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Obama-Romney II - The 'Tumble In The Town Hall' Debate - Live Webcast

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This is the real thing. Forget the Thrilla-in-Manilla or the Rumble-in-the-Jungle, tonight's no-holds-barred, no-truth-spoken 'Tumble-in-the-Town-Hall' debate promises much (but will likely deliver little). Fighting out of the blue corner is a toned middleweight - the comeback-kid Barack 'the basher' Obama. His opponent, fresh from victory in their previous epic battle, fighting from the red corner, the deceivingly slippery Mitt 'the mauler' Romney. Intrade has the 'basher' at 60.5% odds of winning it all on November 6th - at its lows of the day after suffering some heavy action in the early afternoon - while RealClearPolitics has the pair evenly matched.

 

Via Intrade:

 

Via RealClearPolitics:

 

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Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:24 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Bourbon!

 

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:28 | Link to Comment JohnG
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Bought 2 liters of Wild Turkey for this one.

I'm not watching though, just drinking shots randomly.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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I bought some Irish Whisky, for marinade, to smoke some fish tomorrow, however, I believe I am going to have to make a run tomorrow after the aspirin and 4 Bloody Marry to get some more for the fish.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:45 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Are you snorting the aspirin?

If not, it = BLS.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:50 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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I will have to see if I can walk tomorrow.  If not, then yes, I will be snorting what ever is within reach.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:08 | Link to Comment erg
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I stick it right in my eye.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment SMG
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So after 20 mins of this, i have one thing to say...

Take me now, Lord!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment flacon
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Romney says no capital gains tax. Does that go for selling gold and silver?

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:33 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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The key is NOT to sell.

LEVERAGE, my friend.

And that right soon.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:28 | Link to Comment markmotive
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Doesn't matter who gets elected because the banks never lose.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/10/16/documentary-how-the-banks-never...

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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Romney just said (twice in a row); "Trickle down economics doesn't work"...

Last Tuesday Ryan said that under Reagan it did work...

WTF...???

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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Why can't Romney explain how his proposed tax cuts will balance the budget..??

Why don't they just say "I'll cut your taxes if you vote for me"...???

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:40 | Link to Comment markmotive
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30,000 unmanned, automated killing drones would disagree.

Has Obama ever watched The Terminator?

Just one way humanity is destroyed:

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/10/16/last-days-on-earth/

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:07 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Tigers 2 Yankees 0.

Enough said.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:25 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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you mean rich old men who buy, sell, and trade young men for sport. Wow, that is a lot like the debates...including passing overall structure costs and risks to the public. 

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Ouch....

Do any of your friends own a NASCAR team?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:23 | Link to Comment fourchan
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did anybody ask the pizza question?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 05:56 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Let's get ready to rumble bitchez.

 

If you're gonna hang around here....you gotta fight.

 

 

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:19 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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A sucker punch into the heart of Americana there DJ.

Much like this farce that passes for a debate.

ori

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:09 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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You will see the entrepreneurial spirit of this country like never before when those clays fly.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:45 | Link to Comment RKDS
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Because not enough of even the stupidest Republican statists will fall for it.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:34 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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"Trickle down government doesn't work".  - Mitt Romney "Check the trascripts"  - Candy Crowley 

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:58 | Link to Comment eatthebanksters
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Your statment is incorrect...he said trickle down government does not work.  Unless Romney has an epic fail between now and voting day, he's our next president...

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment SmallerGovNow2
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Don't tell anyone when you sell..

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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Take me now, Lord!

 

oooh, sorry...Goldman's not hiring.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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You guys are actually watching the 'clown act' ?

You must have stonger stomachs (or stronger whiskey) than I have.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:17 | Link to Comment Tapeworm
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You will need the booze to change the visuals on the 21 stone moderatatrix. I wish that she could have done this in a slinky silk body hugging dress. We occasionally need feminine beauty to lighten our load of male politician blather.

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 The WSJ feed had Sheila Bair on mentioning that neither one addressed the root cause of the ailing economy. She is right and has gone up a lot in my view since we found out what she was really trying to do as head of FDIC. Both parties vilified her as they had to deal with someone that actually took her job seriously, so the smear was on. Once her book promo tour winds down I very much hope that she lets we peons see her notes on the meetings that she attended as head of the FDIC.

 If I was running a news operation I would have her on speed dial for the best that one can exxpect from a godamned gombit regulator.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:56 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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The real thing (Rumble in the Jungle - Kinshasa, Oct 30 74)

video of the entire one hour spectacle in high quality video 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJphXRp0sRI

 

 

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:36 | Link to Comment knukles
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For some silly ass reason I was off by a few years and was hoping for some of "Mad Mike" Hoare's boys recon by fire and lightning.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:11 | Link to Comment Desert Irish
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Funny...what would the world do now if "Mad Mike" and his bunch of mercs were still running around deposimg African Dictators??? Nowdays its called the "Arab Spring"

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:40 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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2l? jfg!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:43 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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I agrpee boo feet!!!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:21 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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urr--m a betchr after 2 leeeeeee terz ov quallllllll y peerbon

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:58 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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:)

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:04 | Link to Comment JohnG
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Hroy dhir U'm freid.....van;t wakl stight.  Dull sim togo.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:42 | Link to Comment turbosuperman
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Mitt Romney Style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTCRwi71_ns

Vote for Obama, so the masses will blame Leftists for the collapse.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:47 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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No. blame the LEFT and THE RIGHT!

Divide and conquer, duhhh.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:55 | Link to Comment turbosuperman
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I understand that.  Most people do not - the masses think there's a difference between Republicans and Democrats.

They associate Libertarianism with Republicans because of Ron Paul.

This ship is going down.  It has already hit the iceberg.  If Obama is in office, then the Left will be blamed by most of the sheep.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Bitches blame.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Sit down bitch.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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turbosuperman

You understand Libertarians, in their true form, are Anarchists.

That US Libertarians are actually small government Republicans.

Ayn Rand hated Libertarians calling them " Hippies of the Right".

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:33 | Link to Comment turbosuperman
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I'm not talking about what I understand.  I'm talking about what the sheep understand.  They see Ron Paul seeking the Republican nomination, so they associate Libertarians with Republicans.

Maybe at one time the Republican party had some Libertarian or small government principles still in it, but those days are long gone.

There are many things two Libertarians could disagree about and still be Libertarians.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:41 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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turbosuperman

Yeah, your understanding is faulty.

First, Paul is a Republican. Gary Johnson is the Libertarian candidate.

Second, most of the GENPOP have no clue Libertarians exsit. It's all tea Party to them.



Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment turbosuperman
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I'm aware of who the Libertarian candidate is.  I actually prefer Johnson to Paul.

Again, this isn't about what I understand.  It's about what most people understand.

People know that Ron Paul calls himself a Libertarian and many have heard him directly or indirectly (Krugman's readers, for example) talk about Austrian economics.  They see him seeking the Republican nomination.  So, they must think today's Republicans at least have something in common with Libertarians.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 01:39 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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Before you assume the libertarian philosphy isn't well known consider this:   Atlas Shrugged is the second best selling book of all time (bible is the first).  It still sells over 100,000 copies/year.

The individual is the engine that moves the world-and profit and self-interest is its only fuel.  This truth will never die as it is also the driving force for all evolution.  Collectivism is for the weak and the incompetent (think psychology or art majors) who rely on state sponsored parasitism for their survival.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 01:44 | Link to Comment UGrev
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Johnson has 0 financial accumen and on that note, he does NOT understand how to be fiscally responsible. 

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 03:07 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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This is a lie (closet republican?)

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment UGrev
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How is that a lie? In comparison to Ron Paul, who has ZERO campaign debt.. Johnson is ~2mil in the hole and begging for money. You call that wise use of funds? I certainly don't. You call that financial skill? you have a strange concept of financial accumen if you think being in debt is is a sign of financia prowess..  

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:28 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Libertarians don't have the balls to be anarchists.  They need to be able to call on the powers of the State they pretend to hate when someone rips 'em off.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:59 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Marxists like you don't have the balls to admit they're fags.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:05 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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There's certainly nothing wrong with being born different from slackjaws such as yourself, but nah, I prefer the ladies.

I do enjoy being called a "Marxist" by your kind.  Your misconceptions keep you stupid and harmless.  Keep banging that campaign drum.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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I always knew you were a fag, I could tell by your constant defense of marxism.  It's not my fault you were reared the wrong way.  You wouldn't survive past the anarchy you want.  You're a tool and a fool.  BTW- You need Govt. protection way more than I do.  Bitch.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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I don't think my sexual orientation has any bearing on the relative merits of Marxism, but I can't expect you to know about such things.  You'd have to read some books or something.  Maybe in the next life.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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Was that a Freudian slip or not?

"I always knew you were a fag, I could tell by your constant defense of marxism.  It's not my fault you were reared the wrong way."

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Bullshit.

I consider myself to be a libertarian, and I do not ever involve the police in anything- and I have been teaching my kids the same since they started Kindergarten.  Even in a schoolyard fight, they are expected to say nothing more than their name.

Last guy that ripped me off is now divorced, gunless, penniless and on a hit-list.  Because I'm the fair sort, I left him his knives and liquor- maybe he'll do the right thing; get drunk and commit seppuku.  Odds are, I'm just going to have to be careful, and make him not there anymore.  If this mythical collapse ever arrives, that'll make squaring up easier, but it's going to happen, regardless- when I see a rabid dog in my neighborhood, I put it down.

The problem with defining a Libertarian is that it's like herding cats- it may be technically possible, but no sane person should waste thier time on the endeavor.

I am emphatically *not* an anarchist, however- I am a big, relatively smart, and dangerous guy, but I get older every year.  There will come a day when I would prefer to lean on the county sheriff, and am not hypocrite enough to say that no one else should.  For the time being, I exact my own justice, but I would rather see a world where men are tried and punished by the consensus of their neighbors- you know, the way the US was supposed to work.

Today, we all have a shit deal- the inmates and the psychopaths are running the asylum.  If you want justice, you must mete it out yourself- but present conditions do not inherantly preclude the possibility that we can (after a great deal of struggle) build a society based on natural law and justice.  That is a better situation for all- I could kill most of the men I consider my betters with my bare hands, but that would lead to nothing more than jungle tribes starving and freezing in the dark.  I'm not a Polyanna by any stretch, but I still think we can do better than that.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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    There will come a day when I would prefer to lean on the county sheriff.

Lots of folks lean on all kinds of socialist shit, too.  I know a guy who got help paying for his cane from the Feds.

As long as there's no hypocrisy, though, you go on with your big bad self.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 07:02 | Link to Comment nmewn
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How is enforcement of law socialist again?...I missed that part.

As you claim to be an anarchist (I don't believe you by the way) I can understand your confusing governing rules for a society as socialism...but that one went right over my head...and seven others it seems.

Is your idea just to go all Rambo on the deal or form up posses for thieves, rapists, murderers and Corzines of the world or what?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 07:17 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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for some it goes like this: is it anarchist? No? then it's statist ;-)

so forget about your "socialist" posses and your "socialist" society

more of a good thing it's always better or something similar, as in eating fifty hamburgers is better than eating one

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment nmewn
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lol...well, "rules of the road" are a good thing in my estimation, just like rules for society. Social behavior is very different from socialism.

Its illogical for an anarchist to go careening down the centerline of the road "just because he wants to"...so he doesn't. But in doing so he has conformed to the rules of society has he not?

This is not to say...on a lonely stretch of highway, I haven't rode on the opposite side just to see what it feels like. It feels great, then I see a car on the horizon and move back over.

Thats not governmental socialism, thats knowing the other driver expects me to be obeying already mutually agreed upon rules and/or law. Social behavior...not socialism.

Socialism would have a government subsidized transponder (Navistar?) on my vehicle with a government subsidized contractor placed grid (Bechtel?) imbedded in the road to automatically debit/fine my account (Citi?) for crossing that line...some sort of weird "statist revenue generating multiplier effect" sucking the liberty out of just being alive ;-)

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Enforcement of law I don't agree with is just oppression, and taking my money to give it to others is redistribution of wealth.

You're really not following this?  It's pretty simple.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:43 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Anarchists eh? I'll accept that moniker with pride!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 06:38 | Link to Comment spankfish
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+1 for Mad Mike Hoare and Ted Kaczynski.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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The global economy is the post 'berg Titanic for most, and a hot potato for those in office.

The entire premise for the politacal elite fucktards is not which team can fix this mess. Rather, it is to not be the one left holding the potato.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment Robot Traders Mom
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@turbosuperman-You are exactly right. One of the smartest people I've ever known said a year ago that he hoped Ron Paul didn't win so he wouldn't get blamed for our inevitble demise. He was right and so are you. The ship is going down, nobody can save it now.

 

+1

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 03:47 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Just as long as it goes down before I have to fork out for that healthcare abomination.  

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:45 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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"They associate Libertarianism with Republicans because of Ron Paul."

They don't have a clue what libertarianism even is .  They might be vaguely aware of the name Ron Paul . . . but know jack about what he stands for.

"Rep/Dem good.  Dem/Rep bad." is about the limits of their parroting.

Sad . . . but true, unfortunately.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:47 | Link to Comment WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Right. So the way will be opened for a right wing strongman to step in. I don't see how that could possibly backfire.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:59 | Link to Comment turbosuperman
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Yeah, because Obama would never sign something like the NDAA.  Whoever is in office is going to declare martial law and try to be a strongman in order to keep power and control.  In fact, I expect many sheep will be begging for martial law and for someone to come save them.

I have no desire to live in post-collapse America, so I really don't care who you vote for.  But, I picture the country splitting into several regions eventually.  It's doubtful the Union will remain intact.  Of course, I also expect World War III, so I guess it really doesn't matter.

As long as nuclear weapons exist, they will eventually do what they were designed to do.

On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for all empires drops to zero.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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turbosuperman

"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for all empires drops to zero."

Actually you can't prove that as a universal constant.

The best you can claim is from this single planet standpoint.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:35 | Link to Comment turbosuperman
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Well, unfortunately Newt Gingrich isn't running, so we won't be going to colonize the moon anytime soon.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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turbosuperman

Same relative space.

Think further, much further.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:45 | Link to Comment turbosuperman
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Do you have some special technology that will allow us to harvest resources from other planets or other universes or dimensions or backward or forward in time or violate the laws of physics and thermodynamics?  Or, what exactly is your point here?

I think your bold button is stuck.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:39 | Link to Comment Braverdave
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I think your hold button is stuck.

My laughing button is stuck :D

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:21 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Gully, the South is going to rise again. And we're coming foy YOU man !!!

and we are taking you to Detroit !!!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:16 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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At least the land is fertile. It was some of the most fertile farmland before that factory thing. And of course, all the decomposing corpses will only add more back to the soil.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:20 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Compost Bitchez! Its whatzs for dinner!!!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:57 | Link to Comment Zadok
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Sometimes they revive.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 01:00 | Link to Comment WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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I hear you. And I actually agree with everything you just said. I don't know if you were joking in your original post, but voting for Obama is suicide. I understand the urge to have the collapse pinned on that fucker, but I worry about someone worse coming in after a collapse if it's blamed on the left. In short, both sides are fukked.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 01:47 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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"As long as nuclear weapons exist, they will eventually do what they were designed to do."

Actually, the longer they exist and aren't tested the less likely they are to function due to materials deterioration.  Neutron generators, for example, have to be tested and replaced every few years but they haven't been doing that at all in the last 4 years.  I doubt whether even 10% of the current stockpile is functional. 

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:02 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Kang!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:48 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Guru!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:22 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:55 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Big Star ~ Kang! Guru!

Käng? Käng?

Guru! Guru!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzsvi9C7rdw

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:06 | Link to Comment The Gooch
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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another treasure - here's a tangential bit of Frippery back atcha,

Brian Eno ~  Baby's on Fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMt1Oy5uQ0w

 

the guitar. . . guitar. . . my mind. . . >!*!<

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 04:00 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

another treasure - here's a tangential bit of Frippery back atcha,

Brian Eno ~  Baby's on Fire

..better throw her in the water.

the guitar. . . guitar. . . my mind. . . >!*!<

...in addition to Mr. Fripp's unique solo, it also features Pink Fairies' Paul Rudolph on guitar and bass.

It's rock and roll, and the message is, "do it!"

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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ahhh, I surrender ~ I'll just lay down the bass for your solo from now on, ha!

"don't write about it man, DO IT!"

love how it lures you in with pretty, then grabs your shirt with noise.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:45 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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OMFGawd.

you always win.  grrrrr.

(listening now)

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:06 | Link to Comment toady
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I'm a kodos man myself.

But what're ya gonna do, it's a two party system ..

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:06 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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+many

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:49 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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'Left' wing or 'right' wing - - - we all get plucked and later slaughtered.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Agreed, WTF.

I have some ins with the local militia groups, and I have been banging that drum for a long time now.  We need a change- sooner rather than later- but I do not want to see feudalism in my home.  Many of those guys have great plans for winning battles, but none worth repeating when it comes to governace the next morming.

Lately, I've been using open-source software- probably just because I'm a contrarian and somewhat masochistic, but it's more good than bad, IMO.  I'd like to see, without committing to the implementation of the results, an open-source Constitution where those who are interested in forming a new government can input changes to create an evolving document that we can submit (not to TPTB, but to our friends and neighbors) as an alternative for the morning after.

Somebody may have tried this- I don't actually know.  But if it hasn't pinged my radar, then it's not big enough to work.  Maybe we need to push it here.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:01 | Link to Comment takinthehighway
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Might want to have a look at this:

http://dixienet.org/rights/corebeliefs.shtml

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:34 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Can't say I disagree with any of that, and I thank you for the link.

But it's the Declaration, not the Constitution.

That being said, everything I can find and blue-sky tells me to pack up and move to Texas- though oddly enough, as the country song says, all my exes live there.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:55 | Link to Comment yakmerchant
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Depends on what you do for a living and how much time you believe remains until this shit tanker sinks.   Demographics say in 2020 Texas may be a blue state.  I'm making plans for 2020 to move to Oklahoma or the sticks of Arkansas.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:22 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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I know you alcoholic fuckers are doing the booze up the ass thing.

New century, new rules, new way to party.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:41 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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Gully,  you get an impressive number of down votes.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 03:11 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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Stop typing in bold or better yet shut the fuck up, you're as annoying as walking in dogshit.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Mae Kadoodie
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I am a Binder of Women.  (And I approve this message).

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:20 | Link to Comment chump666
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Wild Turkey!!!

Get some Buffalo Traces into you.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Silver Bug
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The winner will be whoever can spout out the most lies and hand out the most free candy! Let the farce begin!

 

http://jimrickards.blogspot.ca/

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:36 | Link to Comment Water Is Wet
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Obombney is winning!!!!!  I knew my team would WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:59 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Fighting out of the blue corner is a toned middleweight - the comeback-kid Barack 'Hussein in the Membrane' Obama. His opponent, fresh from victory in their previous epic battle, fighting from the red corner, the deceivingly slippery Willard 'The Greasy Eel' Romney.

Obombney is winning!!!!!  I knew my team would WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This election is a sure thing: America loses.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:48 | Link to Comment Renewable Life
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God I would like to run up on that stage and double junk punch both of those damn clowns, and when they both cry out in pain and scream WHYYYYYYYYYYY.....I'd grab the fucking mic from Candilicous and scream back.......YOU FUCKING BOTH KNOW WHY!!!!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:06 | Link to Comment AsaMatterOfFact
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:24 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Let the games begin!!!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:41 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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cub scouts at the local HD were selling popcorn, so I bot a half-dozen.  2:22 on the microwave is a'cookin' as we speak.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:08 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Holy crap...what is that!!!

Her name is Candy!!!...lol.

College debt is an "investment"?...and O'Barry is babbling...Biden Red Bull style.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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i live ten minutes from this shit show. i wish they had this outside so you could watch my car drive by and see eggs sail at them in real time.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:31 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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I'm looking up the comment on "investments", but a comment around here was "Romney actually got back 43% of the money that he made last year"

Ted Williams was a HERO for making > .400 batting average.

Researching.

- Ned

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:09 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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This is where the stupid "investment" meme comes from, George "rhymes with"

 

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=8435149746&searchurl=an...

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:18 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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an investment for the criminal bankers who have made sure it is never forgivable. Then again, just what is the value of a loan that can never be repaid?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:10 | Link to Comment nmewn
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It used to be called servitude...I have nightmares of them pulling a Castro and saying...you owe X to .gov.

Ju vill vooork (or "volunteer") for zeee state for X years to repay dis debt to "society". Zen ju shall be free.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Oleander
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Its Weaver popcorn, Dow agra.  I just write them a check and tell them keep the popcorn.

My kid does not need to peddle that poison to family and friends. I bought 25 lbs of organic popcorn instead. 

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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My kid does not need to peddle that poison to family and friends.

good to hear parents teaching their kids how the system works, while keeping them as healthy as possible.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:28 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Hope Obama remembered to show up on time.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:42 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Fuck Florida. I have lived here most of my life, and its full of genetic defects.  Rubio is a dickless, flip flop, wonder boy.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:55 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Fuck Florida. I have lived here most of my life, and its full of genetic defects."

Yep...they weren't born here ;-)

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:00 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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I don't know where you are located in Florida nmewn, but New Jersey, New York and Taxachusetts produce all the ones around me.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:02 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Wow lies right off from the moderator..

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:06 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I moved away from them...but didn't cross the line.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:08 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Hey everyone the car manufacturing industry is kicking ass!!

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:38 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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So, in all humbleness, I again apoligize to nmewn and for the first time appologize to EvlTheCat for the diaspora of MassHoles.

Seems that your policies are attractive then do the effect that you experience.  I'm "behind enemy lines" here, don't cha' know.

- Ned

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:07 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Understood.

But could you at least give them speech lessons beforin ya send em down here? Sumpin from the diaphragm instead of all nasally.

And maybe before they're 70yrs old ;-)

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:45 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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EvlTheCat

Fuck dude, everyone but me is a mental defective degenerate mouth breather.

Saves me a lot of trouble defining who to hate week by week.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:52 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Who the fuck are you?  I have been reading your posts all week and have found nothing much interesting in your puke BOLD diatribe.  I would much rather waste my time matching wits with AnAnonymous you flaming pile of bagged doggy shit.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:36 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Agreed.  

Gully, you're a waste of human skin- we're all pissed off, but you're just a useless troll.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:25 | Link to Comment prains
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His trolling isn't useless just MDB hopped up on roids

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:37 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Yeah, I never felt like sucking MDB's cock either.  I come here for ideas that can lead to solutions, not sarcasm.

FWIW, I don't down vote either of them, I just don't like them much.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:23 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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I'm in the part of FL (not a native) where the more north you go, the more south it is. Guns, ammo, free speech and not many Obomba lovers around here, baby. Oh, and jaw-dropping beaches.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:30 | Link to Comment Threeggg
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Let the Faux banter begin !

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:45 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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TOTUS is also on the couch, lyin' there and he's havin' a double-electron charge.  I wonder if his hangover will be so excessive that it affects the follow-on spin.  Or tomorrow, or ???

- Ned

who actually would want to have TOTUS on the platform???  'ya gotta' wonder about the situation among "normal" AMCITS (plus the extraz) who would accept that situation.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:30 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Slammed him on Bakken...pipeline...and coal.

Obama's lying through his teeth on public land...giving permits where no reserves will be found does not equal...production.

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That wasn't a question "Mr.President" that was a statement...sit down...ROTFL!!!

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"Thousands of people"...in Iowa working on windmills...great.

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No taxes on interest, dividends and capital gains on people under 200k?...what say you O'Barry? The problem here is above 200k defines one as rich?.

Big Bird sighting confirmed.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:37 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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Windmills?

What a joke. 

Windmills couldn't satisfy the electrical needs of a residential block.  The energy density just isn't there.

Neither one addresses the real reason fuel prices are rising: debased currency, inflation.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:48 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Neither one addresses the real reason fuel prices are rising: debased currency, inflation."

Very true.

The MSM will not say that to the sheeple...ZH (and commenters) never have or will.

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No immigration reform when O'Barry had both houses of Congress.

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And slammed O'Barry on HIS offshore investments...oh my ;-)

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Who denied additional security in Bengahzi?

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"I'm ultimately responsible"...the buck stops with O'Barry. Finally.

No protest. No demonstration. Daily talk shows were a lie. Goes to fund reaiser in Nevada...the buck just stopped.

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Can we cut this off Candy?...I'm getting my ass kicked here.

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AK47's...this will be interesting.

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See if we can get an assault weapons ban re-introduced?....whup...der it is!

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Fast & Furious bitchez...fucking outstanding ziiiing!!!...Executive Privilege.

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And O'Barry is actually right on his point...I trust Mitt with my rights as far as I can throw him.

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Mitt: China is a currency manipulator...lol...REALLY!!!...we are so completely fucking fucked.

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Choose your poison.

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Obama: Our currency has gone up 11%???

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And saved the 47% for last.

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It was good...Romney won on "most" facts. O'Barry won on emotion.

BUT...Romney "told him" to sit down...O'Barry complied...not very Presidential.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:39 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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Yeah, windmills. Cool concept - but now, exactly HOW MUCH do a few hundred (or thousand) windmills cost and exactly how does that outlay support the 1000 supposed jobs? I wish it would work - maybe someday we'll find away - but for now it is unsustainable.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:48 | Link to Comment ActionFive
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He meant treadmills.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:31 | Link to Comment Robot Traders Mom
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What a couple of assholes.

 

#RonPaul 2012

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:00 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Mom, and I'm sorry to have to be the one who must deliver this message to you.  You know that I love you, and I wouldn't hurt you in any way.  You know that, right?  And you know that I respect RP for his proposals on domestic issues (although he did cheat on you with his internal proposals vs. the actual votes that he took), but, well, he was kinda' like those nasty Secret Service and White House advance team guys and gals who work the advance circuit around the world.  Why, his foreign policy proposals would have embarrassed you if you'd gone out with him in public.

Please, let's face it up close and personal.   You, yourself, are Robot Traders Mom.  Please, for all of ourselves' sake, start a  12 step program and get over your shame and embarrassment.  Admitting to your problem is your first step (something that I know  you can do, and we all know that GW has no clue yet of how to get there ;-o)

We knew Robot Trader and enjoyed his work.  We love your love for RT.  But we would love you to admit your situation and move on to your most enjoyable future (especially when you will inherit your substantial fortune when Ol' RT kicks off from his misbegotten gains, you inherit, and you can actually retire to the Miami location where you are destined).

don't cha' know.

- Ned

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:12 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Where is Robotrader? Did he run off with Mathman? Anybody know?

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:19 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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They are having a bunga bunga get away in Italy with each other.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:34 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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I'm so sorry for his mom, she's rather attractive to a certain group, don't cha know. - Ned

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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New_Meat

"Mom, and I'm sorry to have to be the one who must deliver this message to you.  You know that I love you, and I wouldn't hurt you in any way.  You know that, right?"

That was the start of your coming out of the closet speech right? It sounded practiced.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:27 | Link to Comment prains
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It tooks several years to admit but drinking scotch made him beligerent

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 22:06 | Link to Comment Xanadu_doo
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+1776

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:02 | Link to Comment Overfed
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I really like Ron Paul. A lot. I'm sold on the great majority of his ideas and proposals.

That being said, I'm glad that he will not be President for a couple of reasons. First, the Titanic has already hit the iceberg, the man at the helm is no longer relevant.

Second, he is such a good man, and a decent human being. I would be very sad when the CIA assassinated him for trying to get rid of the Fed and reign in the MIC.

Third, and this is just my personal opinion, I want O'bomb-a to be able to take full credit for his work.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 23:36 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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the most accurate political analysis

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 20:31 | Link to Comment AL_SWEARENGEN
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I'll take a shot each time either one of these sold out cocksuckers brings up the Fed, or any other subject intimately relevant to real people living in America,,    Looks to be a sober evening. 

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