United Swing States Of America

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For the majority of Americans living along the country's coastlines, anything that is not within 50 miles of the the big water is pejoratively called "flyover states", its contents to be avoided at all costs, and its contributions to society and the economy to be loudly mocked and jeered at high society cocktail parties from the Hamptons to Malibu and back (but not inbetween). That is, until election time. Because when it comes to determining the fate of America's leadership every 4 years, the bankers, lawyers, venture capitalists, socialites, marketers, hedge funders, Economist PhDs, and other very important jobs, courtesy of the Electoral College, have absolutely no impact, and it all boils down to such swing states as Ohio, Florida, Iowa and Nevada. For the full cartoon presentation of what states do matter this election, see the cartoon below.

Illustration by Jack Ohman for the Oregonian

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Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:22 | 2890322 LawsofPhysics
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Divide and conquer, everything is going as planned.  Make the election "close",  muahh ha haha ha (sinister laugh).

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:25 | 2890335 Eireann go Brach
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Those damn Mexicans in New Mexico!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:31 | 2890361 kito
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when the economy collapses in 2015, and our borders become porous from lack of funding, that New Mexico will not be New Mexico the  u.s. state, but rather New Mexico the New Mexican colony.......

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:37 | 2890383 fonzannoon
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Kito I usually agree with you, or at least respect your viewpoint. But that is just sensationalist nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself.

2015? Sheesh. Your unbridled optomism is very odd today.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:39 | 2890394 krispkritter
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He said 'become porous'...too late. And California already has th honor of being 'The New Mexico'...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:50 | 2890439 insanelysane
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Unless California wants to be Old Mexico they will stick with the US cause they need bailouts big time.  This election means everything to them.  New Mexico on the other hand needs to start stringing fences on the other 3 borders.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:33 | 2890565 economics9698
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Red Neck Nation will kill the Mexicans and Yids for free when the fiat collapses.  The 85 IQ crowd is reserved for the Hamptons. 


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:52 | 2890643 end da fed
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I need some advice from ZHers- not because I can't think for myself but because i value many of your opinions.

I'm in Ohio. If I write-in Ron Paul, my vote isnt counted because he isnt a registered write-in. It's almost like not voting, which is another option in protest of this travesty of a constitutional republic. Gary Johnson is another good choice but I really want ot write-in Ron Paul. I'm not voting for anyone else.


What do you guys think?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:56 | 2890666 kridkrid
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My advice... Convert paper assets to real assets, make some plans, and realize that everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Oh, and stop worrying about trivial things.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:04 | 2890691 end da fed
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ive done that. i want to be able to tell the sheeple i care about why i dont follow their herd and my vote is one more way to show them something different. some of them are starting to wake up.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:10 | 2890701 economics9698
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Do what you want to do.  If you want to vote for Paul then do it.  You need to sleep well at night.

I love Tyler too, he does not rank up there with Rothbard or von Mises but he's getting there. 

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:15 | 2890736 end da fed
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thanks. I have an "I HEART Ron Paul" bumber sticker too.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:41 | 2891328 JP McManus
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Your vote is going to Obama or Romney.  Whoever wins the electoral votes from your state, whether you vote for him or not.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 16:27 | 2891811 redpill
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So now I can say sitting back and having a beer is my civic duty!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:18 | 2890752 LongBalls
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Then don't vote. It is a waste of time. Save your gas. You just provided yourself with the revelation by saying that you have no real choices since Paul is off the ticket. Don't compromise your beliefs. Where would we be if our founders compromised with King George? Both parties are beholden to the same money masters. Voting for Obama means dependant poverty by the destruction of business and voting Romney means dependant poverty by austerity of the poor. Unless the jobs come back, which they are not, this is certain. The best thing you can do is educate those around you and prepare yourselves. A reboot of the system is coming via the NWO. No vote you cast will change that. All you can do is edcuate so that when the choice of slavery is once again offered as the solution, you and those around you choose freedom. In summary here is my advice: become self sufficient ASAP. When you have done that then anything else left over you need to invest in gold and silver. There is no other plan. If there is I don't know of it.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:30 | 2890799 economics9698
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I disagree with people who say do not vote.  There are a lot of local issues on the ballot that need to be addressed.  If you want to opt out of the federal elections write Ron Paul in or vote for Gary Johnson.   ZHers need to vote, if for no other reason than to help with local issues and politicians, who I might add will be the local power structure if the fiat collapses.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:57 | 2890897 mendigo
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Very important to vote (preferably not for one of the two parties which are raping us) - they want you to be frustrated, confused and hopeless as people like that are easily controlled.

Some options:

Gary Johnson - Libertarian (on ballot in 48 states)

Virgil Goode - Constitution Party (on ballot in 28 states)

Maybe someone could advise the lefty alternatives for those of that persuation.

If they start to see those other party numbers rising (even in the single digits), it will get thier attention (at which pointthey will attempt to make it impossible, but that's another matter).

Americans are suffering from Battered Voter Syndrome - they support the parties that continue to rape them and thier children.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 16:10 | 2891775 LongBalls
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Here is my problem with voting in the current situation (local elections aside). Both parties are the opposite side of the same coin. They are slaves to the money changers just as you and I. The only difference is they are closer to the top and are privy to inside information since in some cases they create it. Thus they are rewarded or reward themselves. Everytime someone puts false hope into a candidate they then adopt the wait and see approach via patience. All the while time is wasted on behalf of a predetermined outcome and our situation continues to erode. We sit back and find the resources of our ability to change the situation evaporate. The longer the people wait the more difficult the correction will be to make. "We the people" is all we have left. The sooner we realize this the sooner we can organize to fix the real problem of debt based money. We need to put social issues aside and return to the foundations of the Constitution word for word.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:05 | 2890909 MachoMan
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The people in the national elections were once mayors...  state representatives...  governors...  et al.  Your entire premise neglects the rot from the local level (micro) that creates the rot at the top (macro)...  not to channel George Carlin's ghost on this one, but he hit the nail on the head.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2890996 Uncle Remus
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I used to have an appreciation for that particular routine of Carlin's, but no more. Voting matters, not so much for whom, but what with...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:43 | 2891181 MachoMan
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If you are going to expand the definition of voting to something not resembling its common usage, then sure...  voting can matter.  In this sense, everyone votes all the time, e.g. with their feet, wallet, etc.  However, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand...  the literal act of casting a ballot.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 14:33 | 2891477 Uncle Remus
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I which case I submit you're being too literal. "Voting" is a means of expressing an opinion or point of view. Traditional methods of "voting" in what is left of the Republic have, for all intents and purposes, been rendered moot - a mocking caricature. In this respect, Carlin is correct.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 15:42 | 2891706 MachoMan
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Good.  You could have simply said that you agree with me, but we've gotten there through the long road just the same.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 11:25 | 2894783 Uncle Remus
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I never disagreed on Carlin's perspective, only your narrow view of voting.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:17 | 2890743 Nimby
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Vote Obama.  Bring the collpase sooner rather than later.  It's not fair to make our kids suffer for our mistakes.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:22 | 2890767 LongBalls
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That's just it. Nobody suffers if we take back the issuance of OUR own money and credit. Congress can issue a platinum coin with $16T stamped on it and tell the Fed Res we are done doing business.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 17:56 | 2892283 New World Chaos
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Why platinum?  A small lead coin would send a better message.

Congress will never do this until after the revolution anyway, and then giving a lead coin will be redundant.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:27 | 2890783 end da fed
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I'm not voting for him but the outcome you mention is what I'm hoping for

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:11 | 2890954 mendigo
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I somewhat agree with the sentiment, but two points:

1) We are in the midst of the collapse, it is not in the future and it may not be the cleansing armmagedon that one might wish for but rather a slow loss of standard of living for many and increasing disparity in standard of living and freedom.

2) You could try voting for someone else rather than one of the jerks who got us into this mess and who will be riding on your children for many years. It's just a thought.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:35 | 2890821 Diamond Jim
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sorry, but a Gary vote is a waste as well. He has no backing in Congress to get anything accomplished (which in a way is good). So it looks like you may "feel better" but you allow PrezOwe to return to level this economy. Better to let it die slowly with Mittens in charge than tank. Atleast you will have some time to dig a hole...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:01 | 2890915 mendigo
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Excellent example of loser syndrome.

Support the status quo!

After all, we're all going to die and then our children can deal with it.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:06 | 2890933 MachoMan
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Excellent example of pragmatism.

fixed it for you

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:16 | 2890963 mendigo
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pragmatic is another word for loser - but thanks anyway!

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:47 | 2891351 MachoMan
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You are advocating pissing in the wind...  the political process stands about as much of a chance at materially changing anything as dancing with the stars.  You are also pursuing a false dilemma...  a refusal to vote is not necessarily a "vote" to continue the status quo...

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:55 | 2891383 mendigo
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you sound like a bright person

smart people look ahead and see how difficult the path is going to be and then decide to give-up without giving it a try

you may not succeed if you, but you will definitely fail if you don't try

sorry to go there, but i ran accross an old fortune from a coockie yesterday: "If it is neccesary, then it is possible."

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 15:41 | 2891704 MachoMan
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Again, a false dilemma.  Somehow not voting means I necessarily have to give up.  Here's a hint: you change the world each day with your actions, regardless of how involved you are or what you do...  the world is simply the sum of all of these actions...  stop with the logical fallacies.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 16:49 | 2891864 New World Chaos
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A Gary Johnson vote (assuming it is counted) can inspire more liberty candidates to come out next cycle, so it's not wasted.  A RP vote won't be counted anywhere.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:07 | 2890938 laomei
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California wouldn't need bailouts if California taxes didn't go towards subsidizing red states that continually vote for regressive idiotic platforms.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 10:56 | 2890463 kito
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I say 2015 because I just finished reading the Harbinger. I'm convinced its 2015. And if this country does break down, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a mexican border....the cartels are salivating at an unfettered opportunity to expand their operations into the south/ southwest......

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:14 | 2890523 fonzannoon
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I'm listening to Schiff's radio show. He is pounding the table for people to not vote for Ron Paul. He is all for Gary Johnson.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:18 | 2890538 kito
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schiff hasnt stuck to his guns...hes backing off his hyperinflation call....says the fed will ultimately not print till confetti.....

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:22 | 2890545 fonzannoon
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I think he even surprised himself at this point. Maybe he was secretely hoping he would be wrong and to see his worst predictions come true scares the shit out of even him. Even if he is sitting on a ton of metals and remnimbi the world around him will not be a safer place.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:09 | 2890707 economics9698
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Schiff see's the end game coming to an end.  3-5 years, 3 years, 11 months and counting.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:45 | 2890612 CPL
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It's true...he's done a complete 180 on his position.  Wonder who bought him off.  He looks dead inside interviews over the last three weeks.


Or maybe he now understands what is really at stake and regardless of his feelings of the situtation this collapse is a done deal mathmatically.  We are going into a war time situation his and all of our children will live and die through.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:53 | 2890649 fonzannoon
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I listen to him a lot. To say he did a 180 would be to say he sold his metals and is encouraging everyone else to do so. He is still going with massive inflation but he seems to have stopped short of his old self.


Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:45 | 2890610 XitSam
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Interestingly, Gary Johnson was two term governor of New Mexico. And was reelected with a larger margin than the first time.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 11:17 | 2890529 Doña K
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If the USA keeps consuming drugs at the same rate, it deserves the consequences.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 12:12 | 2890579 economics9698
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Ahhh fuck Dona a little meth here and there.

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 13:32 | 2891106 JimS
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and.... you are a teetotaler, correct? You don't drink any alcohol, nor smoke any cigarettes, correct? Otherwise, your "if USA keeps consuming drugs... " is a hollow statement.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 09:56 | 2894446 Redhotfill
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You know those guys flying the stealth bombers are given meth by the Air Force Dr.s to stay alert during those 24 hr bombing runs.

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