aura
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perhaps there is a need to redefine intelligence beyond someone's ability to memorise and regurgitate, or act on what was memorised.

your vet is trained to do a specific "job" in a specialist sort of way - he doesn't have to think critically about anything, including the animals in his treatment rooms, all he need do is listen to the salespersons who are tasked to sell him shit that he can re-sell for profit - be it pet pharma, or "Science Diet" foodstuffs, or medical procedures for animals.  they don't profit from NOT selling GMO corn laced dry foods, but they DO profit from treating pet diabetes.  big time.

there's a reason they all try to get one on their "pet insurance" plans. . .

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 02:18 | 2889264 bunnyswanson
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"Cancer is the leading cause of death among dogs and cats in the U.S., Europe and Japan. In fact, your pet is more likely to get cancer than you are. More than half of all dogs will die of cancer, and some breeds have even higher rates of death from the disease."

-- Dr. Karen Becker, DVM

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:27 | 2888215 zerozulu
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You are not the only one thinking in this direction. We are watching history in the making. Arab spring is direct result of American diminishing power. China, Russia and Pakistan are doing the same thing to America, and that is bleeding only super power to death, one $Billion at a time. Exactly the way USSR was destroyed.



Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:32 | 2888647 illyia
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You know, ZZ, that is actually true.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:30 | 2888912 Cathartes Aura
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pattern recognition.  there are definitely deliberate patterns followed. . .

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:30 | 2887900 Jam Akin
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The US public education system was indeed constructed deliberately to achieve this end state.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:03 | 2888027 zerozulu
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A step before manipulation is brain washing.


Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:54 | 2888151 Ignatius
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John Taylor Gatto has done extensive research on this very topic.  He is a retired NYC teacher.  Well worth the effort to hear what he has uncovered in the history of universal, compulsory schooling.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:30 | 2889189 Lore
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Students bored with the system are often bright.

Anybody at a working class school who doesn't keep his/her head down and shut up gets dosed with Ritalin...

Public sedation...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:48 | 2888500 Zadok
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This article is a fascinating subject. I am going to add a number of the references to my reading list.

Interacting with people constantly makes me ask what is going on in their heads? Usually the thought revolves around something like 'Surely they can't be that simple?'. Unfortunately it is almost always true, they are. For the ones that aren't, I try to encourage some sort of friendship. Fundamentally, with the simple, anything intelligent is beyond them, so I just nod, say uh-huh, and wait for the oppoutunity to politely exit the conversation while in my mind wondering how they remember to breathe.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 18:13 | 2888701 SHRAGS
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For more references to get started see the following torrents:

Operation Mind Control by Walter Bowart

The Encylopedia of Mind control by Jim Keith

Denis Cuddy Mental Health Screening - How Will it Affect Your Children (2005)


Also see "Battle For the Mind -The Mechanics of Indoctrination, Brainwashing and Thought Control" by William Sargant (not available online), see review.




Sat, 10/20/2012 - 14:56 | 2906640 mkkby
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If you really are that smart, then take the next step.  What do you do with 50+ million inner city people, who have no social skills, but own a lot of guns and are ready to riot at the drop of a hat?  Perhaps you give them some meager rewards - a basic living on food stamps, medicaid and section 8 - and hope they leave the rest of society alone to be happy and productive.

Maybe that manipulation isn't so evil, after all.  Perhaps these terrible psychologists realized 100 years ago that there is a certain segment of society that will never have the skills to compete, and managing them is the safest, easiest solution.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:06 | 2887880 Lohn Jocke
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"She was asking to get raped, I mean, look at what she was wearing,"

Doctrine of First Effective Settlement in the south, descended from a plantation society, minority rules and the weak must be told what to do. The "Raiload, west settlers" subsidized colonization, dependent on corporations (railoads etc.). There's you majority or culturally subservient Americans right there. But we could go further:


Bombard us with a need to consume. But what happens when we cannot cunsume further?

Oh look. Football is on!

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:29 | 2887887 Zero Govt
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it's the rational brain that's at fault

the sheeples rational brain cannot overcome the sensation that Govt must be there for a rational reason, that politicians cannot be lying worthless charlatans, they must be doing something right, society cannot in "all sanity and reason" be so fooled to accept a purely parasitical, entirely negative and destructive institution (despite mountains of hard evidence to the contrary)

the ignorance of rationality has overcome all the hard evidence

I tried to get Reggie to bite regards his love of rational thought ..because rationality adds no value to your thoughts and if you don't realise how it perverts your thinking, you don't realise you're being conned and worse, your rational brain is actually helping to con you

rationality and reason: most over-rated thinking style in history.. that's the problem with the masses, they think politicians, parties and Govt cannot be 100% pure thieving scum

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:45 | 2887955 Zero Govt
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if the rational thinking junkers would like to offer a reasoned argument i'd be delighted to hammer your ignorance into the ground

i'll even be so generous as to chip in for a tombstone:

'Rationality & Reason Died Here - At Long Last'

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:20 | 2888078 Henry Hub
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And how did you come to these conclusions? Through raw emotions?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:50 | 2888143 SubjectivObject
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Raw emotions? 

I propose a refinement of that notion:  The always and continuosly operative mammalian emotions.  Refined through hundreds of millions of years of evolution, this is the default controlling psychological basis for the socialized human entity.  The "language" and speed of wordless emotional processing to a conclusion by the emotional "brain" is magnitudes faster than the process of thinking, rationalizing, so emotion, in default, without conscious understanding of itself,  leads.  That's not to deny that a realization may come in a flash, but this is a singularity event rather than the more or less continuous state of animaline emotional realization. 

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:18 | 2888195 Henry Hub
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Ok, mammalian emotions, what ever you want to call it. It's a quality that is present in everyone, but a quality that must be controlled by reason. Reason and self awareness are what separates us from other animals. It is the "mammalian emotions" that the propagandists and the control freaks like Skinner try to appeal to and control.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:09 | 2888572 Zero Govt
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if you read between the lines of my statement logic/reason adds no value you would understand the missing link is knowledge. Knowledge is what makes man progress, it's the only thing that adds value, not reason or logic. We can be eccentric and still be advanced. You can't be living in a cave and expect logic, reason or rationnality to get you into a Lear Jet ...only knowledge can take you there

we are not "seperated" from animals, we think exactly like them, our drives and juices are identical, indeed i'd go further, we're the exact same family, all mutations of 1 life form

what seperates us is our knowledge (levels). Our behaviour remains identical to any other species, our comfort level is just alot better, brought to us entirely by the commercial private sector, zippo to do with any institution or Govt which has always dragged us backwards and impoverished us

in fact as a species we are miles behind nature which is based on freedom (no rules). Our society is archaiac and antiquated because it has been monopolised by parasites via Govt. Freedom (competition) has been suffocated, this rarely happens in nature, it's rampant in humanity (quite pathetic, indeed utterly stupid, we are the dumbest most backward animal on the planet in terms of social organisation)

now fight your conscious reasoning and deal with the facts (knowledge) Govt is a shithole and has been throughout history and serves no purpose

only when you awaken to your logical/reasoning brain wanting to find a logical reasonable reason to having Govt for the past 3,000 years do you realise how stupid and dumb it makes us ...despite all rock hard evidence to the contrary ...fight your logic/reason before it does another generation in to this human sewer of an institution

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:13 | 2888615 Henry Hub
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*** we are not "seperated" from animals, we think like them, our drives and juices are identical***

My bitch (dog not woman) gave birth to puppies this year. We kept one male puppy. He's a Juvenal now. He happily fucks his mother every chance he gets (when she's in heat). I can't think of any people or society where this is acceptable. No we are different from other animals. Logic and reason separates us.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:06 | 2888860 SubjectivObject
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I suggest you are looking 'too far afield".  My amatuer, somewhat cursory, response to your context; incest, certainly one can accept that in human history there has been much more incest than is ever reported/recorded.  I think it is open for debate as to what about a society may initially suppress incest, and where protecting property is a primal motive (e.g. a number of social animal behaviours regarding which gets to procreate), this particular mammalian characteristic for survival self interest may be posited as a basis, and this mamalian response in the animal is emotional (maybe nascent intellect keeps track of who the challengers are, but the initial motivation to defend/offend, is automatized emotion.

But back from to too far afield.  Try "messing with your pet's head".  Create intellectively or emotionally uncertain or ambigous conditions for them, where the patterns of their world view, and their habitual responses to it, are confused/confuted, and see what is their response.  I will predict that the animal will want to leave the immediate space and retreat to some known or familiar place.  The animal is either there with the familiar, or its gone (acute conditions of starvation, sex, or attack aside)

And a point is, that this kind of response to ambiguity and uncertainty is exactly how the default human nature responds, when such finds them, irrespective the outward stylistic differences.   The here-or-gone nature of the animal emotional state is the analogic basis for intellective polarizaiton in the human.  Ha! that ole red/blue thing that people get so defensive/offensive about.  Survival self interest in the political justification realm.

What the human entity needs to get in control of their nature, to not be mechanistic/habitual in their response to stimuli from within and without them, is a long effort to understand human nature through studying themself:  Success through failure.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 02:31 | 2889269 bunnyswanson
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I also have a female cat and saved her only surviving kitten, a male.  She was spayed but still, when her offspring reached a certain age of sexual maturity, she hissed and attacked him with claws and teeth when he came close to her despite the fact she was not in heat.  She was setting boundaries or more likely, trying to run him off, out of the house and yard.

And that is what your female dog would have done if she had the ability to.  I can only wonder if you have them in a fenced in area where there is no where for her or her offspring to flee.  If it is wide open, one or the other would depart, I believe.  It is a survival mechnism - breeding the strongest will ensure the survival of the species. 

If populations are isolated, it is better for relatives to reproduce together, rather than for the species not to reproduce at all

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:07 | 2888601 Zadok
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That has to be one of the more confused circular rambles I have heard in a while. Sorry, there is not enough content to work with.

Good luck with your future.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:34 | 2888624 Zero Govt
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Henry, your male dog is triggered by bitches on heat, his penis is supposed to go ape shit, even if it's his mother

you're being fooled, yet again, by another human thought process that fucks us up. Our brains are atuned to spotting differnces, it hekps us in many ways, such as us knowing the difference between our Mums and another bitch, so we can chat up the right ones

But your 'Spot the Diiference' thought process fools us in so many ways to not seeing the similarities, such as how identical we are in every way to every other living creature. Here's a test. Which animal:

Coughs, sneezes, pisses, shits, has ribs and lungs, 4 limbs, 2 eyes, a nose, ears, gets pregnant, ejaculates, has hair on its arse and face etc etc etc

Well you guesed it, every animla on the planet, including man

Are you still being fooled by your brain to spot differences or can you fight it and see every similarity?

We also act on the most powerful emotions, all identicaly shared amongst animals. Those of fear/flight or fight mechanisms, hunger pangs, wanting a snooze or sleep, hot and cold, finding shelter in the rain, basking in the sun, chasing the opposite sex, posturing to rivals etc etc etc

You can communicate with your dog yes? Your dog can communicate with you yes? You also have an instinctive ability to communicate with the birds and bees when you walk outside your door, the same understandings all nature operates with everyday outside your door. They get along (predator and prey, us included, excepted)

Man is built like nature to be independent and like nature free. We are self regulating our society like nature is self governing Govt required

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:39 | 2888656 Zadok
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Zero; you may indeed have a good premise in there somewhere but I am unable to find it. If you learn to organize your communication, it would probably help.

It is also possible that your thoughts are as disasterous as your writing. For your sake, I sincerely hope it is the former.

Good luck.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:52 | 2888678 Zero Govt
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Zadock, you haven't had as much time, or motivation to think about these topics. Most people don't have either the time or inclination to think about anything deeper than a thin pan pizza

It's more possible your belief in rationality/logic and your superiority to animals/nature will be of harm to your life than my disbelief in that nonsense will do to mine... i'd bet on it in fact

Luck has nothing to do with it, it's down to knowledge

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:34 | 2888103 Itch
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Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:39 | 2888121 SubjectivObject
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"rationality and reason: most over-rated thinking style in history."

Because it is the much more evolved, for survival, mammalian emotional "brain" that acutally runs the show for the default soialized human entity.  Intellect is recent and "loosely glued on top", thus it is not the default seat of motivation within the human entity.  It does rationalize everything, though, but this is reactive rather than proactive.  History is replete with otherwise superior intellects behaving merely as mammals with a cunning thinking brain.  Not special at all.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 18:03 | 2888686 Zero Govt
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i agree

a lion can size any man up just as we can size them (and their intent) up if we're not too far up our arses with our superirorities to nature to become detached from animal understandings

all nature has an understanding, we get on with our lives not trying to bump into each other (predators excepted). 

When we're walking or driving we veer around a cat or bird if we can. That's natures understanding to do no harm, to all get along. And when we walk outside our door all natures animals, bees and birds try to veer around us too. We all try to just get on with our daily business. We're all, all 22 million species and 40 billion lives, naturally civil (no Govt required)

only amongst humans do we allow rationality, logic and reason to fool/con us into believing Govt is there for a purpose, it surely must be, we cannot be so dumb. Why freddom is anarchy, we simply must have rules and a central organ to grind our worries on. But we are dumb. Totally backward, replaced the brilliance of natural freedom for monopolisation by a sucking, destructive parasite

we are, by far, the dumbest animal on the planet

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:58 | 2888159 FreedomGuy
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I actually liked this article. It was thoughtful and I like the connection between behaviorism and government. It is an underlying philosophy of collectivism. It is why communists and less collectivists like the term "masses'.

The history of America is independent people, thinking and decision making. As we centralize it we will get all the results of the collectivist state. There is nothing in the American cultural DNA that precludes it. While we, more than other countries are resistant to the collectivist virus, we are not immune. Current events seem to prove this true.

I also do not believe generalizations of "100% pure thieving scum". There are many I would not put into that category like, Ron Paul. What one has to look at are the forces that attract the types of people who come to government and what is it that makes them "scum"? I suggest that as we increase government power we will attract more and more scum with the power to do scummy things. The power-control freaks mentioned in the article are precisely the people attracted to this kind of system.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 18:57 | 2888700 Zero Govt
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America actually had a collectivist start in life, amongst The Pilgrims. They collectivised farming when they landed, it was a fucking disaster, as all collectivism has been throughout history. The crops were diabolical and with it came disease and death

when a mini revolt began (as happnes in all recessions) the Fathers split the land for individuals to farm. The crops grew so well in the following years they were able to sell surplus produce and trade (productivity)

Govt is a collectivist shithole, it sucks, everywhere it's tried


PS. yes there's exceptions to every rule (broad statement) and i wouldn't count Ron Paul as "scum", more like a well intentioned idealistic idiot (i've been one many a time) who has cost the taxpaye wages but provided no productive output (nice words but it's air)

when Ron Paul renounces Govt (a monopoly) he will have found true understanding of why the free market (a competition mechanism) works and have filled in the blanks of the idealism he preeches

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 19:16 | 2888795 malek
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You here are in effect looking for a rational reason to decleare rationality useless.

Lame examples of half-educated sheeples confusing rationalizing with rationality will not support that batshit crazy theory, as real rationality always looks beneath the covers as well.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 21:37 | 2888984 Zero Govt
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Nope, wrong end of the stick ...I'm not looking for a rational reason why Govt is a shithole, i want the knowledge of why it's so shit. That piece of Knowledge is it's a monopoly. It wasn't logic or reason that got me to Knowledge, it was determination/drive to discover/uncover it 

as mentioned, and i'll repeat for all the logical/reasoned/rational dimwits who don't get it (or anything because rationality fogs their ability), it is knowledge that deterrmines mans progress or ability, not rational thought

and let me repeat one more time, it is rationality that's fooling you into believing rationality is worth a Cent

what brought man from cave to condo is knowledge

you can be as rational as you like but you're going nowhere but back into a cave tonight without knowledge 

similarly if you don't have the knowledge to build a jet engine you're staying near your cave for the rest of your miserable rational life... rationality/logic/reason adds no value, it is the sum of what you have between your ears ...knowledge is the key difference, it is the root of all progress, not logic

Ok it was fiction but in Star Trek the very very dull boy, Dr Spock, was the 'logical' one. He was bordering on insanity for a reason, he was logical (purile). The only thing that made Spock interesting was his knowledge, that's all anyone needed or wanted him for, otherwise he was just plain dull

it was the impetuous, emotional, arrogant but brilliant Capatin Kirk that was the wizzo. He'd assimilate the knowldge from his crew on his and the oppositions strengths and weaknesses and turn the tables. Kirk took risks Spock wouldn't, because he was too logical to think outside the box

it's not logic or reason that drives commerce, mans most beneficial activity by far. It's juice and drive, competitiveness, animals instincts. Logical rational people cannot think outside the box or pierce the envelope, question the existing order, want better. They're a dull waste of space

their use of the words "logical rational" thinking is a way of saying i think better than you without putting up the knowledge to prove their argument better

look at this thread, i'm imparting knowledge and the rational thinkers are dribbling supposition and assumptions that rationality has value ...your rationality is fooling you (again). And no matter how many times i show/prove your rationality is worthless your rational brains will keep conning you to come back with yet another empty rationality

just as it's the biggest con of the masses (to overcome) to tell them Govt is a shithole with mountains of hard evidence to prove beoyond doubt it is, but their (vacuous) rational brain will over-ride all hard evidence and keep telling/conning/lying to them there "must surely be a logical rational reason" for Govt to exist, it cannot all be for nought.

Empty rationality versus rock hard evidence. Ignorance will win, it has done for 3,000 years, the parasites are banking on it (pun intended)

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 23:11 | 2889119 malek
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You're taking a few illegitimate shortcuts in your thinking (excuse me, shall I say knowledge?)

First of all your spice "knowledge" - where did it come from? Drop from the sky? Was is conceived by emotional genius? Nope, the complex stuff came from cold, rational thought.

Second when dealing with mostly emotional beings, as most men still are, you need to realize and accept that and adjust your thinking accordingly. Think outside the rational box, yes.
And if you're very good you realize you need to not just react but show emotion as well. One can do that somewhat real or completely fake it (sociopaths).

Was there ever a Star Trek episode where Kirk encounters completely rational aliens, Spock-like but not so well-meaning? I can't recall such. Most likely scrapped because most viewers would have been bored due to total emotional disconnect. But how would Kirk have managed such creatures?

Logical rational people cannot think outside the box or pierce the envelope, question the existing order, want better.

A bit overshot if you really meant to say "Logical rational people cannot ... want better."
As an example I liked the original iPod but it was a bit expensive to me at the time. But as the 3rd gen scaled down version, especially much smaller battery, was released I found it while cheaper lacking the standout abilities to the (meanwhile available) competition models. So I never bought an iPod. (For myself, the decision was still correct. Lots of others just wanted to buy a status symbol, so the lower price was the only important thing.)

So logical rational people want rational better, not emotional better.

I feel my rationality has often saved me from making mistakes, as I for MORE important things always ask "what's the incentive for the other party that's offering me a deal?" And if I see no clearly identifiable WIN-WIN for both sides I'm going to be very cautious, and at least very seriously contemplate the worst case outcome scenario before I'd go ahead.
At the same time for VERY important things as the last step before making a decision I turn off rational thought for a moment and ask my gut feeling, giving it a veto right. If it reads "completely neutral/unknown" or worse I don't march down the rationally determined path.

But I digress.
Where does your "knowledge" originate from?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:04 | 2889673 Zero Govt
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double post did i do that, it's not rational??!!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 07:25 | 2889682 Zero Govt
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Malek, quite alot of rubbish spoken, mainly because everyone claiming rational thinking hi-jack the real contributor of mans progress, knowledge, with the view it's rationalit thinking.

It's not logic/rationality that makes man want better, it's a heady cocktail of ambition, drive, even greed to improve one's status, sexual or otherwise, or just plain inquisitiveness (natures quest for understanding, inherent in every baby, puppy, fish egg ever born). All mans drives are animal juices, not rational thought

You think you made a rational choice not buying an iPod, i think you made a subconscious decision, that you haven't a rational clue how your brain came to that decision.

Knowledge does not drop from the sky and it doesn't come from rational thought. It comes from the drive to want to understand an issue, your conscious brain focuses and fusses over the issue, your sub-conscious brain if you think long, hard and creatively enough about the issue will 'ping' an answer to you. In fact your subconscious will ping many ideas to you, some wrong, some right. thi is not rational, this is a biological cocktail, the Frankenstein laboratory filled with green and red liquids in the deep compartments of your grey matter

Scientists using the scientific meathod og hammering an idea to test it from every angle to see if it's good science (good knowledge) is not a rational process either, it's another cocktail of drive, juices and animal competitiveness/status seeking

Knowledge does not come from logic, rational or reasoned thought, it comes from a chemical lab of animal drives, ambition, neccessity to fill your belly, status seeking amongst your herd

Rationality does not add value, animal drive starts the quest, subconscious creativity pings the piece of knowledge that completes the puzzle

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 22:57 | 2892989 malek
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In my opinion you have a lot of things right:
I said before that most men/women are mostly emotional beings.
You are correct that the ultimate reward, and therefore the cause for drive, for all humans can only come from the emotional side.

But once again you are trying to explain away rational processes in inventing.

The brain is mostly an incredibly powerful parallel pattern-matching engine.
However before you can use it it needs to be filled with patterns by learning, "storing" of facts or pieces of meaningful information.
Then you juggle the pieces around in your head, to come up with a random new combination.
Only now comes the rationality into play: in deciding relatively quickly, usually within seconds, which of those combinations to discard and instead look for another one. And it's this step where many people perform poorly, either wasting time on fantasies or sometimes discarding a good idea too quickly. (But no one gets into the vicinity of perfect either.)
On top of this everybody has a limit how many pieces of information he can juggle at the same time - I read an estimate that the number varies from 5 for simple minds to 9 for highly intelligent people. But anyway you can overcome the limit by brain-handling multiple pieces with fixed relationships as a new single piece, i.e. doing abstraction, which I understand also as a purely rational process.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:11 | 2887890 chistletoe
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The story is often told about how

the students in one of Yale's classes

met privately and planned a strategy to cope successfully with Mr. Skinner.


He had a habit of roving across the front of the classroom while he lectured.

From that day forward, many, most, or all of the students would perk up

and start to pay closer attention to the esteemed professor

whenever he drifted towards the right side of the room.

However, they would begin to nod off, squirm and fidget and even whisper to one another

whenever he moved towards the left.


by the end of the semester, the unfortunate victim of his own theories

was literally cowering, sqquashed in the very front right corner of the room ....

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:19 | 2887909's picture

That's a great story.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:18 | 2887892 alstry
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Because we created a system where few of us produced what we consumed. We became dependent on the promises of others for our survival. Initially those promises were backed by the production of each other....and for a long time we produced for each other and the world in this whacky system and save a few wars, all worked great for the players in this game.

Our money simply represented each other's promise to produce....we call them promissory notes or dollar bills.

Without this system...we all perceive we will psychologically, anyone who questions the integrity of the system will immediately be dismissed by the masses.

Just wait until the masses learn they screwed their kids by bankrupting the world to keep their failing system the end we are all milking off this game as the world advances to the

The fascinating issue to ponder will be when ALL of the human laborers in accounting, legal, and financial services professions all learn they can easily be replaced by far more efficient and sustainable IBM Watson and other AI systems .

HFT will be everywhere as life advances from a board game to a video game in the new system we'll be milking off.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:12 | 2887894 VonSalza
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who's a good boy here's a scooby snack

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:17 | 2887902 toady
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This is WAY too detailed.

The reason is simple. Americans have it way too easy. We throw away more food than the rest of the planet eats. Our shittiest homes are palaces compared to 99% of the planet. Basically, we have taken all the best stuff from everyone and have not been required to put forth any effort in this taking for generations.

We are manipulated? If we can live like kings while the rest of the world suffers for it, manipulate me all you want!

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:21 | 2887916's picture

Yeah ignorance!

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:03 | 2888028 Skateboarder
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The slum outside Bombay's airport is a good reminder of how shitty things can get. Long lines of men sleeping side by side on the sidewalk for a good couple of miles.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:04 | 2888596 Dr. Sandi
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I'm pretty sure I don't want to see a BAD couple of miles then!

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 18:51 | 2888765 thomasincincy
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I saw a man and his dog a week or so ago and he had his sleeping bag tied to his back. He had nothing else except the clothes on him and his camouflage jacket. He was a black man and may have been a veteran. He wasn't your typical city homeless person. He was pointing at the river and talking to his dog. Seemed happy and confident wandering the country.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:40 | 2887970 insanelysane
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What exactly does the US take from everyone else in the world?  I'm on board though.  Make it illegal to buy anything not Made in USA.  I'm all in.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:34 | 2888025 toady
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For starters, we take oil, and all the benefits of the oil-based industrial revolution. That's the big one, and it has only recently started helping others. That change led to the US starting to take money. We've stolen so much from China at this point that there is no way it can be paid back. That MBS scam really screwed a lot of people. There are myriad other scams pulling money out of people so we can have cheeseburgers, porn, and Octoberfest. I say keep it going as long as possible. Hope I die before I get old.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:55 | 2888577 Umh
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Are you looking for agreement on that last part?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:15 | 2888619 toady
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Sometimes I even confuse myself.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 21:19 | 2888991 insanelysane
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I hate to point out that what ever you thought you learned is wrong but the US industrialized the oil industry along with manufacturing and medicine.  We import oil because it is cheaper to at the moment.  We have enough oil domestically.  And we don't steal anything from China, they make us goods.  Like I said originally, shut it all down.  No imports from anywhere.  No foreign aid to anyone.  No military presence outside of US territories.  Hell, we don't even need foreign people coming in.  Do you believe that we are "stealing" Mexican resources by allowing their hard working citizens to live here illegally?  We better send them back.  From food to energy to medicine the US can produce it all.  But if we do, people say that we aren't being good global citizens.  Which is it?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:42 | 2888130 Pseudolus
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'Convenience is your enemy'

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:17 | 2887904 kliguy38
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I CALL BULLSHIT.......How can you say we are bored when we have College Football, Pro Football, Baseball Playoffs, Jersey Slurp, and coming soon...American Idol.....We ain't bored, we ARE AMURIKA!!!! BoooooYAHHH

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:21 | 2887915 mark mchugh
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Just wanted to say Bruce Levine did a really nice job of boiling down a complex subject into a piece that was both informative and readable.  Nice Job, Bruce.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:32 | 2887948 dolph9
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Deep in the American psyche is the desire to be a child again.  This is true for everyone around the world, but it's most prevalent in America.  Thus the spectacle of Disneyland and adults watching cartoons, the never ending movies about teenage life, etc.  The reason is Americans never actually grow up, and so they yearn for the comfort and security of childhood.

The way that children turn into adults is through socialization.  And I don't mean that in terms of a political argument.  Children become adults by going through rituals and norms of behavior unique to a culture/people in a defined tribe/territory/nation.  This is really the only way children can grow up to become adults.

Americans are probably the least socialized people on the planet.  In America, the idea is to be whoever you want to be.  You can change, "discover" yourself at any time, even when you are 50 years old.

Ultimately, though, this can never be accomplished, right.  It's a futile quest.  

Thereby, Americans are easily controlled, because they never become adults in the first place.  To be an adult you have to mature, and Americans never want to mature.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:48 | 2887988 mark mchugh
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I'm not listening to you unless you provide me with a free lunch.

(hands over ears humming)

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:13 | 2888053 Skateboarder
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Where's that tall can of Bud you promised me if I upvoted you?

Yesterday Skateboarder saw a car with an "I <3 OBAMACARE" sticker...

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 19:03 | 2888778 mark mchugh
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Well 'um... there was a bonus crisis on Wall St, and you know all the infrastructure, not to mention nuclear ambitions and the freedom envy and all....

Next question

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:04 | 2888029 Harbanger
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You're describing the boomers.  You're right, children need parents, but parents want to be children, so the Govt will be everyones guardian.  It's all working according to plan.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 21:01 | 2888969 Cathartes Aura
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the child-like nature of amrkns is indeed a social construct, and intentionally so, in my opinion.

I'll most likely get shit for writing this, but the amrkn male is being conditioned towards endless adolescence, particularly through gaming networks, etc.  it's the males that brag of their "toys" when referencing such things as boats, ATVs, ski-doos, etc.  endless bonding through watching (or playing) sports games on TV with their "buds" while consuming alcohol, lowering "inhibitions" while uping the libido is mirrored in the advertising aimed square at the target demographics. . . cheerleaders, females draped over men drinking particular brands of beer, etc. - eternal adolescence.

women get a complimentary version, trained to "mother" the men, try to nurture them into some particular version of desirable - like pushing children towards certain behaviours, or professions, etc.  hence the ongoing disappointment in "relationships" - the women are attempting to grow a man into responsible parenthood, or even just partnership, and the men just see it as "mom bitching" at them all the time.  no one seems to be able to look at the roles being played in relationships any more.

and then there's the state, ready to step in and manipulate at a moment's notice, handouts, and reinforcing, soothing words, "you're special Amrka, chosen and unlike anyone else" - it's been the banner since the beginning, chosen, special.

total generalisations, there ARE people who are aware enough to escape this social game, but one has to acknowledge it first before the spell is broken.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:31 | 2887949 Insideher Trading
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Why are American so easy to manipulate?

Who cares?

Why does a bear shit in the woods?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:01 | 2888022 AetosAeros
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Which reminds me of a joke, although in this perspective, I'm no longer laughing:


A Bear (central banker) and a Rabbitt (common person off the street) were shitting side by side in the woods (puchasing stocks on Wall Street), when the Bear looks down at the Rabbitt and asks-

"Hey little buddy, do you have problems with shit (losses) sticking to your fur?"

The Rabitt looks up and say "Nope, my shits are too small and compact"

so the Bear finishes up his business, then reaches down, grabs the Rabitt and wipes his ass with him and walks off.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:27 | 2888088 Sabibaby
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As an American I care and the enemy are those who don't.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:14 | 2888614 Zadok
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Well stated!

In the vein of the article, one debit for your independent thinking. Please return to your home camp for retraining.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:36 | 2887957 SqueekyFromm
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Yes, this was GREAT Internet Article! The subtle manipulation over time. With television and mass media, it only gets worse. It used to be financially prohibitive to enter those businesses. The Internet changed that. That is why TPTB will eventually have to do something about all us bloggers. There are too many of us, and over time we will upset their machinations.

My GUESS is, the first serious salvos will be an attempt to remove anonymity from us. Doxing. Like with that Violentacrez person.

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:39 | 2887966 Zwelgje
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Once Pavlovs lab had a flooding. It was night.

The dogs had to fight for their life, alone. No Pavlov around.

Most drowned.

The conditioning had to start over from scratch.

I hope for the fake elite that the goods keep coming and the electricity stays on.

People and dogs comply because it gets them shit.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:30 | 2888217 seataka
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Good for recalling that tidbit... it is an important one... That was the discovery of SHOCK therapy... causing a metal reboot, so-to-speak.  See William Sargant, Battle for the Mind.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:39 | 2887967 djsmps
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Easy to manipulate??? Here's a comment today on a Reuters article about Brazil's concern  about QE3:

ctyankee57 wrote:

Bernanke’s job is not to worry about the effects (of QE3) on the Third World economies. His job is to preserve, protect and defend the U. S. economy; he is doing exactly as he has been mandated to do by Congress. For the last twenty years, the Third World has been spoon fed by the U.S. and others in the hope of promoting a new (economic) world order, and it has failed.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:48 | 2887986 Olympia
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From the Wall Street Crash of 1929 to the Global Financial Crisis of 2007


It all started with the big crisis of 1929. The American economy reached a deadlock because of its social "pathogenesis"; a deadlock that led it to economic crisis in a different - faster- pace than the rest of the industrial forces of that time. Important decisions had to be made - mostly social - and the Whites didn't like that, especially the Whites' rulers, the Anglo-Saxons. The USA society had to either be homogenized and "forget" about racism against black people or find itself in a permanent deadlock that would threaten it with social uprising. If they didn't equate the black working people with their white colleagues so that there wouldn’t be an issue with the salaries that threatened the national currency, they couldn't avoid reactions and all that goes with it.


The problem which began as social but was turning into economic was simple. As long as the economy functioned adequately and the Blacks worked and asserted what they deserved for their work, the white employers had to "fund" the white working force with extra money because of their skin color. To avoid complaints from a white worker who received the same salary with his black colleague, the employers had no choice but to give them more money. The demands of the Blacks were used as an excuse by the Whites to demand more and everything ended up in the same pocket, since they were under the same employ. The problem that arose from this "strange" tactic was that the increased takings of the "superior" White employers were seeking outlet in investments and that threatened the capital. Having higher salaries, they bought more houses; they bought stocks and so on.


Authored by Panagiotis Traianou

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:49 | 2887987 Olympia
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Loan sharks knew that if they took the dollars printing machines under their control they could suffocate the world ...they could initially suffocate USA and after taking the USA from the Americans, they could move and suffocate the whole world and take the countries from their people.

FED printed cheap money and loansharking multiplied this money in an unnatural way within the American economy boarders and they discarded them abroad so that they did not threaten USA. USA became the first state in the world with artificial “breathing”...

It cannot be possible but just in the USA for only the last year, more than one million houses were seized. It cannot be impossible but the New World has returned to tents and shelters ..has returned to the ages of Columbus. It cannot be possible that we allow to a few loan sharks looting the toils and the assets of people...


Global Debt Crisis


Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:50 | 2887992 autonomos
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Solomon Asch experiments show the inclination to conformity.

Pier Paolo Pasolini explains how consumerist conformity leads to fascism.


Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:51 | 2887993 Olympia
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In 1991, when George Bush senior attacked Iraq and tried to establish the New World Order, has actually provoked a World War. A war the human kind has never seen before; a world war that may not have had the provocative blood-letting of the previous wars, nevertheless its consequences were equally bad for all the peoples. A financial world war, the consequences of which may not have been dead or amputated men and ruins, but in any case they were equally disastrous for both the peoples and the environment.



Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:51 | 2887994 Global Hunter
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Because of visiting my dear wife, I have spend a few hours 2, 3 sometimes 4 times a week in a long term pyschiatric ward. To me it seems that most of our mentally ill are smart sensitive people that temporarily give up or can no longer keep trying to deal with this mindless sanitary world.

In the greater scheme of things, its not the mentally ill that I worry about, its the people that go about their lives as if everything is wonderful that worry me.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 15:36 | 2888108 Questan1913
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Exactly.  The few sane have taken refuge in the asylums.  And on the outside the sickest, literally, have taken refuge in the highest seats of power.  That would be the scum at the very top of the financial pyramid of plunder and their bretheren sociopathic scum at the uppermost reaches of all three branches of government.  Washingtons Blog today has an illuminating article on this phenomenon and the horriffic mass murder of 200,00 innocent people in 1945 in the first act of blatant naked terrorism of the nuclear age.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 16:54 | 2888576 seataka
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Watch "The King of Hearts" - a French anti war flick from the 60's...that seems to be hard to find these days...



Sun, 10/14/2012 - 17:22 | 2888631 Zadok
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Global hunter; in having to deal with the insane at times, it strikes me as so odd that in some respects the are far more cogent and aware than some of those I work with. It is just that they have failed to yield like so many others.

Then there are the sociopaths without any empathy at all. Now them are some scary critters, not so much as an individual, but for how much effort they can convince other people to put forth to their nefarious ends!

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 21:40 | 2889011 Cathartes Aura
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indeed, the sociopath mirrors behaviour around him, whereas the "insane" cannot, or will not, preferring their own reality to adaptation. . .

of course there are truly unhinged minds out there, some are actually dangerous, but I agree that many are simply tired of trying to adapt and play by cultural rule-norms in order to get by. . . sadly, they've not found any people like/similar to them that would allow them support for their realities.  some just need a break from cultural pressures, increasing of late, and opt for a "treatment center" - some of which are kind and helpful, some are using folks as guinea pigs for experimental pharma, etc. it helps to have someone who cares visiting & overseeing the stay, such as Global Hunter does.

but I will add, there are many, many people dis-appearing from the accepted culture, and finding trustworthy others to be around.  people who lament the pervasive mono-culture need only begin to search around the edges, and might be surprised at how some thrive "outside the system" of society.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 07:44 | 2889695 Zadok
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Plus one for creative solution space efforts at a pervasive and extremely serious conundrum!

We are all going to face it and forethought is one of the differentiating factors that could make a significant difference!

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 14:51 | 2887998 Yen Cross
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