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Senate Launches Investigation Into Libyan Consulate Attack

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Shouldn't this have taken place long ago? At least we now know what the watercooler talk for the next 2 weeks will be.

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Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:26 | 2904962 docj
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You know, they have a lot on their plate. Like passing a budget and stuff.

Oh, wait...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:40 | 2905012 Hype Alert
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Yeah, you know Reid will be all over it.   More BS! 


Actually since Obama said the word "terror" within a day or two of the attack, it's all good.  All that BS talk of the video was just a head fake for al qaeda.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:42 | 2905038 krispkritter
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Mocha Light Lied, People Died. 

Hitlary Shied, Her Prez Run Died...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:56 | 2905101 walküre
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What's the point of the investigation? We're at war with just about everyone in the world. So why the fuck aren't more diplomats shot on a daily basis? Harsh? Whatever! Like this Senate inquire would get to the bottom of the issue which is ongoing CIA funded terror operations around the world. Will never ever come to light.

Waste of everyone's fucking time. Just go back to more bench warming, jawboning and backroom deals with bankers, defense and pharma contractors.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:59 | 2905109 pods
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I would agree with you on this one.  
This is just chimps flinging poo at one another.

Entertaining, but I sure as hell don't want to pay to watch it.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:06 | 2905138 walküre
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Are they even measuring Senate apporval ratings? Couldn't find any. Congress is at an alltime low which is synonymous with a dying Republic.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:08 | 2905152 insanelysane
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Yet oddly enough Congress is elected by a majority of the voters in their district.  Me thinks that people don't approve of other people's reps but love their own rep.

Term limits needed to save Republic from voter apathy.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:17 | 2905176 pods
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We will write that into the next limiting document for the nation.  Along with the simple rule: "Suggest central banking or fractional reserve currency we bash your skull in with a tire iron."

This system has had its' "Eight Belles" moment a long time ago.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:23 | 2905187 Kitler
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They seem to be eager to find out what went wrong in Benghazi for some reason.

Not so much on 9/11 however ...

The commission was established on November 27, 2002 (442 days after the attack) and their final report was issued on July 22, 2004. The report was originally scheduled for release on May 27, 2004, but a compromise agreed to by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert allowed a sixty-day extension through July 26.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:27 | 2905222 sgt_doom
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Kitler, my good citizen, you are such a cynic!

I mean, it's only logical that someone trying to do as much damage as possible would aim their hijacked airliner, at an incoming downward angle, at the very top of the Pentagon, after all....

Oopsy, no wait!  They took the most difficult airborne maneuver possible coming in at almost ground level, dead center into the Pentagon's west wall, where the only thing they could possibly accomplish from that direction was kill most of the auditing team which had uncovered the unaccounted for $2.3 trillion which the Pentagon's comptroller spoke of at a televised news conference on 9/10/01. (Auditing team was the DIA's Financial Management staff.)

Obviously, nobody in America ever kills for trillions of dollars, only $20 or so....

(And not to my dear friend, Kitler, a highly astute sort, but to any dweebs out there:  read about the Great Train Robbery back in the 19th century --- then you'll begin to comprehend ingenious and diabolical perfidy.)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 19:48 | 2905770 Cathartes Aura
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and don't forget, the auditing team was alerted by late night emails to be at their desks early on nine eleven. . . only one survived, er, overslept. . .

signed, another member of Cynics Anonymous

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 21:59 | 2905937 Clashfan
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And a bunch of the people on the actual Commission have come out publicly and said it's all shit. Of course, too late to save Cleland's career (see Diebold's first victim).

Yes, actual Commissioners admitting that their whole report was based on government LIES:

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:19 | 2905182 pods
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oops, double tap.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:26 | 2905208 Kitler
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FYI... I'm a Kazi not a Nazi.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:20 | 2905186 francis_sawyer
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Well I sure hope they appoint that crack 911 Commission to handle this so we can get some honest answers...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:43 | 2905267 azzhatter
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I'm sure Panetta got his crayons out and helped draft that over a beer

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:21 | 2905196 sgt_doom
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"Yet oddly enough Congress is elected by a majority of the voters in their district."

Well, one could amend that to read:  "..a majority of the voting machines in their district."

So who are the top three owners of the top three voting machines?  I suspect many of us know the answer to that one.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:53 | 2905291 pods
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Nah, it is the way the system works. Individually, CONgress critters bring home the (government) cheese to their areas.  Collectively, they screw us when the cost of all that cheese is added up.

Just another side effect of legalized plunder I'm afraid.


Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:07 | 2905812 nmewn
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Actually the votes and ballots are counted and tracked at the precinct and state level.

The voter rolls vs the count (R vs D) have to be pretty close or the penalty flag is thrown...locally. The voting machine thingy is a myth. Where you find the most voter fraud is where you have outstanding majorities of one or the other and it comes about by having more votes than actual sign ins on the rolls.

And of COURSE absentee ballots.

A great example of absentee ballot voter fraud is right here in Fla...Madison county...

"In 2010, Florida law required ballots to be sent to a voter’s registered address unless the voter was absent from the county, hospitalized, or temporarily unable to occupy their residence.

The Johnsons retrieved the ballots from the third party locations, brought the ballots to the voter, waited for the person to vote, and then returned the ballots to the Supervisor of Elections.

In some instances, the voters were only presented with the absentee ballot signature envelope to sign and never received the actual ballot to cast their vote.

The Johnsons also secured the assistance of several other individuals to unlawfully obtain absentee ballots directly from the Supervisor of Elections.

Despite written notice of penalties of perjury, these individuals signed and submitted an “Affidavit to Obtain Absentee Ballot,” claiming to have been authorized by voter to obtain their absentee ballot. These individuals, however, were unknown to the voters.

Abra “Tina” Hill Johnson, 43, was charged with 10 counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, and two counts of absentee ballots and voting violations.

Her husband Ernest Sinclair Johnson, Jr., 45, was charged with 11 counts of fraud in connection with casting votes, one count of corruptly influencing voting, and one count of perjury by false written declaration.

Jada Woods Williams, 34, Madison County Supervisor of Elections, was charged with 17 counts of neglect of duty and corrupt practices for allowing the distribution of these absentee ballots, contrary to Florida state statute.

The following individuals, all residents of Madison, Fla., were arrested for their role in the fraud:
• Judy Ann Crumitie, 51, charged with four counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities
• Laverne V. Haynes, 57, charged with two counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, two counts of perjury by false written declaration, and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities
• Ora Bell Rivers, 41, charged with seven counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, three counts of perjury by false written declaration, and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities
• Raven Simona Williams, 20, charged with two counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, two counts of perjury by false written declaration, and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities
• Shalonda Michaelle Brinson, 36, charged with nine counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, and one count of provided a false report to law enforcement authorities.

The case will be prosecuted by the State Attorney’s Office, Second Judicial Circuit. The investigation is ongoing and more arrests are possible."

As an aside, they were all democrats attempting to stem the TP Red Tide of 2010 and enrich themselves through government jobs...jus sayin...people shouldn't get caught up in it to the point they wind up in jail ;-)


So nobody disputes the veracity of this?

Good...another busted bullshit internet meme.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 22:00 | 2905938 Clashfan
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Thanks for saying what I was thinking, Sarge. You keep doing that.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 09:39 | 2906206 DC Exile
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The Congress is both the Senate and House of Representatives combined. Most polls do not break out one chamber or the other for measuring public approval.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:18 | 2905178 fuu
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Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:21 | 2905193 pods
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Thought you might get a kick out of that one. :)

Rumor has it that you are the "Quigley Down Under" of poo flinging.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:03 | 2905122 Just Ice
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Empty chair sitting on Bill's raised platform and hiding behind Hillary's skirt.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:57 | 2905302 chet
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They have to get on it quick since no one will give a single crap about this non-story as of the second the election is called.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 18:58 | 2905695 Chuck Walla
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Oh, did Shumer, Durbin and Kerry get a new bucket of whitewash?


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:26 | 2904965 mrktwtch2
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just before the debate on foreign policy in monday..??..guess the establishment wants obama out..thank

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:27 | 2904966 redpill
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Coincidentally, it will take at least 13 business days to comply with this document request, which you can expect on November 7, 2012.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:44 | 2905046 krispkritter
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Nah, they'll find a way to hand it off to 'Hold on There' Holder and it'll disappear until Romney walks the plank or forever if O'ShitHereWeGoAgain gets back in...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:21 | 2905195 BandGap
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They had real fucking time video of the assault beaming back to DC, there are fucking cameras at the embassy coimpound. Turn on the TV and watch the fucking heavy weapons being brought up. Just watch the fucking video. It's what the four guys saw when they looked. Must have been a shit your pants moment. remember the Alamo.

Funny, it did end up being about a movie.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:27 | 2904968 LawsofPhysics
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Another huge waste of taxpayer dollars.  I am sure the "investigation" will require all kinds of no-bid contracts be filled.  Bull fucking shit and go long Blackrock and Rand.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:44 | 2905044 JPM Hater001
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Are you kidding- waste?  They already know the facts that's why this took so long to come out.  The waste is double investigating it but I suppose if you want to get your version of the events right you've got to take your time.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:18 | 2905175 BandGap
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They already know who the fuck did this. It's now a witch hunt to demonstrate that this knowledge was skewed so as not to make the brown clown look even more inept.

Fuck me, but imagine being the head of a country with terrorist cells training here and there and then getting to deal with Mitts instead of the current administration. Makes your fucking head spin.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:31 | 2904975 tickhound
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Whatever is revealed by way of this "investigation" one can easily conclude that the result will be...

MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND protecting my freedom here at home.

- I'm either Presidential Candidate, and I approve this message.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 16:31 | 2905392 JPM Hater001
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We're gonna save the sh*t out of you.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 23:56 | 2906039 tickhound
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Damn straight.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:31 | 2904976 irie1029
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Aside from we shouldnt be there in the first place... It really sucks that we live in a country where it has to come down to crap like this to get the supposed truth.  You would think as Americans they would cooperate and band together for the common good. 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:36 | 2905003 cossack55
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Just a grammar correction:

In your last sentance, you mis-spelled "their" as "the".

Carry on.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:38 | 2905019 blunderdog
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     it has to come down to crap like this to get the supposed truth

Oh, wow--Pollyanna, is that YOU?

Please.  The Senate investigates stuff when they need a cover-story to be believed. 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:38 | 2905253 sgt_doom
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"You would think as Americans they would cooperate and band together for the common good."

Wow, somebody's been watching great SF & Fantasy lately?????

Not to sound too cynical, but having been a volunteer political activist for over three decades, please allow me to be sarcastic and wiseassedly suggest this "folks" are doing just what you suggested, irie1029:

(An apt description from another excellent economics site:

"Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a front-group/think tank housed at the ostensibly liberal New America Foundation."

(Take a close look at the members at the bottom of that site:  Peter G. Peterson's latest bulltwacky outfit to make everyone else pay for the debt they created when they stole from the nat'l tax base to "create" their billions.)

And a caveat:  a really incredibly interesting paper recently published:

 (Fear not, those rich Chinese investor-immigrants will save the day, as Joey bin BIden claims:)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 22:05 | 2905945 Clashfan
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The answer is clearly more molestation at the airports.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:30 | 2904977 walküre
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Should I think they Quazi care?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:30 | 2904979 Temporalist
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They just decided to investigate who is putting all the flouride in the water too.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:09 | 2904982 nmewn
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Sooo...ummm...hiring a second rate cheap ass Welsh firm (Blue Mountain) who then hired even cheaper September 17th Martyr Brigades members to GUARD the consulate from other Libyans like, oh, I don't know, Ansar al-Shariah, was probably not a good idea?

Do tell.


No lackeys dispute this one either.

Good...and very wise...its true.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:30 | 2904983 Zap Powerz
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Its nice they are focused on the important things and not trivial things like the pending collapse of the USA.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:32 | 2904986 Joe Davola
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Hairy Reed's family must need Obama to fork over some more shovel ready cash.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:32 | 2904987 j0nx
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You mean the same senate that is and has been in the tank for Obama and Holder for the past 4 years? Sure...

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:36 | 2904988 e-man
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God forbid they should launch an investigation into what is really going on.  Nice interception/distraction.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:32 | 2904990 Lukacko
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Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:14 | 2905000 nmewn
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They hate us for our ask our UN ambassador.

We're in the very best of hands here.


How about here? The UN ambassador seemed convinced there was a protest that turned into a riot that then turned into an RPG/machine gun militia assault...or sumpin.

Not so much now?

Time for Clapper to go under the now crowded ObamaBus to save Barry's ass?

Good riddance.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:43 | 2905037 Kaiser Sousa
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Let me save you cocksucker banker owned bitch made politicians our money on this investigation....




fuck you Bernanke and your PetrolDollar bullshit.....

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:46 | 2905053 dick cheneys ghost
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Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:42 | 2905264 sgt_doom
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It's KEYSER SOZE, damnit!  You people never get my name right.....

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:40 | 2905260 sgt_doom
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No, no, no, another commenter already cleared it all up:

"They hate us for our pink slime."


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 19:52 | 2905776 nmewn
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lol...its pork by-products and pork like substances?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:33 | 2904992 Bastiat
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blah blah blah . . . coverup

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:35 | 2905005 youngman
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The Senate finding anything....yeah right......

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 20:14 | 2905813 Ms. Erable
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Couldn't find their asses using both hands, but certainly can find a congressional page's ass damn pronto.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:37 | 2905008 blunderdog
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A Senate investigation is a joke. 

What are they going to do?  Subpoena documents from the White House?


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:38 | 2905017 ebworthen
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Candy Crowley will interrupt with revisionist history journalism and insist the administration called it a terrorist attack all along.

It was a matter of semantics and interpretation, not political ass covering - is how the tune will be played.

More bullshit, more lies.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:41 | 2905035 pods
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Paging Bob Dole, paging Bob Dole, you are requested to be on another useless blue ribbon committee.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 16:35 | 2905406 JPM Hater001
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This just heard from the former Senator:

"Nobody tells Bob Dole what Bob Dole can or can't do.  Only Bob Dole Can...Now where did Bob Dole put his pants?  Someone get Reagan on the horn."

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:43 | 2905039 I am a Man I am...
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The Terror vs. Movie debate.  A perfect example of how our government forms the debate so you have absolutely zero understanding of what the fuck happened.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:44 | 2905047 dick cheneys ghost
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How does one investigate the CIA?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:56 | 2905301 pods
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With permission?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:49 | 2905067 Winston Churchill
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Executive priviledge in 3...2....1....

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:58 | 2905103 insanelysane
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You are so right.  This is the story I am hearing.

US knew there was something going on in Bengahzi.

Ambasador was down there to provide cover story for Intelligence so the activity could be monitored.

Not enough security was assigned and consulate is overrun.

Everyone flees for a week or so.

CNN waltzes into unsecure consulate property and picks up ambassador's diary.

What other stuff was lying around that locals picked up from rubble before CNN got there.


The story from the debates is this.

VP Debate - administration didn't know what happened for 14 days

P Debate - administration called it a terror attack next day (and then asked everyone to lie about it for 14 days for national security reasons)

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:07 | 2905137 surf0766
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It is about moving weapons from Libya to turkey to syria or so the business insider writes.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:22 | 2905200 Winston Churchill
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With the Turkish ambassador having dinner in a 'company 'safe house,

what else could it be ?

The 'help wanted' ad in the local bazar probably wasn't so clever in


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:50 | 2905283 surf0766
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It took how long for this dinner arrangment to come out? There is more to this story. It really stinks.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:58 | 2905308 pods
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All the stories that involve agency spooks and ME warlords stink.  Just never seems to come out the way they planned.


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:10 | 2905158 nmewn
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Hell, it gets even dimmer.

Here's Rosa Brooks (part of the great Soros "Open Society" home team) they had on staff from 2009-2011...

"Despite some successes large and small, Obama's foreign policy has disappointed many who initially supported him. The Middle East initiatives heralded in his 2009 Cairo speech fizzled or never got started at all, and the Middle East today is more volatile than ever. The administration's response to the escalating violence in Syria has consisted mostly of anxious thumb-twiddling. The Israelis and the Palestinians are both furious at us. In Afghanistan, Obama lost faith in his own strategy: he never fought to fully resource it, and now we're searching for a way to leave without condemning the Afghans to endless civil war. In Pakistan, years of throwing money in the military's direction have bought little cooperation and less love.

The Russians want to reset the reset, neither the Chinese nor anyone else can figure out what, if anything, the "pivot to Asia" really means, and Latin America and Africa continue to be mostly ignored, along with global issues such as climate change. Meanwhile, the administration's expanding drone campaign suggests a counterterrorism strategy that has completely lost its bearings -- we no longer seem very clear on who we need to kill or why."

She's not feelin the hopey changey vibe (incompetence disguised by arrogance) anymore.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 22:08 | 2905947 Clashfan
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Nmewn, I never believe anything a 911 truth denier says or posts. Sorry.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 22:51 | 2905991 nmewn
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Dearest Clash,

Rosa Brooks is an adamant "progressive" of the first order and part of George Soros' operation over at Open Society. She sits on the board of (among other things) Amnesty International and is a critic of the Jewish state (and presumably the suicidal Mossad 911 which should be right up your alley as one of the chief provocateurs of 911 hysterics.

If you don't like what she said about O'Barry you can take it up with her or can't you read or research in your capacity as a tenured Literature Professor?

You really need to separate me (and fact from your fantasies) from the author, if you still can.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 23:32 | 2906001 tickhound
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Ohhhhhhh newmewn.  If I may interjecticulture... Because I have respect for this little thread here AND there's always been this little 1/2 oz from my stack of respect I reserve for you... There's iron in this man's conviction...

But couldn't we say that your Rosa Brooks quote above reads like a neo-con agenda?

AND for what we BOTH know of our overall propaganda machine... Should any inkling of suspicion one MAY have towards our government regarding 911 be ever considered "hysterics?"

Hysterics is believing Romney or ANYONE is going to create 12 million jobs in this age of profit through automation.  I mean we could get rid of fire hydrants and pass buckets all day and I could create 12 million jobs.  Yeah I'm buzzing.

Of course then the next thing you know I'm starting the fires myself... Gotta keep everyone employed, you know.

We can fly a drone and hit a fly's ass but let's pay an airline pilot 200k.

Anyway... What were we talking about?



Fri, 10/19/2012 - 23:58 | 2906041 nmewn
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I've been off al week and have a good buzz

I would say, if she's a "neo-con" her admitted disdain for Israel leaves the impression a little flat. Or am I not understanding neo-con as the term changes daily?

For the record (between you and I) I have grown weary of being called "ä denier" on a host of issues. So I now call ANYONE who calls me a denier "a hysteric". Its the same thing they are trying to do isn't it? It assumes a position of "consensus" or "authority" when the facts don't merit it.

It's propaganda and I hit back with same...Alinsky Rules, full body contact.

We've gone (on this 911 thingy) from Mossad suicide pilots (wrong), to remote controlled auto pilot (wrong), to voice recognition software (wrong), to nano thermite (wrong), to who knows what. Its an endless conspiracy.

Benghazi is as obvious as it gets...911 means something to them and everyone. They attacked on 911. Not 910 or 909 or June fucking 22nd.

It was 9/11/12.

Unless, of course, the video cameras, participants and eyewitnesses are AGAIN wrong about what happened. Its so stupid to even go down that idiotic road. They're saying they did it...what the fuck else does anyone want?

And our governments incompetence won't be covered up by bullshit internet 911 propaganda artists (like clashfan) on this're being manipulated dog...not me.

Still buzzin ;-)

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:08 | 2906044 Harbanger
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Hey nmewn, arguing with idiots can get you down, I found a new song that will make you feel better.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:30 | 2906064 nmewn
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They're not all just fits with their world view.

There is genuinely evil bastards in this world...its just that they're ALL not right here ONLY...just more than a few incompetent pricks than needed up in DC.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:40 | 2906069 tickhound
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Who said we're arguing? It's a freaking discussion, it happens from time to time on zh.  Not everything's gotta be a RAY RAH FUK for the team banner, dude.  Your failure to detect it makes you sound noobish.  Oh, and btw, the message is decent but your song sucks.

See, now this has the makings for an argument.  Ya git it?

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:48 | 2906070 Harbanger
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I wasn't referring to you, idiot.  That's why it's plural.  He does argue with "idiots" from time to time.  I was just sharing a new song I found.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:50 | 2906071 tickhound
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Yeah well it sucks.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:59 | 2906080 Harbanger
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I didn't expect you to like it.  I can find one I know you'd like if you want.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:18 | 2906046 tickhound
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Regardless of who "did" it... Is it far fetched to consider, building 7, that anyone might enable, assist, building 7, allow, building 7, know in advance, building 7... But ENOUGH!  Tonight we'll call it a tie cuz this gets like tennis, satisfy an agenda building 7 pull it free fall pancake.

And to the neocon thingy... Regarding an agenda of "instability within the region," Both sides claim to want peace but its always OMG the INSTABILITY!  Worsening always "BY THE MOMENT!"  Holy crap!  No one can ever seem to get it together over there.  Understand... Peace in that region would mean higher oil prices.  And there's no having any of that.  Were the agenda or the GOAL to create instability ie control, whether neocon or neolib, all is well on the middle eastern front. 

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:25 | 2906055 nmewn
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Thats the now...after all this...comes down to WT7.

I don't know and frankly I'm sick of chasing ghosts using logic because there is no such thing as ghosts. If someone wanted to take out WT7 they would have just taken the damned thing out. There was no reason for any of the rest of the..."överly elaborate yet easily escapable death trap"...BS that came before it...apologies to International Man of

The whole endless conspiracy has fallen flat on its face.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 08:19 | 2906173 Clashfan
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No, it does not come down to WTC 7. The Twin Towers fell at nearly freefall speed, which is quite impossible with any other explanation besides controlled demolition. WTC 7 could not even exist, and the inside job would be just as obvious, just as odious, and just as obdurate.

Also, I am not a "tenured Literature professor" and have never claimed to be one. I am a community college instructor. You are a 911 truth denier (as you prove). Get it straight.

As for whatever problem you have with "ghosts," good luck.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 09:46 | 2906210 nmewn
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I'm not going to argue with "hysterics" all day about this again.

If it was "controlled demolition" why wait an hour after the terrorists flew the jets into them? If explosives (nano or otherwise) were in place it would have been smarter...we're assuming cunning & intelligence aren't we?...for the jets to hit, then a minute or two later the towers drop. Less visual evidence from all angles...yes?

I note AGAIN all discussion of Mossad suicide pilots...spurious claims of voice recognition software to account for passengers and crew telling the world what was happening...have been dumped. No apology. No, yeah well, we were wrong about that but look over here!!!...just not mentioned anymore.

If you're not familiar with structural design this is going to be a long post. And, as I said, I'm not going to argue with a hysteric all day lest I look like a fool.

Suffice to say, it didn't fall "at nearly freefall speed" precisely because as the first floor dropped onto the second floor the mass and weight from the first transferred to that floor, snapping the connection of that floor to the outer wall and the inner core...then on down to the next. The FLOORS were not designed to hold the load (the weight of the floor above it), no skyscrapers are. That weight and mass is on the connection to the columns with those columns transferring it down to the foundation...the skeletal structure, like in our bodies.

You obviously have a vivid just think of it as a row of dominoes on the table...except...VERTICAL.

Now, go howl at the moon.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 16:59 | 2906800 Clashfan
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The floors are designed to hold the weight of the buildings above them. That's why the buildings don't fall, period.

This is one of your most stupid posts. And that's saying a lot.

They fell within a second or two from freefall speed, right into their own footprints, following the path of most resistance. The top of one of the buildings was tilting when collapse began, and then it disintegrated. Poof.

It was clearly a controlled demo. No wild imagination here. And your calling something "wrong" is not an argument whatsoever. It's just hot air.

Three different labs have found nanothermite in the rubble, even unignited chips. Again, how does molten iron exist in the rubble over a month after the incident? Nothing explains that besides nanothermite.

You've got some 'splaining to do, Lucy.

Your denial of these obvious facts warrants heavy suspicion, period.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 18:22 | 2906951 nmewn
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"The floors are designed to hold the weight of the buildings above them. That's why the buildings don't fall, period."

Lol...ummm, no, they're not. Large multi-story modern building FLOORS transfer their weight AWAY from the center or else you would have columns running through the middle of every room larger than a broom closet.

Now...I'm getting suspicious of you ;-)

And see below on "the great mysteries of nanothermite".

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 01:32 | 2906094 Magnum
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Odigo instant messages warning israelies to avoid WTC on NYC 9/11.  Look under every rock find a tribal.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 08:15 | 2906170 Clashfan
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I don't think I've ever stooped to misrepresenting one of your positions, nmewn, have I? You are a 911 truth denier, and since you see fit to post on just about every ZH thread, I plan on calling you out when I see you.

Denial of 911 truth is blatant misinformation, kind of like misrepresenting someone's position on a subject.

I have never, ever, posted about "Mossad suicide pilots."

On the other hand, three different labs have found nanothermite in the rubble. I'd love to know why you think nanothermite is "wrong." That's a laugher. I'd love to know how you explain molten steel and smoldering fire months after the incident, buried in the rubble. Further, I'd love to know how remote control is "wrong" or voice recognition software is "wrong" and how you know this.

The big question, of course, is why you are misleading readers about this event of primary importance. I find it highly suspicious.

Again, I never believe anything a 911 truth denier says.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 17:37 | 2906857 nmewn
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Well Clash, I didn't see you down here earlier. Now I've got an hour or so to kill.

"I'd love to know why you think nanothermite is "wrong."

Do you have any idea what "nanothermite" is comprised of?

Finding nano sized aluminum & iron oxide in the dust of, or adjacent to, buildings that just got pulverized is akin to screaming Eureka!!! at having found salt in sea water.

I'll even leave aside the integrity of those who collected it, where it was collected, the chain of custody of its collection and preservation and take it at face value that all careful, normal, non-contaminant scientific methods were used. I'll take it all at face value.

Iron oxide is simple rust. And aluminum is used in paint for pigmentation. In fact, both are used in paint among other things. We're talking about a pulverized building here.

But...the word nanothermite sounds scary and carries much more panache' than just plain ole rust dust doesn't it?

Moving on...I never said YOU said the hijackers were Mossad agents...but other "Truth hysterics" immediately did. I'm saying in general. 

Then it was "cell phones" wouldn't work. They (passengers & crew) couldn't communicate with the ground. Well, they most certainly did.

Then it was, no they didn't (the voice of the hysteric now) it was voice recognition software which mimics, that is fools, the one on the ground into thinking they are talking to someone on one of the planes. This too was "blown apart" by evidence to the contrary and of course, the logic of the people on the ground who knew the people they were talking to only knowing things they would say. One of the stewardess' wasn't supposed to even fly that way to "plan for her voice" when she wasn't supposed to be there or öther voices from passengers who caught last minute flights.

"I find it highly suspicious."

Of course you would. You're a nutcase. I suppose you've bought into the notion that anyone who doesn't believe what you believe must be crazy or be some "US government secret agent" or sumpin. No better yet...I'm a Mooosaaad agent!!!...sent to the pages of

Good grief, you people are incredible.

I would advise you to go talk to a shrink about that but I value their opinions even less than a truther hysteric opinion and he would probably do more harm than good to someone as easily brainwashed as you. And I do look forward to you "calling me out" in the'll be fun...just do it on a GW thread where you'll have plenty of your fellow travelers who believe in censorship numbers 1 thru 15 (lol) or whatever stupid shit that is to back you up.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:10 | 2913328 Clashfan
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Thanks for the insults. Badges of honor.

Cell phone calls at that time would have behaved differently than calls from plane phones, depending on altitudes and speeds. There were many reports of calls. Lumping them all together and saying that if one is real, all were is a logical fallacy. Each call has to be evaluated on its individual merit, but several of them were impossible, and several others were falsely reported, initially (ala Barbara Olsen).

As for the reports of nanothermite, first, you don't have to "take it all at face value." Scientific publication has this thing called journals, and peer review, and a community with an opportunity to rebuke problematic claims. First, you might familiarize yourself (seriously) with what nanothermite is and the difference between it and more ordinary thermite:

From the above link:

THERMITE Starts with larger particles of aluminum and iron-oxide (bigger than about 100 nanometers) Incendiary (non-explosive) Sulfur added (typically called thermate) forms a eutectic with molten iron product, staying liquid at lower temperatures (red-orange-hot) when ordinary iron and steel would be solid.

NANOTHERMITE Starts with particles of aluminum and iron-oxide smaller than about 100 nanometers; hence "nano" Often mixed with organic material so as to generate gas Can be tailored to be explosive (see point 1 above), or used as a trigger material --for explosives used for demolitions.

And again, as for peer-reviewed publication on the matter:

See the paper whose title begins with "Active Thermitic Material."

I can't count the number of fallacies and twists that Fetzer applies in his lame but widespread rebuttal, but you can have it to see that I'm reading the other side or whatever:

Below is a good site with a well-written, brief explanation. You're missing (or avoiding) the point: Controlled demolition was necessary to affect the steel in this manner. It could not have happened from the fire resulting from the jetliners' impacts:

The transfer of weight thing you mention is a red herring that does not address the point that the structure of the building below the impact is always supporting the weight above it. You are nitpicking desperately at the word "floors." It's pretty silly.

If you had been able to totally remove ten floors anywhere, like pulling a tablecloth out from under dishes--just made a chunk of the building disappear--you would still not get the collapses you see on the videos. Anyone who believes that planes and fires caused those collapses is really not thinking clearly or logically.

Here is evidence that the molten iron was there long after the incident:

You can call me names or crazy all you like, but you cannot explain this evidence so retort to ad hominem. There can only be one truth to this matter, so it's not a matter of opinion but one of fact. And you are the one who is clearly wrong. Yes, it's suspicious.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:11 | 2913336 Clashfan
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And since publication became so difficult for 911 truthers, there is now a journal specifically for the topic, peer-reviewed:

Read if you care.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:13 | 2913341 Clashfan
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They now have over sixty peer-reviewed articles:

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 09:12 | 2906194 therearetoomany...
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me! "between you and me"

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:25 | 2905211 BandGap
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They have VIDEO. There were security cameras in the courtyard at the fucking embassy.

And then there is the diary. How must investigatin' does they need? It's all theatrics.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:51 | 2905075 Squid Vicious
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Good, those lying cunts HRC and Susan Rice need to be exposed for what they are, lying cunts of course

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:02 | 2905124 Winston Churchill
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Its the only qualification to be a diplomat.

Lying FOR your country,though not lying TO your country.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 20:09 | 2905803 Cathartes Aura
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phew!  and once we've got the lying cunts out of the way, hopefully we can begin to address all the lying cocks.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 14:55 | 2905094 AldoHux_IV
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Some of the best screenwriters have been drafted to serve America in her time of need and come up with the best believable story so that they can carry it over to the NYFed bomber and thus lock this NDAA shit into proper place.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:03 | 2905130 silverserfer
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its cute how political grandstanding completely pretends like CIA and covert operations are doing nothing. What a charade. 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:10 | 2905161 Squid Vicious
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so now the "foreign policy" "debate" will mostly be about this nonsense, and not Romney's Zio-Nazi plans for a New American Century... well played by Faux News, et. al.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:53 | 2905288 insanelysane
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I think you can thank the Candy Crowley debacle for this.  The dems got a good chuckle for about 10 hours about how Candy and O stuck it to Mittens about O insinuating that he knew it was a terror attack the next day and even said so in the Rose Garden.  Chuckles ended when they realized that this directly contradicted by Biden slapping Ryan about how all they knew for 14 days was that it was all about the movie.  Both of them were debate "victories" but only one could be the truth.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 23:11 | 2906003 Harbanger
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You need some stronger meds.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:15 | 2905169 Gene Parmesan
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Not optimal.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:22 | 2905198 TideFighter
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My secretary just knocked on my door and said that Faux News just announce they had 180+ signed documents whereby Libya

Embassy requested additional security. It's rollover time, and it won't take until November 7th.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:47 | 2905276 nmewn
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Hillary got her team together and went over all tranmissions with a fine tooth comb long before O'Barry even gave it another thought...(he figured the photo op meeting the corpses at the airport was enough, narcissist that he is)...then she pre-empted O'Barry with the buck stops with here line...leaving O'Barry hanging on to her skirt muttering the same thing at the debate AFTER her...making him look small.

Say whatever you want about Hillary but she ain't stupid.

Its on fire, no parachutes left on board and headed straight into the ground.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 00:31 | 2906066 Clashfan
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Like Robme the occultist Mormon and Bush 41 understudy, with all of the same Neocon Jew PNAC folks, is gonna be any better? Ha.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 09:00 | 2906189 therearetoomany...
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Why wait til the democratically controlled senate does anything....we can all vote him out in 2 weeks....

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:27 | 2905223 JustPrintMoreDuh
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At last ... the truth shall be revealed!



Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:54 | 2905294 insanelysane
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where do you live???

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 18:00 | 2905597 Marley
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Sat, 10/20/2012 - 04:23 | 2906132 Money 4 Nothing
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How bout'.. don't set up a CIA destabilization campaign in a residential neighborhood. Just saying.
We never had a consulate or an embassy in Benghazi Libya until 2 weeks after the attack.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:33 | 2905237 Wile-E-Coyote
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How about US foreign policy.........that's fucking why.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 15:36 | 2905246 Wile-E-Coyote
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You would think that drone circling my house would run out of fucking fuel eventually.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 16:02 | 2905320 pods
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You must have the solar powered one? 

That sucks.  Although you can probably move after sundown?


Fri, 10/19/2012 - 16:10 | 2905337 TuesdayBen
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They'll conclude it was a single mortar

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 16:56 | 2905455 Shock and Aweful
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This whole story is fucking stupid....and whoever said "Guess we know what the water-cooler talk will be for 2 weeks" is a fucking idiot.

I work in an office with about 30 people...and not fucking one of them knows anything about this shit....

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 17:21 | 2905519 Winston Churchill
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Bet they know Snooki's baby's name,and what nail varnish Kim Kardasian is wearing.

Bah,bah , fresh mutton.

Its whats for dinner.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 17:57 | 2905592 Marley
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Is Ken Starr available?  I thought he was still looking for weapons of mass delusion in Iraq. 

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 18:36 | 2905666 Totentänzerlied
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Obamocalypse Now - (9/11 Commission Report) Redux.

I think I've seen this movie before.

You know... it's not too late for Obama to become a wartime president (recall that the current kinetic military action/humanitarian interventions in at least 5 countries does not count and you just hate Obama if you don't agree, dig?).

Just sayin'. It's your re-election to lose, Barack. Remember, it worked for Bush. All you gotta do is trot out whoever is your latest Sec.Def. alongside Napolitano in front of the UN Security Council, you can even re-use the Iraq playbook, just Search+Replace Iraq -> Iran and Saddam Hussein -> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Better remove mention of Osama though, since you already killed him twice.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 19:48 | 2905771 nmewn
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"Better remove mention of Osama though, since you already killed him twice."

Prolly a good idea...the ladies on the View (of all places) already pointed out the simple fact that one of our ambassadors is also dead.

From the mouths of babes ;-)

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 08:25 | 2906177 Clashfan
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Thanks for that q99.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 23:46 | 2906032 icanhasbailout
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Before anyone gets too excited about the possibility of truth being exposed, look who signed the letter. This is an intentional cover-up in progress.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 04:11 | 2906128 Money 4 Nothing
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Senate Launches Investigation Into Libyan Consulate Attack....

Then why is Faux Noobs doing a full disortation of the attack on their network? Did Faux investigate this first?

We will never know the truth of the matter besides some already established fact's. Not sending a security cadre after multiple requests is just as bad as killing those represenatives ourselves.

I smell a Benghazi Commission report in our near future.


Sat, 10/20/2012 - 06:23 | 2906148 shutupnsing
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Oligarchies don't investigate themselves...just ask Corzine! We've become 300 million fools...

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 09:12 | 2906195 toomanyfakecons...
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They investigate, but they sure don't prosecute.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 09:17 | 2906197 d edwards
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This won't go far. The Senate is dominated by the Dems and under the control of the abominable Harry Reid. It'll get swept under the rug until after the election. Too bad for the dead people and their families.

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