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Art Cashin's Presidential Debate Summary: "Not A High Moment In The History Of The Republic"

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For those who watched last night's pre-presidential theater, our condolences. You were not alone, however. Art Cashin was there too and here is his post-mortem.

From UBS Financial Services

The Debate – Here's how Politico's Ben White described the debate this morning:

DEBATE WRAP: BARE-KNUCKLE BRAWL — It was an intense debate between President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on Long Island last night, with the candidates often circling, interrupting and generally trying to outalpha male each other. Obama turned in a much stronger performance than the first debate and ripped into Romney's tax proposals — especially the notion of cutting marginal rates 20 percent without adding to the deficit — as well as his primary season stances on contraception coverage and immigration and his opposition to the auto bailout. Obama also used his final answer to invoke Romney's 47 percent comments dismissing nearly half the country as free loaders. In short, Obama hit all the points his supporters could not believe he mostly skipped in the first debate.


But Obama was far less effective in making an affirmative case for a second term, saying only that he wanted to create more manufacturing jobs and reduce the debt and deficit and keep investing in alternative energy sources.  Romney had his strongest moments ripping up Obama's first term record, citing the persistently high jobless rate, the rising debt and the lack of action on Social Security, Medicare and immigration reform. Obama mainly tried to refresh his campaign's initial — and largely successful — disqualification effort against Romney rather than making a strong pitch for a second term vision.

What struck me was the large number of viewers, including reporters, who expressed discomfort at watching the debate. The contentious, uncivil nature of it, prompted phrases like "I had to look away" or "I almost switched it off". Certainly not a high moment in the history of the Republic.

Overanalyzing a bit, the alpha-male aspect may have hurt Romney a bit. My thinking was that the first debate made him look competent and human. He could have built on that with a chance to build empathy with the audience, especially women.

While the President was given the nod by a plurality of viewers, I think Ben White hit the mark. The President continues to run on a "why you can't choose Romney platform" rather than a "Why you must choose me". Next week's polls could move markets.


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Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2897758 Dalago
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It took THIS to underscore that government is destroying America?  Strong-arming Ron Paul and his supporters out of contention for the "crazy" Liberty ideas would have been enough to know that there is something stinky going on.


Its not so much the government as its that most people are lazy.  TWO things need to happen to prevent run-a-way gov't.  (1) Honest politicians, haha thats funny, and (2) involved people.  These two will never happen at the same time all of the time.  When you vote you're actually rendering your responsibilities away to some cocksucker. SOO... get rid of fed gov't!  The People responsibilities will be within reach; the States will pick up the slack and more People are more powerful at the State/Local level.  Fed. gov't would simply be an enforcer of contracts and the Constitution under whatever the States decide.  Fed. gov't will be unable to make laws.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:53 | 2897806 Daily Bail
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:01 | 2897841 Pladizow
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Pepsi vs. Coke - Different cans, same SHIT inside!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:32 | 2897942 Nothing To See Here
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I'm surprised the moderator didnt asked the two actors about Michelle's food program and crusade against obesity?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:15 | 2898060 LMAOLORI
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I'm not did you see Creepy Crowley she's even larger then MOO chelle I see you got junked by an Obot your not supposed to bring up the subject that fat ass on MOO chelle is a sore spot only people who can talk about that and get away with it is Snoop Dogg. So plus one from me for the courage to talk about it.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:24 | 2898227 nmewn
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And Crowley is back flipping on Bengahzi, now that the camera is off...same old same old.

What he said in the Rose Garden...

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

Nowhere in this does he say that Bengahzi was a terrorist attack.


Now I direct the rest of this to Mzzz Crowley...

He says "terrible act"..."no acts of terror"...he never calls it (Bengahzi) a terrorist attack and he definitely does not say they allowed members of the September 17 Martyrs Brigade inside the Bengahzi compound itself and paid them to be there!

Read it and weep...

"As far as the Obama administration is concerned, putting local boys in barracks inside the consulate compound was a great idea. Why not? President Obama’s ambassador, the late Christopher Stevens, was, as they say, “reaching out” across the jihad spectrum on official business.

Meanwhile, Ansar al Sharia (“Supporters of Islamic Law”), the al-Qaida-linked militia believed to have led the consulate assault in September, is a spinoff of the February 17 Martyrs Brigade, but that didn’t scratch the lacquered political surface, either. And even as reports remind us of ties among February 17 Martyrs Brigade leadership, the Muslim Brotherhood and the web of jihad-poison spun by Qatar’s Yusuf al-Qaradawi and Libya’s Ali al-Salabi – the latter having been tapped by the Qatari dictatorship to distribute $2 billion to Libyan “rebels” – the focal point remains elsewhere."

Thats the real scandal here...hiring a cheap ass Welsh security firm (Blue Mountain) who hired even cheaper Libyan former and active terrorists to guard the damned compound...Mzzz Crowley.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 17:59 | 2899437 MrSteve
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Thanks for your excellent homework for the rest of us. The Obama administration's lame coverup of its bloody hands-incompetence for the Bengazi Embassy Massacre and then hiding behind flag-draped coffins is reason enough to disqualify these clowns from a second term; never mind the failed uneconomic plans.....

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:15 | 2898061 Deo vindice
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Yet another reason why I chucked out the TV so many years ago. I wasn't even tempted to waste the time.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:04 | 2897850 JPM Hater001
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""I had to look away" or "I almost switched it off". Certainly not a high moment in the history of the Republic."

"I had to look away" - Check

or "I almost switched it off". Check

"Then I switched it off." Check

Certainly the moment in the history of the Republic we realized we were done.


There Fixed.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:32 | 2897947 killallthefiat
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No longer a Republic..Res Publica Ariena

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:39 | 2897979 bigkahuna
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Could not justify my time wasted watching these two. Very unproductive and "mind-fucking".

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:58 | 2898163 Jam Akin
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Didn't watch the "debate".  Decided to play my guitar instead.  Much more productive.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:06 | 2898182 JonNadler
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sleeping would have been more productive

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:13 | 2898204 pods
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I watched a Harry Potter movie with my wife that was on tv.

I know, it is fantasy and needs a belief in magic to make it work, but is it really that different?


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:37 | 2898273 Jam Akin
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Why not?  It's going to take some powerful juju to move us in a better direction.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 13:21 | 2898410 Panafrican Funk...
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Summary of the debate at :43.

Speaking of MTV, the slow motion collapse of the Republic was made very clear to me as a young lad back in 1985 by this:


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 13:49 | 2898478 blunderdog
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Interesting takeaway from Knopfler...but I do agree that if you want to understand American history, you're better off talking to the Brits.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:04 | 2897855 chunkylover42
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I would be careful drawing too many conclusions from this.  Every worker has part of their paycheck withheld for unemployment insurance, which is just that - insurance paid for by the worker.  The program is run at the state level and every worker, regardless of household income, is entitled to have the money set aside for them paid back.  These dollars run out after 6 months, but it's their own money they're collecting.

Extended unemployment is run at the federal level and is generally a welfare program paid for by taxpayers at large.  Households with that kind of net worth or income have no business collecting those benefits.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:06 | 2897861 SokPOTUS
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Presumably, Vikram Pandit would qualify to collect unemployment.  It's not welfare.  It's unemployment.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:08 | 2898037 LMAOLORI
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Social Security isn't welfare either people pay for it themself's along with their employer. I suppose it all depends on your view point the ticker guy has an article defending it.


Latest Lefty Lie: "2,400 Millionaires Get Unemployment!"

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:23 | 2898067 Observer
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True but social security is handled by the government which given that it is controlled by the Oligarchs who play "pass the buck" among themselves is neither social nor secure

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 13:50 | 2898485 blunderdog
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     Social Security isn't welfare either people pay for it themself's

How can you say this while pretending you care about "lies"?

Fuckin' comedy gold.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:16 | 2898062 Observer
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That was a below the belt attempt. They paid premiums for the unemployment insurance when employed so they are collecting the checks when they are unemployed. It is not unemployment checks from the government. Try and understand the difference

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:23 | 2898132 LMAOLORI
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Which is why I put up Denningers article people did pay premiums same is true for Social Security. That's the thing about Socialism/Communism it's a slippery slope.  You either side with the people whose money was taken or the takers. Keep in mind they could come for your gold and silver. If you believe Millionaire's should be able to collect unemployment then the same should be true for the people whose money was taken from them for Social Security irregardless of whether the politicians borrowed from it or not it's still a debt just like any other debt owed by the U.S. 

Would you as a Capitalist believe Money Market Mutual Funds or China or your 401K that is invested in a fund should not be paid back for example? 


The TRUTH About Who Really Owns All Of America's Debt

BTW I didn't junk you


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:40 | 2897759 otto skorzeny
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wasn't this old mick facedown in a puddle of Jameson's by the time the debate came on?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:46 | 2897772 gmrpeabody
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If he wasn't..., I was.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:55 | 2897820 francis_sawyer
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Since when were we a 'Republic'?...

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:01 | 2897840 pods
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That timeframe is debatable.  My thoughts are the time pre-Sumpter.

About the time of the 17th amendment was when we ran with democracy.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:36 | 2897960 Nothing To See Here
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It ended the day national political parties were created. Thanks to Martin Van Buren before he became president.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:49 | 2898005 Nothing To See Here
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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

- Alexis de Tocqueville

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:07 | 2897866 SokPOTUS
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It probably ended about 30 seconds after Ben Franklin walked out of Independence Hall.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:15 | 2897893 Dickweed Wang
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One of the main problems with our schools today is that "civics" is hardly taught, if at all.  Your comment "Since when are we a Replublic?" is apparently a perfect example of this.

You are probably someone who is a US citizen but you don't even know what form of government we have in this country - THE USA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY!  The US federal government (and most if not all state governments) are constitutionally limited republics.  This form of government is different from a true democracy in that the majority still gets to make the rules but they can’t make rules that violate the rights of minority groups without good reason.  Some people call this form of government a representative democracy but the term constitutionally limited republic is most accurate.  This form of government prevents mob rule from occuring where 51% of the population could enact laws that discriminate against the other 49% percent - which is the dark side of a true democracy that folks conveniently forget to talk about.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:55 | 2898015 pods
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Not to speak for francis, but I think he gets it.
Everyone goes around bitching about how we are a republic and not a democracy.

In point of fact, we are a functioning democracy.  So let's just drop the bullshit talk of "a republic."

Many have pointed this out, even in Congress.

Think of it like this:

We started out with milk, but that smelly, goopy mess in the fridge is definitely not milk, even if it says milk on the carton.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:09 | 2898049 francis_sawyer
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trust me ~ I get it & was being facetious...

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:55 | 2898153 Dickweed Wang
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The assholes that run this country have done everything in their power to move us away from our true form of government and towards a true democracy because guess what - their propoganda machine, which is used to control the masses through manipulating "public opinion", doesn't work nearly as well when government operates under the constraints of a constitutionally limited republic.  They want mob rule  . . . . so guess what we are living under now? If we don't force them to go by the rules instead of letting them make the fucking rules up as they go along or when they feel like it - we're screwed.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:19 | 2898212 pods
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I can understand your anger.  I was angry when I first woke up, but that argument (republic or democracy) was settled a long time before any of us were born.

My other standby (learned belief) was in the constitution.  Then as I deeply examined my beliefs, I found this quote to be very enlightening:

But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist. 

-Lysander Spooner


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 13:53 | 2898490 Cathartes Aura
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great quote pods ~ does the job of bringing us to the present moment, instead of endless quoting of how the FF supposedly were or acted.

until folks get their last foot out of the quicksand, there's NO going forward. . .

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 13:54 | 2898496 blunderdog
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       In point of fact, we are a functioning democracy.

Oh, come on.  No pure democracy could ever POSSIBLY have produced 80,000 pages of tax code.  It literally CANNOT HAPPEN. 

We're a failing republic. 

I confess part of me looks forward to the democracy of the lynch mob, though.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 14:12 | 2898563 pods
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I guess all of us have a bit of Mencken in us?

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 14:42 | 2898634 blunderdog
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Wisdom and perspective is often mistaken for cynicism and nihilism.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:14 | 2897890 youngman
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Art Cashin suer does not need a debate drinking game....hes a pro

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:48 | 2897784 CunnyFunt
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Hun, self-medication would seem to be the proper course of action in order to wade through that bullshit.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:49 | 2897792 Cortez the Killer
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werent you cheek deep in some storm trooper's ass?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:01 | 2897817 otto skorzeny
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My tastes run more towards Eva Peron-not the Aztec jungle trash you and your Spanish goons were busy giving deadly VD to.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:04 | 2898036 viahj
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huh?  not this trooper!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:05 | 2897856 CPL
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It's a burden to bear being Irish, you have to drink to your ancestors and family.  There are just so many to honour.

An Irishman is never drunk enough as long as he can hold on to a blade of grass on not fall off the earth.


Two whales go up to the bartender.

The bartender asks them what they want.


The second whale says, "Shut the fuck up, Frank.  You're drunk."

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:22 | 2897913 otto skorzeny
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actually-society has to bear the burden of the Irish through increased healthcare costs and the mental costs of pretending to like them-it's kind of like paying lip service to feeling sorry for Jews and the Holocaust.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:57 | 2898019 pods
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That's far enough kraut boy. Don't make me come over there and jam a potato in your ass!


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 14:31 | 2898601 CPL
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Then it sounds like you need to avoid a centralized, government run medical system if you are worried about alcohol and tobacco running up costs.  Lobby for individual insurance, that should clear things up with your conscience burdened by another man's pint.


Or maybe you could shut and drink your beer. 



Wed, 10/17/2012 - 18:40 | 2899503 MrSteve
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Get it straight, clown, nobody feels sorry for the Jews after the Six Day War. They are not counting on the kindness of others and they are surely done being pitied by fools like you, to quote Mr. T.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:32 | 2897941 Jake88
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I guess you had to be there.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:41 | 2897761 fuu
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C'mon Art get with the recovery dude.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:42 | 2897763 nope-1004
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The President continues to run on a "why you can't choose Romney platform" rather than a "Why you must choose me".


Obammy can't look inward.... too painful to admit the degree of failure.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:49 | 2897790 Buckaroo Banzai
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Obama might be the most worthless, drug-addled, underachieving homosexual communist fetus-murdering crypto-Muslim soviet agent of a President we've ever had. 4 more years!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:41 | 2897986 Bahamas
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Bukaroo forgot to mention: birth certificate Acrobat artist!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 18:47 | 2899522 MrSteve
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Adobe's Illustrator- in layers- not Acrobat, was used to "mock up" his birther certificate. It was output to Acrobat's .pdf format for "publication" on the web at the site.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:02 | 2898031 James-Morrison
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The best reason I can think to vote this year:

  --bringing in a new face into the white house would add jobs to the liquor industry by providing new material for the drinking game.

Obama is as stale as a barroom floor. 

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 14:44 | 2898646 blunderdog
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I'm surprised you didn't call him a Jew.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:41 | 2897764 SilverIsKing
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Do they poll the HFT machines? If not, how can the polls move markets?

Next debate should be held inside a steel cage.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:44 | 2897769 GetZeeGold
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You would have to thimk Bam Bam would have an edge in Thunderdome.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:45 | 2897771 JP McManus
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I dunno. Have you seen him throw a baseball?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:46 | 2897775 GetZeeGold
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I did.....and I told him to stick to basketball.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:48 | 2897789 JP McManus
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We might be able to solve our budget problems if we make the steel cage "debate" a pay per view event.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:49 | 2897798 LongSoupLine
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Dats raycyst yo!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:13 | 2897888 GetZeeGold
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He dat hoe.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:49 | 2897791 otto skorzeny
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more like an edge in bath-house etiquette

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:28 | 2898238 Cpl Hicks
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Drop your linen and start your come de Prez!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:29 | 2898150 Jam Akin
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The HFT machines got a software patch and are going to do a real time feed into the ballot counting equipment this year.


And incidentally...  He knows all the Algos by their first names:  Corzine for President!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:42 | 2897765 azzhatter
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Two filthy lying fucktards try to see who can lie better is a debate? No thanks, they are both assholes and neither is worthy of being called a leader. I will vote against obama in the election but will not feel good about it

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:47 | 2897780 JP McManus
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You don't have to feel good about it.  The fact is, your vote, via the Electoral College, is going to either Romney or Obama.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:53 | 2897805 El Viejo
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Either vote is a vote for the two party system unless its a vote against encumbents.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:40 | 2898112 Nobody For President
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Azz and others, ahem.

There is one perfect candidate, though I am far too modest to name him. (cough)

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:42 | 2897766 apberusdisvet
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Ron Paul would have torn them both new assholes.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:49 | 2897796 otto skorzeny
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O would have been Ok with that.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:50 | 2897799 insanelysane
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Last night shows he wouldn't have a chance.  They wouldn't have let him speak at all and then would say that he never gives details.  Mr. Paul, we can give you 15 seconds before these 2 chuckleheads interrupt, please lay out your economic and social plans in detail, within these 15 seconds.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:10 | 2897876 JPM Hater001
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Actually the image harkens back to the year Alan Keyes was in the primary debates and stopped in the middle and was like "WTF, these guys havent said anything.  Am I the only one listening?"

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:16 | 2897896 JPM Hater001
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If you dont remember Alan Keyes this 4 minute video of the Pheonix debate is wrapped up with Kosovo and perfectly surmises what we have since done, "We have got to be very careful not to lower the threshold of Interviention.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:13 | 2897886 HoofHearted
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Gary Johnson also would have torn both of these bastards new assholes. Hell, my eight year old would have made more sense than either of these motherfuckers. 

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 14:03 | 2898533 blunderdog
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     Mr. Paul, we can give you 15 seconds before these 2 chuckleheads interrupt, please lay out your economic and social plans in detail,

What are you thinking?  Ron Paul doesn't HAVE "detailed" economic and social plans. 

That's what makes him libertarian.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:42 | 2897767 kaiserhoff
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"You belong to the Government."

    Barry Insane Obama

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:45 | 2897768 q99x2
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I didn't watch the debate but what really gets me is that I haven't gotten the camel toe ad for over two weeks and instead keep getting the Abbott and Hast Mortuary ad. Things have taken a turn for the worse.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:50 | 2897801 otto skorzeny
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I pine for the "I Just Pooped" chick

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:31 | 2898255 Cpl Hicks
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Yeah, and where's the "Meh" chick been? The saucy one with the aviator shades.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:56 | 2897823 pods
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Just need to have more "hot latin singles" comments and you will be fine.

Or you can just type meh over and over, as I think that was the shirt.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:07 | 2898044 squib
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It's all gold/silver/guns all the time for me. Pity. I like camel toe. I was in a band called 'Girls Don't Poo' 12 years ago.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:46 | 2897774 MassDecep
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It's a loss loss situation. Just would rather lose with Romney then the last 4 years of communist dictatorship rule. Not saying Romney will continue, just hopefully without hateful contempt for the country.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:39 | 2898115 ParkAveFlasher
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Romney only has hateful contempt for just under half of the country. 

Except if you count seniors, then it's kind of like 54%.

I don't believe Obama hates the country.  He understands how accessible our golf courses are, which he must appreciate.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:46 | 2897779 insanelysane
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O said, "I delivered on all of my commitments and the ones I didn't deliver on I tried..."

O also said, with Crowley backing him up, that he knew and stated on the day after the Libya attack that it was a terrorist attack, and then he sent his people to lie about it for 2 weeks.

Romney doesn't make me confident that any politician can or will do anything different.  There is too much money to be made.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:47 | 2897781 LongSoupLine
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fuck you cashin you twi faced wall street drunk, fuck the "republic" stopped existing long ago, and most of all, FUCK YOU BERNANKE!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2897803 gmrpeabody
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Had a rough night..., eh, Soup?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:56 | 2897822 LongSoupLine
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damn Tyler and his fucking drinking game....ugghh.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:02 | 2897846 The Gooch
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I concur.

Gonna be a loooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg day.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:19 | 2897907 GetZeeGold
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Gonna have to drive home.......I"m way too screwed up to walk.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:47 | 2897782 The Gooch
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This is a controlled takedown. Nothing less.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:47 | 2897785 nonclaim
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I want the next debate, if any, to be moderated with taser and pepper spray.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:52 | 2897807 otto skorzeny
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If that's the case they should try to "peacefully demonstrate" without a permit from Mayor Hebe in NY.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:48 | 2897787 therearetoomany...
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The most telling comment of the night?

"Gas was $1.81 when I took office because the economy was in trouble."

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2897804 insanelysane
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forgot that one.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:17 | 2897903 HoofHearted
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"It's now $3.85 a gallon because the economy is in trouble and we've let the Bernank go apeshit all over the dollar trying to evalue against the yuan. Those assholes won't change a thing, so we've got to make it easier for you to choose to buy cheap shit made in the U.S. rather than cheap shit made in China. What don't you idiot voters understand?"

(Stuff Obama should have said if he were honest)

I just had a helluvan idea. Make these bastards take sodium penathol before the next debate. And then give them anothe rinection before each new round of questions. If they don't tell the truth, at least the may OD on the drugs and we can get votes for the Libertarians, Constitution Party, Green Party, Lyndon Larouche, William Jennings Bryan, Ross Perot, anyne!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2897794 Mercury
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Romney is such a fish.

After a string of flops, another one of the President's "public equity", green energy companies goes belly up THAT DAY.

A lay-up right? I mean, Romney is a private equity guy and a supposed champion of free enterprise and...


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:54 | 2897812 insanelysane
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Shows that these guys are prepped and locked in days before the event and their "handlers" don't give them any current data because it hasn't been rehearsed.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:06 | 2897834 Mercury
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It's not just that.  You would think a guy like Romney would be able to articulate compelling, fundemental differences between a  fire-breathing socialist like Obama and himself...and he can't.

Illegal aliens are now merely “undocumented” according to Romney and he couldn’t even contrast himself during the “what would you do for women” question with Obama who, according to his own web site, wants to make American females lifetime dependents, wed to the government much like nuns are brides of Christ.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:13 | 2897883 SokPOTUS
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Romney the Mormon making an Obama analogy utilizing nuns as brides of Christ would have gone over big. 

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:29 | 2897928 Mercury
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Well, he wouldn't have to use those exact words but the point it is people like Obama who despite all their bellyaching about the separation of church and state, want the government to function more like a comprehensive, organized religion.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:19 | 2897889 Dr. Engali
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I agree...Obama gave him a bunch of softballs and Mitt missed every one of them. Mitt should have hit him on Solyndra and the like...The illegal bankruptcy of GM.....the fact that the women in Obama's administration are paid less then men. And the one I really wish he had pushed harder on is Fast and Furious.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:23 | 2897800 Kaiser Sousa
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a waste of fucking time...

what is the point of a debate when both r agents of the ruling elite which have already decided which bitch their gonna let stay in their house over the next four years???


and to think that there r millioins who still believe that either represents a substantive alternative to the other, and that their vote determines the outcome...

fucking dumb ass sick fucking country this place is.... 



Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:30 | 2897933 Sweet Chicken
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I agree and don't be afraid to admit it. Let's face it most of these dumbshits are our family and friends. They won't wake up until the noose is firmly crushing their necks or the jack boots have stomped in their skulls.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:53 | 2897814 mayhem_korner
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The belligerent tone of the candidates is consistent with that of society at large.  Technology enables intensive "passive-aggressiveness", but in a live setting, the "passive" part is out the window.  Plus you have a world full of testosterone replacement and viagara fueling the bravado.  I can't imagine why people would be surprised.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:58 | 2897829 Quinvarius
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Obama talking about how we need more taxes pretty much ended his chances.  No one wants to hear that shit except welfare recipients

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:04 | 2897843 mckee
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How do you reconcile "ended his chances" with 47% want to hear that shit? Seems kind of contradictory.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:51 | 2898009 Quinvarius
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Felons have voting restrictions of some kind in almost every state.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:59 | 2897831 mckee
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My own little Machiavellian spin on things is that a vote for Obama sticks him with the cosequences of his wingnut policies. May be the worst thing that could happen to the guy!

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 18:58 | 2899542 MrSteve
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You're confused. The great American public is stuck with the consequences of Obama's truthless policies....

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 09:59 | 2897833 GoldenTool
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Did he say republic?  What is that?...


operari sequitur esse



Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:00 | 2897837 earnyermoney
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Any one besides me get robocalls after the debate last night, whining about Romney being a bully who needs to grow up. Heard the message on the answering machine this morning. Pissed me off as it woke up my kids.


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:33 | 2897944 Sweet Chicken
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People still have land lines?!?!?!

Sorry your kids gotten woken up. My three never sleep past 6am regardless. :/

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:43 | 2897992 earnyermoney
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Yes, land lines still exist in the South. :-) They still work when natural disasters cut the power to modern mediums of communication.


I can set the clock to my kids awaking at 6:00 a.m. 

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:06 | 2897852 holdbuysell
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"The contentious, uncivil nature of it, prompted phrases like "I had to look away" or "I almost switched it off". Certainly not a high moment in the history of the Republic."

That's foreshadowing if I've ever seen it of what's to come in the US, and according to the below quote, people are waking up, even if they haven't quite yet pinpointed the key drivers of the disaster-in-waiting:

"Citing polls from the corporate media, Mosaddeq writes: “The majority are now skeptical of the Iraq War; the majority want an end to U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan; the majority resent the banks and financial sector, and blame them for the financial crisis; most people are now aware of environmental issues, more than ever before, and despite denialist confusion promulgated by fossil fuel industries, the majority in the United States and Britain are deeply concerned about global warming; most people are wary of conventional party politics and disillusioned with the mainstream parliamentary system.”

“In other words,” he writes, “there has been a massive popular shift in public opinion toward a progressive critique of the current political economic system.”

Linked from Krieger's site (


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:05 | 2897858 rwe2late
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And in other less publicized news:

Presidential candidate [on the ballot in 85% of states] Jill Stein and running mate Cheri Honkala barred from attending, and then arrested.


Thursday, October 18 --

The Independent Voter Network debate between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson can be viewed live on October 18, 2012 beginning at 7:00 PM EST on , or on’ Google+ and YouTube page. More information at:  


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:21 | 2897911 fuu
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"Following their press conference, and still prevented by security and police from entry, Stein and Honkala sat down in the pathway and following warnings from police were handcuffed and placed under arrest."


What a country.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:05 | 2897859 Vooter
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Why would anyone watch this shit?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:09 | 2897871 Dr. Engali
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For the distraction of course..that and the illusion of choice.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:36 | 2897966 Wakanda
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I practiced guitar and cleaned part of the kitchen instead.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:06 | 2897863 Flakmeister
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The debate reflected the polarization that currently exists....

If this had been an antebellum debate, (imagine Franklin Pierce, now there was a inept president) someone would have challeged the other to a duel....

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:08 | 2897867 Yen Cross
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Come on Art? Let's get real! Would you rather the two of them sat there and ingraciate each other like a couple teen age girls, while our country falls off a cliff?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:14 | 2897892 rwe2late
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Best quote:

"I understand there is some kind of event scheduled for this evening that will feature two known and proven liars mouthing pious rhetoric, brazen falsehoods and scripted zingers in a process carefully crafted by their paid handlers to exclude any substantive examination of
genuine issues of vital concern to the citizens whom the two known liars purportedly wish to "serve."

I understand this will be followed by
an outpouring of fetid gas emitted by a series of third-rate intellects and clueless goobers in various media who will examine the body language and facial expressions of the two proven liars to determine
which of the liars might have gained the most political benefit from their lying and zinging and pious posing. The end result of this process will be that one of the two known and proven liars will become the
temporary manager of a world-spanning, treasury-bleeding war machine which they will use to kill many innocent people over the next four
years while continuing to degrade the lives and liberties of their own citizens on behalf of a brutal, stupid and rapacious elite."


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:20 | 2897902 “Rebellion to t...
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The media unyieldingly injects itself to the side of the democratic party.  If one sat and listened to and read the media's take on current politics, we'd be led to believe Obama is a bright guy who inherited a mess and is working his hardest to get this country back to health.

Romney is portrayed by the general media as an unlikeable, money hungry, kill or be killed capitalist; ready, willing, and able to change his mind as the wind sees fit.

I believe Obama is a proven hack, led around by the nose by some shrill, despicable, low life humans from Chicago who really just want to cling to power so they may enjoy the perks and future wealth the office of Potus provides.  Obama had 4 years to work on ideas he said he'd fix.  Bottom line: he FAILED, miserably.  Then he lays blame every where, as any child would.

I am willing to believe Mr.Romney deserves a chance to try and lead us in a new direction. He also may fail; but he seems worthy of the opportunity.

I am so fucking sick and tired of the class warfare and the racists accusations that constantly remind me of why I really dislike Obama, and his minions and filthy handlers.

I hope I am wrong, because I believe the voters of this country believe what they see and hear.  I am expecting 4 more years.  If we re elect this A-hole, we deserve what we get.

I hope the people of this country realize that if they just think for themselves a little bit, they may realize the guy we now have is a no good lying bum.  Mr. Romney should have 4 years to prove himself worthy.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:48 | 2898004 InconvenientCou...
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The primacy of your opinion is surpassed only by your divine patience with all the stupid worthless people that don't look, act and think like you. Mitt couldn't have a better ally.







Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:08 | 2898017 “Rebellion to t...
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The USA, is by and large, fast becoming a nation of retards. Look around and see for yourself.  My guess is you are one of the McDonald's Nation disciples who eats his Big Mac with one hand and looks at facebook with the other, all while you should be driving your car.  

Quit being an asshole and rejoin the human race.  

People used to be civil and even kind to one another.  

Now they just watch bad cable, eat fast food, and listen attentively to pundits and scam artists as if it were the word of God. 

So get off your fat ass and go for a walk.  Health care costs are sky rocketing because fat dumb fucks like you and your predisposition for massive junk food overeating and inactivity, causing diabetes.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 14:14 | 2898567 Cathartes Aura
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Quit being an asshole and rejoin the human race.  

People used to be civil and even kind to one another. 

your patience with Romney evaporated rather quickly once challenged, didn't it. . .

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 15:00 | 2898693 blunderdog
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    Mr. Romney should have 4 years to prove himself worthy.

Right on, man, it's like you're channelling Pelosi!

"We have to elect him to find out if he can be a decent President."

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 15:45 | 2898842 “Rebellion to t...
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Yeah, that's generally how it works.  In Obama's case, just because he's told us he is a great leader, you very well may believe him.  Personally, I think he is just another recipient of affirmative action.  If this f'ing idiot was white, he'd most likely be a TSA agent at Logan, sniffing/stealing women's underpants.

When said candidate is deemed qualified, and after winning the primary... most rational people do not judge/predict someone's ability as Potus before he takes the office. They wait a while to find out if he's full of shit like BO.

I also prefer to see how events unfold before I applaud or condemn.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 15:49 | 2898916 blunderdog
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Fine, fine, but you're from a nation of retards.  Why should ANYONE care what you think?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 15:58 | 2898988 “Rebellion to t...
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I'm guessing you have had McDonalds 5x this week already and you text while you drive.  I'll bet you a nickel.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 19:06 | 2899557 blunderdog
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I'm thrilled to be a subject in your fantasy world, but just a moment ago you were pretending you wanted people to be civil to each other.

It must suck when you're not even loved inside your own mind.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:28 | 2897924 Frank N. Beans
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the wife and i couldn't believe how the pundits were falling all over themselves to declare Obama the "winner" right after the debate.  The pundits kept focusing on how Romney messed up on the Libya answer, as if it had any real bearing. 

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:43 | 2897993 Jake88
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Romney didn't "mess up" the Libya answer. If you check the facts he was technically correct and he pointed out that not only was the president lying and covering up from the beginning, but he was continuing to be deceptive.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 14:53 | 2898671 blunderdog
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I originally tuned into the webcast via the "Election Debates 2012" website.  RIGHT before the debate started, some host turned to some teevee-girl and pretended she was a journalist by asking, "What stories are you hoping to write after this debate?"

Rather than call out the incredible contempt for the debate process inherent in the question, she answered without hesitation. 

"We want to see movement."

This isn't about ideas or anything--it's just a boxing match to "the media."  They really can't afford to pay any attention to issues involved, so they have to pretend it's some kind of "real" competition.

Romney won the first debate, now Obama HAS TO have won the second, so that the third can be the tie-breaker which will hopefully turn out "too close to call."

It's just good storytelling.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:36 | 2897965 walcott
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For Gov. Romney on marriage. Will  translate as clear as possible for welfare dirtbags.


If you're going to blow your load in that community cum bucket make sure you're capable of raising the child with dat' ho you dumped in biotch.


And if you're living in a car in LA or the OC with two kids don't knock the bitch up again you fucking morons.






Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:39 | 2897975 Jake88
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The only thing that really annoyed me about it, aside from the puppet and the idiot puppet involved, was the moderator actually entering the debate on a couple of occasions.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 10:40 | 2897984 EternalVigilance
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These 'debates' and all the analysis surrounding the debates is theatre and diversion. The Commission on Presidential Debates, a bipartian corporation, is in place to see to it that this charade never discusses the issues and ideas which could actually solve the problems facing this country.  Once again corporations have captured an instrument of information and choice for the people of this country.   

Check the source.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:36 | 2898013 walcott
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Imagine George Washington fielding questions from the stomach shill Crowley? What a joke.

May as well have had JLO and Hulk Hogan debating. They probaly would have had better ideas. How dismal this is.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:07 | 2898045 jplotinus
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As there is no economic difference between Democricans and Republicrats, it seems to me this election involves a reckoning based on who between O and R can best maintain domestic tranquility and foreign equilibrium (I did not say peace) in the coming years?

I give O credit for having preserved a modicum of domestic tranquility from 09 til now. That was no easy task in my view and was not something that could have been taken for granted. People know that things have become unglued and unstable. People are angry. Rarely a day goes by without a ZH thread jam packed with comments about hoarding ammo, gold and survival victuals. Some are spoiling, nay, begging for an excuse to throw down and live from gunfight to gunfight.

So, kudos for O for keeping his cool and for living up to his "no drama" reputation.

I don't think R has either the same reputation or skill set.

As for foreign matters, O has continued the noble US tradition of confronting countries having no armies of their own by pouncing on them with the latest and most expensive wares the MIC wants to sell and profit on. R on the other hand appears to be more willing or less anle to avoid picking on countries having either moderate military capability, like Iran, to picking on Russia and China, countries that have the capability of fighting back and/or causing economic disruption in retaliation for US bluster and belligerence.

That is not cool. You heard it here first.

Just say-n


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:09 | 2898050 Miss Expectations
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So, I guess that a Homeland Security purchase of over one billion hollow point bullets was not top of mind for the studio audience?


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:41 | 2898120 pods
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Didn't see a lick of the "debate" but I can assume the question never arose about how long do they think the FED will monetize the deficit?

Or a follow up as to how the gov will pay bills once interest rates normalize?


Wed, 10/17/2012 - 14:17 | 2898577 dadichris
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good comment - not one single "real" issue was raised, I bet.

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:24 | 2898074 trichotil
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not to mention irish cryptojews like oybama's granpa.


Obama's Jewish "Irish" Grandfather -
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 11:30 | 2898091 sharky2003
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I have to say, I've seen more facebook posts about people who FINALLY seem to be putting two and two together lately than ever before. I'm sorry it's taken this long but I'm glad the Sheeple are finally waking up!

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