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United Swing States Of America

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For the majority of Americans living along the country's coastlines, anything that is not within 50 miles of the the big water is pejoratively called "flyover states", its contents to be avoided at all costs, and its contributions to society and the economy to be loudly mocked and jeered at high society cocktail parties from the Hamptons to Malibu and back (but not inbetween). That is, until election time. Because when it comes to determining the fate of America's leadership every 4 years, the bankers, lawyers, venture capitalists, socialites, marketers, hedge funders, Economist PhDs, and other very important jobs, courtesy of the Electoral College, have absolutely no impact, and it all boils down to such swing states as Ohio, Florida, Iowa and Nevada. For the full cartoon presentation of what states do matter this election, see the cartoon below.

Illustration by Jack Ohman for the Oregonian


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Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:22 | 2890322 LawsofPhysics
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Divide and conquer, everything is going as planned.  Make the election "close",  muahh ha haha ha (sinister laugh).

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:25 | 2890335 Eireann go Brach
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Those damn Mexicans in New Mexico!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:31 | 2890361 kito
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when the economy collapses in 2015, and our borders become porous from lack of funding, that New Mexico will not be New Mexico the  u.s. state, but rather New Mexico the New Mexican colony.......

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:37 | 2890383 fonzannoon
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Kito I usually agree with you, or at least respect your viewpoint. But that is just sensationalist nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself.

2015? Sheesh. Your unbridled optomism is very odd today.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:39 | 2890394 krispkritter
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He said 'become porous'...too late. And California already has th honor of being 'The New Mexico'...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:50 | 2890439 insanelysane
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Unless California wants to be Old Mexico they will stick with the US cause they need bailouts big time.  This election means everything to them.  New Mexico on the other hand needs to start stringing fences on the other 3 borders.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:33 | 2890565 economics9698
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Red Neck Nation will kill the Mexicans and Yids for free when the fiat collapses.  The 85 IQ crowd is reserved for the Hamptons. 


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:52 | 2890643 end da fed
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I need some advice from ZHers- not because I can't think for myself but because i value many of your opinions.

I'm in Ohio. If I write-in Ron Paul, my vote isnt counted because he isnt a registered write-in. It's almost like not voting, which is another option in protest of this travesty of a constitutional republic. Gary Johnson is another good choice but I really want ot write-in Ron Paul. I'm not voting for anyone else.


What do you guys think?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:56 | 2890666 kridkrid
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My advice... Convert paper assets to real assets, make some plans, and realize that everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Oh, and stop worrying about trivial things.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:04 | 2890691 end da fed
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ive done that. i want to be able to tell the sheeple i care about why i dont follow their herd and my vote is one more way to show them something different. some of them are starting to wake up.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:10 | 2890701 economics9698
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Do what you want to do.  If you want to vote for Paul then do it.  You need to sleep well at night.

I love Tyler too, he does not rank up there with Rothbard or von Mises but he's getting there. 

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:15 | 2890736 end da fed
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thanks. I have an "I HEART Ron Paul" bumber sticker too.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:41 | 2891328 JP McManus
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Your vote is going to Obama or Romney.  Whoever wins the electoral votes from your state, whether you vote for him or not.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 16:27 | 2891811 redpill
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So now I can say sitting back and having a beer is my civic duty!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:18 | 2890752 LongBalls
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Then don't vote. It is a waste of time. Save your gas. You just provided yourself with the revelation by saying that you have no real choices since Paul is off the ticket. Don't compromise your beliefs. Where would we be if our founders compromised with King George? Both parties are beholden to the same money masters. Voting for Obama means dependant poverty by the destruction of business and voting Romney means dependant poverty by austerity of the poor. Unless the jobs come back, which they are not, this is certain. The best thing you can do is educate those around you and prepare yourselves. A reboot of the system is coming via the NWO. No vote you cast will change that. All you can do is edcuate so that when the choice of slavery is once again offered as the solution, you and those around you choose freedom. In summary here is my advice: become self sufficient ASAP. When you have done that then anything else left over you need to invest in gold and silver. There is no other plan. If there is I don't know of it.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:30 | 2890799 economics9698
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I disagree with people who say do not vote.  There are a lot of local issues on the ballot that need to be addressed.  If you want to opt out of the federal elections write Ron Paul in or vote for Gary Johnson.   ZHers need to vote, if for no other reason than to help with local issues and politicians, who I might add will be the local power structure if the fiat collapses.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:57 | 2890897 mendigo
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Very important to vote (preferably not for one of the two parties which are raping us) - they want you to be frustrated, confused and hopeless as people like that are easily controlled.

Some options:

Gary Johnson - Libertarian (on ballot in 48 states)

Virgil Goode - Constitution Party (on ballot in 28 states)

Maybe someone could advise the lefty alternatives for those of that persuation.

If they start to see those other party numbers rising (even in the single digits), it will get thier attention (at which pointthey will attempt to make it impossible, but that's another matter).

Americans are suffering from Battered Voter Syndrome - they support the parties that continue to rape them and thier children.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 16:10 | 2891775 LongBalls
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Here is my problem with voting in the current situation (local elections aside). Both parties are the opposite side of the same coin. They are slaves to the money changers just as you and I. The only difference is they are closer to the top and are privy to inside information since in some cases they create it. Thus they are rewarded or reward themselves. Everytime someone puts false hope into a candidate they then adopt the wait and see approach via patience. All the while time is wasted on behalf of a predetermined outcome and our situation continues to erode. We sit back and find the resources of our ability to change the situation evaporate. The longer the people wait the more difficult the correction will be to make. "We the people" is all we have left. The sooner we realize this the sooner we can organize to fix the real problem of debt based money. We need to put social issues aside and return to the foundations of the Constitution word for word.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:05 | 2890909 MachoMan
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The people in the national elections were once mayors...  state representatives...  governors...  et al.  Your entire premise neglects the rot from the local level (micro) that creates the rot at the top (macro)...  not to channel George Carlin's ghost on this one, but he hit the nail on the head.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2890996 Uncle Remus
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I used to have an appreciation for that particular routine of Carlin's, but no more. Voting matters, not so much for whom, but what with...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:43 | 2891181 MachoMan
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If you are going to expand the definition of voting to something not resembling its common usage, then sure...  voting can matter.  In this sense, everyone votes all the time, e.g. with their feet, wallet, etc.  However, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand...  the literal act of casting a ballot.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 14:33 | 2891477 Uncle Remus
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I which case I submit you're being too literal. "Voting" is a means of expressing an opinion or point of view. Traditional methods of "voting" in what is left of the Republic have, for all intents and purposes, been rendered moot - a mocking caricature. In this respect, Carlin is correct.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 15:42 | 2891706 MachoMan
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Good.  You could have simply said that you agree with me, but we've gotten there through the long road just the same.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 11:25 | 2894783 Uncle Remus
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I never disagreed on Carlin's perspective, only your narrow view of voting.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:17 | 2890743 Nimby
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Vote Obama.  Bring the collpase sooner rather than later.  It's not fair to make our kids suffer for our mistakes.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:22 | 2890767 LongBalls
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That's just it. Nobody suffers if we take back the issuance of OUR own money and credit. Congress can issue a platinum coin with $16T stamped on it and tell the Fed Res we are done doing business.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 17:56 | 2892283 New World Chaos
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Why platinum?  A small lead coin would send a better message.

Congress will never do this until after the revolution anyway, and then giving a lead coin will be redundant.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:27 | 2890783 end da fed
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I'm not voting for him but the outcome you mention is what I'm hoping for

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:11 | 2890954 mendigo
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I somewhat agree with the sentiment, but two points:

1) We are in the midst of the collapse, it is not in the future and it may not be the cleansing armmagedon that one might wish for but rather a slow loss of standard of living for many and increasing disparity in standard of living and freedom.

2) You could try voting for someone else rather than one of the jerks who got us into this mess and who will be riding on your children for many years. It's just a thought.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:35 | 2890821 Diamond Jim
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sorry, but a Gary vote is a waste as well. He has no backing in Congress to get anything accomplished (which in a way is good). So it looks like you may "feel better" but you allow PrezOwe to return to level this economy. Better to let it die slowly with Mittens in charge than tank. Atleast you will have some time to dig a hole...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:01 | 2890915 mendigo
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Excellent example of loser syndrome.

Support the status quo!

After all, we're all going to die and then our children can deal with it.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:06 | 2890933 MachoMan
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Excellent example of pragmatism.

fixed it for you

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:16 | 2890963 mendigo
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pragmatic is another word for loser - but thanks anyway!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:47 | 2891351 MachoMan
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You are advocating pissing in the wind...  the political process stands about as much of a chance at materially changing anything as dancing with the stars.  You are also pursuing a false dilemma...  a refusal to vote is not necessarily a "vote" to continue the status quo...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:55 | 2891383 mendigo
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you sound like a bright person

smart people look ahead and see how difficult the path is going to be and then decide to give-up without giving it a try

you may not succeed if you, but you will definitely fail if you don't try

sorry to go there, but i ran accross an old fortune from a coockie yesterday: "If it is neccesary, then it is possible."

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 15:41 | 2891704 MachoMan
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Again, a false dilemma.  Somehow not voting means I necessarily have to give up.  Here's a hint: you change the world each day with your actions, regardless of how involved you are or what you do...  the world is simply the sum of all of these actions...  stop with the logical fallacies.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 16:49 | 2891864 New World Chaos
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A Gary Johnson vote (assuming it is counted) can inspire more liberty candidates to come out next cycle, so it's not wasted.  A RP vote won't be counted anywhere.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:07 | 2890938 laomei
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California wouldn't need bailouts if California taxes didn't go towards subsidizing red states that continually vote for regressive idiotic platforms.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:56 | 2890463 kito
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I say 2015 because I just finished reading the Harbinger. I'm convinced its 2015. And if this country does break down, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a mexican border....the cartels are salivating at an unfettered opportunity to expand their operations into the south/ southwest......

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:14 | 2890523 fonzannoon
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I'm listening to Schiff's radio show. He is pounding the table for people to not vote for Ron Paul. He is all for Gary Johnson.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:18 | 2890538 kito
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schiff hasnt stuck to his guns...hes backing off his hyperinflation call....says the fed will ultimately not print till confetti.....

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:22 | 2890545 fonzannoon
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I think he even surprised himself at this point. Maybe he was secretely hoping he would be wrong and to see his worst predictions come true scares the shit out of even him. Even if he is sitting on a ton of metals and remnimbi the world around him will not be a safer place.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:09 | 2890707 economics9698
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Schiff see's the end game coming to an end.  3-5 years, 3 years, 11 months and counting.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:45 | 2890612 CPL
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It's true...he's done a complete 180 on his position.  Wonder who bought him off.  He looks dead inside interviews over the last three weeks.


Or maybe he now understands what is really at stake and regardless of his feelings of the situtation this collapse is a done deal mathmatically.  We are going into a war time situation his and all of our children will live and die through.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:53 | 2890649 fonzannoon
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I listen to him a lot. To say he did a 180 would be to say he sold his metals and is encouraging everyone else to do so. He is still going with massive inflation but he seems to have stopped short of his old self.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:45 | 2890610 XitSam
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Interestingly, Gary Johnson was two term governor of New Mexico. And was reelected with a larger margin than the first time.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:17 | 2890529 Doña K
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If the USA keeps consuming drugs at the same rate, it deserves the consequences.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:12 | 2890579 economics9698
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Ahhh fuck Dona a little meth here and there.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:32 | 2891106 JimS
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and.... you are a teetotaler, correct? You don't drink any alcohol, nor smoke any cigarettes, correct? Otherwise, your "if USA keeps consuming drugs... " is a hollow statement.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 09:56 | 2894446 Redhotfill
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You know those guys flying the stealth bombers are given meth by the Air Force Dr.s to stay alert during those 24 hr bombing runs.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:29 | 2890791 Renewable Life
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Why would the cartels want to expand into a "collapsed America", there won't be any money here, they'll head South to Brazil!! The drug game isn't a fucking culture war, it's pure, adulterated, profit obsessed business, man!! Why do you think the drug war didn't begin in this Country until the late 70's??? Because before that, we didn't have trillions of dollars in debt and liquidity floating around! Drug Cartels follow easy money, nothing else!!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:18 | 2890971 jumbo maverick
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Shit man do you realize how many of them corn tor tillas they can make if they take over Nebraska Iowa and Kansas?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:36 | 2890385 HelluvaEngineer
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I'm pretty sure the citizens of New Mexico can do a far better job of controlling their border than ICE has.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:18 | 2890536 Joshua_D
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Wait. Do people usually flood into a collapsing economy? I thought it was the other way around.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:23 | 2890550 CPL
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It's a case where the scum rises to the top.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:22 | 2890548 CPL
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I believe that is in Los Narco', The Mestizo Commonwealth's, plan.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:27 | 2890343 Lord Blankcheck
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Obeyme 2012   Chains You Can Believe In

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:34 | 2890373 krispkritter
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The O'biden Adventure: Capsizing the country one election at a time...

We're living in a country where up is down and down is up. And Forward! is backwards...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:27 | 2890348 RSloane
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Yez, this one's a real cliff hanger.  ZzzZZZzzzz

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:36 | 2891182 Treeplanter
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Inspired map drawing.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 14:04 | 2891419 Midas
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I would have sized the states in porportion to their electoral college votes.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:22 | 2890327 prains
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go team fuchsia !

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:22 | 2890329 nope-1004
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Was wondering why my drive through New Mexico the other day felt like it would never end.


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:30 | 2891044 Uncle Remus
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You musta missed out on some Taos Hum, great local food and wonderful mountain views - I am looking forward my next trip over, assuming the Mayans were wrong. You gots to get off the Interstate sometimes ese.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 14:06 | 2891422 Midas
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Copy that, last time I drove through Santa Fe and Taos, I felt it ended too soon...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 14:38 | 2891510 Uncle Remus
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We took the northern leg of the Enchanted Circle to Taos from points east, hanging a right @ Eagle Nest.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:25 | 2890334 realtick
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Is The Data Better Off Than It Was Five Years Ago: Total Nonfarm Employees

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:29 | 2890344 RSloane
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No, that can't be right...I've been assured by partisans on this board [the ones with all the down arrows] that voting for president in every state matters. Even if it doesn't matter, it matters!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:30 | 2890345 Cognitive Dissonance
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I like it best when I'm told what to think, do and say.

So much less stress during national shearing day.

<Can I get my Xanax refilled please....stat.>

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:27 | 2890346 M4570D0N
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Thank the 91st Congress the EC still exists.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:34 | 2890372 pods
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Changing how the rapists enter orfice matters little.  
It is the power they wield that is the issue.


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:31 | 2891062 Uncle Remus
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Only the ratio of rape to pillage is in flux here.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:30 | 2890347 Shizzmoney
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This goes back to J.A. Aderson's article about votes "mattering". 

He's from NY, and basically NY (especially the city) is a Dem-state, so his vote either way doesn't "matter" b/c Obama is going to win the state, anyways, thanks to establishment dominance by the Organized Neo-Liberal Left.  Ditto with Texas and the NeoConservative Right Republicans (or some upstate NY counties).

Any vote otherwise is just a "protest vote" (including not voting) which has significant meaning in the esoteric.....but not mattering in terms of changing things that need to happen for the country to move forward. The voting participation rate, no matter who wins, will be the MAIN come away from this election (because I anticipate it to being so low due to voters' realizing that neither candidate or party offers solutions).

That's why the whole "Tea Party v OWS" argument is so mute because to the Establishment NeoLiberalConservative state, BOTH arguments and groups are basically neutered (especially when their boots enforce this with their nightsticks).

Now in FL or OH, a different story. 

The article asks the question: "How can we make every vote count, especially in swing counties, in swing states that decide elections?"

You probably can't.  Unless of course, money is involved....because in today's Fascist America, that's the only thing that "changes" things in State Houses and Congress Buildings across America.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:34 | 2890370 machineh
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'The voting participation rate, no matter who wins, will be the MAIN come away from this election'

... and EVERY election.

When a hidebound duopoly has ruled for 150 years, the only way to send a message is to not participate.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:12 | 2890517 toady
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I saw a talking head saying most other countries have holidays for election day, so their participation rates are better. That seems reasonable to me.


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:25 | 2890553 Zadok
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Good grief man, talk about side stepping the problem. Given the current state of affairs, non participation is the only rational conclusion.

Troll trying to distract the line of discourse?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:47 | 2890626 toady
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I must admit I am a bit of a troll. I can be a sarcastic bastard, and I do input things on occasion to be thought provoking, to get a rise out of people.

I thought I was on- topic this time... posting a participation rate comment after two participation rate comments.

I do still participate, mostly to vote against new sales tax propositions, and to vote against people. (Unfortunately, I haven't found anybody worth voting for in a long time! )

Definitely Ron Paul this time around.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 08:07 | 2893787 Zadok
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Sorry for the 'drive by' comment, had to get to work. I am quite happy to be able to work too.

You pulled the rise from me. Dealing with the opposite inversion of the current paradigm gets old. White is black and vice versa. All semblance of confidence has been systematically destroyed through experiences. I was perhaps a bit harsh and not well articulated.

I am glad for you if you still retain some confidence in any aspect of our governance, I'll pass based on continuous and unmitigated consistent theft regardless of the subject or office. Simple avoidance has been by far the least painful approach.

Best wishes!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:32 | 2890567 kridkrid
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You'll start to hear lots of reasons, none of them real. In fact, like most things, I would bet the numbers are even more dramatic than what is reported. How do we know that the participation rate is 50%? What if it is 30% and they pad the numbers equally to inflate? It's in both party's best interest to show some acceptable rate. If these numbers aren't a lie now, the certainly could be one day.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:58 | 2890671 toady
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Yeah, just about every number out there has been manipulated beyond any recognition.

Then throw in 100% rates in cuba, north korea, saudi arabia, etc, and it gets insane.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:17 | 2890741 kridkrid
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That's how an awakening works. Like in fight club when Ed norton finally puts it all together... The flashbacks to all of the events along the way that should have told him. Every number that can be fudged likely is... And that is most numbers. I'd never given it much thought before today, but why wouldn't voting participation numbers be a lie? Should I really believe that half of the fat asses get away from their sofa long enough to vote? That's before taking into account those who think that outing is pointless.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:38 | 2890585 Shizzmoney
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Makes sense, too bad the Stock Market is also open on Election Day

In terms of meaning, the Stock Market > Elections.  And the Stock Market is a political athieist; what the Market wants, the Market gets.

Which is why the Federal Reserve (and the 5 TBTF banks), run the country.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:13 | 2890730 Nimby
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If we adopted the Maine/Montana paradigm for voting, it wouldn't guarantee your vote would "matter", but it would make it far more likely that it would, AND if you really did care about your vote having maximum impact, you could simply change congressional districts without having to change states (assuming that there is a "purple" congressional district near your current one).

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:32 | 2890364 Schmuck Raker
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I call B.S.!

Everybody knows there ain't no such thing as "Yellow" or "Green" states. Sheesh!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:32 | 2890368 pods
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If they didn't hold so much power over us, elections would not be the most important issue in life.

With the perfection of legalized plunder, elections are of utmost importance.  We are a warlord society, different from Afghanistan only in how it is implemented.


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:35 | 2890379 Vooter
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Who gives a rat's ass how the oh-so-important "swing states" vote? LOL! Who gives a shit how anyone votes? Oh, wait, I forgot--we're "determining the fate of America's leadership" when we "vote" every four years...what a hoot! You know what? I'm voting for President Gold and Vice President Silver--the rest of you idiots and your "election" can go fuck yourselves. But in the meantime, concentrate REAL HARD before you pull the lever next month for Candidate X or Candidate Y--because it's important! It's really important! Your vote counts! LOLOLOLOL...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:36 | 2890384 krispkritter
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And Florida is still looking like a limp dick state...and more are moving here every day.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:37 | 2890387 francis_sawyer
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Beachfront property in Nevada... I knew the day would come...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:39 | 2890395 OutLookingIn
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Voting is meaningless.

This each four year event exists to give you the impression that you have a choice.

You don't!

Business as usual. Same old. Same old.

Change crew and captain, this USA Titanic is still on course and a date with some ice!  

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:40 | 2890399 Jason T
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Thomas Sowell thinks riots if Obama losses.. the dependent classes who preferred to be given a fish a day Vs learning how to fish are going to be pissed.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:48 | 2890423 ultraticum
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Please educate me. Who's going to take away the fish? Socialists Romney and Ryan? If only we could be so lucky.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:52 | 2890445 Jason T
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Concur, both parties the same in reality.. but folks who got "obamo phones" think if Obama is not elected again, they will lose their "obama phone" is perhaps how I see it.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:00 | 2890471 kridkrid
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Are people being nudged here?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:58 | 2890469 kridkrid
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If you believe that unrest is "pushed", I do find it interesting, the recent talk about civil unrest.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:47 | 2890622 XitSam
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Mmm, how many million rounds of 9mm hollow points did DHS buy?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:07 | 2890939 Zwelgje
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A good race war would serve the elite well.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:31 | 2891060 MachoMan
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I'm not sure they were actually purchased...  As I took the posted documents, it was an open ended contract whereby the government could purchase up to X # of rounds, if it chooses, based upon the terms of the contract... 

I thought they were .40 S & W too...  not to nit pick.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 19:16 | 2892467 XitSam
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I think you're right on the .40 for DHS, but there have a few other contracts in the millions for other agencies.  And I'd need to check on the open-ended part. I was speaking from my increasingly fallible memory.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:45 | 2890416 Dr. Engali
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Damn...I live in fly over country. I guess eleven electorial votes aren't enough to  get included in the pretty picture. 

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:17 | 2890504 Harbanger
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I hate to say it, but it's true, so I will.  Your vote for RP this election (which will only be thrown out and not counted) is one more vote for Obama.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:10 | 2890713 Nimby
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Yeah, I'm told that again and again by "conservatives".  I heard it so much I just decided I'd cut out the middleman and vote for Obama.  Maybe when  the Republican party starts nominating candidates that are actually different than the democrat, liberty-mind conservatives (but then, I repeat myself) won't have to "throw away our votes".


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:51 | 2890419 Winston Smith 2009
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Cost of all 2012 campaigns thus far - $5.8 BILLION

Cost of Prez campaigns alone - $2.5 BILLION

The recent Supreme Court decision to allow infinite corporate funding of campaigns is really obvious this year both in those figures and in the number of calls received by swing state independent voters.  I've received at least 40 calls from Mittens and maybe 15 from Obama's crew.  Now, they're transitioning to human calls from political research firms and away from robots, although I've gotten multiple human calls asking for support for one or the other of our corporate owned candidates.

To anyone, especially independents in swing states, this should clearly make it obvious that their government is owned by deep pockets and that it's simply the division of trillions of dollars in spoils that's at stake which makes such huge expenditures financially profitable.  The cheapest way by far to massive profits is to own a government.

I am no longer a voter.  Like the late George Carlin, I won't empower any of these shills for moneyed special interests with my vote.

Comedian Bill Bur gets it as he explains in the latter part of this video:

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:49 | 2890433 Stuck on Zero
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It's essential to TPTB to make every election look "too close to call."  This forces the candidates to sell their souls to get that last campaign pledge from the billionaires and it induces foolish Americans to vote for TPTB candiate 'A' or TPTB candidate 'B'.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:53 | 2890446 Winston Smith 2009
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Yep, gotta' milk that "lesser of two evils" voting contingent, people who vote for the person they think will screw them just a tiny bit less than the other.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:39 | 2890589 kridkrid
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Not just look too close to call, but literally close. Divide and conquer. Keeping 40% solidly on one side and 40% solidly on the other keeps life easy on the top. Allow the pendulum to swing naturally between the two to accomplish whatever you want. War in the middle east becoming unpopular? Run an anti-war candidate, get him elected, silence the base of the dissent and ratchet up the wars. Or run your anti-government conservative actor turn politician governor and ratchet up govt spending. Easy peezey, lemon squezzy.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:02 | 2890481 Inthemix96
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Swing states?

The most vital swing state with these two one headed cunts hanging from a tree would be the most important one.

Swing states?  Fuck off ZH, who gives a flying fuck who wins?  They are both bad for the consumption of the American populace full stop.  Vote O'bomya if you wish, and vote Mittens if you wish, it still will not remove the 12" dildo of corptocracy from your arseholes.

It doesnt matter, and ZH sould be posting this, and articles supporting it instead of partisan bullshit like fucking "swing states".

It makes folk like me suspicious about ZH's affiliation.  We all know here voting makes as much difference as pissing in the sea, so why persue shit like swing states?

ZH, you were better than this.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:03 | 2890690 toomanyfakecons...
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It's always the spectacle of the race and not the issues. On the global stage, the jig is up. Liens have been placed on the FED and the BIS and the 150+ nation BRICs alliance is on the verge of dumping the petro dollar. The cabal who would start WWIII and keep the world in debt chains have been defunded and overruled, but continue to stall and refuse to admit defeat. They must be routed, arrested, and processed. Monumental changes in history can take place in days or weeks and it's certainly the season for change.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:04 | 2890486 NorthPole
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Can anyone from the US explain one thing to me? You keep talking about the 'independent' 'rep' or 'dem' voters, 'registered dems' etc etc. This sounds like in order to be eligible for voting, one first has to go to the Big Brother and declare 'dear sir, please put me on the list as a republican' in other words you HAVE to declare your views first? What is this BS? In my country you just turn up and fill out a ballot, in private that is, without any prior registrations?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:07 | 2890502 Vooter
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We are a nation of TV- and sugar-addled subhumans. Hope that helps!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:50 | 2890638 exi1ed0ne
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Morlocks unite!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:35 | 2890566 Harbanger
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We first vote in primary elections.  You usually need to be registered with that particular party.  One of the strategies of the Tea Party is to weed out the "establishment" candidates in the primaries so they will never make it to the general elections.  It takes time, but in a few election cycles they can completely change the party.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 17:39 | 2892261 NorthPole
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Well it seems to me this is just an attempt to make it seem like there are no other animals but a donkey and an elephant.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:40 | 2890583 Diogenes
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In the US you have to register to vote and when you register, declare yourself a Democrat or Republican.

Once you get into the voting booth you can vote however you please, and hope your vote doesn't get thrown out.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:08 | 2890706 De minimus
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Yeah I can kinda explain it to you. Candidates are picked by party and in order to vote for your party's slate of people. you must be a member of that party, unless you are an independent, who have absolutely no ability to vote in these elections unless allowed by the party in question. Frequently the parties allow this because they wish to be seen as "fair" and more importantly, presented as fair by the news media. Then you have "voters" who vote as "Republicans"  in the primary where the party's candidates are chosen (normally a lighter turn out and thus greater impact) and suddenly become "Democrats" during the national elections, where the candidates are actually elected to office.

Naturally there is a great amount of room for fraud, abuse and manipulation, since there isn't any enforcement but you only have to worry about such things if you are a Republican. The slate of the candidates has been swinging left for some time in both major parties while the Libertarians are basically excluded from the process by the other two parties. This isn't seen as a problem by most because the Libertarians generally siphon off votes from the Republicans, which helps the Democrats, who are pretty much now just a mix of full blown Marxists, communists and neo-Socialists, bent on reforming the U.S. to at least the European socialist standards of the past.


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:20 | 2890745 SafelyGraze
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NorthPole -

you ask a good question. the process in the US is fairly simple.

first, you present the local Election Board representative with some sort of gift. it could be cash, cartons of cigarettes, or an evening with your daughter. or son.

yes, you declare your views. but only in a provisional way. if those views do not fit either party's needs, you are registered as 'unaffiliated'. but if you subscribe to an existing party's views, the party registration process goes forward. 


after you ask 'what party membership would you suggest for me'? the representative checks the database in case one party currently has a quota shortfall.

the representative then has you strip, conducts a thorough search, then inserts a small chip under your skin (the process is pretty painless) to confirm your votes.

you sign a contract of party agency, provide a list of all firearms in your possession, and give a spare key (for safekeeping) of your safe deposit box.

and that's it! you're now registered!


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 17:43 | 2892269 NorthPole
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-1. Moderately funny.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 17:48 | 2892272 SafelyGraze
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tough crowd in this thread.

good thing it didn't rate "extremely funny"

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:46 | 2890856 brxn
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In the US, you don't need to express any party affiliation to vote in the real election.

The party registration stuff is an optional step and only pertains to the "primary" elections, which is where the party decides which candidate they will push. 

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:12 | 2890510 dbomb12
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That map almost looks like the 10 region FEMA map which will be ruled by the council of governors, Executive Order 13528 when they declare martial law

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:14 | 2890525 Lord Drek
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Oh...I thought this was a map of America after the Second Civil War of 20XX..darn.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:18 | 2890528 edifice
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Reply to Kito, re: "New Mexico" (sorry, logging in bumped this to the main thread).

Didn't Santa Anna say that his generation's grandchildren would avenge the invasion by the United States? It's happening, via illegal immigration; a reverse invasion. Found the quote:

"Let a war be made against them without period, that when we may no longer be able, because Providence may have decreed the subjugation of this unfortunate country, there may remain to our children or grandchildren, when the wrath of the Omnipotent shall have passed, the noble work of revenging the outrages committed by the Republic of the United States on Mexico." -- Santa Anna, 1847

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:55 | 2891380 ceilidh_trail
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edi- laraza is the current day spokesgroup for Santa Ana's dream.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2890762 the grateful un...
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back of the napkin figures that voters in the midwest get 1.3 votes per person (never mind voter fraud in the south) how often will america get stuck with a w bush (lost by 6m votes but got in on the electoral college through scotus) interesting that we have certified that diebold voting machines are not secure, and that you can purchase merchandise on a secure website using sensitive information and its safer than a checking account, but we can't vote online, and paper ballots are actually more reliable.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:03 | 2890928 orangegeek
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Who gives a shit who wins.  The markets are ready to tank and it's going to be a awful mess.


SP500 isn't looking too healthy.



Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:14 | 2890960 TPTB_r_TBTF
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The article needs editing:


Because when it comes to determining the fate of America's leadership every 4 years, the bankers, lawyers, venture capitalists, socialites, marketers, hedge funders, Economist PhDs, and other very important jobs, courtesy of the Electoral College, have to manipulate the votes in such swing states as Ohio, Florida, Iowa and Nevada.


there, fixed it...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:26 | 2890999 JimS
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and..... you are a teetotaler, correct? You don't smoke any cigarettes, nor drink any alcohol, correct? Otherwise, your comment about "drug" consumption in America is a hollow statement.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 15:27 | 2891667 Conax
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The 'Consent of the Governed'-

They don't have that (or can't make the argument) if the voters don't show up.  Voting gives your tacit approval to whomever wins, even if you hate that guy. Local issues, sure. National? Write in Bugs Bunny, he makes more sense than our vaunted candidates.

So you write in Bugs, Obama wins, the dems get the blame for the financial blowout looming. If Romney wins, the neopubs get the blame.  Next time, maybe some real statesman will get nominated.  (hope springs eternal)

Right now, who cares? We're screwed, and it's going to get worse.


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 16:34 | 2891830 shovelhead
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I'm writing in Mamoud Ahmadenijad for President.

At least, out of the other two candidates, he has a legitimate reason to destroy America.

For the others, it's just business as usual.

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