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Citi On The Election: "Ignore Pundits & Partisans; HuffPo Data Says Obama"

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With less than 20 days to go to the election, the Presidential race has tightened following Romney's performances in the debates, as the Republican challenger has overtaken the president in the national averages for the first time this year (and RealClearPolitics has him with an edge in the electoral college also). But ever the fair-and-balance bank, Citi believes that Obama's advantages remain substantial, as an incumbent president in an improving economic environment. In this broad discussion, the Pandit-less bank addresses 'the data' driving their Obama call, what would have to happen for a Romney win, the Senate and House split, The Tea Party (and other unusual events), and the 'bungee jump'-causing headline risk of the pending Fiscal Cliff debate.


Via RealClearPolitics (today):


Citi: The Data-Driven Case for an Obama Victory

Since August, we've argued that President Barack Obama is likely to be re-elected to a second term. Our view, based on a political science assessment, derives from Obama's year-long lead in the polls and from the marginal improvement in the US economy. While the race has tightened over the past two weeks, we nevertheless reiterate our call, while underscoring that the president’s lead has narrowed and the race has returned to the state of play of late summer, prior to the conventions. In our view, investors should focus on the political fundamentals.

With over 500 polls having been conducted in the United States this year, we pay attention to the totality of the data and to the main trends. This focus on rolling averages makes more statistical sense, and it avoids the 'house effects' that come along with a reliance on any individual polling outfit.

Despite Governor Mitt Romney's recent bounce, Obama maintains his lead in the rolling average. The Real Clear Politics average is subject to more volatility, and showed Romney leading between October 9 and October 16.

This year-long lead is important because, historically, incumbent presidents who have led their challengers all year have gone on to be re-elected, while incumbent presidents who fall behind have been defeated. These incumbents were often behind as early as May (i.e. five months ago). The conventional wisdom is often flatly incorrect here. As we discuss later, 'come from behind' victories are incredibly rare, if indeed they've ever happened.

At the same time, as we noted in September, the US economy hit its lows three years ago and is not in recession today, and the swing states have added almost a million jobs. Looking at other elections in mature industrialized economies in the past year, leaders presiding over countries with positive economic growth, even nominal growth, have tended to be re-elected, while those where the economic indicators were going into reverse have been voted out of office.


Why Not Romney (Yet)?

Governor Mitt Romney's poll numbers have surged since his strong performance in the first debate on October 3. Will it be enough to see him to victory? After a week, some commentators suggest that the Romney bump may already be receding, with all eyes focused to see if the momentum can continue.

Romney’s favorable ratings, long a persistent liability, have improved six points over the past month and 15 points since the peak of the grueling Republican primaries. Romney enters the end of October a far more popular candidate, but still one struggling to win over a majority of voters. Favorability ratings are highly correlated with election results, and Romney was hampered by his “upside down” ratings all year.

  • Romney's rise the national polls hasn't been matched by better performances in the states. Romney's national boost has translated into leads in only two more swing states: Florida and Virginia. Arithmetic says that if Romney makes gains overall, he should also make gains in the swing states. Without these gains, reversion to the mean may be forthcoming.
  • Obama still leads in seven of the ten swing states. Obama only needs to win 53 electoral votes among the swing states to be re-elected, so even the loss of Florida's 29 votes doesn't substantially endanger his electoral math. Romney needs to make more headway to overtake the president, gaining 79 votes of the 130 at stake.
  • Swing state voters aren't easy to convince. These states have seen far more campaign activity than the rest of the country, so voters there have been exposed to more information about the candidates and are therefore more likely to have firm opinions. It's also clear that Republicans have been significantly outspent by Democrats up to this point.4 These factors make swing state numbers much harder to move than the electorate as a whole, and that's exactly the dynamic we've seen.
  • The momentum in the US economy is still positive, albeit sluggish. After more than three years, the US employment rate dropped below 8% this month, an economic milestone. Yet Obama saw no discernable boost from the change. In our previous assessment, we cited academic studies highlighting that economic indicators have surprisingly meager effects on election results, especially the unemployment rate with its r2 of zero.
  • The premise of the Romney campaign remains problematic. Romney is ahead of the president in most assessments of his competence on the economy, the overwhelming top priority of voters this year. Romney has argued that Obama should be fired because of the sluggish state of the US economy. But despite slow growth and high unemployment, voters may have lowered their expectations for the recovery, and may not be focusing on these indicators as much as may have been expected. For those who ask why Romney doesn’t lead in an environment of US economic woe and a global anti-incumbent trend, this number may hold the key. A recent Pew poll found that only 36% of Independents, the quintessential swing voters, had heard bad news about the economy recently. The balance heard good or neutral news. This number is striking because it highlights the struggle that has faced Romney all year.
  • The right direction/wrong track number has improved. Pollsters have historically asked voters whether they think the country is headed in the right director or off on the wrong track. As we've mentioned in past, this key indicator has been upside-down for as long as a decade and is indicative of a pessimistic 'new normal' in the United States. But the 'right direction' number has approved 10% since July, and this shift is also to Obama's benefit.
  • Political scientists and forecasters say the fundamentals still favor Obama. Professor James Campbell, the dean of the election watchers in the American political science community, looked at thirteen models published in peer-reviewed journals and found that eight of the thirteen models journals forecast an Obama victory. The combination of all 13 models gives Obama 50.2% of the vote. Other popular models from The New York Times' Nate Silver and Emory University professor Drew Linzer also point to an Obama win.


Bush-Gore Redux? No.

The closeness of the race raises the possibility of a Bush-Gore situation, where the victorious candidate wins the Electoral College but loses the popular vote. This eventuality, which has only happened once in the past 124 years, is highly unlikely.

Obama still leads overall, and in an electorate of 140 million even a 1% victory means a margin of almost 1.5 million votes. Furthermore, arithmetic suggests that Obama's margins of victory in the larger swing states of Ohio and Pennsylvania should more than balance out Romney's margins should the latter win Florida. Anything is possible in politics, but we feel comfortable putting a negligible probability on this scenario.


'Come From Behind' Elections, and the Lack Thereof

That Romney has been able to repair his image, damaged by hard-fought Republican primaries and gaffes like his "47%" comment, is significant. This trend is the best single argument to be made for new strength underlying the Romney campaign. Favorability is far better correlated with electoral outcomes than economic indicators which, as we've demonstrated, are not very predictive. So with three weeks left, what are the prospects that Romney can come from behind to win?

A review of past elections shows that the leader in Gallup's October polling has gone on to win in almost every case since 1948. This year, Obama is the October leader. A rolling average of Gallup's polling this month, provided by, shows Obama with a 2-point lead.


And even Gallup's two 'come from behind' cases are problematic. The 1948 campaign is remembered for Truman's relentless whistle-stop tour and that famous "Dewey Defeats Truman" headline. But polling was in such a primitive state at the time, it's difficult to know whether Truman's campaign was truly in jeopardy.

As we have previously noted, the typical narrative of the 1980 campaign, where Reagan swung the election in the final weeks, is flatly wrong. As usual, we look at the totality of the data. Carter – hobbled by vigorous opposition inside the Democratic Party, economic "malaise" and the Iran hostage crisis – trailed Reagan as early as May. This year, a number of commentators have been quick to point this out.

As mentioned, endangered incumbent presidents trail their challengers long before Election Day. Should Romney manage to buck this trend, it would be a first in modern presidential history. To us, the rarity of this event is another argument in favor of our base-case scenario: Obama by a nose in November.

Democrats on Top in US Senate

We also reiterate our earlier view that the political status quo will continue after the US election: Obama in the White House, Republicans in the US House, and Democrats in the Senate. Republican chances to win the Senate have receded since our last update.

Of the ten Senate races we identified as competitive according to the polling data, Republicans lead today in three (Arizona, Indiana, Nevada), none of which is held by Democrats. Democrats lead in seven (Connecticut, Massachusetts, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Virginia and Wisconsin). Retirements will be a wash: Democrats will pick up Maine, while Republicans will pick up Nebraska. Other races, like Florida and Ohio, are not competitive and will be Democratic holds.

Republicans need four seats to take control, but a Democratic lead in GOP-held Massachusetts may mean that Republicans could even lose a seat. Republicans appear to have fallen behind in Montana, North Dakota and Wisconsin, not to mention Missouri, where they led earlier in the cycle. Democrats hold only small leads there, as in Virginia and Connecticut. These states will be the chief battlegrounds over final three weeks.


Fiscal Cliff: 'Bungee Jumping' & Headline Risk

After the election, Washington's focus will shift to the fiscal cliff. The outgoing 'lame duck' Congress will meet for another two months.

Our basic thesis on the fiscal cliff has been simple: if you have the same players and the same situation, you should expect the same outcomes. Our base-case scenario is that the players remain the same: Obama in the White House and a divided Congress. We expect another piecemeal, short-term fiscal deal that temporarily resolves the fiscal cliff problem. The question is the timing: during the lame duck Congress, or in January after tax rates expire and sequestration begins?

Only a handful of legislative leaders will be key players in fiscal cliff negotiations. This is a positive development for the prognosticator, because it means one can ignore the press statements from the pundits and even from most Members of Congress, because they will not be in the room when a deal is cut.


With the resolution of the fiscal cliff buried in the minds of only a few, it's impossible to forecast accurately how the sausage will be made.


Even so, we highlight these possibilities for investors:

  • The influence of psychology & election results. Beginning the day after the election, legislative leaders and the President will look to see how their respective parties fared in the election, and how it might affect their leadership standing within their caucuses. From this they can demonstrate how much they can sell to their own Members and how much room for compromise exists. In reality, this means that the roadmap for a fiscal cliff solution is determined by their psychology and their perceptions of the election results. We'll be paying close attention to leaders' statements in reaction to the election.
  • 'Bungee jump.' Policymakers are concerned less about winning than avoiding losing. Going over the cliff for a short period in January may allow both Republicans and Democrats to avoid the toughest of votes, and it's an option that has been discussed widely in the press, both by us and by others. While not necessarily our base-case scenario, we caution investors to be aware.
  • Headline risk. Regardless of what happens on November 6, we should expect to see a very vocal debate inside both parties about 'who won' and 'who lost.' This debate will be played out loudly in the press in the context of fiscal cliff negotiations. If the news is particularly dire or suggests an impeding showdown, there may be market action in response. But investors should remember that very few of these people, even seemingly senior Members of Congress, will have influence over the process.
  • Republican sweep. A victory for Romney or Senate Republicans may mean that the GOP, fresh from victories at the polls and looking to put their own stamp on a fiscal cliff solution, will hold off until January for its own fix. Timing becomes important, as the new president Romney wouldn't take office until January 20, twelve market trading days after sequestration begins. (And January 20 is a Sunday, which could push 'day one' activities back another 24 hours.)
  • Blanket extensions. Though few commentators have discussed it, the possibility of simple blanket extensions to expiring tax cuts and budget cuts is there. Political players tend to downplay this scenario, if only because the simplest solutions have seemed to bedevil Congress over the past few years, but that shouldn't exclude this case as a possibility.
  • A summer tax package? Obama and Romney have talked about passing comprehensive tax reform in the new Congress, though certainly their packages would look quite different. Both Republicans and Democrats see this commitment as credible, and Hill staffers have been taking meetings and drafting legislation. A new tax code would be about as big a piece of legislation as Congress considers, so the idea that there may be a tax package in the summertime will affect the fiscal cliff negotiations in the winter.


The Unlikely Scenarios

Though multiple outcomes are possible, we feel comfortable putting low to negligible probabilities on these cases:

  • Republican 'capitulation.' Some have suggested that Republicans will merely defer to a re-elected Obama or, alternatively, a rogue group of Republicans will bolt from their own party to join with the Democratic president. But this isn't a very accurate picture of legislative politics in the United States. In reality, the one-year fiscal deals of the past few years have been cut between President Obama, House Republican Speaker Boehner and House Democratic leader Pelosi. The majority of both Republicans and Democrats signed off on the packages, leaving ample room for endangered Members on both the left and the right to protect their seats by voting against it. This roadmap is more likely in the American context than the idea that a cadre of renegade Republicans stands ready to throw their lot in with Obama.
  • The 'grand bargain.' Some commentators have suggested that policymakers can agree on a plan that will provide a definitive resolution to America's deficit problems and reform tax and budget policy. Many of those holding this view are from the business & economics community, where such a 'grand bargain' would certainly be very well-received. But even the historic budget compromises of the 1980's and 1990's weren't so far-reaching, so it stretches the mind to imagine that this option is in the cards for 2012.
  • No action. Even in this era of polarized politics, no commentator believes that Congress will take zero action and send the US economy back into recession. The question is the timing of a deal, as well as the substance.


A Note on the Tea Party

In our view, the numbers don't support the argument by some observers over the past few years that there is undue 'Tea Party influence' over the US budget process. Today the Tea Party Caucus has 60 members, a fraction of the 241 Republicans in the US House.9 This proportion is enough neither to block legislation nor to unseat the Republican leadership, should they want to pressure Speaker John Boehner on these issues. (There are four Tea Party members in the US Senate, out of 47 Republicans there.)

It is worth noting that despite Tea Party influence in the 2010 Congressional midterms, Mitt Romney is not a Tea Party member. Rather he was regarded as an establishment candidate in the Republican primaries, not the representative of any ideological or issue-based faction. (Congresswoman Michele Bachmann was the Tea Party candidate.) Congressman Paul Ryan is also not a Tea Party member. He would be considered a budget hawk, although many Tea Party members would certainly support him.

So conservatives and Tea Party members would not see a Romney loss as a rejection of their beliefs. Almost all these members sit in strong Republican districts and will be re-elected this year. To us, this factors into the psychology of Members as they react to the elections and turn their focus to the fiscal cliff as we've described.


What Next?

The next US President will face significant tests at home and abroad. The pressing issues of debt and the deficit will remain prominent, and foreign policy challenges will return to the fore.

With January elections in Israel pushing back the imminent threat of an attack on Iran, the civil war in Syria at a stalemate, and the continued dynamics of a post-Arab Spring region, the Middle East will remain in the foreground in 1H 2013. Likewise, US policymakers will deal with the persistent economic crisis in Europe and with new leaders in China.

2012 has been a very political year for the United States, but worldwide political risk shows no sign of abating in 2013.


Source: Citi


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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:20 | 2902878 wretch
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HuffPo?  WTF, Tylers?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:23 | 2902890 kaiserhoff
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ilene ~ ?  I didn't know where that fucking thing was, until she started using it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:19 | 2903275 redpill
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Not that it really matters but Obama is so done you might as well stick a rural Indonesian hunting fork in him. I'm not looking forward to Mittens but anyone that is still calling it the other way is fooling themselves.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:40 | 2903306 Carl Spackler
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Amen redpill.  A tsunami has built between Obama and four more years.

Obama shot himself in the head today by saying, "4 dead Americans is not optimal."

Tomorrow, AM radio hosts across America will be asking... Then how many dead Americans is optimal, Barry, 4 million...from an Iranian nuckear weapon ?!

Such moronic outbursts give Obama no ability to try to slow Romney's momentum in the next couple weeks.  This talk of Benghazi, Libya undercuts any other thing Obama says in the next couple of weeks.

Strange, but in the end, Obama exposed himself, and Americans were shocked at what they saw.

Game. Set. Match.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:21 | 2903612 GernB
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Two and a half weeks in political years is like... a lot of years. A lot can happen. And remember we haven't seen all the cool October surprises yet. We have yet to see such scandals as: a friend of a neighbor implied that Romney may have had an inappropriate relationship with his dog.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:29 | 2903740 RSloane
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The first couple of times you said this I thought you were wrong. Now, I think I was wrong you're right.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:27 | 2902903 PartysOver
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Wow somebody has a mind blowing Entititlement Hangover.  

Hey, PartysOver.


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:55 | 2902978 Silver Bug
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What's improving about the economy?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:38 | 2903074 Pure Evil
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Obama's re-election chances and Citi's perpetual bailouts from the Fed.

If Obama gets re-elected you definitely want to be seen writing a puff piece documenting the insurmountable odds of our Glorious Leader.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:39 | 2903527 Ed Shrugged
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GDP is increasing. Unemployment is below 8% for the first time since Obama has been in the white house. I know those numbers are bull shit, but it doesn't really matter whether the economy is actually improvong. If the brain dead voters think it is improving, then that is enough.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:30 | 2903620 GernB
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Yes and if it were a Republican in the white house with numbers half as bad, NBC, MSDNC, CBS, the NY times, Washington post, etc would feature a relentless stream of commentary and stories about how bad the economy is, how much it's hurting the common person, how polls show people blame the predident, whether it's fair to pin it all on the horrible Republican policies, etc. I still remember the stories about how the people really were suffering even though the numbers didn't reflect it during past Republican administrations.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:54 | 2903636 LMAOLORI
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True we would be hearing about the Misery Index, the gas prices the BBC would be over here doing pieces on the homeless in America in short it would be non stop on the nightly news. About the money supply we can thank in part the non (rofl) political fed.

In July, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke testified to the Senate, where one of Fisher’s Harvard classmates, the ineffable Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), clearly hoping the Fed would give the economy a pre-election boost, exhorted Bernanke: “The Fed is the only game in town.” Good grief.

Two months after Schumer’s exhortation, the Fed announced a “highly accommodative stance of monetary policy,” meaning expanding the money supply by buying $40 billion of bonds every month for an undetermined number of years, lasting “for a considerable time after the economic recovery strengthens.”

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:22 | 2903614 GernB
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The money supply has been just growing like crazy.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:24 | 2903045 ACP
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Here's another study, with 100% accuracy since 1980:


But with all the funny bidness going on, who the fuck knows?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:34 | 2903382 Urban Roman
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<= Diebold.

<= exit polls (if they still take those anywhere)

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:59 | 2903116 Go Tribe
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Citi. That's the $3.80 a share stock, right? (reverse split ignored). Why should I listen to people who run banks worth friggin' $3.80 a share.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:46 | 2903309 Carl Spackler
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I hit the green, up arrow.

These are the words of an investment grade asset manager.  Not someone who buys US Treasuries or Facebook stock.

"Go Tribe" are you actually Kyle Bass in disguise???

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:57 | 2904002 Go Tribe
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Not unless he's a Cleveland Indians fan (the horror, the horror....)

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:32 | 2903295 Zap Powerz
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I, for one, do not give a flying fuck who wins in November.

The SS America already hit the iceberg folks.  We have a 16 trillion dollar hole in our hull and were taking on water (1 trillion dollars per year) fast. Deciding who gets to be captain of this sinking ship is about as useful as re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Im already on the life boat friends. 

But if it helps you feel better for a while, knock yourself out and cheer on your team.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:47 | 2903533 Dane Bramage
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I'm betting the government will get re-elected.  :(

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:37 | 2903626 GernB
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Honestly, I think it matters very much. Who is the captain of the sinking ship can make a huge difference. Many decisions will have to be made and a panicy and violent public will have to be dealt with. I think who has to respond to that could be critical.

Unfortunately, your also neglecting the possibility that there are people who want it to crash so they can grab power.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:47 | 2903761 NidStyles
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The only thing that will change is which side of the coin get's to do the lynching and who it is that they lynch. Nothing else will change.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:21 | 2902879 kaiserhoff
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Then again, Citi can't organize a two car funeral.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:10 | 2903018 ss123
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Maybe Pandit didn't agree with Citi on this one.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:51 | 2903221 Larry Dallas
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Citi is no different than the MSM. No different.

This is like asking NAMBLA to oversee the Boy Scouts of America.

Dissapointed that the Tylers didn't block and tackle better.... :(

(Yes, i made a sad face. You all thought it and i said it, bitchez!!!_

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:22 | 2902883 Bay of Pigs
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And yes, I skimmed through it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:28 | 2902904 kaiserhoff
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meinen Mundpups - usually translated as bad breath, but literally "fart-mouth".

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:29 | 2903056 BigInJapan
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Dogshit? What? HuffPoop? Yeah.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:22 | 2902887 nmewn
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Well, if Huffpo says it...its gotta be true...ROTFLMAO!!!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:30 | 2903059 knukles
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I stopped at Huff Po and dropped down here to make facetious comments and witty, worldly observations of an intellectual nature

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:42 | 2903088 Pure Evil
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So knuckles when can we expect the witty repartee to begin?  -];o)

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:33 | 2903065 SmallerGovNow2
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Yep, fuck Huffpo, fuck Citi, and FUCK YOU BERNAKE....

We believe anything any of the TBTF and lame stream media have to say?  Because no one saw any of the past negative events coming...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:23 | 2902892 SilverMoneyBags
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If the economy was improving (which it isn't look at JPMs forecasts on GDP) the increase would be attributed to optimism about Obama's term coming to an END, not because he did such a wonderful job. Its all about context and perspective.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:25 | 2902895 Squid Vicious
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It's all coming down to the "un-decideds" - the most retarded specimens of all 'merkans... god help us

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:36 | 2903073 SmallerGovNow2
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"the most retarded specimens of all 'merkans"....

you must not have seen the Obama phone bitch yet....

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:25 | 2902898 Duke of Con Dao
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:27 | 2902902 blunderdog
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Well, I still think he's going to win.  This script was written almost 3 years ago.  But hey, one can always hope.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:30 | 2902911 DirtyHowi
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not that huffpo is a socialist leaning bird cage liner to begin with, but with pandit leaving chiti to become ben bernanks skin flute player how can they lose??  (just a SWAG, but CEO's dont just "step down")

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:39 | 2902932 HD
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Media wants, needs and will always create a horse race at election time. All about ratings and clicks.  Go team blue/red you can do it! Will your team win?!

Viewers tune in for the forth quarter of a tied, down to the last second Super Bowl. People nap through a 35 to 7 blowout.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:44 | 2902949 Wakanda
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Huffpo?  Are you high Ty?

BO looks and acts like a one termer.

Goldman says Mittens and what Goldy wants, Goldy gets.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:56 | 2902981 jumbo maverick
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Looking at the map if we could lop off the west coast, all of new England and Florida(just because it is Florida) then we all could at least start to rethink how things are done in America.
Funny how those three geographical areas are responsible for a great amount of the problems the entire country faces.
And someone is gonna say well what about Washington dc you stupid idiot. To me I don't even consider dc part of America.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:09 | 2903016 Doubleguns
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Earth quakes out west, terrorists with nuke in NY. Your dream might come true. I pray not but there must be some level of odds on those things happening.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:46 | 2903096 Pure Evil
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Look, just Lorena Bobbitt the state of Florida and everything will be fine. Don't need to eliminate the whole state.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:49 | 2903472 BreadnH2O
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Gotta agree with D.C. but not sure bout the rest... how would red states keep getting more tax money (then what they pay in) from the other states you lop off? More interesting is Today on the internal #s of gallup today... makes your point (scroll 1/2 way down or so)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:09 | 2903551 njfeds
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lop off the west coast and new england and you get left a steaming pile of shit.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:58 | 2902987 lakecity55
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the islamo-communist is toast.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:00 | 2902990 lolmao500
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Romney needs to win Ohio, Florida, Colorado and Virginia otherwise he's toast.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:33 | 2903183 Fedaykinx
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he doesn't have to win ohio but that scenario does make it much more difficult.  virginia, florida and probably colorado are all going red.  i'd bet on the first two.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:45 | 2903974 JimBowie1958
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Colorado is the only one of those I  have any reasonable doubt that Romney will win, the rest are in the bag.

Though I despise Romney, I fear Obama and many other Americans are starting to feel the same way.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 10:27 | 2904109 Omen IV
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"i fear Obama and many other Americans are starting to feel the same way"

 -- then what does this poll mean in the article?

would rather have baby sit your child?  obama -49%  romney -36%   ???


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:02 | 2902995 Dr. Engali
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I'm sorry but if the Huffpo were a paper I wouldn't wipe my ass or my dog's ass with is.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:38 | 2903077 knukles
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What a coincidence!

I stopped wiping the poochie's bungs with the HuffPo and started with the NYT until I got so ever disgusted with the Krugmn-Dowd-Freidman troika of unintelligible nonsense and have since moved to the front section of the WSJ which I'll use until my subscription runs out at year's end.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:39 | 2903084 SmallerGovNow2
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Rather use FRN's to wipe with...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:50 | 2903316 Carl Spackler
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I wipe my Labrador Retriever's behind with the New York Times.  Just saying.

(The Gray Lady..."All the shit that's fit for a canine's behind" we know why she's'd be too with dog feces all over you)


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:07 | 2903410 Tsunami Wave
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I thought we were just over this a couple of days ago, with that huffpuke article on ZH about why all the conspiracy theories/debt is bad/bernanke is a psychopath talk about the fed are wrong?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:02 | 2902997 The Gooch
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Every time I see/hear "huffpo", I picture an illegal
Immigrant with a paper bag and spray paint all
over his face. Spray paint purchased with a link card.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:07 | 2903012 blunderdog
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You're out of your element, Donnie.  That's a stupid image.  Huffing is for "middle-class" white teenagers. 

The illegals can always get the best drugs.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:21 | 2903038 The Gooch
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"They're fuckin' Nihilists"

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:39 | 2903082 knukles
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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:47 | 2903097 Overfed
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Gawd, I love Big Lebowski references!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:31 | 2903178 The Gooch
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"WoW" (Egyptian fast food)

Drive-thru fallafel.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:07 | 2903009 lolmao500
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If democrats can win more senate seats and the republicans get more of the house, and Obama is elected, we can finally have some real fucking gridlock!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:04 | 2903251 mkhs
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Really?  The repub house rolled over for NDAA.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:29 | 2903517 Ed Shrugged
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With Obamacare and Dodd-Frank going into effect, the president now has so much power he can just ignore congress and do what he wants. There's a reason whay he hasn't lifted a finger to help any other Democrats get reelected. He doesn't need them.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:09 | 2903011 Bicycle Repairman
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Let's hope for a close race, so that Ron Paul write-ins can be the difference that sends Romney down to defeat.  BTW the article mentions Tea Partiers, but not Ron Paul = FAIL.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:59 | 2903103 Pure Evil
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Obviously you're under the delusion that Presidents in the US are elected by the popular vote.

As in Rome, only the Pratorians get to select the Emperor.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:09 | 2903014 EvlTheCat
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Can't wait till Florida has another "hanging chad" or "Default to Bush" moment.  One can only imagine what will be the latest round of theatrical drama from the Sunshine State.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:11 | 2903020 Bicycle Repairman
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Jeb is no longer the governor of FL.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:17 | 2903029 EvlTheCat
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You must be right.  So all the corruption in our great state just vanished. *poof*  I feel confident now. Thanks BR!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:55 | 2903110 Pure Evil
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It hasn't vanished, its just been replaced with Diebold machines.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:43 | 2903389 Bicycle Repairman
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You're welcome.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:12 | 2903024 Spastica Rex
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If Big O wins in November, the next 4 years of Obama Hate is going to make the old Bush Hate look like true love.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:22 | 2903041 EvlTheCat
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I was just reading my kid The Vile Village by Lemony Snicket and the phrase "small potatoes" comes to mind.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:41 | 2903086 knukles
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If the O looses, you can bet some of those "it takes a villages" is gonna be burnt down.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:01 | 2903121 Pure Evil
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Once that happens how will you be able to distinguish the burnt out buildings from the residents.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:14 | 2903145 EvlTheCat
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Last I heard from the CDC, fire doesn't kill zombies.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:38 | 2903191 Spastica Rex
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If I can't enjoy an even modestly functioning country, I will make lemonade and enjoy pure chaos instead. Until it kills me, of course.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:39 | 2903301 Zap Powerz
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If Romney wins this will happen:

To which I say: good.  nothing like a race war to speed up the zombie apocalypse.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:58 | 2903331 ZeroAvatar
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Agreed.  Let's get this party started.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:21 | 2903039 Totentänzerlied
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Arianna Huffington's Populist-Marxist Rag says Obama? I for one am shocked, SHOCKED I say!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:59 | 2903334 ZeroAvatar
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Huffpo Obama pickle smokers.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:30 | 2903063 Turin Turambar
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I'm no fan of Romney and won't be voting for either of the establishment candidates, but HuffPo is really smoking crack on this one.  Traditionally, independents who are undecided break towards the challenger late.  Romney, the big government Progressive, is gonna beat Marxist Obama in a landslide.  Mark my words.  The looks on the useful idiots will be priceless November 7th.  Still, we're all screwed anyway.  We just get a few more months with Romney.  :-(

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:22 | 2903565 John_Coltrane
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But, here's the good news.  A Bernake resignation and a a likely hawk like John Taylor running the FED.  No more interest rate suppression and thus, citi is toast-thus their self-serving analysis.  I'm betting on this outcome via puts on nearly every loser company for Nov through Jan.  And consider this:  TESLA Nov puts are incredibly expensive relative to calls because without Mr Green Energy (92B$ subsidy) in the white house the only electric vehicles will be golf carts-just as it should be. Rich hollywood celebs will have to blow their bucks on some other toy.


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:37 | 2903075 Cabreado
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"After the election, Washington's focus will shift to the fiscal cliff."

Ya see, it's drivel like that that renders the whole article useless.

A quick scan for lies saves time.
Betcha we're all getting pretty good at it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:41 | 2903087 knukles
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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:24 | 2903164 disabledvet
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i agree. "fiscal cliff my ass." they'll be knee deep in Syrian gore...with a Libya kicker "just for shits and giggles." the deficit thing really is the tell of this pie in sky California Dream Piece. Really HuffPo? The fiscal cliff? Really?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:56 | 2903107 EvlTheCat
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I just think they forgot to complete the thought Cabreado.  I am sure what they meant to add on to the end is, "and how high they are going to raise the debt ceiling in order to kick the can down the road another 4 years."

See if you put it in that perspective it is only a little white lie..


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:38 | 2903078 Whatta
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Kerry in a landslide!!!! Pundits and predictions are shit.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:47 | 2903099 Caracalla
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Above all else, we just need to make sure Congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling again first of the year.  That way, all of my short positions are golden!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:50 | 2903104 Duke of Con Dao
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:25 | 2903167 lolmao500
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Really? Stewart loves to interview war criminals... Musharraf, Obama, Clinton, Kissinger, Biden, Rumsfeld and many others. He never call them for what they really are.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 20:56 | 2903113 Everybodys All ...
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Arianna has an agenda and she makes it known to all who read the HuffPo every day. It so slanted to the left that I'm not sure there is a Democrat that can write for them because they would not be liberal enough.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:02 | 2903124 AGuy
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It boils down to this: "Whom ever is likely to deliver on the most entitlements wins". Its that simple. Young people don't vote, and older workers vote religiously. The older voters want their entitlements. Most of the red states with the exception of Texas don't have very many electoral votes. Its the states with the most electoral votes that matter. If Romney wins it will be very close race. My guess is that Obama wins. Obama might be Carter, but Mittens in definately not Reagan.

No matter who wins, the younger generations lose. Forced to pay for the entitlements for the older workers. Most people believe its the older people will be hurt by Obama\Romney care. Not true, its the younger people, who will be forced to pay for it.

If Mittens "The Closet Socialist" Wins:

1. Sides with the Democrats to raise taxes on the working class, but no increases for the .05% richest, or at least new loopholes to protect them from any higher taxes.

2. New tough Gun Control laws, and new taxes on Gun and Ammo purchases. Resistrictions or ban on Internet Ammo Sales. Romney passed Gun Control measures as Governor of Taxachusetts. Don't see any reason why he would change as President.

3. More TSA and Homeland security measures. Further regulations to restrict freedoms. Reduced regulations for companies, but increase regulation for individuals.

4. Continuation of the Obama Foriegn Policy - further destabilizing the developing world. More US troops sent overseas under  the "Lets get tough on Terriorism agenda". War with Iran? Possibly unless Iran collapses first from hyperinflation.

5.  Replaces ObamaCare with RomneyCare (perhaps nothing exceptionally different, besides the name). New entitlements or at least better payment increases (higher COLA for SS). He will rally Boomers\Retirees to help him get his policies passed.

6. National Sales Tax (The Fair\Flat Tax). Under the disguise to get rid of the Income tax. But after the new tax become effective, the income tax remains. Now the gov't shakes you down while making money, and spending money!

7. Taxes on PM purchases and sales as dollar tanks? Possibly. There will certainly be new capital controls enacted! As Inflation becomes a problem over the next four years, they have to do something to keep people invested in Dollars to prevent a rapid decline. Perhaps a return of price controls (aka Nixon during the 1970's)

8. More Drilling, More Fracking, More Coal Mining (most of it going overseas instead of domestic consumption). Energy will be sold to settle foriegn debts (or at least to prevent them from dumping the dollar in mass). Energy prices continue to rise for American consumers. Return of Gas Lines? very likely.

9. Major Riots if Mittens wins by a slim majority? Possibly. This would help the federal gov't restrict more freedoms "For the good of nation". Policy to put National Guard and regular troops in America Cities to secure them from violence, but really just to protect the interests of the Wealthy and politically connected. Average Worker gets hassled with Checkpoints, Random searches, etc. Longer commute times (rail, car, air) because of increased security measures.

* If RNC takes control of the house and Senate: same outcome. RNC will "Stand behind their man", even if he promotes a socialist agenda. Much like the RNC members did to pass the Bush Prescription Drug program, Farm subsidies, etc.

Perhaps the only option that doesn't completely screw the working class is if Obama wins and the RNC controls the house and senate, creating grid lock. Although the automatic tax increases next year will likely be painful.




Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:41 | 2903198 Bicycle Repairman
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I'd say you've got the Romney program nailed. 

Write in Ron Paul.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:08 | 2903411 blunderdog
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     Obama might be Carter, but Mittens in definately not Reagan.

Boom.  +10

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:19 | 2903153 thegreatsatan
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Bitch please. I had to recover my password for this fuckstain of a site simply to comment about how monumentally fucktastic this stupid post is. 



Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:23 | 2903160 tony bonn
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any vote for obamney is a wasted vote.....

however, this analysis is quite cogent.....i have always likened romney to bob dole and i think the rubric still holds...not withstanding that soetoro is ineligible to be president....fucktarded amerikans don't care...


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:23 | 2903163 thegreatsatan
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And I'm sorry, any election prior to 2000 has zero fucking bering on what we have today. The lack of a 24/7 news cycle, Internet, Twitter, FB etc. Voting blocks have hunkerd into their bunkers and refuse to move. "undecides" are just people too lazy to pick R or D on their fucking voter forms or dont want the stupid fucking spam mail associated with either party. 

There is zero real excitment about an Obama second term outside the true believers. The vast majority of Americans are too fucking dumb to realize they are dependant on Government for their very survivial so I dont buy into that theory either.

Citi hasn't spent enough by themselves to seal an Obama victory anyway, and even though 2008 was bought off by GS, this time around they realize that there will be nothing left once the looters and moochers have their way with 4 more years of the half breed.  

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:45 | 2903210 docj
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Wait - I thought the spin was that the Banksters were sick of their old boyfriend and were putting their vote (the only ones that matter) behind Rmoney. Now you're telling me (or at least the idiots at HuffPo would have us believe) that Citi - charter members of the Bankster cabal - can't quit Choomy yet?

Sheesh, it's so freaking hard to keep up with the bankster press these days. I simply can't keep up anymore.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:55 | 2903226 Carnegie_IB
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Garbage in, garbage out. 

Citibank certainly has not demonstrated humility, integrety or respect for it's own business operations. 

Citibank has demonstrated a lack of personal accountability for the actions it takes which ultimately reveals its beliefs are about entitlement instead of performance. 

I would recommend ZH remove this trash save being able to see such garbage may offer value in one way or another. 

I will vote for neither of these candidates. 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:29 | 2903288 HeadBoiler
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HuffPo is a joke - at this moment they still show Obama with 277 firm electoral college votes.  I actually realized yesterday that yet another somewhat convincing data set has been right under our noses -- Cable news ratings for the debates.   Fox crushed all other cable news outlets in debate ratings for both Presidential debates thus far (first debate), and they even beat CBS for the second debate.   

What better bell weather for enthusiasm is there than which network is watched (and/or which sources of crap and bile are being avoided) for the debates?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:56 | 2903327 ZeroAvatar
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"Citi believes that Obama's advantages remain substantial, as an incumbent president in an improving economic environment."


This is otherwise known as 'The BIG BANK Theory'.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:30 | 2903378 russwinter
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The Gallup Poll Citi is so high on shows Romney up by 7% today, was 6% yesterday. In fact Romney has led during all of October with Gallup.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:11 | 2903409 ebworthen
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We have crossed the Rubicon.

Too many dependents hooked on government.

Too many dependents hooked on crony capitalism.

Both depend on the continuation of the Kleptoligarchy.

Vacilating and equivocating politicians on both sides to continue the "debate" as they sell both sides out to dependent classes and bankers, austerity, corporations, and parasitic government.

Real people left out in the cold.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:33 | 2903447 Peter K
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Denial :)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:36 | 2903453 numbers
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I hope that whoever wrote this fantasy POS for Citi is not giving anyone financial advice or running a prop desk. When Gallup has the Pub up 7% this late in the game, it's over. If Gallup has Romney up by 7%, he's probably up 10%.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:00 | 2903542 njfeds
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Mitt may wear his magical panties but the only thing he can sell is a Dodge Dart. Obama 2nd term so start your engines and let out your gas. Can you even look at Mittens? He runs on AAAs from China. Obama again. Tough love


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 12:22 | 2904447 jjsilver
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Please, this propaganda outfit has no credibility. The election has already been decided ahead of time. But these elections don't matter as the federal government can only enforce legislation on their property. The last time I looked that was District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands and American Samoa.

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