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To Promote The Great European Socialist Revolution, France's Hollande Will Ban Homework

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Homework favors the wealthy. This is the position that the increasingly imbecilic President of France is taking in proposing a ban on homework as part of a series of educational reforms. As ABC reports, Hollande sees "education as a priority" but work should be done during school hours rather than at home "in order to establish equal opportunities." But before the children of France rejoice, Hollande is unlikely to garner their future votes, as his proposal also looks to extend the French school week to nine half-days a week to be spread over four, five, or six days (as opposed to the current four days a week with Wednesdays off). Though we may sneer at this oh-so-socialist ideal of 'sharing' the homework load into the school-day, it is perhaps noteworthy that the US still lags France in Math (US 31st in the world vs France 22nd).

 

Via ABC:

Talk about courting the youth vote. French President François Hollande has proposed banning homework as part of a series of policies designed to reform the French educational system.

 

Education is priority,” Hollande said in a speech at Paris’s Sorbonne University. “An education program is, by definition, a societal program. Work should be done at school, rather than at home.”

 

The justification for this proposed ban? Inequality. According to a statement from an official at the French Embassy, “When it comes to homework, the President said it should be done during school hours rather than at home, in order to establish equal opportunities.” Homework favors the wealthy, Hollande argues, because they are more likely to have a good working environment at home, including parents with the time and energy to help them with their work.

 

Hollande’s education proposal is not limited to a homework ban. According to the embassy, Hollande has also pledged to add 60,000 teaching jobs in the next five years. He has also expressed support for extending the school week by establishing a model in which children would attend school for nine half days a week. Schools would be able to decide if this is spread over four, five or even six days, in consultation with local authorities and parents.

 

French children typically go to school for 36 weeks out of the year. The school day is roughly as long as an American workday, lasting from 8:00 to 4:00 or later. However, in most schools the week is only four days, with Wednesdays off in addition to Saturday and Sunday.

 

Hollande’s proposals are not official yet; they’re part of an ongoing national debate about reforming the education system, which is, according to the 2009 Program for International Student Assessment, ranked 21st in reading, 22nd in math and 27th in science among countries in the OECD (Organisation for Economic Development and Co-operation). The United States ranks 17th, 31st, and 23rd in those respective categories.

 

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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:05 | 2900662 Capitalist10
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Hollande is working to to get the French economy competitive with the Greek economy.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:07 | 2900677 margaris
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Will the people now finally wake up and see government as the monster it really is?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:12 | 2900702 CPL
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Hell no.

It is impossible to fix stupid.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:14 | 2900709 Popo
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Well I suppose if you're trying to create a society made up of factory-working proles, that's one way to do it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:17 | 2900718 MillionDollarBonus_
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This is the beginning of the war on greed. You can go ahead and be a CEO or a big shot if you want, but expect to pay a heavy price for you exploitive and immoral indulgences. Earning in the top income brackets is a moral abomination, and should be punished in line with murder, rape and theft. The more money big shots make, the less money there is for everyone else. I want my fair share of that wealth. CEOs make hundreds of millions of dollars a year … what do I get?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:20 | 2900735 Desert Irish
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another reddie

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:28 | 2900767 Harlequin001
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Well for once I actually agree with him. My kids spend far too much time doing homework. When I was a kid I was out on my bike and came home only when the street lights came on. I only started doing ANY homework when I went to Grammar school. If you can't educate a child between the hours of 9-5 then you're doing something wrong.

Children need to spend quality time doing something other than being turned into another mindless automaton by the state.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:58 | 2900845 economics9698
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MDB I want equal access to your wife’s twat.  It’s only fair.  We are all one under the sun.

 

 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:18 | 2900914 azzhatter
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she should be easy if she married that doucher

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:59 | 2901008 MillionDollarBogus_
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MDB is gay - doesn't have a wife.

What do you get, you ask..??

You get to post here, for all to see...

Carry on...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:53 | 2901204 economics9698
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For the record elementary school, middle school should be;

1.  Breakfast.  Most parents do not require their kids to eat breakfast anymore.

2.  Two hours of instruction.

3.  Two hours of gym class outside doing things, whatever, think of something.

4.  Lunch.

5.  Half a hour to socialize.

6.  Two hours of instruction.

7.  Go home.

The 4 hours should be reading, writing, and arithmetic.  That’s it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 18:28 | 2902753 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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Don't forget to work in some firearms training ... they're gonna need it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:33 | 2901125 A Nanny Moose
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Be careful what you wish for.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:30 | 2900917 MilleniumJane
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I agree, Harlequin001.  My kids have up to two hours of homework a night.  It makes a hectic evening trying to make dinner, get the laundry and housework caught up, bills paid, schedules synched, yard work and all the other things that make a family go smoothly that much harder because the teachers in our school district looooove to pile the homework on.  I think it's because of this No Child Left Behind bullshit compounded by all the fucking full days off, half days off and the half dozen field trips per year the teachers refuse to downsize.  I'm all for a good field trip, but I remember going on only two or three per year.  This week, my 5th grade kid is going to some pumpkin patch.  The school district has them go every year.  He even wonders "What the hell?!?"  Yet they go to gym class only twice a week because of budget cuts.

I have no problem assisting with homework, but oftentimes the kids come home with work that the teacher has given them that the teacher spent maybe ten minutes giving a brief perusal with zero practice.  So now I have to basically teach my kids the new skill.  In my opinion this is the teacher's job.  But that would take away from all the bullshit assemblies (once a week) and "share" classes, a real class in my kid's middle school, I shit you not.  Teachers are much lazier these days than when I was a kid.  My godparents were excellent teachers and, to them, it was a calling, not just a paycheck.  I remember going with them to the school at least an hour before the first bell and they usually stayed at least another hour, if not two, after the last bell.  They usually had 3 or 4 students who they told to come in because the students had fallen behind on something and needed extra help.  They were tough but they cared about these kids.  On top of that, they were community volunteers.  Papers were graded at night or on weekends and vacations and summer vacation was for taking classes to update their teaching credentials.  Nowadays, it's always two or three days off per trimester for "Staff Training Day," but the kids are still coming out illiterate and unable to do basic math.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:51 | 2900995 Harlequin001
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 I am surrounded by children with no personality, zero possibility of ever doing anything 'outside of any box' and who's sole focus in life is 10 straight 'A's in school work.

Good luck to them, I'm sure one day they'll develop a sense of humour, if they don't bore the pants off everybody first. There should be more to life than just school work, there has to be. I'm trying to drum into my children that there are two kinds of people in this life, those with capital and those without, and that there are far too many that have just spent all their capital, all their parents capital and all the capital they'll ever have on a grossly overpriced education for which there is 'NO DECENT PAYING JOB" at the end of the tunnel. Not everybody wants or needs to be a scientist.

There are other ways of getting educated that don't involve total immersion in school books every evening, and a part of which involves learning other skills in the process.

I can assure, where I live if I so much as pick up a power screwdriver in public they think I'm a fucking genius. Every last one of them brought up dreaming of an office job. Good luck with that.

You're a long time dead, so enjoy it before you're too old to...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:02 | 2901031 gmrpeabody
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If kids today are so overworked..., why do they seem so completely stupid by comparison to when I left high school? The vast majority can't think their way out of a wet paper bag. I don't remember spending more than 30-45 minutes a day on homework, but I was taking college level trig classes as a sophomore in high school. Still..., I've noticed that teachers are so busy checking the kids homework that they don't have the time to teach. I've also noticed that most of the teachers these days aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer either.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:17 | 2901070 MilleniumJane
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My middle schooler has a "share" class.  Every day.  The kids sit around in a circle sharing.  It's 45 minutes of time wasted in my opinion.  Plus all the other waste of time stuff.  Plus all the days off the teachers have to have.  It all adds up and the kids really get nothing out of it.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:49 | 2901183 economics9698
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The reason kids are so stupid today, despite all the bull shit homework, is they learn shit.  Propaganda.  Useless shit about diversity and government is our god.  The only thing diversity guarantees is a civil war or the break up of nations.  They come out of high school writing like shit and saying crap like the Federal Reserve is responsible for setting prices so the people do not get taken advantage of.

I know because I read these shit papers everyday in college.  These kids are completely indoctrinated with bullshit and are completely unemployable in the capitalist part of the economy.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:14 | 2901287 Totentänzerlied
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The economy needs peons. They are most certainly not unemployable, just not in the positions which command any respect or have any authority. The retail and service sectors do not need physicists and mathematicians and electrical engineers, they need interchangeable low-skill laborers. And it serves the status quo to produce produce such persons with no individuality, no curiosity, and no wealth.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 15:32 | 2902246 gmrpeabody
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Plus, and perhaps more importantly, they have a tendency to vote one way!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 18:30 | 2902758 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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Peons = Hosts of harvestable replacement organs for wealthy people

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:19 | 2901074 Harlequin001
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I don't think there's any possible way that I could answer that question...

What I can say is that when I left school, the Commodore 64 was cutting edge, and there's giving something away. Fact is that I wasn't brought up with computers, I was brought up with cricket bats, rope swings and generally learning the social skills that you just don't get staring at a computer screen.

Oh and by the way, I've banned visitors who bring children with a Gameboy hanging round their necks, just to keep them quiet. It offends me that what seems so normnal to some people can be so ignorant and rude...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:28 | 2901095 gmrpeabody
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We didn't have computers..., we didn't have calculators. We did it the old fashion way. And we spent our time outside till our parents yelled for us. Some whistled. Some actually had to come looking, and when that happened, you usually were in trouble (except they usually didn't have to yell more than once for dinner). It was a better time than today.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:42 | 2901160 Harlequin001
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Yes, and if I wasn't home WHEN the street lights came on the police would be out looking for me. That only happened once. I made damned sure it didn't happen twice...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:30 | 2901355 ElvisDog
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I don't know. We didn't have computers, but I did spend a lot of time watching TV when I was a kid. I'm not sure kids these days spend more time looking at a screen, just a different screen. One thing I do know for sure is that kids these days read books a lot less then when I was young.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:25 | 2901086 Acet
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I get the impression that most people in this thread are thinking about the American School System and overlaying it with this measure, which the makes it sound silly.

In reality, the American School System is crap when compared with the school systems in most of Europe and has been for many decades (I remember when the dumb kid from my high-school went one year to the US in a student exchange program and came back having gotten the highest grade in almost all subjects from a US high-school, even when in Portugal he was barelly above the pass mark).

 

That said, in this side of the pond we've been trying to catch up on that crapiness for the last decade or so.

I hope these measures are just bringing the schooling style it back to the old days when education was actually very good and kids were challenged, before the whole "Educational revolution" that introduced the "everybody is a unique flower and is good at something" shit, the "never give criticism, only compliment" style of teaching, the "if kids can't make the grade, lower the barrier" and in general all sorts of measures that have created a generation of young adults who are spineless, immature, unable to control their own impulses and were effectivelly trained to be overworked drones, impulsive consumers and/or welfare dependents.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:48 | 2901184 Harlequin001
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I'm just wondering how you managed to get that so spot on with so few words...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:47 | 2901178 A Nanny Moose
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All that "work" is designed to teach people to read Big Mac assemly instructions, paper piushing, and obedience to The State.

I recall my High School economics teacher, showing us how to fill in tax forms....in private school.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:50 | 2901192 Harlequin001
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I recall doing my homework on the bus to school every morning...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:33 | 2901366 ElvisDog
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See, I wish public schools would teach more money-management/economics type stuff. Things like compound interest, how the Federal Reserve works, what happens when our Government deficit-spends. Stuff like that would at least be useful life-skills and maybe prepare them to make informed decisions when they become voters.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 01:07 | 2903493 All Risk No Reward
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The Ultimate History Lesson explains how the education system works to create corporate drones instead of independent and creative thinkers.  The latter is a threat to the current establishment - so they don't want it.

The Ultimate History Lesson:

https://www.tragedyandhope.com/th-films/the-ultimate-history-lesson/

Some highlights from the Ultimate History Lesson:

What flea training teaches us about education:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30fxRwkBbHc&t=5m19s

Also enlightening is John's experience in 3rd grade at Jesuit school (they'll never teach this in public school curriculum!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xgYQM5S7as&t=21m56s

With Commentary and Analysis:

https://www.tragedyandhope.com/th-films/the-ultimate-history-lesson/comm...

In short, they give kids busy work PRECISELY because it doesn't allow them to think critically or creatively.  They are simply taught to learn what to think instead of how to think.

Parents, you have to learn the system and you have to teach your kids critical thinking and the Trivium so they can learn what requirements exist in order to know something (and it isn't because a teacher, a politician or a newscaster said so).

Trivium Education

http://www.triviumeducation.com/

The Trivium Binder Project

http://triviumbinder.blogspot.com/

They also have to know th elogical fallacies that can easily deceive them if they aren't aware of them:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

Tragedy and Hope is a must read history textbook for adults and early teen children:

http://archive.org/details/TragedyAndHope

I'd also recommend cluing them in on how the fraudulent debt based monetary system systematically assets strips society to the benefit of the criminals who orchestrated the monetary fraud:

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:14 | 2901062 aerojet
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I really don't understand what you're saying.  People can be smart and still have practical know-how.  I have a PhD and I still fix my own cars--and not just the easy stuff, and no, it's not just a hobby.  The blue vs. white collar dichotomy was just another divisise strategy used against us, don't believe it.  Witness the resurgence amongst educated people with regard to interest in woodworking, welding, machining, and electronics. 

Also, I'm confused what you meant by "I am surrounded by children with no personality."  Are you speaking of your own kids or who are these children?  Have you taken any time to get to know them? 

You should teach your kids that capital comes in many forms, not just currency. There is far more real value in intellectual capital and in having a life in which you cultivate your own interests and pursuits with some passion.  Having money doesn't mean much compared to having a reason to get out of bed every morning. Mere acquisition of physical assets is mostly a waste because every so often, the oligarchs strip you of that easily-removed "wealth" anyhow.  And if you're saying "become an oligarch" I fail to see how that's a good idea.

Our culture truly needs an overhaul.

 

 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:32 | 2901114 gmrpeabody
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Let me guess..., you have a PhD in psychology (feelings)? And, you can change your own oil. <sarc>

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:37 | 2901144 Harlequin001
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Actually I couldn't agree with you more.

As I've said many times, you can't spend time with your two year old when he's twenty, because he ain't a two year old anymore, and time spent with my children whilst they're still little is priceless. For what it's worth it offends me that teachers can't seem to do in normal office hours what the rest of the world seems to do on a daily basis, and that they need to impinge on my very valuable time with my children to do so.

If you think study and more continual study is a good thing then good for you. Personally I think there are other things in life that matter.

I was sat in the dentist chair a few months ago and as he drilled into my back teeth I thought to myself, ‘There has to be a worse job than this…” But I’ll be damned if I can think what it is.

You go to a dingy little room every working day, you stare at the same thing in various states of decay day in and day out whilst all the time bathed in a glow of artificial light and you can’t even have a decent converstaion with your customers. And they study for years to do this.

 

I mean, what gives? I could be a doctor but what makes you think I want to spend all that time at study just so I can sit in a dingy room I call a surgery and listen to an endless stream of sick people tell me how bad they feel? No wonder the suicide rate is so high. Thanks but no thanks, there are some things and some ways I do want to push my kids and there  are some I distinctly do not, and they do not all involve endless hours of school work.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:37 | 2901377 ElvisDog
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Your dentist/doctor (a) make a good income that lets them support their families and probably have an upper-middle class/wealthy lifestyle and (b) probably feel that their making a difference in people's lives.

One of the truly fucked-up things about U.S. society is the widespread idea that everyone deserves a "meaningful" and/or "fun" job, when for most of humanity throughout most of history a job is a way to pay bills, buy food, and support your family.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 22:52 | 2903317 Hulk
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Both you and Jane would greatly enjoy reading summerhill by asneill.

Summerhill was an experiment conducted on kids in England, where they were allowed to play and folow their

own exploratory tendancies. They were then prepared for college in what would be the high school years

It was a success, if one measures success by happiness..

HULK NOW SMASH...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:05 | 2901041 aerojet
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Fucking off playing video games and riding your bike around the neighborhood does not count as quality time, it's just fucking off.  And although we all need downtime, that time should come when the work is finished and not until. Do you really believe the way forward for the human race is to encourage people to study less? What vapid nonsense!  Anyone who cares about their children is going to encourage them to do their homework, regardless of what the government proclaims.  I can't even imagine what must be going on in France for such utter minutiae to take hold at the highest levels of government.  Oh, sorry, I probably shouldn't use such big words...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:09 | 2901053 Harlequin001
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Who said anything about video games?

Go read a book, I'm sure it will do you the world of good. I believe the way forward for the human race is to study more, in fact to do nothing more than study, just like you.

Now, if you wouldn't mind fucking off, you're boring me already.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:16 | 2901067 aerojet
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I guess you only come to ZH to have your preconceived notions validated by the like-minded.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:25 | 2901091 Harlequin001
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It was you who decided I was 'fucking off and playing video games.' I have no preconcieved notions at all, other than the one that pisses me off that my children are so overloaded with homework that I don't have the time anymore to head off onto the field and kick a football around, or even have a good old discussion about what they did today, what they achieved and what they wanted to achieve tomorrow...

No one is saying that you shouldn't study, only that there is a time and a place for everything, and I value my childhood just as much as my education, and I don't see how I could do without either of them...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:28 | 2901105 Acet
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Actually psychological studies show that one needs downtime from learning something in order from the brain to absorve the knowledge.

Overwork is in fact very counter-productive, both at school and in the workplace.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:41 | 2901159 gmrpeabody
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OMG..., I was right!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:40 | 2901389 ElvisDog
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One thing I can't get over (although it's true with socialists generally) is that the President of France seems to think it's a good use of his time to specify homework policy for the public schools.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:38 | 2901385 Panafrican Funk...
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Booker T. Washington High in Memphis went from a grad rate of 55% in 2007 to 81% in 2010 by doing pretty much exactly what is proposed here, dropping homework entirely and lengthening the school day, so that the homework gets done at school, with the teachers right there to answer questions.  If it works in Memphis, it for sure will work everywhere else.  Less latchkey issues to deal with as well.  Given the reality that, in most cases, both parents have to work to maintain the "middle class lifestyle", this is simply a better solution.  

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:21 | 2900736 EatYourCornTake...
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All men are created equal and entitled to some inalienable rights! Life, Liberty, Education, Medical Care, The Pursuit of Happiness, A House, A Car, An Obamaphone. Have I left anything out?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:43 | 2900809 Mad Mohel
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Does "the Pursuit of Happiness" cover free hookers and booze?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:08 | 2900892 TBT or not TBT
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That is now the TMed motto of the US Secret Service, asterixed "*free hookers and booze"

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:13 | 2900896 TruthInSunshine
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It's "hookers & BLOW" You can't expense alcohol anymore, but coke can still be put in the "miscellaneous" column. Plus, there's a double entendre there.

Sheeesh. You guys.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:10 | 2900898 TBT or not TBT
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After all they are looking after the integrity of the nation's currency.   Would be surprising if they didn't had a free supply of it.   

 

This is better than helicoptering the stuff BTW, because here, people are employed, goods and services are directly consumed, boosting aggregate demand in round 1.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:43 | 2900811 Real Estate Geek
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You sure did:  all that stuff gotta be free or it ain't fo' me!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:03 | 2900877 TBT or not TBT
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They need to be satisfied regularly.    If you are a dude or know one well, you would not have missed this one.    It drives a lot of what goes on, according to some theories of humanity.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:44 | 2900985 Helvetico
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How about the right to suck at the corporate welfare tit, but beat my chest about what a great bidnessman I am? http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mitt-romney-expensive-olympics-federal-funding

 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:04 | 2900881 Whiner
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MDB, you are a Truth Teller. They didn't build that! Somebody else did.. Turn it over by direct transfers to our accounts. Oh! Forget that! We gotsda let Obammy get his cut before he goes back to ward healing in S. Side of Chicago

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:11 | 2900897 HurricaneSeason
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You could make 12hr school days in Detroit and Cleveland and I don't think it would make any difference. As if homework is a big factor anyway.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:01 | 2900870 TBT or not TBT
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It may be impossible to "fix" stupid, but it is possible to starve it, and that, can solve it.   For example, not paying anyone who works at the Dept of Education, ever again, seems like a good way to get rid of it, without even attempting to fix the stupid.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 18:27 | 2902749 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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It's possible ... you may just need *A LOT* of bullets. ;)

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:43 | 2900810 Al Gorerhythm
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the dumbest of dumbfucks is now running France. Equal outcomes. We all get to own a corner store.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:31 | 2901117 A Nanny Moose
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Not in the cards. Not after being educated by The State, to believe The State is the answer to all the problems it creates.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:07 | 2900678 GetZeeGold
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Someone needs to show that cat which direction is forward.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:07 | 2900667 gojam
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Crazy !

They're scewed, je ne sais coitus ?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:21 | 2900922 Big Corked Boots
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libertee

egalitee

fraternitee

povertee

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:07 | 2900674 machineh
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Socialists see homework as child labor.

Thirty hours work for forty hours pay, or we strike!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:08 | 2900682 surf0766
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Socialist/marxist P.O.S

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:46 | 2900816 YuShun
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Diana Moon Glampers may have influenced him. 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:34 | 2900956 StandardDeviant
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Oh, beat me to it; well done!  Bonus points for the Harrison Bergeron reference.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:09 | 2900687 dwdollar
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Now parents will have even less understanding what propaganda their children are being fed.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:09 | 2900688 Shevva
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So his main argument is that wealthy parents have time to help the kids but the ones signing on with no work don't? Village idiot comes to mind.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:26 | 2900766 youngman
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I remember the Vietnamese the came to this country after the war....the parents had nothing...but they made sure their kids got an education...the family i knew both girls where validictorians....one became a doctor...the other a scientist....very smart.....the dad still cuts grass and the wife sews....

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:10 | 2900691 Sixdeuce062
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america wont be behind for long

silly french

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:45 | 2900815 Al Gorerhythm
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youre tongue firmly in cheek responce I suppose

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:10 | 2900692 gojam
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Are they going to lower the voting age to 13 because banning homework should get him the childrens vote.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:47 | 2900990 owensdrillin
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Yeah and what are the dogs going to eat now?

PETA? SPCA? ACLU? Get on this one real quick. The dogs are dropping in France like flies on lilypads.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:11 | 2900693 timbo_em
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I'll do the math for Mr Hollande: Your French Banque PSA needs 6B Euros asap, nationalize it just like you did with CIF.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:11 | 2900696 LawsofPhysics
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Just like the Americans, the French need not worry, the Chinese will do it for you.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:57 | 2900860 caconhma
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Not for long.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:10 | 2900894 LawsofPhysics
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Not very familiar with satire are you?  The are good and bad apples in every country.  Wake the fuck up and simply realize that that which cannot be sustained, won't be.  Now go do something productive.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:15 | 2900906 TBT or not TBT
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The distribution in France is lopsided over to the bad side of the apple scale.      The dream of students over there is just about universally to land a government permajob.  Nuff said I think.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:12 | 2900697 Mercury
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In other words, kids will spend more time with the government.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:17 | 2900720 nmewn
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What could possibly go wrong?

(begin martial music loop)

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:51 | 2900737 Mercury
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On the other hand, it is still the case that the American public school system is more focused on socialism and equal outcomes compared with the French system which is more about survival of the academically fittest.

Despite the headlines we may be missing the forest for the trees here. The French actually believe in inequality of innate aptitude and Americans don’t – and that is why American kids score so poorly by comparison.  At some point it should be obvious that some kids simply aren’t cut out for things like higher abstract reasoning and would be better off in trade school.  The French take their trades seriously, Americans got rid of shop class decades ago and now, in a crappy economy there are many high-skill trade jobs going unfilled because there is no one to fill them.

The French school is system is pretty serious about kids meeting standards and separating the higher performing onto different tracks at pretty young age based on test results.  In the US we refuse to let go of the fiction that all kids are born with equal abilities and potential in all areas...so the bar gets lowered to the lowest common denominator.

So, the French are focused more on equal opportunity and the Americans are focused on equal outcomes (to the detriment of both kids with higher and lower academic aptitude).  Where would you rather send your kids to school?

If this new (proposed) policy is actually focused on equalizing opportunities for kids to prepare as best they can for pass/fail exams which determine whether or not they make it to the next level then that should be a net positive…as long as it isn’t illegal for kids to do extra work on their own at home.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:53 | 2900841 Real Estate Geek
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"Only racists accept the concept that innate aptitude isn't equally distributed in all groups," seems to be the party line nowadays.  Until we as a society ignore people espousing that garbage, we will continue to generate an excess of "graduates" ill-suited for demanding jobs, whether they be on the factory floors or in the corner offices.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:05 | 2900873 Mercury
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Well the important premise is that the various components of raw intelligence (oddly enough, like everything else) aren't distributed equally among all individuals. 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:19 | 2900918 TBT or not TBT
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Larry Summers go lynched at Harvard (Motto=Veritas!) for pointing out that the distributions of math and geometrical reasoning aptitude of female humans and male humans are different enough to account for some amount of lopsidedness in the recruitment results in the area of high end professors and researchers in math and physics.    The tails are much fatter in the male distribution, and those high end folks are in the tails, so there you go and uh....Lynch Lynch Lynch

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:17 | 2900912 nmewn
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"In the US we refuse to let go of the fiction that all kids are born with equal abilities and potential in all areas...so the bar gets lowered to the lowest common denominator."

There is a lot of truth in that. 

I wouldn't know if French schools focus on equal opportunity as opposed to equal outcomes or not as I haven't studied their system...but I do agree with the concept.

Its about opportunities not outcomes.

Everyone gets opportunity but you have to take advantage of them when & if you can. You can't continue to fail at something and say you didn't get enough opportunities. You did, its just that you suck at it...move on to something else perhaps you'll be successful there. Not everyone can be a Tesla, da Vinci or Einstein.

And I remember shop class. Its just that, what happens to the guy who wears his tie all day cuz it looks cool after class pictures and gets it caught in the band saw pulling his face towards it? I'm serious...it happened to a guy...lol...I guess there's always an opportunity to be a janitor.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:26 | 2901080 Mercury
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It's really all about the end of secondary school exams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baccalaur%C3%A9at

 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:52 | 2901001 emersonreturn
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mercury, there is much truth in your comments.  i agree some are more suited to trades, and we would do well to begin to value craftsmanship.  as well some are more inclined to the creative arts or to sports, both professions/trades which can bring a great deal of profit and benefit to the individual and the community.  it may serve us to become more attuned to the values of individual gifts and encourage that rather than like an outdated manager seeking to hire and train prototypes for a model abandoned even by Hewlitt Packard and Rim.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:12 | 2900698 Poetic injustice
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31 is more than 22, so America must be winning!

Signed, Major in Women Rights in 18th century in Spain.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:14 | 2900699 Doubleguns
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Stupid sheeple are easier to manipulate.

 

Instead of strengthening the weak we weaken the stong.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:18 | 2900722 darteaus
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Only the ignorant and envious can be demogogued into rebellion, a necessary step for seizing absolute power - Socialists's true goal.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:31 | 2900953 StandardDeviant
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Agree 100%, but junked your oh-so-enlightened arse for the smug, idiotic "sheeple".

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:12 | 2900703 zilverreiger
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not a bad idea to let them do the basic homework at school

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:48 | 2900981 Frozen IcQb
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I'm no fan of Hollande and his "growth platform" lies but I actually agree with this proposal.

As a parent, we spend hours with our children solidifying (and actually teaching) what should have been taught in class. Moreover, the school day is much too short which is part of the problem.

On that note, I would also shorten the summer break considerably, preferring strategically placed off-times during the year.

 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 19:19 | 2902877 Frozen IcQb
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Apparently, a few teachers didn’t agree.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:12 | 2900705 Frastric
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bannin homwurk will just mak kids mor un-clevra as wich wons yuse pryvit eduekayshu so in-equallatee will wursen

me thunks Prezeedent Hollande is a dum wanka

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:16 | 2900716 disabledvet
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the people that gave the world the Credit Default Swap lags in math? hahahahaha. that's a good one! sure, France has 90% of its electricity generated from nuclear power. but from whence a State that can afford such a boondoggle? only if you have the world's reserve currency. and how many nuclear power plants exist in the USA you ask? http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/nuclear_statistics/usnuclearpowerpl...
that's a lot folks. "with room to spare" should Secretary Chu just give the order. The electrical GRID might need some significant upgrades http://www.preformed.com/ but the actually generation side is simply not an issue for...well, if you believe that Bill Gates is a smart guy..."a millenia." (also known as a thousand years.) with the build out of the natural gas energy infrastructure still going full bore the only question that needs answering is "why the gasoline powered engine?" should that Chevy Volt be the real deal simply put Zee Americans simply won't need to worry about the cost of oil anymore...and indeed given the enormity of the oil to be gotten from the shale deposits will WISH for that price to only move higher.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:14 | 2900904 LawsofPhysics
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right, because oil and gas aren't  cracked for a million other commercial uses and commodity chemicals < sacr off >

It's a bit more complicated than simply driving cars.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:18 | 2900726 Too Big 2
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Obama must be dumbstruck for not thinking of this first but he "will have more flexibility after the elections"......

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:18 | 2900728 pashley1411
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Government are dropping the foreplay and getting down to what counts; making people stupid and submissive to the latest whim of their rulers.   If your a pointy-head, all that redin' and writen' just makes for annoying voters and protest leaders.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:19 | 2900731 darteaus
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Voulez-vous stupide avec moi; ce soir?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:19 | 2900732 Mitch Comestein
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9 1/2 days a week?  If he is a product of France's public school system, that is not a shining endorcement.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:19 | 2900734 holdbuysell
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Dolores Umbridge would have been proud.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:52 | 2900839 darteaus
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"I must not tell lies."

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:22 | 2900740 youngman
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I would have voted for him when I was 7 years old

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:22 | 2900743 Mitch Comestein
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Next step: Proclaiming that eye glasses favor the wealthy.  No more eye glasses.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:25 | 2900759 falak pema
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the emphasis should be on work; how the student shares his time between home; where Internet and mobile smart-p SMSs are his main concern; and mom and dad are like distant phantoms of another world, far from his "speeded reality"; and classroom, where there are fewer distractions; is a question of adapting teaching methods and time allocation to the way our society changes. 

One should have a more distanced view of educational challenges today than this "political" knee jerk against "socialist" method.

I-world has polluted the home world with "useless" time consuming toys, the company that dominates the stock market also forges the mindest of the new generation...

There has to be some readjust to social reality. The classroom has to become a place of learning; not of boring pedanticism, or of futile video "gaming". 

We have many rivers to cross; buts whats new....its the price to pay to live in a world that changes at such a fast pace! 

The question remains, as from the perspective of those who still go to the classroom : where is the world heading?

Maybe the uber-capitalists should try and address that issue, other than saying 'I love making a killing on the way the EUR/USD currency moves! 

We spread the financial disease and wonder why our children have "pissed off" mind sets.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:25 | 2900765 hivekiller
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Socialism has always been about reducing the 99 percent to the level of insects in a hive. Then they will be equal. Only the "queens and their consorts" will have any freedom in this utopian paradise.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:27 | 2900770 wcvarones
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:27 | 2900771 otto skorzeny
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yeah-but do french teachers basically "teach in classroom" about 100 days a year like lazy US union teachers? not counting all the BS days that American teachers get off for stupid stuff like MLK and Pulaski day and in-service days.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:31 | 2900774 yogibear
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Hugo Chavez is looking for a strong ally in Europe. France has just thrown out some invitations. 

Flashbacks in history of Mao and his stupid remarks.

Obama has used Europe as a model for his hope and change. Hugo already said Obama is more left then him.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 13:05 | 2901538 Ghordius
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"Obama has used Europe as a model for his hope and change". This is simply not true. Another myth of the Great American Culture Wars.

btw, is it me or is education another item of this War? The French, for all their faults, don't have this kind of fights about their education system...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:34 | 2900776 crowd
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It should not only be banned, it should be made outright illegal. Also documentaries should be outlawed. It is also worth investigating the very interesting idea to break the legs of all children not currently in wheelchairs, in order to provide equal opportunities for everybody. This make perfect sense as handicapped children can not do much about it so inequality exists. And all books should be burned.

And nuke the shools.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:31 | 2900779 dolph9
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We can laugh all we want at France.  But what about Amerika?  Where cheating is the norm and teachers and administrators would rather push the failing kids through to make their numbers look good?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:48 | 2900826 Non Passaran
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Okay, you may have a point here, but that may be explained by the kids' constitutional right to bear arms.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:16 | 2900909 hivekiller
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It's been in effect in America since the 1960s where for years the standards were lower for some racial groups (ie blacks and hispanics) than others which had the effect of dumbing everyone down. Now they are actually passing racially based academic standards in schools which just acknowledges the fact that some groups, on average, are dumber than others.

 

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/10/12/florida-passes-plan-for-racially-ba...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:36 | 2900963 StandardDeviant
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Good Lord.  I thought you were exaggerating; but that story is just sad and wrong on so many levels...

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:53 | 2901202 forwardho
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So, Florida is recognizing that race determines intelect?  Outrageous!

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:35 | 2900780 AurorusBorealus
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The purpose of the French education system was to mold "peasants into Frenchman" (see the book by this same title): to take the various patois and regional affiliations of ancien regime France and create a unified nation-state, by codifying the French language and creating a uniform set of customs and beliefs, in other words, to create a nation-state.  This system was then the model for public schooling in Germany (via the Prussian reform movement and later the United States, imported from Germany).  The question is: what is the purpose of this education system in a world where nation-states are to subordinate their interests and their people to multinational governments seeking global socialism and the desires of multinational corporations seeking global fascism?

In the United States, the response has been ad hoc, and produced mostly by feminists to ensure that girls perform better in school than boys (who are drugged into submission and dismissed to the back rows of the classroom).   At least the French are not following the American model.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:33 | 2900784 Payne
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Show me any country with a population of 300 million or more that has a decent education system !!!    

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:39 | 2900798 Poetic injustice
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Some Chinese (and couple of Indian) universities are great. I remember article on entrance exam for highschool, engineer specialty.

UK was: this triangle has two known and one unknown side. Calculate length on missing part.
China one was much more serious.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:35 | 2900787 Bastiat009
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Just a quick reminder for the ill-informed. Homework has been banned for decades in France but the rule has never been respected, like almost every other rule in France.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:44 | 2900812 Winston Churchill
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Liberte, Egalite, Stupidite.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:49 | 2900829 Spastica Rex
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it is perhaps noteworthy that the US still lags France in Math (US 31st in the world vs France 22nd)

Controlled for SES? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:52 | 2900837 vincent van goo
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I saw the headline and assumed it was from the Onion.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:01 | 2900867 Real Estate Geek
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It wasn't, but this one is:

Yee-Haw! My Vote Cancels Out Y'all's!

Well, damn, man, it's pretty soon gonna be president election time again, and that means we gotta start thinkin' about who's gonna be the one we want to be president. That's some important stuff, who's president, because whoever's president will be in charge of the whole dang shootin' match. And, if y'all are like me, you know America's president needs to be the kind of old boy who, in the first place, kicks him some damn ass, and in the second place, don't listen to all that bitchin' about how he shouldn't be kickin' so much ass. And, if you ain't like me, guess what? My vote cancels out y'all's!

Now, you probably waste a whole lotta good-fishin' Saturdays readin' yourself the papers, watchin' all the talk on the TV, and sittin' around thinkin' real hard about which way you gonna vote. Well, it's a real shame, then, ain't it, that all that time you spend in real careful considerin' don't count for nothin', once my vote runs y'all's right off the road . . .

(To keep reading:  http://www.theonion.com/articles/yeehaw-my-vote-cancels-out-yalls,11030/ )

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:55 | 2900848 beatus12
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French children are regularly in school until 5 or 6pm.

I agree with this and think kids should just relax

after many hours in the classroom 5 days/week.

Side note, "Unschooling" is a hugh new trend.

 

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:57 | 2901012 TheCanadianAustrian
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I was unschooled growing up. Most of my childhood was spent playing around on the computer, trolling message boards on the internet, and basically doing whatever the fuck I wanted. My parents never sat me down at a table and tought me anything. Nobody did. I never went to church. I probably had less than 20 hours of actual "teaching" done to me in my entire childhood. I never got a high school diploma. I was completely isolated from the government educational system in every conceivable way.

I was accepted into college because their entry exam pegged my reading, writing, and math skills in the 99th percentile.

And if you think I was some kind of bookworm growing up, you couldn't be more wrong. Video games were my life. Dicking around with music synthesizers was my life. Believe it or not, these things actually involve a lot of reading and math. When you're left to sink or swim in order to pursue your own hobbies, it's like you don't even realize you're learning.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:56 | 2900853 juwes
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Education is daytime foster care. I agree that homework is dumb.

Teach children based on their interests in schools of different specialities. Let parents and kids choose the specialty school that fits them best.

Standardizing education to make everyone know the same thing is stupid.

But homework is also stupid. Assignments and experiments are in school. If a school assignment is meant to be done outside of school hours, it is encroaching on the off hours of the student.

A lot of students don't have interest in the education they are being given, they should have other options with which to be educated or taught a trade or skill they wish to learn.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:56 | 2900855 I am a Man I am...
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Learning and understanding the material is the goal.  Whether they send assignments home or not is pretty meaningless.  

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:12 | 2900893 sgmsg
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Ban homework?

Good stuff!!!

 

Student are the most exploited in our society. Very strange that Zerohedge are opposite with the idea.

 

If you care well children, love at home, unique child, attentive teacher at school, low ratio student/teacher, then children don't need to do homework.

They are sponge able to retain very fast when all their psychological needs are feed.

Treat fairly children, they gonna change the world in less than a generation.

 

Is Tyler scared of the children loved ?

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:54 | 2901011 Inthemix96
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sgmsg,

Now fair play, it is 15.55 where I am, and I have had a few pints.  Forgive me here but what the fuck have you just wrote?  It is ellegible mate.

Do it again to see if you had a point??

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:22 | 2900924 Lloyd_Xmas
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My forearms would be a lot bigger if I wasn't doing all that homework.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:22 | 2900927 HurricaneSeason
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If we did that here, it would be devastating. Not because of graduating stupid, because we already have that. It would be devastating due to daycare costs. The daycare institutuions would start to lobby congress until each daycare worker was making $100K a year plus unlimited retirement after 20 years.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:40 | 2900972 rustymason
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"Work should be done at school, rather than at home."

I agree, so long as the teacher knows what he's doing, is well-organized, and the students are well-behaved. Homeschoolers do most or all of their studying and homework by dinner time, the elementary school age children finishing by 3:30 or sooner. Juniors and seniors bound for university probably need a little more time, though.

Most parents (90% or more) don't care about their kids enough to even investigate what their children are learning, what's in their books, who their teachers are and what they believe, etc. American parents are the biggest, laziest slobs when it comes to the formation of their children's minds. They complain long and loud about the public school system yet they do exactly zero about it and send their children there anyway. Don't let all the braying fool you. They simply don't know and don't care. Totally irresponsible dumbasses.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:10 | 2901056 Inthemix96
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And after your eyes are opened up.

Here is another reason that the facist governments all over the world should have no contact with our children.  We should be collectively ashamed we send our kids in for indocturation courses to lower the lowest common demoniator to shit.

And here is an old quote an old man told me when I was a kid:-

"Those that can, do.  Those that cant, teach".  Wise fucking words from some thirty years ago.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:54 | 2901478 covert
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good report, but, the oecd is not to be trusted.
the french are crazy.
http://covert.ias3.com/expose/

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:47 | 2901436 gnomon
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Homework of whatever caliber enforces discipline, time management, and the attainment of a critical mass of memorized facts.  If one has not attained a "critical mass" of facts and learned analysis, no computer in the world can help you.

Drudgery and self-imposed pain are necessary for becoming an adult.  

Socialism is a scheme to skim the proceeds of a failing enterprise while cementing control of the masses, the very masses that they have created.  And the elites skip town when it all falls down.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 13:26 | 2901665 loveyajimbo
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Yes, the economy needs peons, but only working peons... the problem is, they are allowed to vote...  A large percentage of the peon class receive benefits from the Gov... like welfare, food stamps, education, healthcare.  All receiving benefits should lose the vote, and be required to reside in labor camps, which would have their labor contracted out to pay for their support... prisons should be the same, only the contracting could be for toxic waste cleanup, or other hazardous grunt work... illegals arrested should serve 1 year first offense, 5 years second, life third.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 13:53 | 2901834 QuietCorday
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Homework has increased because it is now very difficult to cover a syllabus properly in lesson time. Too many politicised issues legislated into the syllabus, problems with classroom behaviour, the administration etc: it all eats at lesson time, so the real schoolwork gets pushed over into homework, which ends up being the time for reinforcing the day's lesson through practical application.

That said, it is very difficult to learn a subject properly in a few hours a week. Take a foreign language: you need to be constantly reinforcing and manipulating that learning in order to fully absorb the rules, the grammar, to remember the verbs etc. Two hours a week for 45 weeks a year for five years won't really cut it, especially if you have a large class.

Fundamentally, modern schools are trying to teach too much too late. The basic three Rs, including what used to be called "nature" and "countries", should be nailed at primary level (pre-11), which would then leave secondary for a wider curriculum (languages, advanced maths and linguistics, history, advanced geography, science, and advanced art) for teens. Yet, what is happening in a lot of the west is that primaries are failing and teachers find they have children that cannot read at 11, and subjects that used to be covered in "after-school clubs" have now become full examined syllabus subjects that must be taught in main school time (drama, dance, music, IT etc).

Hollande's silly suggestion won't do anything for "equality". Children from wealthier homes will still have more educational input and experiences -- unless he is going to ban parents from taking their children on holiday, to the zoo, to museums, or ban them from reading books at home.       

 

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 21:29 | 2907182 dolly madison
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I am for having no homework during elementary school.  In fact, I am so for it that I started homeschooling my kids to acheive it.  I had no homework in elementary school, and so little in the older grades that I could always get it done during school hours, and I went on to get an engineering degree, so I see no reason to overwork kids.  I wanted my kids to have the carefree youth I had.  In this day and age of overworking and overscheduling our kids, I am in the minority. 

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 16:16 | 2908196 radsz
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Hi all,

I agree with Harlequin001.

I hold a PhD. I have been studying hard my whole life, I am still learning. Everyday. I am a scientist. I value the knowledge. I enjoy my life because I can choose what I learn.

I worry that school system will deprive my kids of their free time to learn what they desire to learn. I worry that they will not have enough free time to learn with my help enterpreneurship, critical thinking, reasoning, problem solving, team work, taking decisions, etc.

I would ban *obligatory* homeworks from school. Teachers can always give voluntary homeworks and the parent who wants to follow can follow it. I am a parent that is worried about my kids getting the right education. I want them to do the homework I choose for them, homework I find important. 

My kids go to public school. Luckily they have good teachers. However, any parent should understand that school alone is NOT THE recipy for children success in real life. Your parenting on the other hand is THE recipy for their success. If anybody thinks that homeworks are gonna fix young generation problems then you are sadly mistaken. Kids are parents responsibility, not the government, not the school. The school may help but they should not fill up all the kids time with what they think is important. As a parent, I prefer school that does not takes away freedom of what my kids are doing outside school.

To all people bashing Harlequin001. Government is not a solution, it is a problem. Education system is one part of the government that is a problem if it infringes on my kids free time to explore and learn the world with my help. The amount of knowledge school system expect young generation to acquire borders on insanity. Yet, they are lacking in aspects I value most.

all the best,

Radek

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