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Iran Launches Submarine And Destroyer Into Gulf During US Naval Exercises

This week the US, UK, France, and a few Middle Eastern countries are conducting naval exercises in the Gulf of Persia to practice clearing mines that Iran, or other groups may place around the Straits of Hormuz in an attempt to disrupt the movement of oil tankers in the region.

Mohammed Ali Jafari, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, said that the “exercise is a defensive exercise and we don't perceive any threats from it. We are not conducting exercises in response.”

Yet this is not the impression that is given.

Just yesterday, according to the official IRNA news agency, upon the direct orders of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei Iran launched a refitted Tareq-901 submarine and a Sahand destroyer into the Gulf from the port of Bandar Abbas.

At the same time, as stated on Khamenei’s official website, the Supreme Leader was visiting the northern coastal city of Nowshahr to observe naval cadets practice planting mines, rescuing hijacked ships, destroying enemy ships, and rapid deployment via helicopters.

Khamenei addressed his troops, saying that “the armed forces must reach capabilities such that no one can attack the strong fence of the country and the dear people of Iran.”

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced on Sunday that Tehran is now very close to building a nuclear bomb, leading some to fear that Israel may take things into their own hands and strike against Iranian nuclear facilitie


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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 01:19 | 2900174 Money Squid
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Iran donates a new reef building structure to the gulf. That POS won't last two allah akbars when the shitting starts.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 01:52 | 2900209 THX 1178
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Hold on Fellers! Just three more weeks!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:03 | 2900218 Deo vindice
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It hardly looks like a piece of equipment worth starting WWIII over.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 03:32 | 2900276 icanhasbailout
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just for reference, this is a Soviet Kilo-class diesel sub

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 04:57 | 2900326 ebworthen
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Chug, chug, chug.

Klank!  Klank!  Klank!

Well, God Bless the poor saps who have to get in that toothpaste tube.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:18 | 2900391 TruthInSunshine
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That does it. I was on the fence about the whole "preemptively targeting Iran with nuclear weapons and other ordinance of clusterf*ckdestruction" before, but these naval vessels of theirs clearly have not been upgraded to meet California's zero emissions vehicle standards.

I say we penalize them by deducting future carbon credits that would've been thrown their way, and then bomb them.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:28 | 2900400 Ghordius
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TIS, they are hybrids. ;-)

When entering the harbours of California they can switch to super-silent "green" electric mode...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:30 | 2900412 TruthInSunshine
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Did the state owned Iranian or Chinese companies helping to retrofit these vessels with green power capabilities get Solyndra or A123 Systems type tax credits from the Obamney Administration?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:33 | 2900418 GetZeeGold
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Let's get it on baby!!!


Let's see if they blink.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 16:21 | 2902404 Half_A_Billion_...
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I bet China starts dumping tbills one week after the attack

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:36 | 2900428 nmewn
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lol...but the consensus is in!!! They're destroying the planet with these CO2 belching monstrosities!!!

Clearly the world needs to create insurmountable debt and subsidize new armament factories for them...FORWARD!!!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 03:39 | 2900282 cossack55
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But a radio station in Gleiwicz was worth starting WW2 over?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 04:41 | 2900316 Benjamin Glutton
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why am I looking at a submarine photo shopped into a painted background?


childlike at best.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:15 | 2900334 TheFourthStooge-ing
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why am I looking at a submarine photo shopped into a painted background?

It probably has something to do with being a lame, uncreative, humorless version of whose writers believe their own bullshit.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 06:42 | 2900373 ptoemmes
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Maybe, but if it were WB7's work the face of the Ayatollah might be integrated into the bow.



Thu, 10/18/2012 - 06:53 | 2900380 ParkAveFlasher
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I'm totally calling out the picture as a forgery and that sub as a fake

It has no moustache.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:35 | 2900427 GetZeeGold
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It has no moustache.


Penalty on the play.....tens yards for not being Sharia compliant.


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:01 | 2900473 nmewn
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Fatwas will be issued at the local mosque.

I'm gonna hurry down & get mine before they run out!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 04:53 | 2900325 Sudden Debt
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It looks pretty old and small :)

I wonder if it will outrun a guided torpedo from a Ohio submarine.


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:47 | 2900347 Vlad Tepid
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If the USN puts a boomer anywhere close to the Gulf then they are far stupider than I give them credit for!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:09 | 2900494 goldenrod
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It looks pretty old and small :)

I am sure you are used to hearing that a lot......


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 17:20 | 2902584 TimmyB
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During the 1970-80s, it was pretty well known in the U.S. Navy that USSR subs could actually go faster than U.S. torpedos.   

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:28 | 2900404 SilverDOG
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Just another piece to blame the attack upon. 


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:26 | 2900402 spankfish
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I love the smell of stupid in the morning, it smells like victory.  Welcome to The Persian Gulf of Tonkin.  What's the old navy saying... it that a torpedo in your tubes or are you just happy to see me.


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:28 | 2900239 Heyoka Bianco
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Not so fast. I would assume a pedal-powered submarine would be hard to detect. Unfortunately, hamster-wheel-powered torpedoes are none too effective.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 03:40 | 2900284 cossack55
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But for the USSA'a purposes they only need to be effective once.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:56 | 2900353 falak pema
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That Israeli inventor who made a bicycle out of cardboard should donate his skills to the Iranians; maybe he can sell them a cardboard submarine! 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:40 | 2900343 BigInJapan
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Know a lot about hunter-killer subs, do ya?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:53 | 2900351 Vlad Tepid
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He's seems to be unfamiliar with the fact that the Kilo and it's variants are like the F-16 of the undersea world - versatile, cheap and effective.  A US nuclear sub in a brown water environment like the Gulf would be so noisy it would be a death sentence.

I beleive it was a Chinese Kilo that popped up in the middle of a US carrier task force in the Pacific a few years back blew the hatch and mooned the 7th Fleet. 

Kilos are not something to joke about.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:05 | 2900385 Ghordius
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+1 all diesel-electric subs since the last versions of the WWII German U-Boats are the bane of blue water fleets deployed in brown-water/coastal environments or where the sub does just have to wait for it's pray

I remember when Taiwan wanted to spend some dollars on US diesel-electric subs, Bush II came back triumphant and the big sub producers at home told him they would not touch such business at all

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:41 | 2900438 spankfish
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I believe it was the Clinton Administration that allowed the machining technology to be transferred to the Chinese in 2000 that allowed the Chinese to produce ubersilent props.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 14:00 | 2901857 BattlegroundEur...
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Are you even old enough to remember the Toshiba-Russian affair?


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:41 | 2903197 Money Squid
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Lemme guess,,,the Japanese sold to the Ruskies our highest tech three-head milling machine so that the Ruskies could manufacture their sub props so quiet the Ruskie subs virtually "disappeared" from the sonar scope overnight.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:38 | 2903192 Money Squid
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Why, I consider myself a keyboard expert. If I am at my keyboard I am an expert. So, what's your point? You think that Eeeeeranian sub is more than a suicide mission?  Hunter-killer? puuuhhleasse.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 06:57 | 2900382 GOSPLAN HERO
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We must have access to cheap oil?



Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:53 | 2900462 LongSoupLine
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Translation: They painted over the Mattel label.



Amazing video: Iranian sub commander aces his advanced combat training...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:43 | 2900585 Monedas
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How about our new submarine .... the USS Candy Crowley .... of the walk-in bath tub class ?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:51 | 2900610 Stuart
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great, target practice!  

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:20 | 2901078 NewAmericaNow
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Never underestimate an opponent. It seems you are very anxious to wage war on people you have never met.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:52 | 2903222 Money Squid
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I knows plenty of arabs n persians. Great humas, kabab and snak bars. Not axious for any war, just providing my expertize on all things. But, spelling? Not my strong point. Looks like I types shitting instead of shooting. I guess that was because I had to dash off one last comment before Code Brown. I guess something else was on my mind at the time.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 01:19 | 2900175 JoeSexPack
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Obama is behind in polls, so October Surprise might help.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:08 | 2901050 Panafrican Funk...
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What would be really shitty is if the owners manipulated the election in such a way that Romney won the popular vote and Obama won the electoral vote.  If the election were held today, that would be the reality, and that would be very unpleasant.   

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 01:23 | 2900180 Bansters-in-my-...
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"More Cowbell......and popcorn...!!!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 01:39 | 2900201 BeaverFever
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According to secret sources, Naval Intelligence has recruited Jared the Subway Guy to assist with this perceived threat with massive quantities of delicious ham subs.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 01:25 | 2900183 Money 4 Nothing
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Let me guess? It's Camel powered? Gives a new meaning to "running silent"

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 01:37 | 2900198 Magnum
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Patrick Clawson's zionist club drafted this story and photoshopped the image.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 01:43 | 2900204 SafelyGraze
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just watched the analysis of body language.

pretty insightful.

candidate A: my administration will be the first in history to use both fission and fusion detonations to wipe out an enemy population.

analyst: note his hand is gesturing with the thumb on top of the index finger. this indicates that he enjoys being well-liked by his supporters.

candidate B: my administration will be the first in history to increase the annual deficit to ten times the size of tax revenues.

analyst: we see him turn his right shoulder slightly toward the camera, which is a signal that he is engaging his right-brain thinking.

pretty sure there's no need to analyze the content of what is said. the manner of delivery is so much more fascinating.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:00 | 2900217 AwkwardReader
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I read that like how Bill Hicks delivered his marketing sketch. Funny stuff Graze!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 01:56 | 2900210 Duke of Con Dao
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Never Fear, Susan Rice is on the Case!

this should set your mind at ease:

YouTube - UN Ambassador Susan Rice: On Being Fabulously Spontaneous

for back up?

The Hill, of course...

YouTube - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: I Am in Charge! (stay for credits - guest spot: Al Haig)

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:17 | 2900219 which way weste...
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I hope Iran nukes isntreal, londonistan, mordor on the potomac and brussels in that and in short order.

Or at least begins asymmetrical warfare targetting every "jew" in the West and every supplicant "politicians" spouses and children.

Else I will have to lead the charge.

It's not hard to go after these vultures.  

They're bullies.  Kill a few of them gruesomely, in public, they will fold.

Lists have been made and distributed.

Do Right. Fear No one.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 04:06 | 2900307 vato poco
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IOW, "you hope" Iran incinerates/murders around 18,000,000 civilians; including, presumably, your own countrymen. Because of the Jooooz or some other silly shit. Eat a dick, asswipe.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:12 | 2900330 SWIFT 760
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The Iranians won't be killing 18m civilians. Its the CIA FBI MOSSAD M16 DHS ICE, etc who be doing the butchering. 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:07 | 2900220 HD
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Put a toddler in a warm bath tub and they have a habit of "launching" a subs themselves...

In this current gulf situation, Iran has about as much chance of intimidating the US Navy as that toddler does.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:56 | 2900352 Vlad Tepid
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Yes, it's hard to intimidate hubris, but then hubris doesn't win chess games.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 06:40 | 2900372 freedogger
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In my house we call this a "code brown". It puts the fear of God into me whenever I hear it yelled by my wife. With luck, I haven't just had a large meal.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:08 | 2900221 q99x2
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I have a suspicion that the corporations and banksters of the world with the access to the most weaponry and mercinaries are the ones behind the starting of the war to kill people--the NoWorldOrder anarchists.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:57 | 2900226 news printer
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:18 | 2900229 zilverreiger
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Suck on the jew propaganda folks lol this article could have been written by azizonomics

it's their own fucking water

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:22 | 2900234 Gringo Viejo
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That sub looks like the one I used to fill with baking soda and play in the bathtub with when I was a kid.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:26 | 2900237 Heyoka Bianco
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Fucking Gringo. I was going to ask "Where do you put the baking soda?" but you pissed all over that idea. Well played.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:55 | 2900849 Arthur Borges
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Mine was a cute grey little torpedo boat but I think it was baking powder, not soda. I used to adore the trail of bubbles -- much more child-friendly than prop wash and all the fish a real ship must mince and churn up.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:25 | 2900236 ZFiNX
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More martyrs.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:28 | 2900240 which way weste...
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This retarded shit pisses me off almost as much as joe (go to da batroom) thiesman's unregulated prostate  "miracle cure" brain fuck.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 02:29 | 2900241 AetosAeros
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Over and over again we are told

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced on Sunday that Tehran is now very close to building a nuclear bomb"

and we're supposed to share the shame if Israel attacks? Because "some to fear that Israel may take things into their own hands and strike against Iranian nuclear facilitie".

Know what? I'm not scared. Let the sorry little fuckers attack. And let them do it on their own. If they are so bad, if the IDF is so strong, if Nutty Yahoo thinks he's such a big bad ass, let him go rattle the cage......... alone.

Last I checked, Iran had a right to defend itself, and it is THEIR water front area. When they put some destroyers, subs, and carriers in the GOM, then I might see an issue. Until then, we need to back the fuck off and get some sense in our heads about how much of the world is gonna burn because of some sorry talmudic kazzy's with their panties in a wad.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 03:33 | 2900278 which way weste...
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"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."

Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912. Also in the Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1957

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:47 | 2900592 my puppy for prez
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Marclis Eli Ravage, Century Magazine, 1926
"You have not begun to appreciate the depth of our guilt.
We are intruders. We are subverters. We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc with them. We have been at the bottom of not merely the latest great war, but of every other major revolution in your history. We have brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long we shall go on doing it. Who knows what great and glorious destiny might have been yours if we had left you alone."

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:58 | 2900862 IrritableBowels
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Yore rayciss

Sent from my obamaphone

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:59 | 2900355 Dr. Sandi
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Only insane rogue nations bent of mega death of civilians would ever develop nuclar weapons.

Of course, if you already have them, that's okay...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:20 | 2900889 Arthur Borges
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Insane indeed. We're well-placed to know. Gen. Curtis E. Lemay was always a strong advocate of nuking everywhere from China to Cuba and the USSR. It seems he scared more than one US president.

It scared me too when I was 14 and standing at the end of one of the runways at Griffiss AFB in upstate NY -- outside the fence of course. Anyhow, SAC declared an alert and it's still the only time in my life I've seen aircraft come charging down a runway in take-off rolls IN GROUPS OF THREE AT A TIME -- these were eight-engined B-52s at 250 tons apiece. By the time the first trio had lifted off, the second trio was already halfway down the runway and a third trio was turning in off the apron and onto the start of the runway. You were really standing there holding your breath that nobody would have a flat tire -- or well, that's how I imagined a possible pile-up.

Anyhow, the idea was to get some 20 B-52s out of range of incoming warheads within 20 minutes or so.

There were 30 or us kids watching this. On the way out, we were all bubbly and overexcited the way acned teens can get now then.

The trip back was deadly silent.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 03:09 | 2900263 ZFiNX
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Iran, master of the probe bet.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 03:33 | 2900277 Lore
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In November 2010, an 'anonymous' nuclear-capable missile was launched a short distance off the California coast.

It was NOT American. Nobody took credit for it.  Nobody needed to.  The message was plain. 

If you think the USA is going to touch Iran with a ten foot pole, you have another think coming.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 03:47 | 2900290 cossack55
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I was not aware that Anonymous had missle capabilities.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 06:00 | 2900357 Dr. Sandi
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That's because the name never appears on the side.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:10 | 2900694 AurorusBorealus
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Anyone can purchase a submarine with missile capabilities on the internet for about $100 - $250 million.... getting the missiles is a little trickier.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 04:54 | 2900324 lolmao500
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A lot of people say it was a Chinese missile.

Missile Shot Off Los Angeles Still a Mystery for Pentagon Officials

And they never said really what it was.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:58 | 2900354 Vlad Tepid
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A lot of people are probably right.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:58 | 2901020 Demologos
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It was a US submarine launched missile.  The navy had issued a warning of a live fire exercise to ship traffic off of the California coast a few days before it happened.  I saw a print-out of the warning.  The navy neither confirmed nor denied what it was and the news media speculated that it was either an airliner contrail (strangest jet contrail I ever saw) or a missile launch from a Chinese sub (yeah right).  Wink and nod between the Navy and news media with the warning message buried.  Clearly it was a solid rocket booster contrail, similar to a space shuttle launch.  If it had been a Chinese missile there would be ten US practice launches from the South China Sea the next day.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:56 | 2901219 Arthur Borges
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Testing missiles off the US coast is simply not the sort of thing the Chinese would do. It would be kinda like the USG nationalizing the arms and pharmaceutical industries.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:57 | 2903230 NachoLiebor
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Then why did SecDef Gates go over there the following January (asap without appearing asap) to see who is really in charge? I think they were reminded of the deal that the civilian leadership agreed to and to keep a short leash on the ChiCom military.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:00 | 2903233 NachoLiebor
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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 04:44 | 2900317 Wile-E-Coyote
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Haaaa Haaa Aging US aircraft carrier gets torpedoed in the Gulf, luckily US navy was simulating a torpedo attack exercise at the time, all water tight doors where closed, only twenty sailors killed, carrier limps back to port.

I should be working for the CIA, I only charge one ton of Silver per job.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 04:45 | 2900318 aleph0
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"...announced on Sunday that Tehran is now very close to building a nuclear bomb,"


LOL , Yeah .. every second Sunday since the '70s.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:11 | 2900329 lolmao500
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1979 more precisely... when the western-backed dictator got hit by karma.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 04:51 | 2900321 lolmao500
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And even funnier.

US, Israel prepare for major joint military drill

US troops and equipment have begun arriving in Israel ahead of what a senior air force officer on Wednesday called "the largest exercise in the history of the longstanding military relationship between the US and Israel."

He did not give precise dates, saying only that it would begin towards the end of October or early November and last "about three weeks."

U.S. Navy, Allies Find Less Than Half the Sea Mines Planted in Key Exercise

A major international naval exercise last month in and around the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea, led by the U.S. Navy with more than 30 other nations participating, located fewer than half of the practice mines laid at sea.

This outcome of the highly publicized military drills — not publicly known until now — underscores how difficult it may be for the United States and its partners to detect and incapacitate waterborne explosive devices that Iran has threatened to plant if its nuclear facilities come under attack.

Out of the 29 simulated mines that were dropped in the water, “I don’t think a great many were found,” retired Navy Capt. Robert O’Donnell, a former mine warfare director for his service, told the NewsHour. “It was probably around half or less.”

That's gonna be hilarious when there's Iranian, Russians and Chinese mines floating around...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:37 | 2900568 AurorusBorealus
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Before mind-sweeping operations can commence, the surface to ship missiles, fast attack craft, submarines, and air force of Iran must be destroyed.  Before the U.S. can begin targeting ground targets such as surface-to-ship missiles, the U.S. must destroy Iran's air defenses, which would begin with an attack on radar and communication facilities and then move to actual ground-to-air assets.   This entire process is likely to take 6 - 8 weeks.  All of this assumes that the U.S. loses 1 or fewer CVNs to Iranian missiles, submarines, and fast-attack craft.  Then, the Straits will have to be cleared of mines, not once but many times.  The U.S. Navy will also have to contend with proxy attacks globally by Iranian allies (in the Gulf states and elsewhere)-- possibly even clearing the wreckage of tankers from strategic chokepoints such as as the Suez Canal and the Panama Canal.

 In addition to these difficulties, the U.S. will be limited in what it can do, because the entire conflict risks starting a general and open war: World War III, should Russia or China join the hostilities.  Chinese and Russian backed rebels will likely assault the U.S. airbases in former the Soviet Republics that the U.S. is counting on to wage the air campaign.  Finally, China and Russia will pour supplies, material, and assistance into Iran if they do not actively go to war themselves.  This material will include a steady supply of mines so that Iran can continue to blockade the Straits.

I have placed several comments on here indicating the difficulty America will face in opening the oil flow globally once hostilities commence.  I hope that this report on the difficulties of one mine-sweeping exercise create pause for the American Joint Chiefs of Staff.  War with Iran now has a very high probability of plunging the world into chaos. 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:30 | 2900757 De minimus
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"Plunging the world into chaos."

That was pretty much guaranteed the first time that politicians failed to deal with enemies whom they knew would be threats and "kicked the can" down the road.

The easy thing is to do nothing, especially if you can make money at it. Besides, the ultimate costs will be bourne by someone else and you can always pretend that you didn't know or were lied to. Only the republicans have anything to fear and that's what they get for going along with it.

Unfortunately the costs of those actions, ommissions will be great. They always are and somehow we never seem to remember that lesson. Perhaps because there are always those who seek to blind us to the truth or are themselves blinded by other motives.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 17:40 | 2902631 TimmyB
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When exactly did Iran become an enemy to the United States?  Shit, in the 1970s we were selling them advanced military equipment, training their military at bases here in the U.S. and we even sold the a nuke reactor.

Could it be they became an "enemy" when the people of Iran kicked out the brutal Shah that our government installed, and thus stopped asking "how high?" every time the U.S. Government said jump? 

Isn't this the exact same thing that turned Saddam in Iraq into a U.S. enemy--we sold him equipment to make poison gas until he stopped doing what we told him to do.

Looking at U.S. history, it seems clear that unless you do exactly what the U.S. government tells you to, you turn into an "enemy" that later, based upon bullshit and lies, turns into a "threat" to us and then we destroy you.  Wash rinse repeat---our government is the most blood thirsty killer on the planet, and most Americans don't even know it.         





Thu, 10/18/2012 - 04:52 | 2900322 ebworthen
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Tareq-901 Strait of Hormuz bottom scraper.

Provocation or false flag flour for the grist mill.

So...we are tracking our carriers; don't we have a sub or two there?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 06:01 | 2900358 Vlad Tepid
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Nuclear subs can't fight in brown water environments.  Iran has a larger fleet of subs than all the other Gulf nations put together.  Total air superiority would be the only way to hunt them down.  In the day or so that it took to do that, their subs would do some damage...mostly to merchant shipping and any large Navy vessels foolish or unlucky enough to be caught in the Gulf.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:14 | 2900502 Canucklehead
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Vlad, you need to either watch more History Channel, or less History Channel.  Your analysis, based on your TV viewing habits, is wrong.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:20 | 2900517 Vlad Tepid
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Care to elaborate on my incorrect analysis?  And before you fire off another ill-advised and uniformed missive, I'll remind you that I play chess in 5th Fleet HQ every Friday afternoon.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:02 | 2900647 AurorusBorealus
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"In the day or so that it took to do that"

You better stick to playing chess Vlad... global geostrategy and global war are over your head.  Of course, Iranian subs are all going to be crowded around U.S. CVNs, waiting to be destroyed,  and not dispersed throughout the Indian Ocean.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:38 | 2901147 Vlad Tepid
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You think it would take MORE than an day for the US and allies to gain air superiority over the Gulf?  OK, but I wouldn't bet money past 3.

Iran has dozens of microsubs (N. Korean models mostly like the one that sunk the S. Korean frigate last year or so) that track the movement of all "enemy" vessels in and out of the Gulf region.  These DO crowd around carriers, as close as they dare.  There are about three Kilo subs and variants and these will be (are) ranging from their base in Bandar Abbas to the mouth of the Strait waiting for those injured by the Persian carpet of mines the Iranians have/will laid down in the Strait.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?  Witty?  Fork-tongued?  I don't get it; you only come off as obtuse.  But won't quit my day job to play chess.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:03 | 2901255 Canucklehead
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You come to the US - $1,500.

Bus tables in the 5th Fleet HQ mess - $10 bucks an hour.

Play chess every Friday afternoon - Priceless.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:36 | 2900567 andrewp111
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Drop about 50 megaton scale nukes on Iran and their subs (and other weapons) won't matter. Netanyahu needs to get his butt in gear and launch some missiles.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:58 | 2900640 AurorusBorealus
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How many Russian ICBMs do you think Israeli and U.S. missile defenses can shoot down before Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and every major American city are destroyed?  Because that is what will happen if Naziyahoo "gets his butt in gear:" Armaggedon.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:46 | 2900916 Arthur Borges
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Iran hasn't attacked anybody in centuries but Israel certainly has a solid track record here. It's fascinating to imagine the consequences but when I read someone suggesting such an option seriously, I am glad that my youth is far behind me and that I stand a fair chance of not living to see how such extremism will actually play out.

For starters, the Chernobyl meltdown caused thyroid cancer to increase 800% within two years in France.

Go on to read about the effects of depleted uranium (DU) that have been turning maternity clinics into freak show circuses in Iraq and ex-Yugoslavia since the 1990s. Now there's the DU in Libya contaminating the entire Mediterranean Basin. Dig a little on the Internet to see what your grandchildren and further generations will look like.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 17:48 | 2902654 TimmyB
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I would say that the U.S. government has a much better track record in the bullying and killing innocent people department than Israel.  Israel may be second, but it isn't even close. 

Other than to make that small point, I agree 100% with what you wrote.   


Thu, 10/18/2012 - 05:41 | 2900345 Tompooz
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Author needs to inform himself better. "Gulf of Persia"? We call it the Persian Gulf. And Bandar Abbas is outside the Persian Gulf.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 07:16 | 2900390 Bogdog
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Gotta admit, she's kinda hot.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:34 | 2900562 andrewp111
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I'd love to burn her with napalm in the morning. Oh, wait. That's a different movie.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 08:39 | 2900525 Martel
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Oh, poor little Uncle Sam. Is the Bad Iran™ threatening you again? Threatening those little, fluffy defensive aircraft carriers you placed on the other side of the planet, right next to Iran. How evil of Iran to send a submarine out!

During Shah's time, you guys actually initiated Iran's nuclear program. Oh, but that was before Israel's foreign policy became yours. I'm sure Jesus would like you bombing Iran, so go ahead! It won't be like Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan - this time it will be different.

Come on, cheeseburger-eating warmonger monkeys, thumb me down!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:05 | 2901040 Demologos
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+1 for the Apocalypse Now avatar ...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:28 | 2901108 Arthur Borges
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Yep, Iran did have an A-bomb development program under the Shah and it was Ayatollah Khomeini and the mollahs who killed it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:22 | 2900899 Blazed
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It's fun to watch the dual citizens crack on Iran's military technology, then turn around and whine like pansies about Iran being an existential threat to poor wittle israel. More than just dual citizens, more like dual/multiple personalities with psychopathic tendencies. Better get the goyim to fight this one as well.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 15:56 | 2902327 RichardP
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Is Israel the only nation that doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons capabilities?  The answer is no.  So why are the points of view of other countries never discussed?  I'm guessing it is because this issue is not really real to most of the folks discussing it here.  It is just a way for inexperienced folks to rattle their verbal sabers.

This is serious business to a lot of folks, and it is way bigger than just Iran and Israel.  Do you not know enough to discuss other countries' points of view?

Once upon a time, this was a serious blog, populated by educated folks who had a pretty sophisticated view of world events and the interconnectedness of things.  That lasted for about three months.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:50 | 2901462 AwkwardReader
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It's funny how some of these retard readers crack on Iran and their military equipment. They don't have the luxury of being first in line for hand outs like the Jews nor do they have the luxuryof having the ability to print dollars out of thin air. You think America could sustain what it has without that printing press?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:49 | 2902963 The big unzip
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How do they afford diesel?

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