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Spain Proposes Law Prohibiting Recording And Capturing Of Local Cops In Action
If a recently proposed law by the director general of Spanish police, Ignacio Cosidó, is actually enacted, it is likely that live (or replayed) webcasts, photos and any electronic recordings such as those seen recently from the Madrid anti-sovereignty riots may be a thing of the past. But not because they no longer exist: simply because very soon it may be illegal to actually record said events. El Pais reports that "authorities are studying the possibility that the next update to the Public Security Law could include an article prohibiting the recording, processing or circulation on the internet of police officers performing their duties, if doing so would endanger them or the operation in which they were engaged." These are the same riot cops who typically wear gas masks, and full riot attire and shields precisely to preserve their identity. But facts matter little when the liquidity tide is going out and all the Ponzi schemes are exposed to have been swimming naked. For now, Spain will be happy to little by little strip its citizens first of their rights to free expression, then all other rights, as it slowly but surely sells the country into Troika slavery.
From El Pais:
The police chief said the reform to the Public Security Law, which is being studied by the Interior Ministry, would seek to “strike a balance between the protection of the rights of citizens and those of members of the security forces. Only in recognition of the immense labor of the security forces are we able to progress toward achieving a more just, safer and peaceful society.”
The reform to the law could also include a penalty for taking part in a protest with a covered face.
Cosidó was speaking at a meeting with the Independent Labor Union of Public Workers (CSI-F), the Spanish Confederation of Police (CEP) and the European Confederation of Independent Labor Unions (CESI), which was convened to analyze the effects of the economic crisis on the operation of security forces. The measure, Cosidó said, is designed to protect the privacy of officers and their families and guarantee their rights of honor and image. The government, he said, will be able to “take a step forward” in providing the police with more safety to go about their work, “with strict compliance with the rule of law.”
During recent protests in Madrid, the actions of police were placed under the spotlight after videos were posted on the internet showing riot officers storming into the Atocha railway station firing smoke pellets and beating bystanders with their batons.
The director general also took the opportunity to express his support for the draft of a reform to the Penal Code that, he said, “sets out the basis for the prevention and prosecution of conduct that prevents a serious threat to public order.” Among the proposed changes to the law is the definition of a violent attack, which will include any aggression or threats of violence against security forces and ambulance and fire crews.
Guaranteeing their "rights of honor and image" will likely be better served if the same officers know that their every action will be always captured and scrutinized, and for the entire world to see, instead of take place in a dark, quiet corner without surveillance. But surely no authority enforcer has ever been known to take advantage of dark rooms when left alone with individuals who traditionally are guilty until proven innocent at least if there is no camera present. But not bankers. Never bankers. Bankers are immune from anything and everything.
After the police chief’s declarations, one of the largest unions, the Unified Union of Police (SUP), expressed its concern that Cosidó’s comments were “wishful thinking, we hope not demagogic, that doesn’t mention how to prevent the recording of images, something that would appear to be impossible in the technological society in which we live.”
In a statement, SUP suggested that Cosidó was trying to “deflect attention from the reality of the loss of purchasing power” of its members, after government cuts to public sector workers’ pay. “We ask that a comparative legal report with our neighboring democracies be drawn up to evaluate how they deal with the problem,” the union stated.
Judges for Democracy (JpD), a professional association of judges and magistrates, questioned the legality of preventing citizens from recording photos and videos of police officers on duty. The association’s spokesman, Joaquim Bosch, said the proposed reform was “extremely ambiguous and in no instance should be used to prevent the circulation of excesses on the part of police.”
While we are confident that this measure will ultimately fail in Spain, a national which paradoxically (still) has more freedom than the US, we bring it to our readers' attention because this type of progression is indicative of the direction the insolvent world is heading. Because first they take your freedom to use your cell phone camera, and when nobody says anything, they take away every other one.
Because remember, dear reader, to them you are merely a unit of consumption, preferably one with insurmountable and non-dischargeable student debt, as well as maxed out credit cards as far as they eye can see, who spends every hour away from the unemployment office or the version of Solitaire installed in the office PC watching reality and surreality TV during peak hours. Then you are truly a model citizen.
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May you get all the freedom you deserve.
Wow welcome to a police state. Get out while the gettin out is good.
http://jimrickards.blogspot.ca/
Protects their rights of honor and image? Rights of HONOR and IMAGE? Fucking hell - has everyone been watching so much TV that we've forgotten that honor is earned!?
Thoreau's line from Walden strikes home truly.
"Talk of heaven! ye disgrace earth."
The moment the people start to fight back for real, the farce ends. The first time some riot cop's head explodes in a mist of red from a sniper's bullet, police morale will break and they will start to turn on their masters.
Yes, because there has never been a military dictatorship in Greece, eh?
That's me in the red head band, behind the guy in the green hoodie, pushing him into the cop swinging the billy-bob club-stick.
Normally I would be up front in these things, but this time a guy could get hurt.
I might be the only one, but I recall Franco....
And I remember Sgt. Joe Friday's badge number was 714 and he didn't say anything about not recording stuff and uploading it.
He was relaxed.
714 over and out.
I remember Franco, too.
He was bad juju.
Not like Joe Friday.
rorer?
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Yes, and Lemmon after that.
They should put thoses peoplein cages
Yep
4*s
Stumble biscuits,. disco biscuits. Karen Quinlan cocktails, party poopers, sliders, puddle pills
Them made by Rorer had the number "714" on 'em
As did Joe Friday's badge
And....
Rorer is also the company makes Maalox.
Get the "AA"
If ya' abuse enough of the shit, not recommended btw, you'll need AA, NA or God knows what else, too.
Ah, to be young & dumb again ....
I still can't remember big chunks of the early 70's.
That's OK, most of the 70s is not worth remembering except for the music
Is Franco still dead?
The first time some riot cop's head explodes in a mist of red from a sniper's bullet, their masters will escalate to the full might of the military, and the civil war really starts. Are you sure you want to go there? Do we all really believe there is no turning back? Who do you think will win?
Personally I'm close to losing all hope in the current system. The next step is passive, peaceful resistance. After that the blood will spill. I'm not looking to skip any steps in that path, partly because it would make me one of them, and partly because I think we would lose.
If you're that close to the action, you will probably get beaten or pepper sprayed anyway so it matters not that you have a video camera in hand.
Like hell we would lose. Seriously. They're scared to death of an uprising by the masses. They wouldn't be able to hold us back forever. Victory is pretty much assured imo.
If you think we would lose, you are sorely mistaken. As Yamamoto said, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass. Cops would quit en masse in preference to a high probability of getting killed in the act of enforcing illegal orders.
Mucho agreeable.
It's not wise to burn a village to save it.
And I abhor violence.
If somebody else want's to take to the streets, so be it.... butchu better watch out just who the fuck it is, 'cause they may be bigger, meaner and tougher than you and really wanna hurt your ass.
Plus most of the puffers here about all that kind of crap have not served, never been under fire, never killed another man, been shot or stabbed, have never had to rescue a mate from harm's way when he's down, have not taken a direct lawful order he didn't like that had a high probability of getting his ass shot and have no fucking clue of the stress and fog of battle.
Lotta big talk.
That is not constructive.
Sooo... What do expect the people to do? Starve to death? Wait for the NWO pigs to come to your door to collect a debt or your family. Problem is, it's a lotta big talk and horrid deeds from the repressors. Sure it's no cake walk, but sometimes you have to stand for your family and neighbor. Stand as one or stand together?
My guess is, back in 1775 you would have run to Canada to surve under the king.
I've been trying to convince so many of those peaceful protestors of this. Only deadly force by the people will bring about meaningfull change. Not that I don't respect their efforts, I do. But they need to realize that to have a successfull revolution, violence is unfortunately necessary. The world doesn't work the way they think it should work, it works the way it does.
However, those that are sitting at home are consuming the information shown to them by television and internet news streams. These news streams will be telling people that the protestors are terrible people, and that the police will need to shoot on sight. This will then put the support of the proles behind the "security forces" (notice how the article talked of security, rather than police?), and the protestors will have nothing. Basically, it'll just be a big Two Minute Hate against the protestors.
"Whenever a theory appears to you as the only possible one, take this as a sign that you have neither understood the theory nor the problem which it was intended to solve."
- Karl Popper
"The moment the people start to fight back for real, the farce ends. The first time some riot cop's head explodes in a mist of red from a sniper's bullet, police morale will break and they will start to turn on their masters."
No. The farce ends when the police realize that they will be victimized by austerity as well.
Do you think a policeman will figure that out ,they are a very dumb animal.
Police state? But I thought it was all in line with the new European Nobel Peace Prize.
The Nobel Idiots had the wonderful precendent of Barry, who expanded the Bushy Police State, and where various laws already exist for arresting those trying record State brutality for posterity (or future referal to the ICC).
Serves the EU sheeple right for not speaking up when the same tyranny was being imposed in another "civilized" country.
Rights of image...another form of Visual Combat
EUSSR!
That's what it's boiling down to. All the "entitled" gave up their freedom long ago to support "The System" where it's not even necessary to read the bill in Congress. All that's asked, is does it support "The System"? If so, then the lemmings blindly vote YES. Details are unimportant. That this will all end badly is an understatement. The car will not just break down on the road and need to be fixed. The car will have to be replaced. And possibly the road as well.
Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.
George Orwell
Today Jack London is remembered mostly for The Call of the Wild and White Fang and some other adventure stories. But besides being an adventurer, Jack London was a Socialist and very concerned with social and political issues. He has the distinction of having preceded Orwell's 1984, Huxley's Brave New World, and Zamyatin's We with an anti-utopian vision of society in his book The Iron Heel.
Political theory only lightly cloaked in a fictional form, The Iron Heel is stunning in its insight into how a fascist society could take shape. Though the century-old language seems quaint in some ways, it is clear that London had insight into the mechanism by which unrestrained capitalism could turn society into an extremely oppressive and dismal environment for human beings. The story prefigured the growth of fascism in Italy, Germany and trends toward fascism in the United States. The novel portrays a society under the control of a group of monopoly capitalists called The Oligarchy or The Iron Heel. The book was written 1906, published in January 1908.
In the Foreword of the 1980 edition, Rutgers professor H. Bruce Franklin, itemizes some of London's specific descriptions of the world that was to come.
Franklin: London foresees: the creation of attractive suburbs for the relatively privileged strata of the working class while the central cities are turned into what he calls "ghettoes"for the masses of unemployed and menial laborers, shoved into the darkest depths of human misery; the deliberate economic subversion of public education in order to spread illiteracy and ignorance; adequate food, health care, and housing priced above the reach of more and more people; the ubiquitous secret police infiltrating all organizations opposing the government; the establishment of a permanent mercenary army; the government conspiring in real and phony bomb plots, in the suppression of books and the destruction of printing presses, in witch hunts aimed at dissident labor leaders, professors, and authors, in destroying the reputations of some of its opponents, imprisoning many others and murdering the few it finds too formidable; spontaneous mass rebellions of the downtrodden people of the central cities; urban guerrillas battling the government's army of mercenaries and police in the canyons of the cities.
http://www.davidcogswell.com/Reviews/IronHeel.html
Oops. Wrong post.
This is precisely what happens when socialism begins to turn upon itself (its own various factions). People who take advantage of others eventually get a taste of their own medicine. Karma bitchez!
Great....let's propose a law that law doesn't matter. We are all milking each other in the Udder World.
Have the Spainerds been disarmed alredy ?
back to Franco, or is it NDAA type of regression?
Is there a difference?
May I just point out that filming cops can already get you arrested in the US?
http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/05/7-rules-for-recording-police
I was scanning to the bottom before saying it. WTF--I couldn't believe most people, including our author, don't seem aware of this.
Recording a cop (audio at least) is still a felony in Illinois.
"720 ILCS5/14-4 (b) The eavesdropping of an oral conversation or an electronic communication between any law enforcement officer, State's Attorney, Assistant State's Attorney, the Attorney General, Assistant Attorney General, or a judge, while in the performance of his or her official duties, if not authorized by this Article or proper court order, is a Class 1 felony."
http://www.lawqa.com/qa/is-it-illegal-to-film-police-officers-performing-their-duties-in-public-place
http://www.lawqa.com/profile/lawyer-for-indie-media
It’s so nice in Illinois.
But Breaking news….. the Fascists in Cook county want a new nickel a bullet tax.
So how about $50.00 tax on a brick of .22’s in the lovely Land of Lincoln?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/18/us-usa-guns-bullet-tax-idUSBRE89H1MF20121018
This is what they may not want to be videotaped:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6aKZxaEUC0&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLZZ8y4r4xv4fUNmozg2i4_w
thank you for that - awesome video, this is how it's done.
I imagine YouTube (GOOG) would happily comply in removing "unlawful recordings".
Unless you take the Internet down - it won't matter. Hell, Pirate Bay has been around for 10 years and is a huge target for TPTB.
Not that it matters:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/18/in-attempt-to-become-raid...
+1
Protect the thugs at all costs.
Exactly! Don't want the "BRUTAL" beat downs that are coming to be seen by the rest of the world!
Fuck'em Bitches! Keep printing!
Is this about Spain or America's future??? I find this all very confusing
It's 'Merka's PRESENT, dude. It's already a crime to film our cops, or decline to identify yourself to them.
It's about time those crazy Euros got caught up with what life in a free society is supposed to be.
I don't see how our futures will be any different. They will just happen at different times.
A great man is someone who reminds us of no one else. Butkus was/is in a class by himself!
That's a nice student to teacher ratio.
I'd like to see them try and enforce that. Pointless.
they'll have to confiscate everyones phone
that's going to cause an even bigger riot than one over sovereignty
They won't even need to do that:
http://www.zdnet.com/apple-patent-could-remotely-disable-protesters-phon...
And for proof, here's the patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL...
From the patent:
I guess it depends on what a sensitive area is.
TPTB are licking their chops for the day when they can simply flip a switch and turn any one of us off at will.............
If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win. Thomas Sowell
Breaking News: Picasso's remains under house arrest for Guernica painting.
"..we bring it to our readers' attention because this type of progression is indicative of the direction the insolvent world is heading. Because first they take your freedom to use your cell phone camera, and when nobody say anything, they take away every other one. Because remember, dear reader, to them you are merely a unit of consumption, preferably one with insurmountable and non-dischargeable student debt, as well as maxed out credit cards as far as they eye can see, who spends every hour away from the unemployment office watching reality TV. Then you are truly a model citizen...."
Bravo sir, Bravo
h/t Tyler
Only in recognition of the immense labor of the security forces are we able to progress toward achieving a more just, safer and peaceful society.
"You know the score, Deckard. If you're not cops, you're little people." -- Chief Bryant
2 things... Will the punishment be worse for recording or rioting?
And...
Did the US export this wonderful freedom...
Since they hate for our freedoms..
Sounds like a really good way to make sure everyone shows up at the next demonstration wearing a mask and with a camera. This is just an authoritarian wet dream.....total fantasy.
The camera/communications genie has been let out of the bottle. It will take one hell of a repression of the citizens to put it back inside the bottle.
Seriously, its illegal to record the civil war in Syria according to dipshit Assad, but I don't see youtube, facebook, CNN and Fox News abidding by that shit!!! The Spanish police are losing it and are showing their hand is desperately weak at this point, this kind of garbage legislation indicates just how close to full societal collapse Spain really is!!!!
Just because it's illegal to RECORD something doesn't make it illegal to PUBLISH the recording.
But YouTube's pretty active about scrubbing stuff--if Assad just fills out the proper complaint form for every video depicting "illegally collected" footage, I'm sure they'll be happy to comply.
The easiest thing to do would be to spider the video looking for recognizable trademarks. Are those McDonald's "Golden Arches" in the background of the video of that guy being beaten to death and set on fire?
Pull it.
Assad has been targeted for regime change. The spanish govt and the EU will have much more influence over the media .
OWS inspired a spate of "No Mask" laws for otherwise lawful (albeit illegally crushed) public demonstrations in the US.
You can still wear Guy Fawkes masks in most EU countries. Try doing that in NYC.
Asymmetrical surveillance war in progress.
History repeating itself...war can't be far off.
Not far off at all if something else does not provide the opportunity for blame regarding the subsequent failure of the current system (default)... which could lead to war afterwards anyhow. Seems TPTB are playing both angles - plus covering the internal bases to contain the mess as long as projected to get the desired angle to play out.
They are desperate and shitting their pants all over. Dont you see that?
Pathetic! Screw them more!
Stalin would have been proud.
He'd be jealous ...humanity has never seen such a vast collection of spy-cameras, hired meddllers and nannying in human affairs in history
the western world is a Marxists wet dream ...just ask the US President
Not Chairman Mao, Hitler, or Stalin would believe how easy it actually was to conquer the earth without firing a bullet! Simply give the masses their techie toys and lots of meaningless apps and content to entertain them, and you as the State, can get away with literally doing anything, AND NOT EVEN NEED TO HIDE IT or BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT!!
Mass Murder (Syria, Libya, Sudan, Darfur, others........CHECK
Drone Assasinations (Pakistan, Iraq, libya, Afganistan, Yemen, Mali, and god only knows where else........ CHECK
One Party Political Rule (US, CHINA, RUSSIA, and coming to Europe soon..........CHECK
ABSOLUTELY NO RESISTANCE BY THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD.................CHECK
Hitler, Mao, and Stalin, would be so fucking stunned, they would bow down in appreciation and awe of our current world leaders, bankers, and corporate CEO's. They would want to hold a global summit, to discuss just how this happened, and take lots of notes!!
Shit imagine if you could bring those three fucks back to life and say, "hey guys, you can keep ALL your power you ever had, keep your military's, AND your wealth, but have a prestine reputation and history will remember you as just another "LEADER"!!! They would shit their pants and ask where do they sign!!!!
WELCOME TO 2012 Boys!
the western world is a Marxists wet dream
You oughta read some Marx sometime, dude.
Great idea!
#5 Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Hey, moron! You still trying to get my attention?
Curious about your take on the topic of the thread--I know you were all for prosecuting folks when they illegally recorded Mitten's dinner-theater...protecting the privacy of Spanish cops should be right up your alley.
Wow...lol...such hostility...you on riot patrol? I have never desired your acceptance or attention...you must think pretty highly of yourself.
"Curious about your take on the topic of the thread..."
My take is the same as its always been. The threat of double standards is always there from authorities, whether for Big Gulps or shock troops. Kindly remind me of your blasse' position on Bloombergs authoritative salt, sugar, menu and now Big Gulp policies in NYC again? Yes, I thought so...no big deal. Totalitarian prick.
But what's your take on #5 of the Marx written Communist Manifesto? You didn't answer.
"I know you were all for prosecuting folks when they illegally recorded Mitten's dinner-theater..."
Your're wiggling...I said there are laws on such things...go back and read it again.
But now your're attempting to slip the baited hook you threw out there...so, I ask again...
What's your take on #5 of the on the Marx written Communist Manifesto?
(I'll assume, crickets)
If you ever say anything interesting, I'll be glad to get into it. I think this is the same post I read from you a few years ago.
Marx was just another asshole.
"If you ever say anything interesting, I'll be glad to get into it."
Yet here we are...deep in the weeds...lol.
"I think this is the same post I read from you a few years ago."
BD...why don't you just admit the error of your ways? You shrug when the state mandates things you agree with no matter who or what it effects and froth at the mouth with populism when it mandates things you don't agree with. In truth it should mandate very little in our everyday lives, especially what we CHOOSE to eat or drink. That is also our liberty is it not?
And I'm of the mind to regain what has been lost over the years, not just prevent more erosion.
Yeah, Marx was not only an asshole but he was a "welfare recipient" from Engels. He was content for his family to live in squalor & poverty as he stroked his beard scheming and completed "his lifes work" at anothers expense. The parallels of his life are quite striking to what he actually proposed for us all...a nanny to provide for him as he dreamed under a tree.
But you still didn't answer the question about #5 and it appears you won't...so I guess today is just catch & release.
Seeya
I don't agree with the Communist Manifesto, mnewm. This was asked and answered long ago.
So what?
I was a little perplexed by this with you claiming to be an anarchist...
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the western world is a Marxists wet dream
You oughta read some Marx sometime, dude.
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What was your point...exactly...by the above? Those are your words in defense(?) of Marx.
Enlighten me about where I should read (in Marx'writings) where he doesn't talk about absolute control by the state.
I'll accept the fact that Lenin, Stalin, Castro, and Mao did.
Ponzi schemes being replaced with Nazi schemes!
Don't use the term "Nazi". Some on this board might confuse it with leftist though. Which, of course, it isn't, as Naziism is about as leftist as is fascism - a pure phenomenon of the political right.
Which, BTW, this law would be.
Yep, it's fascism.
The word "socialism" in "National Socialism" is not there by mere coincidence.
The main actual difference between Nazism and the prevailing fascism is nationalist vs. internationalist.
hmm, internationalist fascism... the word is "internazi" then.
D & R, 2 points, which determine a single line (axis) of false dichotomies.
If you think fascism is purely a phenomenon of the political right (or even the left), then you are graphically, as well as intellectually, challenged.
Don't use the term nazi?
Here's a little tune for ya...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_z_pHUKajc
Enjoy...and as that well known right winger Obama always says, Forward! ;-)
That's okay, all the rich Spainards have headed for the hill in their land rovers, they won't be affected.
Ah yes, great Spain inventor of the garote and this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2698177.stm
OT:
Oceanic Cable, here in Hawaii just 86'd CNBS channel(just after GOOG halted) for it's analog subs and has moved to only digital, which I don't have.
I only had the idiots turned on during days like today...and with the Yanks being toast, I may never turn the Muppet Box on again. Starving the beast ;))
think this is good.....when the mob storms them and kills them all, there will not be any video to convict
Public servants can film the general public but a member of the public cannot film public servants – what’s up with that ?
If police officers are doing nothing wrong then they shouldn’t have anything to hide.
If the government passes such a law then you will see tens of thousands of people break that DAMN law.
There is no way in hell they could enforce that! Look no further than Iran and Syria you dumbass Spanicrats! These idiots are just asking for a civil war.
the British Stazi, sorry Police, won't allow its citizens to take photos near public buildings, they pay for... tourists would probably be deported for taking happy snaps outside the Ministry of Truth, Justice & Tourism
Thought Crime of the Day: Stop Paying Your Taxes ...there's only so long you can finance human scum
Civil war is no stranger to Spain. At this point it looks inevitable once again - daily Unrest in many areas, roadblocks/barricades manned by young unemployed people and despair fermenting to anger in the growing army of unemployed. Tinderbox.
Greece is just catching up to Illinois. It's illegal here and in three other states--Lisa Madigan (Illinois AG) just recently prosecuted as a felony...
"..the measure is designed to protect the privacy of officers and their families.."
Course it is
Not a man on the planet would even question this politicians motives
cough police brutality cough
I fully support this proposition!
Instead of hiding behind the lens, filming their fellow men get beat up and dragged away by police, these cowards should be throwing molotov cocktails and swinging rusty metal pipes like everybody else!
So Don Quixote cannot video his public servant providing said service. But the public servant can video his provision of said service to Don Quixote. ? !
"Only in recognition of the immense labor of the security forces are we able to progress toward achieving a more just, safer and peaceful society.”
Translation: Only through having our drones in uniform smashing fucking skulls without consequences, we are able to destroy the country and
enjoy the spoils we've plundered". (until we can't pay them either)
Note to drones- Math wins. Get on the right side of the equation before it's too late.
We already have this in Illinois. Been on the books for over 20 years.
A federal appeals court blocked that law back in May. Record away, people of Illinois! http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/150619395.html
This is true, however they are still hassling folks and arrested for it, unltimately it will be thrown out, but it is still a hassle and expense to fight. With the end result still scaring most people into not doing it. Either way they are still winning...It is all about education and people taking responsibility. We have a long way to go.
The CPD invites you to...
"But facts matter little when the liquidity tide is going out and all the Ponzi schemes are exposed to have been swimming naked."
It will probally sell its people to the Troika for a few bits of paper credits but we really don't know what country in Europe is in the worst position until / unless they become national or semi national economies again.
Given the export of capital from North to south over the years I would think in some ways the PIigs are in a better position if they print national units of account.
In many or indeed most ways the PIigs are not using their existing capital and human stock (livestock ?) very well given the gross payment of debt to the empty core but who says you must pay debt ? the core ?
More like those secret sects with the funny handshakes I guess.
PS North of the Pyrennes : France is showing major weakness in its transport data released yesterday.
The post 2009 PIig extraction phase is now coming to a end in my opinion although one never knows with those guys and their funny handshakes.
France and Germany have got their Diesel / capital ration for 3 years now and have blown it for the most part.
Its time to spread the bank slurry around the gaff ..............
What do the military, law enforcement, and central banks all have in common?
They all like to blow things up?
Yes, and do it secretly.
I hear ya, razor. But these days all 3 seem to come right out and say, "Look out, we're gonna blow things up!" - and sadly through thunderous applause.
The IRS.
Please refer to Occam's Razor, razorthin.
What do I get?
Governments, controlled by banks, with cameras on every corner and tracking all digital information.
Citizens, in debt servitude to banks, not allowed to use the images and data they collect of government oppression.
pwned.
all round. who'd a thought. . .
I tried to record video after an accident...was told firmly to stop or I'd be arrested...it's still enforced by police in Chicago...trust me on this...
Of course, if you can afford attorney and multiple appeals...by all means...record away!
sureptitious is the future!
I predict that it won't be long, especially in Europe that there will be armed revolution against the EU Bank-Gangsters.
The world is arriving at a nuclear "Hitler" possible reality and "personal freedoms" are a thing of the past. Brave New World has arrived!
Brave New World has arrived!
Hardly. There's no government program distributing free intoxicants.
That might be worth it.
We're far from Brave New World. We're combining the best (worst) bits of 1984 and Fahrenheit 451.
Math is crunching down - these next few months should see antipathy returning to the sheep, where they simply forget that there was ever a financial crisis. The bloodthirsty-pigs will do everything to keep the slaves happy and above all, quiet. De-escalations of circus around the world, while the glorious and ultra-wise swill-ridden Bankers introduce more poisons and instigate more pernicious tortures upon the other humans on this planet, to retain their pride
Pull that cop into the crowd.
I can only say THANKS ZEROHEDGE for exposing this in international media.
It's getting so claustrophobic here in Spain that I cannot stand it anymore. It's a small relief that at least someone out there knows that this is actually happening, now, in the 21st century, in a (supposedly) first-world continent.
We're being pissed over, day after day, news report after news report, by a political class so corrupt, so inept, so psychotic, so incompetent and mostly, so arrogant and ignorant of the consequences of their actions, that my head is about to explode.
It's impossibly real.
Franco smiles in his grave.
As Nixon should have said, we are all fascists now.
The Spanish police are a little late , new wearable technology will make it impossible for them to stop recording in public
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19664161
http://www.copblock.org/17722/aclu-app-story/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57467073-83/aclu-app-lets-android-users...
Why is it that these people are so sheep like and stupid?
If you're going to go somewhere where you might get into a confrontation with the cops, buy yourself a couple of pairs of soccer shin guards, and put them on your arms and legs. That way, if a cop starts beating you with a baton, it actually gives you some options.
You don't need body armor, you just need to be creative.
OK, if we're gettin out while the gettins good......where the fuck are we gettin to?!
I'm sure this proposed law has the support of stateside law enforcement officials who are similiarly camera-shy.
When Governments have to resort to these kinds of actions you know the end is near. In my speech class last night we watched the Martin Luther King Jr. speeches. The US Government did the same type of things. Then because of their actions the end came that much faster. They are only able to bring about the inevitable at a much faster rate because it is the time. The time for revolution is upon us.
I think this wil set the Illinois question straight. It is in fact "legal", to film the police. I probably wouldn't be blatant about it, as cell phone cameras are pretty small and easy to use these days. Read and enjoy one mans personal story. http://www.infowars.com/cops-try-to-hit-illinois-man-with-15-year-jail-s...
geesh, you mean all that CCTV installed everywhere will now be illegal too? :O
Just replace "security forces" with "government." LOL!!!
The police chief said the reform to the Public Security Law, which is being studied by the Interior Ministry, would seek to “strike a balance between the protection of the rights of citizens and that of the government. Only in recognition of the immense labor of the government are we able to progress toward achieving a more just, safer and peaceful society.”
The measure, Cosidó said, is designed to protect the privacy of the government and guarantee its rights of honor and image.
Wishful thinking.
They are asking for full scale rioting.
The use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers has been approved.
The reform to the law could also include a penalty for taking part in a protest with a covered face.
I guess that means the cops have to leave their helmets at home then.
Coming to a country near you!!
Heil Rajoy!!l
Spain thinks its Chicago now?
So, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is NOT dead, after all.
Anonymous, I think you know what to do.
P.S. Watch my video about money please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI9lAsZDY4c
Cops or PIGS?
What's next - empowering DHS and the President to shut down the free flow of information? Like, the Internet? Shit, the US could never get THAT draconian. "Oh Lucy, you got some Spainin' to do"
It's ok for them to wear masks and aim surveillance cameras at you but not ok for you to wear a mask and aim cameras back.
Big Nano
The US of A, mecca of 'americanism' paved the way on this one, when voting the censoring and destruction of pictures of 'american' soldiers torturing people, on ground it would give those 'american' torturers a bad name.
Another funny point: do not expect the enamoured with freedom of speech 'american' middle class to react the same as they do when muslims try to censor some religious stuff. Nope, no 'american' pundit, thinker, MSM will keep repeating over and over again how dangerous it is for 'american' societies to let censorship crawl on them.
Quite so, one has to recall that muslims have consistently shown their incapacity to censor 'americans', they simply do not have the power, giving once again to the 'american' fight for freedom that specific dimension that the first priority is to prevent powerless people from acquiring power rather than preventing powerful people from exerting power to destroy freedom.
One could say that it is no surprise, considering that 'americans ' are running a business of extorting the weak and farming the poor and that the obligations of farmers/extorters include to get the extorted and farmed in their position, but, hey, this is an 'american' world and 'americans' stand for freedom, truth and justice, right?
Funny anecdocta: the brutality of the Spanish 'american' police was such that a bar owner called 'american' demonstrators to take shelter into his bar. The 'american' police kept charging into the bar.
The free press, which is an 'american' middle class institution, spinned it into the 'american' bar owner calling for the 'american' police to clean his bar from 'american' demonstrators.
This is an 'american' world. The way it works.
Section 76 of the Counter Terrorism Act 2008 in UK
It permits the arrest of anyone found "eliciting, publishing or communicating information" relating to members of the armed forces, intelligence services and police officers, which is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism".
That means anyone taking a picture of one of those people could face a fine or a prison sentence of up to 10 years, if a link to terrorism is proved.
TRY WIKIPEDIA
Journalists who feared that this law would be abused by the police to threaten the taking of photographs of their activities[7][8][9] staged a mass protest outside Scotland Yard in February 2009.[10] Gordon Brown reaffirmed that the police have a legal right to restrict photography in public places, and stated "the law applies to photographers as it does to anybody else in a public place".[7] The act however does not lay out restrictions for the photography of Community Support Officers as they do not hold the office of Constable.
The Parliamentary debate on this law was limited because in earlier versions of the Bill the offence of eliciting or publishing information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" only applied to people who were or had been members of Her Majesty’s Forces, and not to the police.[11] This was also the case throughout the debate in the Standing Committee.[12]
(An opposition amendment changing the phrase "of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" with the words "with the intention that it is useful..." was withdrawn after the Minister explained that the clause merely restated earlier laws applying to the armed forces on which there was already case law[13] that made it more reasonable than it appeared.)[12]
The law against eliciting or publishing information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" was extended to encompass police constables in a raft of unscrutinized amendments[14] that passed into the Bill at the end of the debate when the Parliamentary timetable (which had been voted on earlier in the day) expired.
When this clause was scrutinized in the House of Lords,[16] and in all subsequent debates, no reference was made to the extension of the law to include police constables.
A Parliamentary written question about the policy regarding police preventing members of the public from taking photographs in public places hasn't been answered. But the Home Office issued a circular to the police in 2009 which reminds them that 'Legitimate journalistic activity (such as covering a demonstration for a newspaper) is likely to constitute such an excuse. Similarly an innocent tourist or other sight-seer taking a photograph of a police officer is likely to have a reasonable excuse.'
Time for us to invade Spain, kick out the president, exploit the resources and install a U.S. friendly government in the name of human rights. Oh wait, we only do that for arab nations. Sorry about that.
The footage that was captuted by ip cctv is really drastic..