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Guest Post: Should Central Banks Cancel Government Debt?

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Submitted by Pater Tenebrarum of Acting-Man blog,

[Take a breath, grab a drink, and read this - it is lengthy BUT important!]

Ron Paul's Foray Into Monetary Education

Readers may recall that Ron Paul once surprised everyone with a seemingly very elegant proposal to bring the debt ceiling wrangle to a close. If you're all so worried about the federal deficit and the debt ceiling, so Paul asked, then why doesn't the treasury simply cancel the treasury bonds held by the Fed? After all, the Fed is a government organization as well, so it could well be argued that the government literally owes the money to itself. He even introduced a bill which if adopted, would have led to the cancellation of $1.6 trillion in federal debt held by the Fed.

Paul argued that given the fact that the Fed had simply created the money to buy the bonds from thin air, no-one would be hurt by this selective default. Moreover, he reckoned that this would likely neuter the Fed and make it less likely to manipulate the money supply in the future – if it could no longer rely on the treasury honoring its debt, there would be no point in buying more of it. He also considered the Fed's 'exit' talk to be spurious: the inflation of the money supply its bond buying had inaugurated would likely never be reversed anyway (we agree on this point).

Of course the proposal was not really meant to be taken serious: rather, it was meant to highlight the absurdities of the modern-day monetary system. Paul himself pointed out in subsequent interviews that the proposal would naturally never be adopted. In short, it was essentially an educational foray on his part -  he wanted to encourage people to think. Ron Paul has always been an exception among politicians – he regarded educating people about monetary policy matters as part of his remit.

We live in an age where a pure credit money is used – a fiat money, that has been created by stripping money substitutes of their backing by money proper and imposing 'legal tender' laws. This means that certain conventions have to be followed by the official engines of inflation, the central banks, if they want to be successful in their vain (and dangerous) endeavor to create what they term a 'stable money' (in reality, 'stability' is held to be an arbitrarily chosen decline in money's purchasing power of 2% per year. This neither represents 'stability', nor is it even possible to realize such a plan. The purchasing power of money certainly exists, but it cannot be measured).

These conventions need to be adhered to in order to hold 'inflation expectations' in check. As long as a critical mass of individual actors in the economy remains convinced that the central bank is indeed capable of guaranteeing a fairly 'stable value of money', it is unlikely that they will react to inflationary policy by trying to quickly get rid of their cash balances in the expectation that its purchasing power will rapidly decline. As a rule,  it takes a long time  for people to abandon this misguided faith, but when they finally do, we often get to observe a discontinuous, sudden change in the money relation.

Anyway, it is one thing for Ron Paul to employ the idea of canceling the Fed's bond holdings as a means of educating people, it is quite another when modern day mainstream economic observers and even policymakers begin to discuss the possibility in earnest.

 

The Financial Times Latches on to the Topic

Sometimes the bien-pensants that regularly supply us with their plans to rescue the economy come up with strikingly bizarre ideas. The Financial Times is a well-known staging area for armchair monetary quackery, led by its chief economics commentator Martin Wolf, whose in our opinion absurd notions we have occasionally addressed in the past. At least Mr. Wolf is fairly straightforward – instead of hiding behind technocratic babble and euphemisms, he gives his articles titles that tell one right away where he is coming from (consider for example: “Why it is right for central banks to keep printing”). What might be considered the 'piece de resistance' in this context has recently been covered in the pages of the FT in an article by Gavyn Davies entitled: “Will central banks cancel government debt?.

The article discusses the very proposal Ron Paul has more or less made in jest (and as a means to educate people) as a policy step that is receiving serious consideration. To his credit, Mr. Davies informs us that he is actually not supportive of the idea. He merely reports that it is an option that a number of people have begun to earnestly debate and lays out the effects as he sees them (we differ with him on a number of points regarding 'QE as it is currently practiced', see below).

In a way, we would actually not necessarily be entirely inimical to the idea, for similar reasons Ron Paul had in mind:  it would no doubt speed up the inevitable demise of the fiat money system. Although we fear that the current fiat money system would then simply be replaced by another one, this is still the only reasonable chance we see for the conditions that could enable a  return to a sound market-based monetary system to come about. It should be clear that today's political class and the banking cartels led by the central banks would never consider the adoption of  a sound market-based money voluntarily. Too many 'free lunches' would be at stake for those profiting from the system. An enormous shift in economic and political power would result. Governments would have to shrink dramatically and central economic planners and their myriad advisers and intellectual handmaidens would all be out of a job. Banks would find credit expansion more risky and difficult. In short, from the point of view of today's bureaucratic and intellectual elites, the idea of voluntarily adopting a sound market-based money is ruled out completely. To them it is undoubtedly the most toxic subject imaginable.

This is also why the system as such is very rarely questioned in the mainstream press or by mainstream economists. It is a topic that is not even up for debate – everybody proceeds as though it were perfectly normal that money and interest rates are subject to central planning. The only debates revolve around how to 'improve on the plan', not on whether it might actually be better to abandon the plan altogether. If a mainstream economist were to suggest that central banks and fiat money should be abolished, it would be akin to farting in church.

So in this sense, Davies' article may be regarded as one of those 'how the inflationary policy might be improved' missives (even though he is personally not in favor of the proposal). It calmly discusses the possibility that central banks might indeed agree to cancel the government debt they hold  in order to 'ease fiscal pressures' and 'boost the economy'. We will look at a few excerpts from the article in below and add our comments.

 

Should Central Banks Cancel Government Debt?

The article begins as follows:

“As the IMF meetings close in Tokyo this weekend, it is obvious that governments are struggling to find the correct balance between controlling public debt, which now exceeds 110 per cent of GDP for the advanced economies, and boosting the rate of economic growth. The former objective requires more budgetary tightening, while the latter requires the opposite. Is there any way around this?”

We already have a problem with the very first paragraph. Davies asserts what we regard as a misguided premise: namely that 'loose fiscal policy' (read: deficit spending) is required to create economic growth

The government does not possess resources of its own – every cent it spends must be taken from the private sector in one way or another. The government can not add one iota of new wealth to the economy – it can only dispose of already existing wealth by taking it from the private sector. It matters not if this is done by means of taxation or borrowing – the latter method is merely a means of deferring the former (we will discuss inflation further below).

In order to believe that this will create 'economic growth', one has to believe that government bureaucrats are better at allocating scarce resources than the private sector. This seems an absurd proposition to us. Since government bureaucrats are not driven by the profit motive in their allocation decisions, they have no means of ascertaining the opportunity costs of their actions. They are faced with a somewhat milder form of the socialist calculation problem – 'milder' only because they can observe prices in the market economy and are thus not entirely groping in the dark. The only sense in which government spending can be said to add to 'growth' is the fact that it is treated as a positive contributor to GDP. However, this merely reveals that GDP is a very flawed measure of wealth creation.

Davies continues:

“One radical option which is now being discussed is to cancel (or, in polite language, “restructure”) part of the government debt that has been acquired by the central banks as a consequence of quantitative easing (QE). After all, the government and the central bank are both firmly within the public sector, so a consolidated public sector balance sheet would net this debt out entirely.

 

This option has always been viewed as extremely dangerous on inflationary grounds, and has never been publicly discussed by senior central bankers, as far as I am aware.”

There is a good reason why no central banker has entertained the idea yet, at least not publicly. The manner in which the banking system is organized today is inter alia designed to obfuscate the realities of the monetary system. It is important to realize that fiat money is indeed 'backed' by absolutely nothing. In a fiat money system, the bank notes issued by the central bank literally are standard money. Banknotes once were money substitutes, this is to say they represented a claim to gold held in reserve by the issuing bank. Their use as money was merely a matter of convenience – but it was clear that the bearers of such notes could actually redeem them at any time for what was then considered money proper, i.e., gold or silver. In essence, such banknotes were simply warehouse claims on deposited money.  Fiat money by contrast consists of bank notes that have been stripped of this feature: they are irredeemable. Their 'moneyness' has been established by fiat, this is to say, what renders them the sole legal means of final payment for goods on the market and the 'discharge of debt, both public and private' are legal tender laws.

The 'backing' in the form of assets held by the central bank is in this sense a fiction: no-one can go to the central bank and demand that it redeem its banknotes for a portion of the assets it holds. However, from the central bank's point of view, it is important to uphold the vague idea that 'something stands behind' the money it issues. Moreover, it uses the assets it holds as the main tools to conduct monetary policy, i.e., to manipulate interest rates and the size of the money stock. The much-touted 'credibility' of central banks today rests crucially on the idea that they can and will take back the money supply inflation engendered by  'quantitative easing' at any time, 'if necessary' – i.e., if the purchasing power of money begins to decline at an accelerated rate that violates the tenets of the 'stability' policy. The danger that this could happen is very real, considering the expansion in central bank credit in recent years and the vast monetary inflation that has taken place since the end of the great asset mania of the 1990's (to be sure, a lot of money supply inflation has occurred earlier as well – but it has accelerated enormously since the year 2000). As an example, consider US money supply data:

 

The broad US money supply measure TMS-2 since the year 2000. (Chart via Michael Pollaro – for an in-depth explanation of the money supply measure TMS-2, visit his definitions and references page, where all the required information can be conveniently found in one place) – click chart for better resolution.

 

It is worth noting that the broad US money supply TMS-2 has increased by more than 200% since January of 2000 (from approximately $2.9 trillion to $8.8 trillion today). Prior to the crisis of 2008, the main driver of the money supply expansion was the commercial banking system, which in the course of expanding credit to the private sector created a lot of deposit money from thin air via the fractional reserve banking multiplier. The Fed was only passively aiding and abetting the process, supplying new bank reserves as needed and keeping the federal funds rate artificially low by means of open market operations.

Since 2008 the role of the Fed has become more active: the policy of 'quantitative easing' has created a lot of new deposit money directly through the acquisition of assets from non-banks, while vastly increasing the excess reserves of banks (for details on this process, readers may want to take a look at two previous articles: “Quantitative Easing Explained” and “The Difference Between Money and Credit”).   The latter are not considered part of the money supply as long as they remain deposited with the Fed – but they can of course be used as the basis to create more credit and with it, additional fiduciary media in the form of new deposit money. The extent to which banks may want to use their excess reserves for this purpose will largely depend on their assessment of future economic conditions and their own financial health, as well as credit demand. The interest rate paid by the Fed on excess reserves is also an important determining factor.

 

A chart of Federal Reserve credit outstanding: since 2008, the central bank has become the active driving force behind money supply inflation – click chart for better resolution.

 

Obviously, from the central bank's point of view there is a not inconsiderable risk that the extremely large money supply expansion over the past 13 years could lead to a sudden loss of faith in the future purchasing power of money (it is no coincidence that Ben Bernanke repeatedly dwells on the subject of 'inflation expectations'). Presumably there is a threshold at which the ongoing increase in the money supply will no longer be sufficiently counterbalanced by the increase in the demand for money that has undoubtedly taken place in recent years. To be sure, there is no way for us to measure the demand for money. We can only infer that it must have increased from the fact that economic uncertainty has been uncommonly high since the 2008 crisis and from the fact that the the monetary inflation has not yet resulted in a large increase in consumer goods prices. However, keep in mind that we can also not ascertain how much lower consumer goods prices would have been absent the inflationary policy; and it is clear that many prices in the economy have indeed risen sharply, chiefly stocks, bonds and commodities. In other words, the absence of large consumer goods price increases is not evidence of the absence of inflationary effects.

If central banks were indeed to simply cancel the government debt they hold,  economic actors would likely rapidly lose their faith that central banks have 'inflation under control'. Here is Davies explaining why:

Why is this such a radical idea? No one in the private sector would lose out from the cancellation of these bonds, which have already been purchased at market prices by the central bank in exchange for cash. The loser, however, would be the central bank itself, which would instantly wipe out its capital base if such a course were followed. The crucial question is whether this matters and, if so, how.

 

In order to understand this, we need to ask ourselves why governments finance their deficits through the issuance of bonds in the first place, rather than just asking the central bank to print money, which would not add to public debt. Ultimately, the answer is the fear of inflation. When it runs a budget deficit, the government injects demand into the economy. By selling bonds to cover the deficit, it absorbs private savings, leaving less to be used to finance private investment. Another way of looking at this is that it raises interest rates by selling the bonds. Furthermore the private sector recognizes that the bonds will one day need to be redeemed, so the expected burden of taxation in the future rises. This reduces private expenditure today. Let us call this combination of factors the “restraining effect” of bond sales.

 

All of this is changed if the government does not sell bonds to finance the budget deficit, but asks the central bank to print money instead. In that case, there is no absorption of private savings, no tendency for interest rates to rise, and no expected burden of future taxation. The restraining effect does not apply. Obviously, for any given budget deficit, this is likely to be much more expansionary (and potentially inflationary) than bond finance.”

However, the central banks have indeed 'printed' the money to buy government bonds and other assets in their 'QE' operations. Obviously this does not involve the 'restraining factor' of government bond sales to the public as discussed by Davies above. The question is really whether the so far hypothetical 'exit' from these operations will ever take place.

It should be noted here that by buying bonds in the secondary market rather than directly from the government, the inflationary potential of these central bank purchases is mitigated somewhat (for an explanation of this point see the above mentioned article on the mechanics of QE).

Here is what Davies has to say to the 'exit' question and why he thinks the 'restraining effect' of conventional deficit financing still applies:

“This is not, however, what has happened so far under QE. Fiscal policy, in theory at least, is set separately by the government, and the budget deficit is covered by selling bonds. The central bank then comes along and buys some of these bonds, in order to reduce long-term interest rates. It views this, purely and simply, as an unconventional arm of monetary policy. The bonds are explicitly intended to be parked only temporarily at the central bank, and they will be sold back into the private sector when monetary policy needs to be tightened. Therefore, in the long term, the amount of government debt held by the public is not reduced by QE, and all of the restraining effects of the bond sales in the long run will still occur. The government’s long-run fiscal arithmetic is not impacted.”

(emphasis added)

However, as we have already mentioned  above: what makes everyone so sure that these bonds are only 'temporarily parked at the central bank'? Both the ECB and the Fed have frequently talked about how easy it will be for them to exit the vast positions they have amassed under their unconventional policies (the ECB's policies have thus far been technically slightly different from the Fed's, but have involved just as big an increase in central bank credit). In practice, they have not only not 'exited' thus far, they have massively expanded their balance sheets further and have promised to engage in even further rounds of monetary pumping going forward. The 'exit' talk is just that: talk.

 

The vast increase in ECB credit (chart via Michael Pollaro) – click chart for better resolution.


Moreover, the money supply expansion e.g. the Fed has engendered is very real. It would certainly not make any sense to assert that it has had no economic effects, regardless of Davies' hopeful and probably erroneous expectation that “in the long run the amount of government debt held by the public is not reduced by QE”.

Does anyone seriously expect the Fed to actively deflate the money supply at some point in the future? Conceivably the Fed may attempt to reduce excess bank reserves, if the commercial banks started extending inflationary credit again at a sufficient pace to keep the money supply expansion going.

However, we know from the Bank of Japan's attempt to do just that in 2006 that such balance sheet contractions enacted by the central bank don't tend to last very long these days. When the BoJ reduced Japan's monetary base by 25% almost overnight in 2006, it inadvertently issued a death sentence for numerous bubbles abroad, as the yen was used as a major funding currency for 'carry trades'. One of the bubbles it probably helped to deflate was the US housing bubble (to be sure, US and euro area money supply growth had also decelerated into the low double digits by 2006, so there was a marked reduction in the pace of monetary pumping everywhere). Almost needless to say, the BoJ has pumped its balance sheet back up again following the 2008 crisis.

In addition to denying that there are any significant economic effects stemming from 'QE' type debt monetization (why should there be no economic effects? If that were true, why would central banks engage in 'QE' at all?), Davies falls prey to another error. This is actually an argument frequently forwarded by the chartalists as well (or proponents of 'MMT' as it is called today) – he denies that there is a fundamental difference between money and credit instruments:

“Note that QE under these conditions does not directly affect the wealth or expected income of the private sector. From the private sector’s viewpoint, all that happens is they hold more liquid assets (especially commercial bank deposits at the central bank), and fewer illiquid assets (ie government bonds). Because this is just an temporary asset swap, it may impact the level of bond yields, but otherwise its economic effects may be rather limited.”

(emphasis added)

Money is not merely a somewhat 'more liquid asset' than a bond. Money is the medium of exchange, the means of final payment for all goods and services on the market. It makes a big difference if the public suddenly holds more money instead of holding the bonds the central bank has acquired. A bondholder must first sell his bonds to someone else in the private sector before he can spend the money invested in them. This means though that the buyer now holds a credit instrument instead of money that he can spend (respectively allocate to other investments or his cash balance). There are in fact a great many economic effects – it seems to us that they are not exactly 'limited' in scope at all. We already mentioned the distortion in relative prices that is the inevitable result of the inflationary policy. In fact, it is impossible for the price system as a whole not to be entirely revolutionized by an expansion in the money supply. It is a good bet that nearly every price in the economy is different from what it would have been in the absence of the money supply increase.

Below is a chart that we have already shown on previous occasions that documents one of the major economic effects that this price distortion furthers (admittedly it affords us only a very rough glimpse of what is a very complex process):

 

The ratio of spending on business equipment versus non-durable consumer goods production. The most recent vast increase in this ratio since 2009 denotes that factors of production have been increasingly drawn toward the higher order stages of the production structure to the detriment of the lower order stages – a typical phenomenon of an inflationary boom. It is also unsustainable: many of the business activities and investments that have been inaugurated due to the monetary expansion will turn out to be unprofitable or will lack the resources to be finished. The ratio will eventually turn down again when these errors are revealed and the next bust ensues – click chart for better resolution.

 

Davies appears to assume that because the public is supposedly expecting 'QE' to be reversed at some indefinite point in the future, the additional money  the central banks have created from thin air will simply be 'hoarded' and thus remain 'idle' and fail to affect prices and the economy. This may be true to some extent for commercial banks that are depositing their excess reserves with the Fed and have been very careful (but not as careful as one might think) about increasing their inflationary lending since the crisis (even so, the amount of uncovered money substitutes created by private banks in the US has increased by 14.9% over the past year, which indicates that the banks are no longer shy about once again expanding credit). Obviously though, everyone will allocate additional money income according to their subjective preferences, and it would be quite strange if all those on the receiving end of the Fed's largesse simply decided to hold on to their larger cash balances and not allocate some of the money to consumption and investment (of course this does not alter the truism that all money in the economy is always held by someone. The question that is relevant to our deliberations is whether the demand for money has increased to the same extent as its supply).  In fact, there are numerous indications (inter alia the developments depicted in the chart above) that show that this has not been the case.

Davies further:

“Now consider what would happen if the bonds held by the central bank were canceled, instead of being one day sold back into the private sector. Under this approach, the long-run restraining effect of bond sales would also be canceled, so there should be an immediate stimulatory effect on nominal demand in the economy. If done without amending the path for the budget deficit itself, this would increase the expansionary effects of past deficits on nominal demand, and would also reduce the outstanding burden of public debt associated with such deficits.”

It would be better to say that there would be an immediate additional 'stimulative effect', as money would likely become a 'hot potato' under these circumstances. A crack-up boom would become a near certainty. Furthermore, governments would definitely use this opportunity to increase their spending (we don't think an alternative path is worth considering; their deficit spending record to date speaks for itself).

Davies then leaves us with an ominous sounding warning:

Furthermore, the effects would be increased even more if, instead of just canceling past debt, the central bank were to co-operate with the government, agreeing to directly finance an increase in the budget deficit by printing money. We would then be genuinely in the world of “helicopter money”, with no pretense of separation between fiscal and monetary policy.

 

Outside of wartime, developed economies have not been normally been willing to contemplate any such actions. The potential inflationary consequences, which are in fact signaled by the elimination of central bank capital which this strategy involves, have always been considered too dangerous to unleash.

 

For me, that remains the case. But others are more worried about deflation than inflation. This genie might soon be leaving the bottle.”

A few more comments are in order here. First of all, neither the Fed nor the ECB or the BoJ can simply “agree to directly finance an increase in the budget deficit by printing money” (it might be different in the UK, we are not certain on this point). This would actually require a change in the law. However, there is nothing that keeps these central banks from expanding their purchases of existing government debt in the secondary markets (except for the BoJ, which is required by law not to hold JGB's in an amount exceeding currency in circulation; however, the BoJ these days buys all sorts of assets, not only JGB's). As to the 'inflationary consequences', we reiterate that it is erroneous to assume that no inflationary consequences have already been set into motion. They clearly have and we have grave doubts that the planners will ever find it opportune to reverse them – as that would involve the kind of economic pain their policies are seeking to forestall (actually, they seem to think that it can be averted forever, which is erroneous as well).

Rather, in the event that the proposed course is followed – a cancellation of the bonds currently held by central banks that would clearly cement the money supply increase to date and a pledge to monetize future government deficits as well – we should not merely begin to worry about 'inflation' in the sense of a somewhat more vigorous decline in money's purchasing power than has been observed hitherto. Rather we should then worry about hyperinflation – the complete breakdown of the monetary system (for readers interested in our thoughts on hyperinflation, here is a past article on the topic).

We are not sure whether Davies' assessment that the 'genie might soon leave the bottle' is correct – but it is not totally inconceivable. Imagine for instance that CLSA's well-known bearish analyst Russell Napier turns out to be correct and a major 'deflation scare' develops in the near future (according to this interview, Napier still expects the S&P 500 index to eventually fall to a mere 400 points). How would governments and central banks react to such a development? It is certainly true that e.g. Ben Bernanke's biggest worry is deflation, not inflation.  According to his own words he is firmly convinced that the Fed will always be in a position to get an unduly fast increase in prices under control with ease. He is far more concerned that 'deflation might become entrenched' (see his 2002 speech) unless it is countered in a timely and forceful fashion (never mind that there hasn't been any noteworthy monetary deflation since 1932).

How would the Fed top what it is already doing, namely 'QE without a time limit'? Surely a decline in asset prices on the order envisaged by Napier (even a smaller one as it were) would give the authorities plenty of reason to panic. The hue and cry for even more extraordinary measures than have been implemented to date would become deafening. The Fed would certainly not be averse to priming the pump even more (unless the markets balk and send interest rates much higher – that would make the decision a great deal more problematic) – after all, we already know that it does not believe that its own actions have actually contributed to the economy's weakness.

However, this is precisely what has happened. This can not only be shown by means of correct economic theorizing. The empirical evidence to date appears to confirm what theory tells us to expect: the Fed's incessant monetary pumping has weakened the economy structurally, by inducing massive capital malinvestment, capital consumption and a weakening of the pool of real funding. Perhaps someone should ask Ben Bernanke at his next press conference why a more than 200% expansion of the money supply since the year 2000 has yet to produce a sustainable economic recovery (we obviously do not regard the phantom prosperity of the housing bubble era as having represented a 'sustainable recovery'). Could it not be that the policy is simply totally misguided? This is what would occur to us, but it has yet to occur to the   Fed chairman and most of his colleagues, not to mention a great many 'leading lights' in the economics profession.

As an aside, Davies' benign assessment of 'QE' may be based on the experience in the UK, where the BoE's asset purchases have failed to ignite further money supply growth, in spite of a vast increase in its balance sheet (the BoE now holds 25% of all outstanding gilts). Apparently private sector deleveraging has trumped the attempt to create inflation in the UK, with banks unwilling to lend and putative borrowers unwilling to borrow. The BoE may therefore also be more easily persuaded to step up its interventions.

 

UK money supply aggregates – stagnating since 2009 in spite of the BoE having bought 25% of all gilts outstanding – click chart for better resolution.

Lastly, we leave you with a pertinent quote by Ludwig von Mises as to what to expect when the 'genie is leaving the bottle' as Davies has put it (the quote is from Human Action, ch. XVII):

“The course of a progressing inflation is this: At the beginning the inflow of additional money makes the prices of some commodities and services rise; other prices rise later. The price rise affects the various commodities and services, as has been shown, at different dates and to a different extent. This first stage of the inflationary process may last for many years. While it lasts, the prices of many goods and services are not yet adjusted to the altered money relation. There are still people in the country who have not yet become aware of the fact that they are confronted with a price revolution which will finally result in a considerable rise of all prices, although the extent of this rise will not be the same in the various commodities and services. These people still believe that prices one day will drop. Waiting for this day, they restrict their purchases and concomitantly increase their cash holdings. As long as such ideas are still held by public opinion, it is not yet too late for the government to abandon its inflationary policy.

But then finally the masses wake up. They become suddenly aware of the fact that inflation is a deliberate policy and will go on endlessly. A breakdown occurs. The crack-up boom appears. Everybody is anxious to swap his money against "real" goods, no matter whether he needs them or not, no matter how much money he has to pay for them. Within a very short time, within a few weeks or even days, the things which were used as money are no longer used as media of exchange. They become scrap paper. Nobody wants to give away anything against them. It was this that happened with the Continental currency in America in 1781, with the French mandats territoriaux in 1796 and with the German Mark in 1923. It will happen again whenever the same conditions appear. If a thing has to be used as a medium of exchange, public opinion must not believe that the quantity of this thing will increase beyond all bounds. Inflation is a policy that cannot last forever.”

(emphasis added)

And this dear readers is why all the smug assertions by our modern-day central planners that they 'have things under control' and the debate over whether they should be engaging in even more extreme inflationary monetary experimentation are so dangerous. Control can be lost, and it usually happens only after a considerable period of time during which their interventions appear to have no ill effects if looked at only superficially. It is however not enough to consider only the superficial picture in economics. As Bastiat said (in 'That Which is Seen and That Which is not Seen'): “Thus we learn….to be ignorant of political economy is to allow ourselves to be dazzled by the immediate effect of a phenomenon; to be acquainted with it is to embrace in thought and in forethought the whole compass of effects.”

 

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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:44 | 2903307 redpill
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Ron Paul acknowledging that it would never get passed does not mean he was not serious about it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:22 | 2903370 ACP
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Government debt is being cancelled at this very moment via inflation.

What other reason do all the indebted governments of the world have to jack every human being into having the MTV-generation attention span of a flea?

Sloooooooooooooooo-moooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:41 | 2903386 FEDbuster
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That's as good as money, those are IOUs.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GSXbgfKFWg

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:11 | 2903416 Deo vindice
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Debt? If I owe money to myself is that a debt or an asset? This could be fun.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:30 | 2903441 iDealMeat
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I can solve all the worlds problems in 2 easy steps.

 

1. Nullify all debt.

2. Nullify ALL patents.

 

done..

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:01 | 2903543 JLee2027
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I agree on the debt. Don't know about the patents.

Selective nullification of debt might start a landslide. Maybe that's what Ron Paul was hoping for.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:18 | 2903552 economics9698
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1.  Bankruptcy.

2.  End the Fed.

3.  100% fractional reserve banking, silver, my choice, or gold.

4.  Constitutional amendment limiting the federal government to 10% of the GDP.

5.  End all federal entitlement programs.

In two years growth would be 5% to 7%, or more.

 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 04:13 | 2903648 tolgito
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6.just nationalize all central banks...

7.Stop fractional reserve banking...

8. Stop Coumpound interest.

or just kill all bangangsters by guillotine.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 06:00 | 2903685 Amagnonx
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For your item 3, I assume you mean 100% reserve banking.

I would add in;

 

6.  Withdraw US troops from everywhere except Saudi Arabia.

 

I would tell the Saudi's - we no longer care what your political system is, however we would still like you to sell oil for dollars for a period of time to allow us a transition.  We stand ready to support a transition to a democratic state if that is what you wish (ie. fuck you Saudi royals, you are about to have your heads cut off).

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 05:21 | 2903668 HardAssets
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'government' and 'government debt' are pure fictions

"government", in the sense used here - - - are those individuals who control a system of stealing from the vast majority of the people. They move in and out of the so called 'private' and 'public' sectors.   (No, we're not talking about your local mailman.)  - - 'government debt' is nothing more than the theft of the resources of the vast majority of the people through taxation. Inflation is the other major tool for theft.

This is a thoughtful and well written article, but I find it difficult to get through it. And that is so with many other similiar articles. There are fine charts, economic statistics, and stellar economic reasoning . . . but all that misses the point IMO. 

Currently, criminals run everything. They use the financial system and government offices to steal from us and to run our lives. They love money and power. They do whatever they can to maintain this. No proposal that benefits the vast majority - the 99.9% - will ever see the light of day if they can help it. They don't care if you lose your lives, much less your life savings - - - their money & power comes first.

It isnt true that the fiat system is backed by nothing, however.  It is backed by propaganda and the threat of force. . . . at least for now.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 08:17 | 2903795 Rusty_Shackleford
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Well said.

http://youtu.be/Cd-SLRyuRq0

There is no spoon.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:38 | 2903958 pods
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I have learned more in the last 3 years here at ZH about money, credit and banking than I have in my previous 30 some odd years on this rock.

I always try to learn more, but the nagging question that always comes to me is (no, not what is the matrix):

Why does this have to be so complicated?

Fractional reserves,  credit money, shadow banking, SIVs, SPVs, POMO, swaps, repos, rehypothecated assets, QE, the list goes on and on.

No matter how much I learn about these systems, it always seems that these are designed to steal the labor from the common man, to the benefit of a small group.

And it slowly drives me crazy.

If I find a tick on me I do not accept it and try to eat a bit more to replace what the tick is taking away from me.

Why do we, as humans, allow this to happen every single day of our lives by ticks the size of softballs?

pods

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 11:11 | 2904234 GeezerGeek
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Why does this have to be so complicated? Ever heard the cliche "Baffle them with BS"? How can sheeple push back when they don't understand?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:19 | 2904700 Ace Ventura
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In my likewise short time reading here at ZH and other places, I too am nagged by the same question regarding the complicated and nebulous world of money/banking/credit. Why indeed must something so naturally simple be so overly difficult to get a layman's grasp on? The only answer that adequately seems to pass the Common Sense Filtration System is that it is difficult by DESIGN. Naturally, this leads to the next level of CS Filtration, which is to ask WHY is it thusly designed/engineered? I believe you hit upon the answer to that as well. An artful, technically complex system designed by the very hierarchical levels of society that rely on such vaguery and obfuscation in order to keep their position in society as the 'paper aristocracy' (hat tip Jim Willie), at the expense of the ordinary man.

It is indeed frustrating to disconnect from the matrix and begin to see the real world through red-pill vision....only to see how utterly, deeply, and willingly entrenched in normalcy bias the vast majority of humanity is. When discussing such matters with family and friends, I have been told on more than one occasion "OK that's enough of that talk!". Thus humans allow this to happen every day because modern people are literally believers in the ostrich method of crisis management.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:46 | 2903393 Publicus
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Yup, cancel the debt. Also, fund the governemnt by printing instead of tax. Then cancel all tax/income tax/fees. To remove money, issue asset tax on the  super rich and then cancel the money collected.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:18 | 2903507 SafelyGraze
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WWGD (what would gideon do?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnZtgQMzs6E

why 10 zeros? why not 11? or 12? or 50?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:49 | 2903314 Unprepared
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Please consider the impact of cancelling gov. bonds held by the Fed on the banking and shadow banking system and it becomes clear this idea would never go beyond being a thought experiment.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:54 | 2903322 dark pools of soros
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Everyone looks at this like the economy is suppose to work for the 99.9%...  The people running the show have no problem with it so why would they change anything?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:57 | 2903329 lolmao500
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Don't worry Romney/Obama is gonna do exactly that!

/sarc

In other news...

Former Democratic strategist : The election is over. Obama is done for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4emiu81OTdU

If true, be afraid, be very afraid that Obama will pull something... like a strike on Iran just before the election.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:16 | 2903362 redpill
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Versus Mitt striking Iran as soon as he's in office? War is coming brother, doesn't matter who wins this charade.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:25 | 2903374 lolmao500
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This is why I'm afraid, bro!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:31 | 2903380 The Gooch
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You should end that Persian Gulf vacation immediately.

Boat Drinks!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:52 | 2903399 JPM Hater001
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Nope, I'm gonna need a vacation to really pull this one together...

Wow

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:05 | 2903529 Manthong
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 Just one more quick fling with the burka’d beach babes of Basra?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:46 | 2903587 piceridu
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Agree 100%...Obama could go to the war button if he feels he's losing...and if Mittens wins, he'll swing his balls around the war room...either one, it's bombs away.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:57 | 2903598 Supernova Born
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It ain't over till the dead lady votes.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:02 | 2903600 Deo vindice
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So a former Dem strategist says, "It's over", and we're supposed to be afraid Obama will pull something.

Sometimes I just don't get the disconnect in some folks minds. If there are powers behind both Obama and Romney who control both parties, and IF they want Romeny in the WH, then Obama won't pull anything. He won't be allowed to. It would be suicidal for him to consider it.

Now if the polls show Romney leading, and TPTB want Obama back in, then be very sure something will be pulled in order to get their man back in the WH.

Personally I fear the Lord more than either of these men or their backers and controllers, so I simply choose to live right today, plan prudently for tomorrow, and just not worry about all the possibilities that I have no control over in any case.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:32 | 2903745 Sathington Willougby
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Lord Karma has certainly hitched his horse in this philosphically barren and dusty town we call the US.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:02 | 2903339 Catflappo
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I dare say gold may even break $1,800

 

Sorry, I meant $18,000

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:06 | 2903345 toomanyfakecons...
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The 100+ nations BRICs alliance will force the issue when they dump the dollar from international trade and enforce multi-trillions dollar liens on the FED and BIS. They end of monopoly money and the return of the American Republic are within sight!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:06 | 2903349 alstry
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LET'S JUST CANCEL ALL DEBT.....

Then everyone would be financially equal.....for a few seconds, as we are all milking each other in a fraudulent debt based Udder World.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:15 | 2903360 Supernova Born
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I think the world would have to agree to commit collective economic suicide to willingly allow fiat to collapse.

However, some countries will end up being pushed off the ledge by the pressure of internal chaos and riots and then, like a roped climbing team, other countries will be pulled into the abyss.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 05:24 | 2903672 geekgrrl
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Nice metaphor! It conjured in my mind an image of cartoon map characters getting pulled over the edge of the cliff on a rope line.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:18 | 2903367 Solon the Destroyer
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lol

Was reading this on Acting Man about 5 hours ago and was thinking "what a great article for Zero Hedge" and lo and behold... Important article indeed. 

Pater is one of the most intelligent writers out there. I read him almost daily. Hopefully the Tyler's see their way to getting Acting Man a link on the blogroll.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:40 | 2903384 stevieblue
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I thought it was great piece, too.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:21 | 2903369 toady
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My favorite angle along these lines is the supreme court declaring the fed and all its pomps unconstitutional.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:37 | 2903383 Spastica Rex
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Hugh Laurie's best role ever.

SAUSAGE TIME!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:49 | 2903390 Orly
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Inflation will not be able to take hold unless there is some return to normalcy.  With the lack of faith in the economy and the people in charge thereof, there can be no return to normalcy because the people will begin to refuse to believe that their faith is justified.

It seems to be what is happening lately with the unemployment numbers and Philly Fed and housing data.  Suddenly, people wake up and go, "Yo, this is TBS."  Ordinary people on the street can see that there is no way there is a 7.8% unemployment rate.

As long as no one believes it, the currency (medium of exchange...) gets hoarded and debts are paid with zeros and ones with very little consumption occurring in the real economy.  Many things are taken underground and tax laws circumvented, which is, of course, against the law.  Once laws are broken and ordinary people become criminals, faith in government action recedes further and a vicious cycle begins.

With no spending going on, the Fed prints more, the faith recedes further and on and on until all we are left with are bennybucks or clownbucks or whatever word you want to use.

In other words, it is obvious that a deflationary scenario is under way.  How can a nurse afford a three-bedroom house in New Jersey?  Answer: she can't.  The values of goods and services must be allowed to settle at what the market will bear, without consideration of their friends, the banksters, taking a massive haircut.  As long as there is economic favouritism of one class over another, massive distortions in the economy will only worsen until we rotate back into the scenario mentioned above.

Fair markets are free markets with asset prices following the ancient and universal code of supply and demand.  Anything other than that leads to a breakdown in the system.  It is best to let the markets decide with the government and even the Fed involved only insomuch as to regulate true fairness and assure that free markets prevail.

:D

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:30 | 2903743 lunaticfringe
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I like your piece. Well struck. Unfortunately, our markets are anything but free. In fact I would argue, I am not sure that they could be manipulated anymore than they already are- Free markets....it just seems like such a fantasy anymore.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 08:11 | 2903788 Orly
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Thanks, Luna.

You mean as evidenced by the "movement" overnight on the worst financial news we've seen in a long, long time?  I'd say you're right.  But then again, that plays back to my point: no one believes it any more and anyone with two neurons to rub together can see that.  Far from calling people stupid, or sheeple, we must remember that they have very busy lives and don't pay as close attention to it.  They are starting to, however, and that cannot bode well for Wall Street in the future because the home-gamer isn't going to come back any time soon.

Once that trust is eroded, it's gone.  Take the folks responsible for money since the Great Depression, as they dwindle off.  My grandmother paid for everything in cash for all her days.  This episode will be even worse, leading two generations of Americans at least to be fearful and distrustful of markets in general.

They are cutting off their noses to spite their faces when all they had to do was have some attempt at fairness for all.  It's not some Pollyannish dream of utopia; free and fair markets are the best thing for everybody.  Same can be said for communism as can be said for capitalism: the system would work great, until the human characteristic of greed is entered into the equation.

:D

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 10:12 | 2906224 Cosimo de Medici
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Good stuff, Orly.  They're called "sheeple" around these parts, but it is these sheeple who have been pulling their money out of mutual funds.  On some level, they get it.  They know the government isn't looking out for them, so they're taking their cash and going home.  They're also split on the election coming up, not because there are two equal choices, but because there are no choices.  It takes time, but the natural constituency of the government is walking away.  Oddly, it is the government who doesn't get it.  They take for granted that which is no longer there.  The drumbeats are soft, but they're there.  Feel it.  It's growing.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:46 | 2903392 Shhh dont wake ...
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It's quite an ingenious system to fuck over everybody and everything!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:52 | 2903400 hedgehog9999
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Hey Draghi, some ideas for you!!!!!

Beautiful, fucking beautiful!!!

 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:01 | 2903405 blunderdog
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Domestically-held debt is not, and has never been, the issue.  Of course it can be canceled, but right now it's financing the massive ongoing inflation effort.  Why would the guys trying to *increase* the global debt level EVER consider erasing trillions and trillions in debt?

When this happens, it'll signal the start of official and direct warfare between politicians and bankers.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:14 | 2903420 Manipuflation
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I have to agree with the rhetorical nature of this question:

"Why would the guys trying to *increase* the global debt level EVER consider erasing trillions and trillions in debt?"

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:03 | 2903407 traderjoe
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It's hard to discern how much the author truly understands. He refers to the Fed as a part of the government. Really? No, it's the PRIVATE front of the banking cabal.

The reason for governments issuing debt instead of printing currency? Because that's simply the scam of the century: (1) it's a distraction for the fractional reserve banking system (where banks get to create money out of this air); and (2) those banks loan this to newly created money to governments AT INTEREST with the collateral of your future labor.

It's a scam. It's all a scam.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:30 | 2903442 Dr. Sandi
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traderjoe just made the point that has been completely missing from the article and the discussion. The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the federal government any more than Federal Express is.  It's just a name.

The only way to cancel all the government debt held by the Federal Reserve would be to bankrupt the Federal Reserve and the banks that own it.

I support the idea, it's a great start to rebalancing the monstrous wrongs that have been wrought on the world by big finance. But the chance of it happening in this world of wholly owned government subsidiaries is so infitesimal that I'd rather print my own lottery tickets and sell them to myself in hopes of a big win.

Then again, maybe I'll just change my name to Dr. Federal and see if I can snag a few million in federal transfer payments.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:36 | 2903624 LMAOLORI
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The Federal Reserve exists with the permission of our government.  The Federal Reserve Act specifies monetary policy via Congressional Mandate. It is overseen by two different branches. 1. The Board of Governor's which has 7 members who are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The Board of Governor's oversee's monetary policy and regional banks. 2. The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC). FOMC includes all the Governor's, the head of the NY Fed and 4 (of 12) regional bank president's in rotation. 

The Federal Resever must report annually to the Speaker of the House and twice annually to the banking committees of Congress. Congress could pass new laws any time to change how it operates or if it operates at all. Thus the real power lies with our politicians people only think it lies with the Fed. Since we don't have a gold standard the only real thing we have is the full faith and credit of the USA and the power that comes with being the World's Reserve Currency. Without the Fed our politicians couldn't spend with reckless abandon which is the real reason they won't end it, that and the power that comes with the money. 

Further according to our Constitution

Sect. 4 of the 14th Amendment. It reads in part:

”… .the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law… shall not be questioned”

And second, there is this Criminal Mischief statute

18 US 1361. Government property or contracts

“Whoever willfully injures or commits any depredation against any property of the United States, or of any department or agency thereof, or any property which has been or is being manufactured or constructed for the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or attempts to commit any of the foregoing offenses, shall be punished as follows:

If the damage or attempted damage to such property exceeds the sum of $1,000, by a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both; if the damage or attempted damage to such property does not exceed the sum of $1,000, by a fine under this title or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or both.”

I'm pretty sure our politicians would invoke the Constitution if it served their interests including the power and wealth.  Being the World's Reserve Currency means we can't default unless they do so willingly that's highly unlikely politician's love debt slaves. To save the bribes/donations they would not force the Fed to Cancel the government debt either. I see zero chances of them cancelling the debt. If things continue on a downward spiral I could however see something like this happening.

The Government Will Never End the Fed but the Fed is Destined to Die Anyway

http://judymorrisreport.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-government-will-never-end-fed-but.html

 

 

 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 05:20 | 2903667 Benjamin Glutton
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It turns out that JPMorgan did exceptionally well when it helped finance a bridge loan for California in October, 2010. Bloomberg reported the details (emphasis mine):

California used a $6.7 billion bridge loan from JPMorgan Chase & Co. and five other banks in October, when a record 100-day budget impasse prevented Lockyer from issuing RANs. The notes are commonly used for cash flow.

California paid 1.4 percent on the October loan, which was repaid when the bulk of taxes were collected later in the year.

California borrowed for a very short period, less than one year, and paid 1.4 percent interest to JPMorgan and the other lenders. At the same time, California’s short term bonds were trading at 0.68 percent for one year paper, according to Thomson Reuters Municipal Market Data. The loan cost California about $4 million more than the bond market rates to borrow for one month. It’s hard to see how JPMorgan and the other lenders were doing California any favors.

There is, in fact, another option for short-term borrowing that could save California, Illinois, New Jersey, Puerto Rico and other states in interest costs. The Federal Reserve open market operations offer short-term borrowing. This borrowing access for states is already codified in the law, Federal Reserve Section 14 (emphasis mine):

To buy and sell, at home or abroad, bonds and notes of the United States… and bills, notes, revenue bonds, and warrants with a maturity from date of purchase of not exceeding six months, issued in anticipation of the collection of taxes or in anticipation of the receipt of assured revenues by any State, county, district, political subdivision, or municipality in the continental United States.

It must be easier for a state treasurer to call JPMorgan and secure execution of a multi-billion dollar loan in a of couple days. But that convenience costs taxpayers a lot of money. It also provides less transparency for taxpayers than if it was done through the Federal Reserve. The cash flow needs of states will keep short-term borrowing around for some time. As interest rates increase, states shouldn’t rely on Jamie Dimon’s bank to cover their short falls. The Federal Reserve is, after all, the lender of last resort.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:19 | 2903727 overmedicatedun...
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LOL this post is the answer and is why ben and timmy and our DC overlords smile at each other ..behind the backs of the public..they can cancel this so called debt at anytime. The secret that once it's spent it has done it's work, and no one can collect when the .gov crowd calls a jubalee on fed debt. who's gonna sue in what court. holding gov debt means your IQ is lower than room temp. China we thought you were smarter than that.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:42 | 2903457 Solon the Destroyer
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I assure you, if you read Acting Man's blog you would know he understands the distinction you are making. He would also contend that the distinction is largely irrelevant since as history has repeatedly proven the Fed does the Government's bidding and not the other way around (and as we are and have witnessed with the PIIGS, Zimbabwe, Argentina, etc).

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:05 | 2903549 Dr. Sandi
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Then I assure you that Acting Man was being disingenuous by not mentioning the distinction in his entire 1 million plus word essay.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:18 | 2903608 Solon the Destroyer
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Wow. I'm so embarrassed for you right now.

Intelligent creatures don't need to go around repeating common knowledge. They don't have that kind of time. There are ideas to tackle. But judging by the intellectual laziness you just announced to the world I see you don't get that sort of thing.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:26 | 2903723 Dr. Sandi
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Your embarrassment will pass, just be patient. You'll be right as rain in no time.

Zero Hedge isn't where I go to tackle ideas. Zero Hedge is where I go for a couple of hours of mental masturbation. And you've just brought me to full conceptual orgasm, for which I thank you.

If you look under your keyboard, there's five bucks just for you.

Welcome to Cougar Town.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:27 | 2903435 ebworthen
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Should governments end the ponzi of their central banks?

YES.

Should governments stop kissing the ass of banks at the expense of citizens?

YES.

Should governments stop offereing up their constituents for kleptoligarchcical blood sacrifice?

YES.

If these fuckers don't stop it there will be a lot of the guilty, and innocent, hanging from lamp posts and overpasses.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:33 | 2903448 Dr. Sandi
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Considering the shape that a lot of the road infrastructure is in these days, I'd be surprised if the average lamp post could support the bloated weight of the average congresslime or bankster.

Same for overpasses. I know of one freeway overpass near here that would surely have the sides ripped off if it were to have a senator suddenly snap to attention on a rope tied to its railing.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:49 | 2903474 a growing concern
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Well, by God, let's build some fucking stronger lamp posts!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:01 | 2903545 francis_sawyer
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either that, or feed them a diet consisting of iPads, peas, & catfood for a few months until theydrop enough pounds so the lamp posts can bear the weight... Then hang em...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 05:30 | 2903675 spentCartridge
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Trees are quite sturdy.

 

And there are always stones lying around that could be thrown.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:40 | 2903456 toomanyfakecons...
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Wake me up when the 100+ nation BRICs alliance dumps the dollar from international trade and enforces trillion-dollar liens on the FED and BIS. That will certainly force the issue.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:47 | 2903470 chart_gazer
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I have been saying this for a long time, this is the plan. $10 trillion more to buy, then the fed can say "just forget it, doesn't exist".  The money supply will be doubled and inflation will be high but they will continue to run the "lie machine"  - its 2% and contained.  

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:09 | 2903495 MikeMcGspot
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Stupid is as stupid does.

 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:17 | 2903504 MikeMcGspot
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As you learn how to dispel fairy glamour. remember how much fun you had learning.. To do it.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:01 | 2903538 Radical Marijuana
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Since the vast majority of people always act like Zombie Sheeple, instead of cancelling the debts that they own, the banksters will cancel those people instead. Of course, debt jubilee is a nicer idea. However, mass murder is way, way more probably going to be the actual solution, since the vast majority of people were being routinely fleeced, and being set up to be slaughtered, for such a long, long time that there is no plausible practical way to do anything enlightened, like wake up to the fact that all those debts were odious results of runaway triumphant frauds, taking control over governments, in order to use the powers of We the People AGAINST the People!

THEREFORE, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES IS ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO DESCRIBE THE REAL FUTURE. The overwhelming vast majority of the stupid sheeple will be slaughtered off, through genocidal wars and democidal martial law. That is the actual plan of the banksters, which is very far advanced, and readily able to be implemented, much more possibly and plausibly than enough people waking up to their debt slavery having become debt insanity, and then those people doing something practical and realistic about that!

After all, such a debt jubilee would ONLY work IF the people took back control over the murder system, and imposed upon themselves better death control systems, so that their money system could be revolutionized, in ways which could bring their debt controls back into the realm of sanity. Without that, then the elite banksters will carry through their well-established plans for global genocides and democides, as the way to resolve these problems, by simply wiping them out, since the money is backed by murder, and therefore, mass murders are the most probable result from debt insanity becoming unrepayable. The ONLY genuine alternatives are new systems of lies, backed by new systems of violence, which will accomplish the necessary purposes of human ecology and political economy in ways that use more information, through a higher consciousness. That kind of debt jubilee is obviously way nicer to day dream about being the solution to the runaway debt insanity problems. However, since "stupid as a stupid does," the mass murder of the vast majority of the Zombie Sheeple is practically guaranteed to be what happens instead of anything more creative and intelligent.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:08 | 2903601 Dr. Sandi
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When the EBT card stops working, the ATM will give instructions on when and where you and the family WILL catch the bonus bus to the new FEMALand destination resort.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:16 | 2903503 Jim in MN
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Pop up ads suck.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:57 | 2903639 fredquimby
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Try Adblockplus and ghostery

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:38 | 2903523 lolmao500
Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:08 | 2903602 lolmao500
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BreakingNews: South Korea's says it will strike back at the source of any North Korean attack after threats from Pyongyang

The stage is set!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:30 | 2903619 Revert_Back_to_...
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According to this Shane in the video below, the South Koreans don't have a chance because the North Koreans "eat grass and sleep with thier AK's"

The video is really interesting. 

http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1...

This one is also worth a watch.

http://www.vice.com/vice-news/sofex-the-business-of-war-part-1

 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 04:11 | 2903645 Bloodstock
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I wonder if Korean men are attracted to Hilary? Will they feed her grass or show her the AK? It seems only a matter of time of which the global elite will turn on each other. There is no honor amoung thives. 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:46 | 2903532 q99x2
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Repudiate the debt. Wait just a minute. What's going on here? Let me stock up first.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:39 | 2903580 rufusbird
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recent gov't investmetn in the solar industy come to mind....

From above...

"Since government bureaucrats are not driven by the profit motive in their allocation decisions, they have no means of ascertaining the opportunity costs of their actions."

How true.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:14 | 2903605 ebworthen
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Someone else's money and they get kickbacks and help their friends; no opportunity costs in sight for them, only us peasants.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:37 | 2903627 paint it red ca...
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but, but, but isn't this the new economy where "deficits don't matter"?

the new economy where everyone works in the service sector?

the new economy where ass wipe politicians sell the public trust?

the new economy were destroying a business for its cash and sale of pieces parts is more profitable than creating or managing a business?

what the fuck is wrong with these people?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 04:04 | 2903643 Bloodstock
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Can't stand either one but at least if Romney comes out as the winner of this dog and pony show, he is impeachable where the man of color is not.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 05:11 | 2903663 davidgdg
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The debate is looking through the wrong end of the telescope. What is crucial is not what happens when the Fed buys the debt. What is crucial is what happens when the debt matures.

If the Treasury were to repay the capital on expiry so that the Fed's balance sheet then shrinks, then QE would not be the same as money printing because the Govt would have to repay the debt held by the Fed.

But THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENS. When the Fed's holdings mature, they are not repaid. Instead the Fed "rolls over" the debt.  The Treasury just issues a a fresh bond to the Fed so that the capital never gets repaid.

It is as if I "owe" my Dad US$ 100 but he just endlessly extends the repayment date by rolling over the debt without ever requiring me to pay it back. For all practical purposes I then have no debt at all. It is no different with the Treasury and the Fed. 

So what Ron Paul is talking about is not some academic question. It is what already happens!!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 06:10 | 2903686 honestann
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Cancel the federal reserve.
Then cancel the federal government.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 06:43 | 2903697 f16hoser
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why doesn't the treasury simply cancel the treasury bonds held by the Fed?

The Rothschilds and BOE are still laughing over that idea...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:11 | 2903704 THE DORK OF CORK
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"The government does not possess resources of its own – every cent it spends must be taken from the private sector in one way or another. The government can not add one iota of new wealth to the economy – it can only dispose of already existing wealth by taking it from the private sector. It matters not if this is done by means of taxation or borrowing – the latter method is merely a means of deferring the former (we will discuss inflation further below)."

He got the first part right - every cent must be taken from the private sector via inflation or taxes.

But who says Goverment cannot create wealth ? what does he mean by wealth - financial wealth or physical wealth.

Of course Goverment can create wealth - via utilties.

Private utilties have no interest in creating net wealth as it extracts from their profits......why would you want to do that ?

In the UK most utilties are now private as it changed from a nation state war economy to a extreme market state economy.

 

"In order to believe that this will create 'economic growth', one has to believe that government bureaucrats are better at allocating scarce resources than the private sector. This seems an absurd proposition to us. Since government bureaucrats are not driven by the profit motive in their allocation decisions, they have no means of ascertaining the opportunity costs of their actions"

 

Its precisely because they are not driven by the profit motive that they have a possibility of creating wealth as the commons is of course the opposite to profit.

And this is not "communist"

Kings have been taxing and recycling their wealth for a long long long time. (although after the 1600s Kings were replaced by nation states with the banks making money via interest on goverment fiat)

 

This is a failure of the Anglo model of investment where everything needs to have a yield - yield is what destroys real physical wealth.

The private sector in the UK has destoyed its capital base very very effectivally.

They merely burned oil & gas and converted this into short term profit.

There was no commons which said - hold on lads , this stuff will be gone after a period.

Lets use the resourse base to create a French scale Nuclear programme. (although to be fair - this was also driven by a profit motive - a yield on the fiscal debt created to make these nuclear units)

The UKs post war liberal experiment only appeared to work as especially after 1984 it went into current account deficit burning other peoples resourse base.

They have not created any net wealth (capital) in the UK after this period.

Almost all of the British private sector "wealth" is claims on external productivity.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:20 | 2903729 Ghordius
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+1 the classic "tragedy of the commons". which often have no market value (think about the air we breathe if the facilities example does not fit for you), hence they are mistaken for not being necessary or a form of "wealth" - which should be a broader term than capital.

you are interested in facilities like railroads, a question: why do railroads function on the basis of an ownership of both mediums (rails and rolling material) while motor-driven traffic functions on the basis of a common ownership of roads and a private ownership of cars?

A classic insight on dysfunctional distributions of ownership, costs, planning, etc...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 08:25 | 2903758 THE DORK OF CORK
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@Ghordius

In the UK the rolling stock investment is mostly private but at a very low base.

The track and mainly station is public investment but also at a very low base.

The UK has acheived much higher rail passenger numbers partially as a result of the effiecent use of its remaining capital stock but it does not have the capacity to replace much more road and internal air traffic because of a lack of fiscal investment in the commons , thus it is reaching capacity in many mainly southern lines.

It needs to develop (spend money) more of its local branch lines closed during the Beeching cuts and the existing mainlines rather then French high speed stuff because its population distribution is very different from France.

PS the French have published new transport data (Q2) which proves they really need the Franc back as even the Paris metro & RER is showing declines in the second quarter.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:08 | 2903710 THE DORK OF CORK
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The UK ONS has some mildly interesting doc. on capital accounts

entitled
Capital stock, capital consumption and non financial balance sheets, 2003 ,2004 ,2005 etc etc.

The caveats are interesting
These Chronicle the change from a nation state war economy to a extreme market state.

1961 : British telecom & post office reclassified as public corporations

1983 :start of privatisation era (1984 – Uk enters current account deficit ,coincidence ? )

1989 : water and sewage privatised.

1992 : NHS restructured into trusts.

Heres how it works : the UK goes into current account deficit , in particular real goods deficit – the real resourses from these external goods is used to bid up the price of non productive assets such as houses and stuff via credit hyperinflation.
The capital assets of the country appear to increase but the internal productive capacity of the country tanks. (the house price rises are the result of external increases in productive capacity
Eventually after 30~ years of this policey the external resourses from other countries is exhausted , to keep up its “asset” prices it must lay waste to other countries consumption – think Ireland & Spain.
This surplus consumption is directed into UK asset prices (private sector "wealth") ,sustaining the Ponzi for just a bit longer.

It may just may be in the UK & US narrow interest to sustain their monetary policey if you are of a zero sum like game disposition given their extreme real goods trade deficit.
The UK for example has got Germany by the balls as so much excess luxury car capacity flows into the streets of London.

This is game theory played at the highest level possible.

Once banks played nation states off against each other , now its playing market states against each other – at its core it is the same Phenomena.

 

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp29904_241335.pdf

refer to 1. : A more detailed stat bulletin

The first graph is very interesting.
Residential buildings & financial assets of households forms the bulk of these assets.

But if you think of these assets as claims on external wealth or productive capacity outside the UK the extreme nature of the UK becomes all too real.

This is why the Q2 net drop in income of £5.5 billion is so important for the UK.

It must destroy Ireland and Spain to sustain real goods coming into the UK but this action also destroys its income.
Its a Catch 22.

We are witnessing the failure of the Anglo model ,the Anglo world.
It has stripped Europe of its wealth…….the jewel of the crown , the eurozone is now a deadzone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYnGAZl3pjs

“For Christ sake, John. Don’t be scared. ? Go on and eat your cookies.”

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:17 | 2903724 andre0170
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Love to hear what folks have to say after reviewing the following speach on this topic (amongh others) from Michael Hudson: Summit MMT - Michael Hudson: Finances vs Economy, Credit vs Money [3/18 ENG]

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:20 | 2903728 THE DORK OF CORK
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This is how the modern UK works.

There is really not much remaining in Germany and Poland now.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stendal_Nuclear_Power_Plant

Even Poland of all places is going into coal deficit !!!!! Polish coal was forever was it not.

IEAs “energy balances of the OECD nations Y2011

Self suff. coal Poland
Y2000 : 1.26
Y2010e : 0.997

Germany is further down this entropy road.
Self suff. coal
Y1990 : 0.9472
Y2010e : 0.5874

This is a 1984 like growth through depletion meme , indeed the UK went into current account deficit in 1980 blooody 4.
After this the city merely ran surplus North sea oil & gas through the PIigs domestic energy systems so as to get a yield from their new grot production.
The entire European core capital base decreased from that moment in time.

Maybe Sterlings value is dependent on non sov euro states….if they become sov again and internalise domestic demand and rational investment what happens to Sterling ?
Its a interesting dynamic is it not ?
Nothing must happens in the UK yet London is a gigantic european consumer goods vaccum cleaner.

http://www.rail.dbschenker.co.uk/

DB Schenker Rail launches second weekly rail freight service between UK and Poland

Tuesday 09 October 2012

“DB Schenker Rail has strengthened trading links between the UK and Poland with the introduction of a second weekly rail freight service between the two countries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OooIxFg9xqQ

Poland is now turning its coal into london consumer goods.

Uk trade in Goods by area (Balance of payments, £ millions)
Poland
Y2002 : +50
Y2003 : – 84
Y2004 : -412
Y2005 : -664
Y2006 : -879
Y2007 : -1330
Y2008 : – 1307
Y2009 : -1870
Y2010 : -2309
Y2011 : -2768

They make Fiat 500s in Poland by the way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKPwEyvdOQs

From this angle its looks as if Europe is a colony of the UK
The real goods trade deficit with Germany & China is masssive of course.
In 2011 the UK imported £50,457m ( – 17,893 balance) from Germany
& £ 31,501m (-22,203 balance) with China.

During the finacial crisis of 2008 this US ,UK trade (unsustainable ?) began to break down – see above Poland data for example.
So called sov currencies must be looked at withen the context and dynamics of non sov currencies or countries which decide to be non sov to accumalate paper credits rather then real goods and rational capital investment which sustains rational domestic demand.

The only ideas that come out of London is poison......which means the city itself (and by extension all cities) must extract physical resourses from their hinterland (they all do this) but fail to provide any worthwhile ideas that add to human wealth.

This is why Rome finally died - Rome itself had no purpose other then extraction , finally the resourse base is all extracted out and the people flee to the former woods which now do not exist.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:36 | 2903954 Winston Churchill
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Prolly does Dork.

Its the British way.Still the biggest foreign investor in the US.

Before WWII they nearly owned the US, lock, stock ,and barrel.

Before WWI they did own it all.All the US robber barons were financed with UK money.

Never advertised of course.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:47 | 2903979 THE DORK OF CORK
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@Winston

The Brits also have a very big trade surplus with the US.

Must be the Scotch , they pushed out Irish whiskey exports back in the 19th century.

I don't think Bandon town ever fully recovered from that.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:31 | 2903744 THE DORK OF CORK
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These guys mix up claims on wealth vs real physical wealth as most of their clients hold a vast amount of claims.

They have been given Carte blanche withen the halls of power for a long long long time.

Don't believe them - their words are poison.

They should be pitied more then scorned but never the less they need to be thrown out of the halls of power from which they lurk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PvmUsVktFM

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:56 | 2903775 Mr. Lucky
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People who prep; ie buy mass quantities of goods they will need over time are viewed as evading their inflation tax by certain establishments.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 08:45 | 2903840 Shizzmoney
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PRIVATE debt is the one that needs to be cancelled; this way, consumers can have more money to spend again (instead of shuttling off half of their check every two weeks to some banker); businesses will have more capital to invest with (and hire more people); and tax reciepts off of all of this new velocity of money will help pay down the existing government debt. 

Inflation would be a risk in any form of debt forgiveness, but it would be offset of the collective "phew" the system would exert for not having to hold to an obligation which, to be honest, was fraudulent to begin with (because the money banks lent out for this debt........at INTEREST.......well, guess what? THEY DON'T HAVE IT!).

Of course, this won't happen - because you don't make profits off of debt cancellation.  You make profits off of interest, and the financialization of economies all over the world has led to banks anting off corporations, who in turn antes off their workers, who in turn, ante off each other.....until the bottle cap pops off.

If we continue this pace, the world WILL be set on fire, either out of frustration ,or to simply prove a point. 

 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 08:55 | 2903844 THE DORK OF CORK
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PS  - its not the central banks decision or role to cancel the public debt as they are but a bank.

Thats the role of the treasuary.

HMT did this before but to bail out the BoE in 1914 - thus the 10 shilling notes were paid for with interest.

But there is no need to pay the interest to bail out the banks.

You produce fiat without interest -

Greenbacks.

Of course that will never happen in the UK given the control of the city in all things British.

Its become clear the English and by extension the entire British isles needs a French Fiat King rather then a credit bitch queen of the habsburgs.

They need to dig up Richard the Lionheart or something.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:07 | 2903898 Dr. Gonzo
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The shit is irredemible and intrinsicly worthless yet they issue it and force thier subjects by law to accpect it as money. We then borrow and save and invest in things denominated in the shit...so everyone is intertwined in their cancer. The solution is to get our politicians to repudiate the shit currency as well as the debt. Duh!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:25 | 2903916 THE DORK OF CORK
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You need to create real money inflation ... crediting base money into people accounts and also building stuff that the new money is likely to flow into and it ain't fucking cars and houses.

The French have made some modest efforts to do this post 2008......the UK has decreased spending since 2008,

The Brits are without vision.

Direct from ORR

“Government subsidy towards the railway industry in 2011-12 was £3,901 million (£3.9 billion), this is £59 million lower than the previous year.

2). Government support reached its peak in 2006-07 with £6,308 million; government support has declined every year since.”

The lines to the south are now reaching capacity limits because of a lack of fiscal money as passenger numbers keep increasing.

Don’t believe the spin.
This is not the greatest investment in the rail system since the victorian era – not in real terms at least.

Much more real British (Polish , German , Asian.......?) resourses go into high powered 4 wheel drives.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Qashqai

Quahqai car sales( jan - sep)

UK : 35,865 units (number 6 top selling car)

Ireland :  3,256 (number 2 top selling car)

A absurd everyman vehicle.

 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:55 | 2903994 Inthemix96
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Dork of Cork,

The UK has not reduced spending or reigned it in since 2008, I live here, and trust me.  While the co-alition of the unwilling are talking tough and planning on reducing benefits to every poor sod in this country while making sure the banks get what they are due, last month the UK hit an all time record for borrowing what we dont have, and spending the fucker where it is not needed.

The co-alition are spending in excess of the fucking labour party who bailed the banks mate.  Dont believe me, google it.

We have cut fuck all, and are borrowing and spending like a cheap whore.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 10:12 | 2904045 THE DORK OF CORK
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@Inthemix

In this system you must spend fiscal or fiat money..............if you don't spend you will have no medium of exchange as the banks are busy paying down consumer credit.

if you don't have  enough medium of exchange thats when things really start to break down.

Have you ever tried to exchange Daisy the cow for 300 pints of stout ?

 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 10:35 | 2904141 Inthemix96
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Fair play Dork mate.

But the problem still stands.  We as a country are borrowing more and more each month.  The structural deficit is still treading water as we pile on more in un-payable debt.  But I do see where you are coming from, its just easing debt with more debt is a fools charade.  It cannot and will not make a hapeths' worth of difference.

We are still fucked.  And all to keep the Queens class in the comfort they are so obviously due.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 10:30 | 2904121 Grand Supercycle
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GOOGLE FORECAST:

As mentioned Oct 15 - days before premature earnings release sell off - GOOGLE daily / weekly / monthly charts are overextended & significant correction expected.

http://trader618.com
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-24/market-analysis

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 11:29 | 2904311 luckylongshot
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It doesn't need to be cancelled..just shunted into ZIRP!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:27 | 2904732 dadichris
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Debt-forgiveness, cancelling debt, or phased default are the only possible outcomes.  The debt cannot be serviced much longer so what else is there?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 17:01 | 2905464 blunderdog
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Inflation cures all debt problems, eventually.

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