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Guest Post: Thoughts On Roman Circuses (And Ours)

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

From history, we can glean more than just the bare facts of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. First, one has to understand that before Rome slowly toppled into dust, it was a very prosperous place. There was distinct upper, middle, lower and slave classes and, all in all, there was more than enough to eat and time to spare for numerous sports. Also, the Roman Legions were the largest and strongest, best trained and fed, best equipped with hardware aplenty of any nation-state-empire in the world at that time. Very similar, in fact to the U.S.A. (less a lot of technology).

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Like all civilizations, once in a position of being fairly rich, having food aplenty and the good life, the better classes of Roman citizens got bored with it all. I mean how often can you discuss the latest conquest of some unknown and barbaric place, long removed from Rome or a new and flavorsome dish imported for some outpost of the Empire, or the latest dalliance of the current Emperor with some Egyptian babe.

So, what to do. A bored lower, middle and upper class of citizens tend to get into mischief when not productively employed and, with having slaves in good supply, can afford a minimal workload. As time progressed and the spoils of Empire Building and Conquering, Inc. flowed into Imperial Rome, there was a natural impulse on the part of the ruling elite to pass along a bit more of the spoils to the populous lest they become jealous or perhaps a bit rowdy at the obvious top-heavy distribution of the goodies. The elites lived very well in Imperial Rome.

But food and trinkets will stretch only so far—ah, what to do after you’ve eaten your fill, tummy full and had a nap? Well, you play, that’s what. You need something to fill those idle full-stomached hours and so the elite once again come to the rescue.

Let’s have some circuses come to town. Starting out with traveling entertainment groups, shows were put on of many sorts from dancing and singing to – ah – traveling trollops who entertained in their own inimitable way.

And another thing. We’ve got plenty of captured enemy soldiers, why don’t we build a pit, toss a few into it – well armed with, perhaps, some novel weapons like nets and forks and cudgels and see who comes out alive! What a wonderful idea. While we’re at it, there are a few pesky Christians we have to house and feed, perhaps they might like to play with some of those marvelous feline creatures our Legions have captured and sent back from places afar. We’ll starve the kitties for a few days, put a small group of trouble making religious bigots into the pit and see if they can play with a hungry cat or two. Such fun!

The smell of blood, guts and glory in the afternoon would be just the thing to entertain those bored citizens and keep their mind off the fact that we (the elite) are robbing them blind while doling out just enough for the lesser classes to keep them quiet, satiated and out of trouble.

And so the grand Colosseum and other assorted playgrounds were constructed to provide a location for circuses while markets were built to provide free food and handouts to those of lower wealth and standing.

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Does anything about this description ring a faint bell?

Let’s pop our trusty time machine forward a few thousand years to, let’s say, 2012 CE. (for those who wonder about the “C.E.”, that’s scientific notation for “Current Era”. Prior to year zero, it becomes “B. C. E.” for “Before Current Era” thereby erasing any Christian influence from our dating system. This is in wide and accepted use now in scientific circles.)

In 2012 in the Nation called “America”, we have some interesting and disturbing parallels to ancient Rome.

Such as, you ask? Oh, let us do a few comparisons.

In America, as in Rome, the elites are promising the middle and lower classes more and more bribes (food stamps, welfare, disability, housing subsidies, unemployment checks, social security, free medical care and so on and so on) to stay quiet and behave.

As with Rome, this was only successful until the food, circuses, graft, and thievery caused such a drain on the treasury that the Roman Legions found themselves running short of funding and consequently shrank a bit, thereby reducing the booty shipped back home. This, in turn, reduced the freebies to be distributed to the “needy”. A viscous circle was then in place in which each cut to the military caused a drop in booty that caused the military to shrink and Rome itself to become a Lesser Power with Lesser Influence on its world. After all, we can’t cut the freebies to the “needy” so money is diverted from other activities (can you spell “clipping” and dilution of gold and silver from the coinage or as we might say, “inflation”?) to cover the ever increasing costs of bread and circuses and military.

In our miserable case, American elites can only promise and pay for freebies to the masses as long as other nations of the world keep buying Treasury debt and the purchases of Federal debt by the Federal Reserve do not become so excessive that the rest of the world (and American citizens) lose confidence in our veracity and begin to think of the U.S. Government as merely a group of thieves and knaves, unworthy of their further donations of hard earned (or printed) cash. Which, of course, they already are and just are not branded as such. But they are about to be.

At the same time, American circuses are in full swing across the land of the not-so-free and the home of the responsible-no-more.

Thanks to the ever advancing thing called technology, clever humans have invented virtual circuses; circuses that require no tents, no clowns, no bearded ladies, no strong men or midgets, no motordrome with motorcycles roaring, no ferris wheel or tilt-a-whirl or cotton candy or too heavy bottles to knock over with a too light a ball. Real gladiators need not apply.

Oh no!! Our circuses are virtual in that you carry them around with you, by the hundreds, in your pocket or purse or have it on your desktop. You are now – whether rich, middle class or poor, working or not – always within instant reach of your virtual circus.

Within that virtual circus lies unlimited feasts of every kind: games, blogs, movies, tweets and books of faces, bank accounts and grocery stores, every retailer on the planet, Russian TV and – horrors – blogs (for those who yearn for news not to be found on our toothless and pap-filled U.S. mass media), maps and translators, idiots and morons, sages and teachers of every level and veracity.

It is an infinite circus, running 24 hours a day, 8 days a week and you can spend an infinite amount of time browsing the sweet and bitter end of it at no charge. (Those sites that have the temerity to charge admission can safely be ignored.)

Now, does that beat a Christian being munched by a tiger or two hulks beating each other to the death? Well, perhaps not the later as professional wrestling is one of the most popular events for the masses to gobble – so maybe even totally fake and choreographed gladiators still have a place in the proletariat heart.

I personally believe that the ever evolving circus (next comes 3D! and perhaps a touch screen that works in reverse?) beats the living bejeebus out of a Roman version and is, as a consequence, contributing to the destruction of the human spirit. Why work when your food and cave are furnished to you by a benevolent nanny Government which leaves you to be entertained by your virtual circus (access to which is probably paid for by that nanny caregiver as well)???

Why become self-sufficient and independent amid all this largess? Paid for, of course, by borrowing from foreigners and a generation or two down the line who won’t know what hit them until far too late. Such fun!

Perhaps we are indeed on the cusp of a Romanesque disaster, a slow motion collapse that took Rome several hundreds of years to do, getting poorer and poorer and more violent and less populated as time goes on.

History will certainly repeat, but never the same way twice.

This time, the very framework of those circuses – what they exist on and in – will enable the fall of the current empire(s) to be much swifter and just as violent and deadly. Our ability to communicate worldwide in a flash at the the speed of light enables information – both good and bad – to be heard and seen round the Earth in mere milliseconds and the only delay is the relative slowness of citizens to find, read or watch and comprehend the disaster that will tip it all into the pit.

So here we stand, on the edge, citizens mostly well fed, clothed, housed and most of all, thoroughly entertained.

What happens to all of us when the plug is pulled?


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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:00 | 2903118 TeamDepends
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Try to grab your knees and roll away from the wreckage....

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:00 | 2903120 Jim Quinn
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This was written by Mike Endres and posted on my website.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:50 | 2903397 Squid Vicious
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would love to see the tab for that, in man hours and lost productivity due to traffic (not so much the bystanders, they seem like they probably had no better options)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:24 | 2905203 reTARD
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The people have also rationalized that it was okay to cut 400 trees because having it was worth it.

If you've seen any video of the circus media coverage, apparently a large number of people either don't work or didn't show up to work in order to participate in this circus.

Don't forget about the lost opportunity costs as well. ;-)

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:01 | 2903126 SilverIsKing
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Nobama and Romnot should wear togas at the next debate.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:55 | 2903769 francis_sawyer
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It is somewhat appropriate that two fasci axes adorn the backdrop of the Congressional assembly room...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:03 | 2903128 Pants McPants
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"History will certainly repeat, but never the same way twice"

Gotta admit I scratched my head upon reading this because it didn't make sense.  I get what Quinn's saying, nevertheless a better way to say it might be the ol' "history doesn't repeat, but it sure does rhyme"  Or something.

As for the rest of the article, decent as usual.  Quinn might be the most angry guest poster on this question he can't stand today's US Americanism (sarc to AnAnonymous)

(Edit:  Just read Quinn's above comment)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:05 | 2903706 Harbanger
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I have a different theory.  What if the modern Roman empire is not “America” but the "West" in general, I see the former Roman empire as having morphed into modern Europe. And as in those times, the “empire” split into 2 parts, East and West, Europe and the Americas. America being Constantinople. And as in those times, the fall of the empire occurs in Europe, but "the empire" continues in Constantinople.  Just as it did then.  That rhymes well to me.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:04 | 2903131 Tango in the Blight
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Read Edward Gibbon's The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Which was incidentily written in the same years in which the American Independence War took place.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 08:15 | 2903792 crusty curmudgeon
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Does your first word rhyme with "weed" -- if so, why are you recommending it?

Or does your first word rhyme with "bread" -- if so, what did you get out of it?

I'm curious because I've always wanted to read that tome -- but there are a lot of books in my queue.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:09 | 2903136 The big unzip
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When it happens in America (the wheels fall off)  then America will make Greece look like a Sunday school class that got a little out of control!  Standby to Standby!


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:10 | 2903413 Bananamerican
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Barbarians imported?


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:58 | 2903594 Dr. Sandi
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I'll bet that in both Greece and the Untied Snakes, a lot of people will be quietly sitting around waiting.





Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:11 | 2903137 Dr. Engali
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I'm reading this most excellent article far from home with my personal portable circus right now.

Personally I hope it's not a slow slide into the abyss. I'd rather be around and healthy so I can be of a benefit to my kids.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:23 | 2903162 kito
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No worries doc, reagan/volcker are in their way.....we are gonna leverage up, kick start some growth and buy us some flat screen tvs.......

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:31 | 2903571 AetosAeros
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As much as I would like to go with you on our return to the depths being fast enough in our life times to be useful, I don't think that is the master plan.

TPTB still have certain infrastructure, food storage, land development and security, and communications to put in place before their going to allow the 'real' collapse to commense. Hence the rhetoric for wars, disease (bird flu, swine flu, seasonal flu, etc), and other financial woes which help to captivate people on the carefully sectioned debate topics, and not focused on how any of it makes sense.

So in essence, a long, slow, painful, and morose demise. I figure they have this thing mapped out for a minimum of 8 more years, with the next 4 being as confusing as possible for people to figure out that the temp has been increased incrementally every 3 months. The latter 4 will be 'every man for himself', if the above mentioned rhetorical plans haven't already been enacted to dessimate as many as possible.

But as always, I wish you, me, and others like us who have the will to survive and not be a burden to our kids but a help; Luck. We are going to need it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:10 | 2903138 AgShaman
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We really need to get KRS-One and Obama together for a chat.

They could discuss this circus show that is the American System

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:21 | 2903140 Stoploss
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Yep, and don't forget what happens to the psychotic leaders as well.

They generally are torn limb from limb, by the masses.

That too shall come to pass again. (And globally broadcast of course).


Almost forgot, that is a botton up evisceration, starting with local leaders first.

Townships, then city, then state, so by the time they get to the upper eschelon, there is absolutely no defense for them.

That is also a particularly bad time to be a local law enforcer, as their families are sought out and killed in the streets.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:15 | 2903501 SilverIsKing
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You must be great at parties.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 08:00 | 2903779 Griphook
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I imagine you'd only have to take out a few local law enforcers before the rest would blend into the background.  It won't take long for them to see that, beyond their immediate family, there isn't much worth protecting.  And certainly not the village chieftains.  I suspect that it is the local politicians and hangers-on who will suffer the most.  City and County commissioners and other "officials" who lorded their positions over the rabble in their fiefdoms will suddenly find themselves facing pitchforks.  Soft and unprotected, I predict a slaughter.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:58 | 2904009 zuuma
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I'm extending your visual to slow, surly, fat, DMV clerks & postal workers.

Tax assessors, IRS agents, and, of course, those homeowners association pricks (and prickesses) who, with each petty order, remind us that we can be forclosed on if we fail to obey. [and they ALL have obama signs in their yards - funny, that.]

Hmmmmm...  maybe waterboarding before the limb-tearing for them.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:12 | 2903142 lolmao500
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Why become self-sufficient and independent amid all this largess?

Because the mob is gonna rob you?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:34 | 2903144 alstry
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If we advance production to technology....we can eliminate the Fed and the need to milk each other in the

Your next doctor's visit could be to Dr. IBM Watson for free while you are attending free virtual MIT classes....


It's not money we's the production money controls.....and technology doesn't require money, only requires a bit of resources, some electricity, and a little love....and as the form factors get smaller and smaller, the need for resources and electricity evaporates.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:59 | 2903599 Dr. Sandi
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Then I'll be eating my eyepad after all.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:19 | 2903154 lolmao500
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What happens to all of us when the plug is pulled?

Riots, more crime, more cops gunning down people, more people gunning down cops... more people living in tents... More people leaving the US.

Basically... Detroit but all across the US.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:31 | 2903180 AgShaman
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Human a nasty, smelly business.

It's tougher than runnin' a restaurant 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:48 | 2903534 Jugdish
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People tipping over porta potties, spray painting graffiti, tilting soda machines, pushing their friends in shopping carts, exposing themselves to night time rent-a-cops, stealing laffy taffy from quickie marts, buying dime bags, all things such as these that happen in Detriot just on a larger scale.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 05:54 | 2903683 StandardDeviant
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"What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.  Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!"
"Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes..."
"The dead rising from the grave!"
"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria"

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 06:47 | 2903700 Nimby
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Local movie house is showing Ghostbusters on Halloween.  Can't wait.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:25 | 2903166 Everybodys All ...
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All I can say is everyone better be ready to defend their property. At the very least have a plan when the system breaks down. I believe there will be unrest like nothing the US has ever seen and you're going to see things you never thought possible in our country. Violent crime has already risen 18% this year in the US. Imagine when a helluva lot more people get desperate.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 05:53 | 2903682 10mm
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Either by Austerity(Red Team)or cont money printing(Blue Team).They work in tandem the bastards.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:30 | 2903171 LouisDega
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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:45 | 2903209 TeamDepends
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Deleted!!!  Now that was a good year.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:30 | 2903172 Monedas
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Dollying the Space Shuttle through darky town is a form of circus .... and a fitting, ignominous end to a failed, wasteful government program !  When will it be over ?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:43 | 2903204 DavosSherman
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Fantastic write.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 21:58 | 2903238 HurricaneSeason
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I don't see any booty coming back from Iraq for the needy, except perhaps heroin pills from Afghanistan. I thought they were rebuilding Iraq so we can bomb it again since it's one of the few countries that we're allowed to bomb anymore. China and Russia always butting their nose in.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 16:56 | 2906799 jonytk
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oil contracts, reconstruction contracts that create jobs and they have to keep the war industry happy

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:03 | 2903246 max2205
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This is all bullshit. Everything is fine.



Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:03 | 2903249 Sparkey
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I think what happens is that a very large chunk of the population will quickly die, the reality we live in, in the media World, is not the reality which feeds us, as the World which feeds us becomes evermore distant and foreign, indeed in the present , the plains of Mars are as accessable as our own plains in the World of media, and equally foreign for most, we have no skills to survive in the post civilization World. In some way the mass media, computers and social media sites have completely captured, a very willing to be captured, generation, a generation willingly (as yet unaware), enslaved to their machines, never conscious of the fact: All these machines are subsiduary to the central machines which are tools, in the hands of the "owner?" to effect our behavior in a way "he? it?) deems suitable to their purpose, a powerful, game changing, Something!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:06 | 2903257 AvoidingTaxation
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I find that the use of the Negro race to entertain the masses is reminescent of the ancient times. Exotic, and used for fights and and sport and singing and for the big dick issue. He is

Another interesting point is that de Toqueville predicted in many interesting ways about the decadence of Amerika. Spaking about how the middle class will become bored and corrupt and doomed

And Lanin warned us about the inflation/monetary counterfeing issue in relation to capitalism.

Big stuff, nice article.

Bitchez, gold, silber, community, reliance, ammo, glock, sig sauer, seeds, land.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:13 | 2903258 stiler
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The Roman Empire's fall was long and so this one will prob take longer than you will live and occurred only to make way for the morphing of it into something new. There'll be another stage for the world's players after this. The end of the world's hour has not yet come.

One technology in which the Romans surpassed us was in the quality of their concrete.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:24 | 2903282 unununium
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Someone has read their Edward Gibbon.

Indeed the most prosperous period of the Roman civilization was the first 200 years AFTER the empire emerged, which was after the democratic Roman Republic was subverted after its 400 year run.

Maybe timescales are compressed now, but if we are going to follow the example of Rome then we may all live out our lives under the glorious empire that is still to come.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:06 | 2903348 stiler
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yeah, it's a regular "Tale of Two Cities".

Jerusalem and Babylon. One truly glorious and the other glorious only in a material sense. We each make a choice where we will live.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 11:02 | 2904211 FrankDrakman
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What's so freakin' glorious about Jerusalem? I'd rather be in London, Paris, New York or Hong Kong instead of some dusty sh*thole full of Palestinians and Jews.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:08 | 2903260 Hindsight2020
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Infinite time wasters available at your finger tips

Infinite 1s & 0s that can be summoned to fill an accounting deficit

Unless people get bored of TV and the internet (read never)  they will not realize what happens when you pretend a piece of paper has a STORE of value.  Paper money is an excellent medium for trade but loses credibility when the supply is not managed properly.


Grab anything finite.



Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:08 | 2903261 Whiner
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BCE=Before Christ Entered; CE=Christian Era. Don't try to rewrite history. It's futile. BCR=Before Christ Returns. Try and get in before BCR. You are an eternal being. Go long: BCR. Short saving yourself.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:11 | 2903269 caconhma
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It is right. Most of goodies come from China. So, how long will China continue the game?


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:43 | 2903973 HurricaneSeason
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They add 10 million jobs a year, at least that's the goal. We will lose 2 million good jobs a year or more. Once we aren't good enough consumers (China's GDP hitting 1 or 2%growth or sooner), the Chinese will be ordered to quit saving and buy(with real factory supported money). A trade war could bring that on quickly and probably will.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:30 | 2903284 ZeroAvatar
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"What happens to all of us when the plug is pulled?"  The Top 50 Dystopian Movies of All Time  pretty much says it all.



(HT:  ZH poster 10-17-12?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:46 | 2903311 ZeroAvatar
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It is an infinite circus, running 24 hours a day, 8 days a week, in all 57 states.  FIFY

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:42 | 2903438 hedgehog9999
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If there is anything that's happened in the last 25 years since 1987 or so is the incredible acceleration of technology improvements along with financial Engineering "improvements" that have facillitated the accelerating growth of the Circus environment which by the way existed in moderation since a 100 years ago with Baseball, Football, the Olympics every four years , the Soccer cup every 4 years and so on.

But now we have a gazillion other sports that expand the "Circus" menu like car racing, bike racing, Monster cars, etc , etc to things like Splatalot and many other stupid entertainment shows magnified and speeded up by the media and now the Internet with additional creations like reality TV, Dancing and singing shows , gambling everywhere and the Internet etc., etc.....there is no end to new ideas and out of all this my point is that there is continuous acceleration so when the collapse comes it will be equally lightening fast like a few years or even months vs hundreds of years as it took for the Roman empire.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:35 | 2903499 Radical Marijuana
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This is the main reason why comparisons to ANYTHING before in human history is always silly and superficial. What we have now is a global electronic fiat money fraud, backed by atomic weapons. Both have been astronomically amplified to be orders of magnitude bigger than the actual planet Earth!  We have enough fiat money flying around electronically to buy ten planet Earths, and enough weapons to destroy ten planet Earths. THERE IS NOTHING IN HUMAN HISTORY TO COMPARE THAT TO!!!

The flip side of gambling with GLOBAL RISK is that collapse to chaos will be global, and could easily go off the scale of anything we can imagine now.  Weapons of mass destruction became billions, then trillions, then quadrillions more than everything before in human history!  Nobody is able to discuss this sanely, because our civilization has become TOTALLY INSANE ...

Rome was running around with swords and spears, paid for with coins actually made of metal. The USA is running around with an overwhelming abundance of weapons of mass destruction, attempting to back up the international banksters' hegemony of the fraudulent control of the world's resources through electronic fiat money systems. ...

There is not the slightest practical chance of having any sane public debate about those central social facts. Instead, there is a deliberately maintained, but fragmented, fantasy culture, with antique religions, and old-fashioned ideologies, being promoted through technological means which are based on sciences which are absolutely nowhere, and in no sane ways, integrated into those religions or ideologies! We continue to use our astronomically amplifying technological powers to retell the same old stupid social stories ... Thus, our whole world has become like hundred million dollar special effects movies, based on retelling old, childish, comic books ... which works because enough people nostaglically want that to continue.

Global Neolithic civilization is based on the historical triumph of huge lies, backed by lots of violence, which is headed to a far more spectacular psychotic breakdown, far, far, far faster, than anything that Romans could have possibly done! Every day everything important automatically gets more insane, faster. BOTH the creativity and the destructions are BIGGER than anything before throughout all of human history. However, the prodigious creativity does not have any plausible and practical ways to be adequately implemented until the established runaway insane systems of fraudulent electronic money, backed by atomic bombs, breaks down ... after which, nobody can predict anything coherently!!!

The ONLY event in the past that compares to what is happening now was the development of photosynthesis. We are revolutionizing the kingdoms of life on that scale, far, far, far beyond anything before in known human history. We are changing things in numerous ways that go OFF THE SCALE of all the old ridiculous religions and ideologies, that are the biggest bullies' old bullshit, that are controlling what our society is still actually doing with science and technologies, that are MANY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BIGGER, AND COULD GET EVEN MORE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BIGGER STILL, THAN ANYTHING BEFORE IN HUMAN HISTORY ...

Therefore, the future will be the result of the astonomically amplified continuation of huge lies, backed by lots of violence, going off the edge of the flat Earth that the people doing that perceive! Physics and biology have gone through a series of profound paradigm shifts, while our political science continues to be as deliberately stupid as it can possibly be! Therefore, the future will be paradigm shifts in our politics FORCED to happen, after our collective deliberate stupidities almost destroy ourselves. There may well be genocidal world wars, and democidal martial law, with only tiny groups surviving. After that, MAYBE the awesome creative potential of those sciences and technologies will be utilized in more sane ways ... MAYBE ...

There is no doubt that there are an abundance of creative alternatives, and that there could be even more of those, HOWEVER, almost everything we are actually doing now is totally controlled by huge lies, backed by the threats of violence, which violence has a significant chance of finally breaking out, on astronomically amplified scales that NOBODY can fully imagine the consequences of!  Thus, the future will certainly be more destruction than ever before in human history, by several orders of magnitude, and then, possibly, for the survivors, creativity applied in ways that are also several orders of magnitude greater than anything before in human history.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:45 | 2903585 Dr. Sandi
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I want my Mommy!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:29 | 2903440 edifice
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Every Roman province had at least a small arena. Today, every U.S. city of any size has a football stadium. Bread and circuses will continue until the barbarians are at the gates or, as I would argue, the barbarians being produced within the gates overwhelm the rest of us. When the takers outpace the makers for too long, the system collapses.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 00:35 | 2903446 Boxed Merlot
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“In the purer ages of the commonwealth, the use of arms was reserved for those ranks of citizens who had a country to love, a property to defend, and some share in enacting those laws, which it was their interest as well as duty to maintain. But in proportion as the public freedom was lost in extent of conquest, war was gradually improved into an art, and degraded into a trade.”   excerpt - Gibbons- History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire – chapter one.


What I find amusing about this observation is it was written in the mid-late 1700s.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:14 | 2903554 Joe A
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What will happen? Well, the NWO of course.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:33 | 2903572 q99x2
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Things are getting too weird. I just had to write a paper on this for class today. I'm telling you there are too many people on the planet. When that happens it causes events of randomness to decline and events constellate in meaningful occurances that are based upon what is taking place within each individual.

The world is running out of possibilities and collapsing in on the big one.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:43 | 2903583 Dr. Sandi
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Fortunately, Nature will step in and help us sort it all out, in the cold-hearted but unbiased way that she always steps in and helps us sort it all out.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 18:39 | 2905669 ersatzteil
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Too many people on the planet? Will I be taxed for having kids Professor Ehrlich, or will corn syrup be laced with sterilizing agents?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:35 | 2903622 Lindorn
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Well - the spirit of this article is spot on. There is an interesting article and mp3 located here . Im sure many of you guys have seen it.  Some of the things in this thread like lions eating Christians, etc are a bit on the silly side.  Most of these stories are farce and overblown/outright manufactured.  You don't need to get stereotypical with Rome to draw relationships between what happened then and what's happening now.

-Bloated military spending/large amount of foreign occupation.

-Rampant inflation

-Increased spending of the "cultural capital" of the idea of Rome.  What I mean by this is that populace and leadership alike were leaning on Rome as an eternal concept of greatness, all the while dismissing the values and raw tenacity that got it to greatness in the first place. (sound familiar?)

-The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Rome's warring with barbarian tribe A then 2 weeks later paying barbarian tribe A to stay out of the war, join the legion itself, or outright help attack barbarian tribe B.  Sound familiar? (think Mujahadeen, overthrowing Irans government in 1953, etc)

Listen to the mp3 - you'll like it.  I'm a student of Roman history- and now economics thanks to you guys (and 2008).

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:38 | 2903628 AnAnonymous
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the purchases of Federal debt by the Federal Reserve do not become so excessive that the rest of the world (and American citizens) lose confidence in our veracity

People in power have to deal in reality. 'Americans' can not bypass this necessity.

'Americans' in power have figured out a long time ago that the 'american' scam was no longer this strong people would give it blank credibility check. It is no longer 1777. But 2012.

So they adequately turned to other means to get people buy the US debt, including shackling down resource rich countries in the 'american' power web, making it forceful for any country around the world to buy dollars to buy resources with it.

It is been a while that 'americans' in power know that well, truth is not part of the 'american' package other than to run a masquerade.

Probably, the FF knew about that, so that story is as old as 'americanism'...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 04:27 | 2903654 awakening
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What do you propose as the alternative to 'americanism'?

While I don't approve of America; I do acknowledge that at one stage it was certainly a good example of governance before it lost it's way.

When it lost its way may be up for debate, but I'd start with WWII for pinpointing when derailment may have occured, as since the end of the war many spoils (including the UN and Israels creation, Bretton Woods [and eventually the Nixon event of the 70s giving us our fiat problems), the rewriting of history [if the Holocaust was so undeniable, than I wonder why the need of laws to speak otherwise in some countries, not to mention the guilt trip from Israel and its American lobby groups making even the US someone elses bitch], the disarnament of Germany [hence being Europes "bitchez" today] and others not on the top of my mind [not a trip to Google was ventured with the construction of this post, ironic given thier share price today] ) became the catalyst of the modern world and the problems we all face now (many of which are covered better on ZH than most websites IMO).

China is certainly not much better (all that 'citizism' along, and within, the road for starters... peew!); and other countries are not exactly doing as well either, so I guess we are all stuck with what we have until someone wiser than most of us presents a better alternative (provided both China and the US don't team up to eradicate such alternative and blast us all back to the stone age).

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 05:22 | 2903669 Wile-E-Coyote
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Didn't Rome succumb to the barbarian hoards, the great unwashed. Watch out for China!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 05:27 | 2903673 GreatUncle
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You forgot to mention the economic manipulation by Emporer "Fed" Diocletian "Bernanke" at that point their economy had stalled also. another little known fact they also created a law making it illegal for a Roman citizen "to sell themselves into slavery to avoid debt and high taxation". The Roman elites, aristocracy did not pay taxes neither was only the ordinary folk is that tax evasion?

Don't you just get the gist of what was happening then the next bit with the lack of information seems to shout volumes though explainable by a drastic reduction in the population count. The Dark Ages arrive where any ipad "wheat" you own will be on anothers wishlist.

The Roman "then current" elites to preserve their position actually walk straight into the consequences of their own making because the only choices they can make create the end consequences. Right to the bitter end they probably said it will be okay also, then it falls and I wonder sometimes how many of them actually survived.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 06:27 | 2903690 NewWorldOrange
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"What happens to all of us when the plug is pulled?"

Well, what happened when "the plug was pulled" at Fukushima? Nuclear reactors need constant maintenance, a continual flow of electricity, and lots of parts and things produced by a highly complex supply chain that is global. There are thousands of such reactors. Do the math.

All this talk about "stagflation as far as the eye can see" is highly optimistic. What's coming is attrition in every sphere of human activity, followed by a biosphere so poisoned with radioactive isotopes that few if any mammals will survive.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 01:14 | 2906083 MeelionDollerBogus
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thorium reactors don't have that need.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:06 | 2903713 walcott
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Roman empire never ended, it has evolved into an entire global empire today.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:13 | 2903718 egoist
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Some of us will ride through it, some of us won't. I'm pretty sure that during that transition, a different version of the circus is in store for us. And it won't be virtual.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:27 | 2903737 Escapeclaws
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Evidently Quinn has nothing to say this week. In any case, I'll get my Roman History from JB Bury rather than you, thank you anyway. (Did you by any chance go to a public school?)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 07:30 | 2903741 GubbermintWorker
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I like football.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 08:35 | 2903823 toomanyfakecons...
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Lingerie or professional?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 08:53 | 2903869 Grand Supercycle
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As mentioned Oct 15 - days before premature earnings release sell off - GOOGLE daily / weekly / monthly charts are overextended & significant correction expected.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:47 | 2903980 Flakmeister
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Not one comment contrasting the similarities between the current out sourcing of the military and the increased reliance on Barbarian mercenaries....

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 09:59 | 2904012 Grinder74
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"(for those who wonder about the “C.E.”, that’s scientific notation for “Current Era”. Prior to year zero, it becomes “B. C. E.” for “Before Current Era” thereby erasing any Christian influence from our dating system. This is in wide and accepted use now in scientific circles.)"

This is one of those hopelessly stupid things to pretend like Western civilization has nothing to do with Christianity.  If they're so opposed to B.C. and A.D., then why is the year itself still 2012??  While we're at it, today is no longer FRIDAY, but Day Six, because we need to erase any Old English paganism from our dating system.

"The name Friday comes from the Old English Fr??edæ?, meaning the "day of Frigg", a result of an old convention equivocating the Old English goddess Frige with the Roman goddess Venus"

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:11 | 2904915 summer09
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“for those who wonder about the “C.E.”, that’s scientific notation for “Current Era”. Prior to year zero, it becomes “B. C. E.” for “Before Current Era” thereby erasing any Christian influence from our dating system. This is in wide and accepted use now in scientific circles”

  I don’t buy this PC nonsense.  The goal of science it to discover and disseminate truth, not to obfuscate. CE and BCE are obfuscations. There is no definable "current era" that started 2012 years ago and to pretend otherwise is a lie. If the birth of Jesus is what makes this the "current era" then why dance around that fact? To appease intolerant people?   The dating system we use if of course pegged to the accepted birth of Christ, so how does pretending otherwise remove Christian influence?  Some people may not like that the worldwide dating method is calculated off the birth of Jesus, but they need to get over it.  Whether you are a Christian or not, every time you write the date you are marking time from to the birth of Jesus.  CE and BCE notations are irksome not because I’m a Christian demanding “influence” but because those they are not factual acronyms and hence unscientific.

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 08:17 | 2907509 cityguyusa
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the only real difference is the politicians r trying to take from the people & spend on defense unlike the Romans.  "Come home America!", George McGovern.




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