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Man Self-Immolates In Front Of Rome's Presidential Palace
Over the weekend it was not some disenchanted and long-suffering Greek, nor Irishman, nor even a Spaniard, but a German who burned and stabbed himself to death in front of the Reichstag in broad daylight. Moments ago, yet another country which has so far had been spared ritualistic (attempted) suicides, joined the ranks of places where people would rather take their lives than live under the oppressive European depression, when a 55 year man of Romanian origin and father of six, currently living in Pinerolo in Piedmont, set himself on fire in from the presidential palace in Rome, the Quirinale. As Repubblica reports, he was protesting the economic conditions and the lack of job opportunities. It appears that whereas Europe may be "saved" and PIIGS bonds are being bought for the time being, the monetary transmission mechanism is still certainly clogged up and the central bank's record liquidity is neither reaching the ordinary citizens of Europe nor, most certainly, the most political square in Rome.
Earlier today in Rome:
From Modenaonline:
Behind the act there would be family problems, but above all economic. The act seems to have been exacerbated by not being able to provide for his family even the bare necessirites due to extended unemployed. The man has burns on 50% of his body and was unconscious when he was taken away. The scene is consumed in front of stunned tourists: the man doused himself with alcohol and used a lighter to light the flames.
Also when we said this is the first case of self-immolation in Rome we were wrong:
On 11 August a worker of 54 years, a native of Forli, set on fire in front of the Palace Montecitorio and was admitted to St. Eugene with burns on 85% of the body. The Widower, had lost his job for two months and had not yet managed to find another job. The worker died after eight days of suffering.
Sadly for a nation, and a continent, which despite all the endless lies in the media, is getting more and more desperate, and where 25% official unemployment (so 50% unofficial) is the norm, this is just the beginning.
h/t Joe
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Why is it that no politician does this as a dsplay of remorse for what he has done to his country?
you expect remorse from a politician?
Sociopaths are not capable of empathy.
Perhaps the Bernank can blanket them with dollars from his helecoptor?
You guys are on fire today!
That was me...
I was starved for attention...
The first of 23 images from the Vietnam War.
I pray these self immolations in Europe are not the beginings of another journey similar to the one Quang Duc's death portended.
BTW, there's never been a case of a cured socio(or psycho)path in history.
So what can we learn from that?
Hint: we need to out the fuckers.
Kind of reminds me of Obama's performance in the first debate.
Disco Inferno
Voight-Kampff Empathy Tests for all!
Truly a Mad World.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lch96GIc-WM
CB
No MDB, you're starved for a functioning BRAIN!
Italians and Greeks commit suicide and get a little press coverage and yawns from TPTB. Arabs try to blow up the Fed and get a whole lot of press coverage. Is it possible for the Italians, Greeks or Spanish to learn from the Arabs?
Do you mean that they should get the FBI to supply the gasoline?
Yes, exactly. Thank you for that.
Not many seem to realize all these arrests are set-ups, where the FBI, DHS or some other government agency gets the plan in motion, provides them with fake supplies, and then makes a big press-ticle of it to show everyone how well the 'War on Terror' is going. Back when I grew up, there was such a thing as entrapment. Now adays, that is nothing more than a term for the history books.
MACHOLATTE
So let's get this straight; you are.... ..what? A professional tptb watcher? Keen on and expert in interpreting their every tic, hiccup or "yawn"? Are you on a first name basis with some mythical tptb? If so, please enlighten us as to why we should be concerned that your tptb, whoever or whatever that term actually describes "yawned" when a courageous steel spined individual sacrificed his life in a heroic probably vain attempt to wake up brain dead zombies like yourself to the fact they are enslaved objects of third party plunder. And on what first hand knowledge do you know, with certainty, that Arabs tried to blow up the Fed? Why you have brought the fruits of your television watching to the comment section of ZH is a question only you can answer, but if you are trying to trumpet the fact that you are a member of the herd, you have succeeded.
yawn
There ain't no justice!
No but the people are...and they may just empathy all over the politicians.
O.T It looks like goog is trading again.
Was his name Sergei?
We just tell you that so we can get away with it. Psychology Bitchez.
Actually senatr Danforth came very close when in 1981 he admitted that they (congress) had bankrupted the USA for the sake of getting re elected.
That's why I say hey man, nice shot!
What is up with people trying to find the most painful way to kill themselves ? Whats next feet first table saw suicides ?
How about riding in a tiny clausterphobic capsule for three hours and then plummeting to earth from near outer space?
He's home chillin with his family, he ain't stooopid.
Did he own goo-goo shares?
They think that your early ending was all wrong;
for the most part they're right,
but look how they all got strung.
That's why I say...
Inbev's coming out with a new formula for Bud, only it will have a little less head.
They are sociopaths they feel nothing - lizzard people
Because they are all emotionless psychopaths who know no compassion and appreciation for anything whatsoever?
Tyler, You sure that's not a GOOG heavy hedge fund manager?
Definitely not, they would just take the $40M they made instead of the $400M, IMMEDIATELY shut down their hedge fund because their "high water mark" just became that much more of a bitch to get to, return what money is left to investors, change name/file paper work to start new hedge fund, pick up the phone and call their buddy at CALPERS (or any other pension fund) and get a few billiion and start fresh with no high water mark to prevent them from getting their 20% next year. The key is not to dick around and pretend you are going to continuously perform and, you must cut bait from previous fuck ups, start fresh. Sure, $40M a year is disappointing, but you don't have to sell the Aspen challet, the place in the hamptons, or quit the country club. Life is still pretty fucking good, hardly any reason to harm oneself.
+1 Peter Pan. Nor a single banker.
If you want to see a politician ( or banker) burn somebody else is going to have to light them up. But why stop at just one?
That was done in Greece. I don't think anyone got much satisfaction from the death of a pregnant bank teller.
In time. Be patient. Sooner or later the American will suddenly realize his plight...
where do i sign up?
Never understood why someone who chooses such a brave means of suicide wouldnt have the courage to take a banksta with him
I am no longer surprised at human stupidity.
i am not sure if he knew that the economic depression was caused and exacerbated by banksters.
There's nothing brave about leaving a wife and 6 children behind to fend for themselves.
+1
Can't wait to see Bernanke go up in smoke
Robespierre will take care of that.
The man's act has historical symbolic significance in Italy. The man burned himself in front of the Presidential Palace. In 1600, the Church was the de factor ruler of Italy:
Executions used to be held publicly in Campo de' Fiori. Here, on 17 February 1600, the philosopher Giordano Bruno was burnt alive for heresy, and all of his works were placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Holy Office. In 1887 Ettore Ferrari dedicated a monument to him on the exact spot of his death: he stands defiantly facing the Vatican, reinterpreted in the first days of a reunited Italy as a martyr to freedom of speech.
Rome, with her insatiable lust for power and wealth is guilty of burning tens of thousands and slaughtering millions more over the centuries.
Her diabolical instruments of torture and death have rarely been equalled and never surpassed.
exhibit b for the nobel peace prize winning eu. ok, point proven :).
It never ends.
If you look closely, you can see a Black Swan. Rising like a fuckin phoenix.
Lets pray it shits all over the NYSE and CNBC offices...
Sad, hope his life insurance helps out the family.
The first thing life co's do is find a reason not to pay.
Suicide is not covered.
Neither are acts of God. But acts of lard are covered, i.e. dying from obesity.
Maybe if you consume yourself one match flame at a time, you hit paydirt.
Depends on the policy and how long it has been held.
Don't know about Italy, but in the USSofA if the policy has been in effect for 2 yrs. it is.
I'm guessin' a Romainian living in Italy probably cannot afford life insurance.
I don't know man, he's got six children to care for and this is what he does? He couldn't resort to stealing for his family or something. I just can't see the valour in what he did.
What about being useful and trying to assassinate the scum doing this to your country instead of stupidly burn yourself to death??
He wasn't in "his" country, he was in a foreign country complaining to a foreign govt -(like some foreign commie with 6 kids is their problem or they can fix his problems, they can't there aint a big enough govt). Fuck him and his indigent widow and children-boot.
SmittyinLA said:
Keep that in mind when circumstances force you to sing a different tune and emigrate from LA to flyover country.
That's very citizenish of you.
OK, that's taking it just a little too far. Of all the strange things I've heard of, I've never heard of anyone fucking children's boots. Even down there where you're at, that's got to be considered a little weird.
"stunned tourists"
American Boomers no doubt.
"Dat sa hotta meatball"
Chef Boyardee
Too soon?
I like my Italians toasted, but not burnt.
Was it for personal reasons ?
No, monetary.
ba dum tss
Nick Cave sings I'm on Fire
Vulture Paul Singer should be held accountable.
This is different from the Japanese New Type Depression. This is Troika Type Depression.
Nobel Prize Infinity
These "awards" are becoming as valuable as the USD.
Crispy critters, bitchez!
http://youtu.be/Ecpe48T3AMo
This is autoagression.
Flamboyant.
When this happens in the USA it doesn't even make the national news...
http://www.wmur.com/Police-Man-Found-On-Fire-Near-Courthouse-Dies/-/9858...
There was one Sunday night locally.
http://www.wral.com/man-fatally-burned-at-jordan-lake/11671033/
Young guy too.
pods
Theres no way that was self-immolation. The police are either inept or inept and responsible.
Seemed odd to me that a Raleigh kid, let alone with a foreign name would travel out to Jordan to do something like that. Idk.
Lots of awful shit been going on around here lately. Guy on fire is not the worst news I have read. The kidnapped, raped, shot and tossed in the river girl has that distinction.
Shit is slowly breaking up and people are acting like it is. It starts out as a trickle.
pods
Edit: (I sure as hell didn't junk you.) And the area was right off 64 so it was not as out of the way as I thought. Might have called it Apex instead of Pittsboro.
I just dont see any motivation for suicide by fire at 10:30 on a sunday night while you are alone in a secluded gravel parking lot with tree coverage on 4 sides. You do that in front of an audience to make a statement. He could have just as easily gone to the Chapel Hill campus and really made some headlines.
Alcohol was involved in most of my bad decisions also.
Yep, also usually followed by days of suffering.
Nothing a round of antibiotics can't clear up.
Oh, how horrible for Europe. Coming to America?
I do NOT see how we get out of our box...
Gotta respect the human torches, as symbols go they are pretty glaring.
Poor sod.
Couldn't he find the Italian Fed ?
Had he googled Italian Fed he would have been given a fake bomb by the FBI or Interpol.
These are the early warning signs. The next phase, the rage gets directed outward and that's when all hell breaks loose.
Smoors anyone.
Eh, Off topic all. Tyler.....Bonds!!!!
Watch for the usual 'american' lingo: personal tragedy.
You could be able to glean a few around...
...and of course, as expected, chiming in like a cuckoo clock is AnAnonymous. Eager to exploit this incident, he will somehow blame US citizenism and incorporate it into his anti-American fatuous fatwah.
There is a white spider that lives in the Amazon jungle. It is said that the instant it bites you, you die. When walking in the jungle, you should avoid grabbing hold of trees, because you could inadvertantly catch hold of one of these death-dealing spiders.
Anon, shut up and get me an egg roll.
As Madame Nhu used to say, "That a human barbecue".
I would say these assholes (http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressData/Pics/photo...) should be forced to watch these protests like these German POW's were forced to watch the concentration camp footage (http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressData/Pics/photo...) except for the fact that these eurocrats might actually enjoy watching these protests.
Must be why Nat Gas jumped 4% after inventories came in above expectations this week.
Some algo is making sure oil stays at $92 and nat gas stays at $3.50.
RIP. Sadly just the beginning.
Google trading again - here comes the ramp!
Hey look it's a guy doing an impression of Google's stock!
This protest and others like it are signs that citizen rage is boiling over. Think this bad? As food and gas prices continue to rise we will be start seeing even more dramatic gestures. Winter will be dark and cold, especially when nat gas is added to the ever expanding list of burdens. Do you starve to death, freeze to death, or make a grand defiant gesture. Nothing scarier then a desperate man and his family. Its not hard to see where this is going.
Sorry, just not feeling the sympathy many of you bleeding hearts are grunting out. He had 6 kids, did I read that right? Probably a product of the welfare nanny state gone austere. No hope because why? his pre printed euro squeeze bag o money dried up? If six kids don't give you something to live for you suck as a human being, he needs to fuck off and die in a....Oh, he did.
I have more sympathy for someone sucking for air trying their damnest to live, fight for LIFE after being sucker punched by some bullshit illness than I do for this drama queen.
wow.
This person obviously has mental issues. A normal person would go beat some ass before doing this. He's depressed, hit bottom, feels like there is no hope, can't see a way out. People with tougher, stronger, and more stable minds can't relate, but maybe search for some empathy for what the guy was going through. Burning yourself to death and leaving your family behiind was a shitty choice (and a pretty unattractive one at that), but no need to pile on, I'm sure his family wouldn't appreciate it.
Hey Boo Boo (nice name faggot), GO FUCK YOURSELF you retched piece of shit!
I doubt you actually are capable of sympathy there booboo.
You don't even have to feel sympathy, or empathy, you can just try to avoid being an asshole and everyone is all the better.
But no, the "pick yerself up by the bootstraps" fella has to jump in an add in his unwanted 2 cents.
Let's hope that those around you have a bit more empathy when speaking of you.
pods
"Let's hope that those around you have a bit more empathy when speaking of you."
Speaking of me......when? Lets not "Hope" lets reason. Sympathy? yes, for his six kids and mom(s) or did you forget about them already?
"Sorry, just not feeling the sympathy many of you bleeding hearts are grunting out. He had 6 kids, did I read that right? Probably a product of the welfare nanny state gone austere. No hope because why? his pre printed euro squeeze bag o money dried up? If six kids don't give you something to live for you suck as a human being, he needs to fuck off and die in a....Oh, he did."
You ignorant arsehole. We pay through the nose for what you call a preprinted euro squeeze bag. When you pay 50% of your income in tax, 22 and shortly 25% tax on all purchases (and that is after you have been taxed on your income) massive taxes on fuel and other such commodities (like we pay $10 a gallon and 20 €cents per kwHr for electricity) then you may possibly have the right to say that. Until then piss off and shut your cakehole you ingoramus.
Another eurotard justifies killing himself
"We pay through the nose for what you call a preprinted euro squeeze bag. When you pay 50% of your income in tax, 22 and shortly 25% tax on all purchases (and that is after you have been taxed on your income) massive taxes on fuel and other such commodities (like we pay $10 a gallon and 20 €cents per kwHr for electricity) then you may possibly have the right to say that. Until then piss off and shut your cakehole you ingoramus" So this means what dopey?
blow me dough boy, you pay that much because you are bailing out british bankers NOT so you can sit on the dole,
Honey BooBoo what you don't get is that man died an emotional death of a thousand cuts b4 he ever lit the match.
Now go have you some sketti with butter.
Oh really dim wit? We were paying this long before the financial system was tainted by the Americans and their shenanigans and please explain how with a name like red IRISH mist we would be bailing out the British bankers. More likely German banks actually but that is bye the bye.
You know absolutely nothing about how Europe works. All you see is people who according to you are paid for doing nothing. Yet in America if you are out of work eventually you are discarded on the dung heap of society by your Government who care nothing whatsoever for it's citizens. Which do I prefer? Obviously the system that at least cares a little about the citizens it is supposed to serve.
I sincerely hope that you become unemployed. I shall dream about you living in tent city and bemoaning your lot you selfish piece of trash.
I wish I could have talked this guy into just walking away and faking amnesia while doing gardening at some gentle and kind monastery or church for food and shelter, until he could catch his breath. What a thing to do to (him thinking "for"?) his 6 children.
There will be an end to this storm, and we will come out of it to enjoy the dawning of the Kurzweil Singularity. Don't kill yourself in the mean time.
When everyone else is losing their heads, keep yours.
The US government will pay off all of its debt and meet all of its obligations, without default, before the Kurzweil Singularity arrives.
I don't mean to bum you out, I'm just sayin'...
That must have cost quite bit considering the fuel prices in Euroland.
Edit: I see that they stated he used alcohol instead of gas. Bastards have made it too expensive to even do it right.
I would like to see politicians and banksters put to death in this manner.
Good riddance, one less mentally fucked person in the world to deal with.
And for you fuckers that down vote me, fuck off, this shit is about survival of the fittest.
The best we can hope for is that more mentally unstable fuckwads kill themselves, which increases the odds of survival for everyone else on the other side.
Besides, I have no use for weak minded fools with no desire to live.
You strike me as rather weak-minded yourself, since you ignore his successfully passing on his genes to six kids. Whoever has the most babies wins.
Even a moran knows how to whip out his pecker.
This guy is a weak minded loser.
What a selfish asshole to do that to his family all over "economic oppression"
Give me a fucking break.
Cone of Uncertainty said:
True enough. The real challenge for them is spelling the word moron.
Nope, its an internet meme douche.
Welcome to the interweb moran.
MORAN
We all hope that yours does not get out of hand.
So your hope is that the bankers and politicians and corporate leaders will do this to themselves? Ha......
If it's mentally fucked with thine eye that see, it's mentally fucked in thy mind that be.
But... but... EU won Nobel Prize! Isn't that heaven on earth?
It's "immolate." Self-immolate is redundant. It's like saying self-suicide.
Yes, I know definitions are dynamic, and when a sufficient number of stupid people repeat something it becomes true, but still.
Reminded me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H78e4Yf5uQA
Very poor transport data yesterday from Paris.
Even Paris Basin RATP (metro , local city rail , tramways , bus) is showing declines in Q2
A -2.3% fall of passengers in Q2
French rail also shows a decline of -0.4 %
In a energy crisis this should not happen......thats a monetary breakdown.
Time to go back to the Franc me thinks.
I bet the Nobel committee has a prize for this to.
There's more productive ways to accomplish this. If you're going out, best to take a few bad guys with you first, as many as you can.
Nice job ass-clown.
Bet those 6 kids lives are going to be improved now.
You don't have the luxury of making a self absorbed display of fail when you have responsibilities.
Go rob a bank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMmQSEaS-w0&feature=related
The Kill - 30 seconds to Mars - "I'm through with you"
Sure go ahead and romanticize life with your sheltered views, accompanied by storybook fairy tales about pearly gates and wide open arms of a giant Father in the sky, welcoming you into paradise where you'll never know what it is like to want.
Have you ever known great poverty? There is despair but also drudgery the color of concrete blonde day after day. In today's setting, there is no hope for relief from it in our lifetime unless the law is enforced and the banks are reeled in - and that can kill the spirit of a person who has a need to not be categorized and forced to live beside never-do-wells because of circumstances outside of himself.
Wasn't there a time when the old hiked to the top of high mountains where they'd say good-bye to life rather than turn their family into nurses and maids, to die with dignity and leave your family with memories of you that do not include incontinence, inability to feed oneself? Imagine it is similar.
The young man in Tunisia who did the same after his only method of income was taken away due to a city ordinance was simply unable to see himself in a role where he had absolutely no use in life.
I can't think of anything worse that to have no use in life.
These are not just hard times. This period in history is a cull of the population. And it is happening after a heist/seizure of personal assets, including jobs, to the middle class across the globe.
The scam called globalization will get far more ugly than this. but the cameras will not always be there to entertain you. Being poor is exhausting. Worrying never stops. Sleep is elusive. Being a father, husband, son would make most men feel responsible for the livelihood of their loved ones.
Over the past year, I have read 2 comments in forums by single women without immediate family members whose jobs are being outsources at an unprecdented rate in the IT field; they both stated that when their jobs were over, their lives would be too and they've already made plans of how they would do this.
Living a poor person's life was not something many can do. No income. None at all would send us into the streets. And in the streets, you become prey. The streets are a jungle filled with drug addicts, dangerous criminals fleeing the law, and individuals who are social misfits and mentally ill. And they come alive at night.
This is drawing attention to the plight of middle income people who are faced with no fucking hope for a solution.
"...he was protesting the economic conditions and the lack of job opportunities."
I don't understand the logic...Give me economic stability and a job government or I'll roast myself? Notwithstanding the sense of entitlement harbored in that kind of attitude, why would anyone expect any real solution to this guy's problems to issue from any government? Lost souls IMO. I wonder, how does this act affect the economic situation of his remaining family?
Oh I can give you an inside view of what a man is going through when his last paycheck arrives and he realizes there will be no other paychecks made out to him.
He sees himself as a beggar and a possibly resorting to being a thief to survive.
For a man who has worked and paid his way for the greater part of his life, possibly taking great pride in it, that would deem him a disgrace to himself and in his eyes, a burden on his family.
It happened to my father who was an accomplished explosives expert (international) in mining industry. He was too old and too tired to face that battle that comes with poverty. He may have saddened his mother and his family but he had stopped wanting to be here, stopped wanting to wake up to the same thoughts, to the future which he knew would be anything but enjoyable. His health was declining and he had lost the love of his life to breast cancer. It was the end of the road for him. As his daughter, I felt left out of that decision and not given the chance to try to change the course of his life, but it was not my life and it was his decision to make.
Who am I to judge someone's personal suicidal actions. However, the self-immolator mentioned in the above article made his actions political and for all to see. That is what I question. RIP to your father BTW.
why didn't he hike north to Switz w/ the six kids [and wife?]
'Doused with alcohol' .... perhaps he drank a lot of alcohol first ..... glad he survived, but that must hurt.
Lisa: What are you gonna do? Creasy: What I do best. I'm gonna kill 'em. Anyone that was involved. Anybody who profited from it. Anybody who opens their eyes at me. Lisa: [Whispering] You kill 'em all.
Americans are armed to the teeth, but instead of working together and taking back their government from their sociopathic leaders; they polish their empty guns and put them on display in their gun cabinets, and then sit at their computers complaining about how bad things are. The Second Amendment was not included in the Constitution for the purpose of hunting squirrels. It was put in there so rednecks could go to gun shows.
Charter member Committee To Encourage Socialist Self-Immolation ! We are currently trying to increase the number of copy-cat incidents .... especially with the off beat races !
The emotionalism has been covered in other comments, so let's ask some questions:
---Was he legal or illegal?
---Did the Italian Govt make him have six children?
---Would his job prospects be any better under a gold standard or a non-fractional reserve banking system?
---Would his job prospects be any better if Italy had always balanced its budget?
---Are the prospects for his wife and six children better now that he is in intensive care and may pass away from infection?
As an aside, one can at least suspect some uncomfortable associations if one plots the long term graph of human population next to 1) crude oil production, or 2) during the time when fractional reserve banking was in vogue. "Can't get there from here" is a phrase that comes to mind.