They Hate Us For Our Prisons

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There was a time when US schoolchildren, a few short years before they were loaded up with $60,000 a year in unrepayable federal debt (used mostly to purchase various iTrinkets) to pay for community college, were taught that all those people outside the continental US hate its residents "for our freedoms." It must then come as quite a shock for all these kids to learn that what they really meant is that "they hate us for our prisons."

From Max Raskin, Bloomberg:

The U.S. has the world’s highest incarceration rate, with Department of Justice data showing more than 2.2 million people are behind bars, equal to a city the size of Houston.


The CHART OF THE DAY shows that, with a rate of 730 people per 100,000, the U.S. jails a higher proportion of its citizens than any other country, according to data from the International Centre for Prison Studies, an independent research center associated with England’s University of Essex.


“The model is, if you build it they will come,” said Daniel D’Amico, a professor of economics at Loyola University New Orleans. “Because we have all these prisons and all of these other resources funneled into our criminal justice system, we have this ability to enforce things that would otherwise be unenforceable.”


“That includes the drug war, but it’s also including everything from the Martha Stewart types to immigration policies,” D’Amico said. “The scope of things that are now criminal in corporate law is exponentially higher than it was merely twenty years ago.”

Well, how about no longer "building it" then? But for that to happen two things would need to change: either a member of the ruling Wall Street financial oligarchy would finally have to be thrown in maximum "pound me in the ass" security prison (to quote Matt Taibbi), something which as has been patently demonstrated, can never happen in the US; or, prisons are no longer the equivalent of a fully inclusive, taxpayer funded room and board vacation, where a certain subsegment of society can rest indefinitely for the most meaningless of transgressions.

Since neither of these two events will occur, it is probably safe to replace the the bald eagle on the Great Seal with a photo of Alcatraz and be done with it.

h/t Carl

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Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:31 | 2892603 eftian
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USSA Bitchezz

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:39 | 2892610 AlaricBalth
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Where is Snake Plissken when we need him?
Snake Plissken: I shut down the third world, you win they lose. I shut down America, they win, you lose. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:33 | 2892778 francis_sawyer
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I thought he was dead...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 22:05 | 2892869 AlaricBalth
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He gets that a lot.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 22:44 | 2892962 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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and taller

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:37 | 2892608 UnpatrioticHoarder
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Anyone else here find their tweets don't appear in followers' feeds?

My tweets in reply aren't seen by anyone.

Searching "All" for phrases and hashtags in my tweets returns nothing.

I follow @ZeroHedge, @Wikileaks and @lemetropole so I guess I had it coming to me.

And now I am told "Twitter is over capacity" with a fail whale picture. Is it just me?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:17 | 2892723 max2205
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Add no interest seniors on home detention who don't eat as well but then don't worry about dropping the soap, and we really lead the world

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:43 | 2892810 Lore
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"Twitter is over capacity"

Am I the only one who finds that amusing?  Like people who panic because they can't log into Facebook?

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 01:24 | 2893198 UnpatrioticHoarder
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LOL try searching in "All" for a phrase in one of my recent tweets "Herald Sun duped" - no results. Now search "All" for a phrase from same period, any phrase eg "New front in the culture wars". Many results. My tweets are being excluded from search results. Why is that?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:33 | 2892611 sangell
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Our prisons are first rate it is our inmates that are the world's worst.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:48 | 2892816 toady
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I'll agree our prisons are first rate, hell, the 3 hots & cot, cable tv, free medical, dental, optical ... they sure as hell hate us for our prisons. Our prisoners live better than 90% of the worlds population!

Disagree on the prisoners. Just a bunch of dope smokin' drunks, with a handfull of hardasses.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:35 | 2892614 Bear
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The Mexico bar needs to incorporate at least 30% of the US bar since we are doing the bulk of their incarceration for them

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:47 | 2892640 sangell
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True, the US not only has to imprison the dregs of our society, we have to import large numbers of the dregs of the rest of the world. Bet we have an inmate from every member state of the UN in our prisons.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:36 | 2892615 oc
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Fuck it. I'm moving to Iceland.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:06 | 2892687 prains
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The Kiwi's must be growing some pretty magic weed to be number 5 right behind Mexico

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:36 | 2892618 New_Meat
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"(used mostly to purchase various iTrinkets)"

au contraire, meathead.

How 'bout SNAP, EBT, and fraudulent mortgages.


- Ned

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:39 | 2892624 Pseudo Anonym
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the list is incomplete.  i doubt russia imprisons fewer than iceland

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:24 | 2892690 prains
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it's only for the G 69 countries





although it's hard to hear anyone speak, it's always quite muffled

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:43 | 2892635 Zgangsta
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This seems like an awfully selective list.  Where's Russia?  China?  Singapore?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:04 | 2892679 Dr. Engali
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That makes it better..... "Sure we are bad but look at those other guys."

I think you miss the point.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:12 | 2892704 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Per capita. Also, China and Singapore are much keener on executions........

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 03:01 | 2893278 Seer
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They probably don't allow the BIG criminals to hide behind corporate masks, which... when corporations can be executed, THEN is when it could be considered them to be "persons."

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 22:59 | 2892995 SgtSchultz
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While this study is from 06 the per capita stats are probably still pretty close.  We are still number one with Russia being number two.  We have about seven times the number of prisoners per capita than the EU.


Tue, 10/16/2012 - 04:03 | 2893324 BeetleBailey
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Not members of the OECD for one thing.

Both Russia and China lag the US per capita as well, however.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:45 | 2892636 pods
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Well our prison made shit ain't gonna make itself!


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:26 | 2892756 a growing concern
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Somebody's gotta make license plates to replace the ones that went up in flames on Chevy Volts across America.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 22:24 | 2892912 AlaricBalth
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License plates? Not even close. Federal Prison Industries (UNICOR) had close to $1 billion in revenues last year. Inmates earn from US$0.23 per hour up to a maximum of US$1.15 per hour.

"UNICOR has 109 factories in federal prisons, producing about 175 different types of products and services, including clothing and textiles, electronics, fleet management and vehicular components, industrial products, office furniture, recycling activities; and services including data entry and encoding."

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 03:51 | 2893313 Cathartes Aura
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Dickensian workhouses. . .

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 09:09 | 2894000 pods
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Foxcon North America LLC.


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:26 | 2892759 prains
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everyone likes the guy who shows up to the party with a giant red dildo

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:47 | 2892639 DavosSherman
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“Our” fine country holds less than 5 percent of the world’s populous but a quarter (25 percent) of the world’s entire prison population.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:52 | 2892650 hedgehog9999
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and that does not even count the Corzines' and others within the bankers, government and executive criminal class!!!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:00 | 2892674 sangell
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But we could easily imprison 2 or 3 times that and not get all the scum off the streets. You have to commit a major felony or multiple lesser one's before our courts finally lock you up. Last night a guy who had been arrested for 4 misdemeanors and 2 felonies so far this year was picked up again for robbing a guy on a scooter at knifepoint. He'll be back on the streets soon enough too because he didn't kill the guy.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:16 | 2892715 DavosSherman
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Who gives a fuck?

Did the scum of the streets kill 37,000 people in 2009?  No!  The banksers did.  In the Great Depression the suicide rate was 22 per 100,000 people, in the Second Great Depression it is 10 per 100,000 people.

Who the fuck caused it?  The scum of the streets or the banksters?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:55 | 2892836 sangell
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To be honest I'd rather have Jamie Dimon living next door (but I can't afford his neighborhood) than Trayvon Martin but then I'm not insane.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 22:15 | 2892890 DavosSherman
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Define "not".

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 23:21 | 2893030 riphowardkatz
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the victim cares. 


oooh the banksters. what an ignorant term. you sound like a 8 year old pointing fingers. 

your fellow citizens elected the presidetns, the congressman who put the laws in place. look in the mirror jackass, Americans caused this not banksters. They just happen to be smart enough to use the insanity to their advantage, dont hate the players hate the game.

also eat it. suicide is caused by the individual no one is to blame but the person. loser


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 23:53 | 2893086 DavosSherman
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Bullshit.  Suicides are worse in recessions and God aweful in depressions.  Also there are 2 laws in America, the elected can steal and inside trade, those that elect them can't.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 09:37 | 2894094 riphowardkatz
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we should put the cheating wife/husband on trial as well. isnt that shira law? she cheated on me and caused me to kill myself. or mabe since she is causing it I can kill her? makes no sense. man alive the ignorance displaying in these comments is astounding., 

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:50 | 2892644 duncecap rack
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But no bankers amongst the incarcerated.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 22:02 | 2892859 cynicalskeptic
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Imagine what the rate would be if they actually prosecuted FINANCIAL crimes.....

wouldn't be enough room - even with all those newly built privately run prisons

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:50 | 2892645 hedgehog9999
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Penile enlargement reduces crimes!!!!!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:50 | 2892646 urbanelf
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I feel safer.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:53 | 2892653 Wakanda
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Plenty of room for banksters, politicians, corporate hoes, and alphabet agency employees once the innocent are sprung.

The Second American Revolution, unfolding now in a neighborhood near U.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:58 | 2892665 booboo
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Two words: Jury Nullification
They can indict a ham sandwich with all Of their chicken shit laws but all it takes is one hold out to throw a wrench in their grand plan. Get on a jury and wreak havoc with a state attorneys future political career.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 22:08 | 2892867 cynicalskeptic
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Actually seeing this in the Bronx - but the elected prosecutor is teh one taking a stand against unwarranted arrests.  You had some jury nullification but now the DA is refusing to prosecute a lot of questionable cases - like 'trespassing' in housing projects where those arrested are residents or invited guests (NOT criminals).  He aloso pissed off a lot of cops by prosecuting them for ticket fixing.   About time IMO, the connected get off while the rest get screwed.   Know too many NYC cops who abused their position and were far from 'unbiased' in their enforcement of laws.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:59 | 2892668 venturen
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Sadly those other countries have extremly homogenous ethinicities. If you look at percent of certain races in pretty much is stereotypical. Look at african countries and you will horrific crime. Cultural some people accept more crime than others.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:02 | 2892677 The big unzip
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Death Penality for traffic violations,  that would cut down on the prison population!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:13 | 2892707 ebailey5
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17-19% of all inmates have a mental health diagnosis.  Since the reason for their incarceration is often a product of anti-social behavior as a consequence of mental illness, you have a rationale for a significant driver of the base societal rate of locking people up.  Other countries (with lower rates of incarceration) manage this population differently--residential treatment facilities, day care centers or other alternatives to prison.  The actual percentage of criminally insane is a small minority of the locked up mental health population.  The US solution to treating mental illness by incarceration makes us look bad to the rest of the world and creates incredible barriers to effective care for the mentally ill in those locations.  This is not the whole reason for the incarceration rate being what it is--law and order judges and legislaters have a hand in the process too.  And most recently, the meth epidemic spiked the numbers (presently abating somewhat).  Editorially:  who is really being punished by the high incarceration rate?  Certainly the individuals--tragically in some cases but also the payor of first and last resort, the taxpayer.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:23 | 2892746 max2205
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SSI would skyrocket if they let those retards out.

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