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Flashback To Mark Haines Commemorating 1987... As Stocks Plunge Most In 4 Months

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On a day full of memories (and a market which is down the most in 4 months), we thought (courtesy of Doug Kass) the irreplacable Mark Haines view of the 1987 crash from 2007 (just a few days after what would be the market's absolute top) was worthy of remembrance. What is perhaps most notable in the discussion is Elaine Garzarelli's 'nailed-it' indicator-based call of the top in 1987 and subsequent total 'absolutely bullish' miss in 2007 - as central bank intervention had already removed any 'indicator-based' value from market participants' toolkits and business cycle comprehension. We wonder what Haines would have made of QEtc. and today's exuberant irrationality. Must-watch to 'check' some exuberance at the door.


and here is Garzarelli in January of 2012 - looking for Dow 15k... watch it - and see if any of it rings a bell?


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Fri, 10/19/2012 - 12:54 | 2904576 The Shootist
Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:00 | 2904604 CPL
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The helmet of country himself, Conway Twitty


Stompin Tom...minus the NHL

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:09 | 2904642 Skateboarder
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I like old (read real) country better. ;)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:18 | 2904696 vast-dom
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holy fucking shit how does this woman afford to feed herself? this fucking farce of farces! the sheeple must be slaughtered out of their grazing stupor!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:27 | 2904728 Skateboarder
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The sheer volume of retardation coming out of her mouth is appalling. "The market's focusing on domestic economy these days... yadda yadda"


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 23:41 | 2906028 Harlequin001
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She looks like the Joker. Way too much plastic.

Me, I grow old gracefully.

No I don't, I grow old kicking and screaming but I still grow old just as fast.

and happy with it...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:30 | 2904743 jcaz
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LOL- still living on her one good call, 25 yrs later......

ALL of us saw it, Elaine-  you just didn't have any real money on the line back then....

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:58 | 2904806 AlaricBalth
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Here is PBS's Nightly Business Report Broadcast from the night of October 19, 1987. The sponsors of the show were Kidder, Peabody and Digital Equipment Corp., which just goes to show how transitory some public companies can and will be. Neil Cavuto was actually reporting, not spinning. Note the Federal Reserve Vice-Chairman stepping in to try to "calm" the markets. History definitely rhymes.  1st ten minutes  2nd ten minutes Final ten minutes

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 18:15 | 2905629 Randall Cabot
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Well, she said buy TNA back in January and it went from 45 to a 70 top!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:46 | 2904814 Eireann go Brach
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Is she half goat, half human? Her face looks like the back of a goat!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:00 | 2904869 Bay of Pigs
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Last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it,

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 12:56 | 2904581 Ivanovich
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Does this woman have the same makeup artist as The Joker?


"I'm only smiling on the outside..."

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:01 | 2904606 SemperFord
Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:04 | 2904619 I Am Not a Copp...
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She's been using Smiley

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 22:38 | 2905980 Lazlo Toth
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I believe based on my recollection... it was Smilex. :)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:01 | 2904611 RSloane
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I knew she looked familiar!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:48 | 2904819 BandGap
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That's not make-up, dude. That's the way her face is shaped. Hope shie didn't pay for that. Ugh.

She's just hawkin' for business.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:53 | 2904846 BandGap
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William Banzai has moved to video.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 22:39 | 2905979 Drachma
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I would suspect it's the result of cosmetic surgery gone wrong, with multiple re-tries to fix the botched cheeck enhancements.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 12:56 | 2904585 The Gooch
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Is that the Joker?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:04 | 2904616 Fleecer
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with one sweeeeeet-ass  fro.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:50 | 2904832 It is a bargin ...
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Shit that reminds me..I have some letters to post

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 12:59 | 2904599 Caviar Emptor
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Mark Haines isn't really dead. It's a conspiracy.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:37 | 2904776 Orly
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Being held hostage in the basement of a three-story tenement in Paducah, Kentucky, the town he dog-mouthed continually lo those many years...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:17 | 2904930 fourchan
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suicide is painless.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 12:59 | 2904600 The trend is yo...
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Elaine "Wait till they get a load of me" Gazzerili.  Always smiles and always bullish

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:01 | 2904607 Vincent Vega
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Erin Burnett.....YUM!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:01 | 2904608 RSloane
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Former Lehman Brothers partner and managing director?

Oh yah, she would be the first I'd turn to for market advice.............NOT.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:02 | 2904610 LouisDega
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Mark Haines... A man's man. You are missed. 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:13 | 2904674 fonzannoon
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Mark Haines was pretty cool but he used to try to make Schiff look like a nut job.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:05 | 2904622 Bokkenrijder
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More proof that if you're a complete incompetent idiot and trown enough darts at the board, you might hit the bulls eye once, like Garzarelli in 1987.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:05 | 2904628 Legolas
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L M A O !!!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:06 | 2904630 semperfi
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BULLISH!!!  No sarc.  Genuinely bullish!!  BTFD!!  Bernanke PUT will 100% money-back gauranteed save the day.  That is until hyperinflation kicks in, which we are a looong way from.  So double, even triple down and BTFD !!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:05 | 2904632 semperfi
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BULLISH!!!  No sarc.  Genuinely bullish!!  BTFD!!  Bernanke PUT will 100% money-back gauranteed save the day.  That is until hyperinflation kicks in, which we are a looong way from.  So double, even triple down and BTFD !!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:07 | 2904635 disabledvet
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it's called "buy low sell high" for a reason....not "buy high sell higher." i would say Chairman Bernanke's "Beggar thy Neighbor" is causi bellum...but for whom...but for whom. Clearly "the panic trade" has been treasuries...and we are no "buy, buy, buy." eh, maybe. spending does seem a tad on the high side, no? and well, that is pretty significant borrowing too. interestingly "all without inflation." clearly no one can be surprised by the social unrest! and the idea that money center banks is the place to be...well, that's quite a run they've had i must say. but isn't the lesson of 2008 "know thy borrower"??? no? how about "know they collateral" then? "oh, that's real estate and that only goes up"? "especially after it goes down that one and only time"? how long have i been saying that these ultra low interest rates represent DEFAULT risk? going on over a year now? But "for a REAL BIG SPENDER" yes, yes? i mean "they've already cleaned out all the lemonade stands" in our economy. I did take note "they're auctioning new cars in e-bay"...something i've been waiting for a some time now. Now LET'S TALK TAXES SHALL WE....

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:22 | 2904714 greensnacks
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What false afternoon rumor is on the books to drive the market higher into close?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:09 | 2904652 MMM
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She looks drunk

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:09 | 2904655 Spastica Rex
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Gypsies are so fun to listen to.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:14 | 2904675 Jake88
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What is she on? I'd like to get some.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:17 | 2904686 surf0766
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B cups

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:16 | 2904688 reload
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Jesus, what a waste of oxygen.

Sell side buffoonery squared.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:16 | 2904689 Seasmoke
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she went from 14 indicators down to 12 indicators...............i guess she got rid of the 2 that caused her miss in 2007 !

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:18 | 2904694 Quinvarius
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They had a down day in Zimbabwe a couple times.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:21 | 2904698 NeedleDickTheBu...
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Interesting that she is now looking at 12 indicators, down from 14 back in 2007.  Maybe she will get it right when her model has 0 indicators.


Edit - didn't see your comment Seasmoke.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:26 | 2904708 Dr. Engali
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That Woman is nukking futs I cannot believe she would be recommending financials......well yes I can believe she's recommended financials she's a Lehman Brothers clown. Maybe she should get a room with Abby Joseph and Dick Bove For a little three-way.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:39 | 2904790 Orly
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Do you have to use that word, "clown," seriously?

Your words are so hurtful, doc.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:46 | 2904813 Dr. Engali
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You are correct. To all of you clowns out there I sincerely apologize.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:35 | 2904715 Tsar Pointless
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Remember that article posted sometime within the past week, in which one of the Tyler's noted the last time investor sentiment was so bullish, back in December 2008, and how the S&P proceeded to plunge 22% over the course of the next 11 trading days?

Well, let's see - there are precisely 11 trading days remaining until the eve of the 2012 General Election. So, applying the same 22% drop to our latest S&P high of 1470-ish, gives us an S&P of 1150-ish by EOD Friday, 11/2/2012.

It also would give us President Mitt Romney and Vice-President Paul Ryan, and likely an all-Republican Congress, to boot.

Doesn't that sound like the script that is being played out?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:23 | 2904717 AustriAnnie
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Housing has bottomed and she argues this is because of statistics they look at that have turned up in the LAST THREE WEEKS?  Apparently, 3 weeks is all it takes to make a long term secular bull trend.

Best line in the interview:

"We worked together at Lehman Brothers"  (that says it all)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:26 | 2904727 web bot
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If you look at her body language, she likely has Apsergers... and is likely brilliant. Looks and her communication style are deceiving.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:27 | 2904733 killallthefiat
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The poor thing has had too much plastic surgery.  She has looked like this for years on the Nightly Business Report.  That is the takeaway.  Say no to plastic surgery, and stocks!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:27 | 2904734 piceridu
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That's some bad plastic surgery...what's with women looking like their cat?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 18:47 | 2905681 tooktheredpill
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she looked like the joker in a few of those shots - probably around the time she mentioned subprime

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:31 | 2904748 Frank N. Beans
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what's the symbol for the inverse Garzarelli ETF? 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:31 | 2904750 tooriskytoinvest
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Google, Microsoft, Intel, HP all disappointing, Apple to come?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:32 | 2904757 I am a Man I am...
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"Financials also look good, Dick Bove was on earlier, we worked together at Lehman Brothers"

LMAO, can't imagine why Lehman Brothers imploded and brought the world to its knees.

The real question is why does Fox have these fools on?  

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:34 | 2904766 TooBearish
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she actually made a good call

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 18:48 | 2905682 tooktheredpill
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true, if you sell now

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:36 | 2904770 mktsrmanipulated
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notice now oil up to 135 a barral is a problem in 2007 it was 120 shes a clown that guessed right once

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:41 | 2904797 Orly
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There it is again, "clown!"

See what you've wrought, doc?  You should be ashamed!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 13:40 | 2904792 DrDinkus
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i miss erin

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:03 | 2904864 AwkwardReader
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You can tell the host have a hard time looking at her.

I have a hard time listening to someone if they can't look at themself in the mirror.

Oh, and by the way. Doesn't it feel strangely like a David Lynch theatric. About as awkward as Henry's girlfriend's mother trying to kiss him.  Damn, I need a shower.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:07 | 2904904 mktsrmanipulated
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wouldnt u have a hard time looking at a plastic version of the JOKER with breast

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:08 | 2904907 rosiescenario
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Just a rumor....all Mormons will engage in a massive short selling exercise on the election eve driving the markets into a free fall....

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:01 | 2904916 haskelslocal
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Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:24 | 2904954 hedgehog9999
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Can you say Iguazu or Niagara.......?

Than you GOOG and GE for bringing people to their senses!!!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:26 | 2904961 debtor of last ...
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This woman has a big big family.... All saying the same stupid thing. Worse than second hand car sales people. Hang them.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:05 | 2905141 Stanley Lord
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Meredith Whitney is going to look like this in 25 years.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:11 | 2905157 jomama
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Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:52 | 2905287 Tango in the Blight
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2007: Aw isn't the market bubbly? It is all going to be just fantastic!

2012: Aw isn't the market bubbly? It is all going to be just fantastic!


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 21:16 | 2905890 pavman
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Warning: Fiscal cliff dead ahead and not to mention stupdity off the rails.  Here we go.. baby... my prediction next major low Nov 22.  Last few years it seems to bottom Nov 22.  And I'd bet 10 whole Federal Reserve Notes that congress will not, I repeat WILL NOT be able to compromise to avoid the fiscal cliff.

Any takers?

(lamest congress in the history of congress)  hell, I'm stilll hoping on 12/21/2012 rotating [sic changing] the earth so I'm on the edge of the equator on 12/22/2012.  Because if that happens, hello paradise babee.  Winner winner chicken dinner!

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 17:07 | 2905484 hustler etiquette
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Fri, 10/19/2012 - 18:00 | 2905598 DowTheorist
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Investors that followed the Dow theory scaped almost unscathed the crash.


Good to remember this. The proof of the cake is in the eating.


Figures, not talk:



Fri, 10/19/2012 - 20:38 | 2905850 Inspector Callahan
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The Evil Face. So I think we have a scheme here according to the plastic surgery the market is going to collapse. And she didn't change her methods since 1987 what a shame for an expert. Please go back to school just on the right of your clinic.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 21:06 | 2905879 pavman
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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 14:20 | 2910200 neutrinoman
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It's sad to watch the bulls of the 80s and 90s continuing to push tired themes that no longer work. The stock market entered a secular bear market in 2000 and has not left it, not yet, anyway. Do we have to keep listening to the likes of Brian Wesbury, Jeremy Siegel, Abby Joseph Cohen, et al.? Even Cramer understands that the Boomers' great bull market is over and you have to be more selective and learn to get out as quickly as you get in.

These prognosticators keep trying to use the classic market indicators, mainly from the fixed-income markets. But precisely these markets are wildly distorted by years of open-ended central bank intervention. Better to look at commodities or FX, which are better free-floating indicators of what's going on. Not until central banks start losing control, or give up manipulation, of fixed-income markets will we have true "mark-to-market" indicators return to tell us what's happening.

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