Debate Post-Mortem: Obama's Bin Laden, Romney's Bad-Guys, And Mali, Manipulators & Moar Centrifuges

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Was it just us - or was that a bit of a snoozer? Some fascinating 'off-topic' debates that dragged us from Mali to Massachusetts 1st grade math scores, and from Bayonets to Obamacare. Some reasonable amount of agreement between the two on foreign policy punctuated by flip-flopper and weakling name-calling. Ironically, given our boxing-match meme - the counterpunches were incessant though Romney seemed to play defense more and Obama appeared to more urgently change the discussion (with little impact). Lots of braggadocio on naming multi-syllabic foreign towns and leaders. Obama won the drinking-game challenge by a long-way 53:34. Obama also won the 'time-spoken' challenge (by the narrowest margin of the 3 debates) 41:42 to 41:07. Obama's odds of an election win levitated modestly from the beginning (from around 59.5% to 61.5%). Of course, Wal-Mart got very, very quiet when the cheap China import bashing started, but luckily it too was based on generic 10 second attention span talking points, and led nowhere, so the Waltons can get back to doing what they do best. So far an Obama clean-sweep on our scientific study, which of course was highly irrelevant: all the truly important foreign issues (EU, China economic ascendancy, Japanese decline) were ignored. Why? The "Mr. Chairman will get to work" of course, showing once again who is truly in charge.

 

Obama's Intrade Odds rising modestly...

 

and wins the drinking game...

 

Bloomberg Full Headline count:

OBAMA

*OBAMA SAYS 'WE ARE REBUILDING ALLIANCES AROUND THE WORLD'
*OBAMA SAYS PEOPLE IN BENGHAZI MARCHED AS A U.S. FRIEND
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY'S STRATEGY HAS BEEN 'ALL OVER MAP'
*OBAMA SAYS HE IS GLAD ROMNEY FINALLY REALIZES AL QAEDA IS ISSUE
*OBAMA SAYS '1980'S CALLED WANT FOREIGN POLICY BACK GOV.ROMNEY'
*OBAMA SAYS ON FOREIGN POLICY GOV. ROMNEY IS ALWAYS WRONG
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY'S SOLUTIONS DO NOT PROVIDE A STRONG U.S.
*OBAMA SAYS IN MIDEAST NEED TO PROTECT WOMEN/RELIGIOUS MINORITY
*OBAMA SAYS 'SYRIANS WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE THEIR OWN FUTURE'
*OBAMA SAYS 'U.S. IS PLAYING A LEADERSHIP ROLE IN SYRIA'
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY THOUGHT CAPTURING QADDAFI WAS MISSION MUDDLE
*OBAMA SAYS 'ROMNEY DOES NOT HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS ON SYRIA'
*OBAMA: EGYPT NEEDS TO STAY FRIENDLY TO ISRAEL, THAT IS RED LINE
*OBAMA SAYS 'OUR ALLIANCES HAVE NEVER BEEN STRONGER'
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY IS PROPOSING 'WRONG AND RECKLESS POLICIES'
*OBAMA: 'POLICIES YOU ARE PROMOTING DON'T HELP SMALL BUSINESS'
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY WANTS TO SLASH FUNDING FOR EDUCATION
*OBAMA SAYS GOV. ROMNEY'S 'MATH DOES NOT WORK'
*OBAMA SAYS THE NAVY HAS CHANGED WE DON'T USE HORSES/BAYONETS
*OBAMA SAYS MY TEAM VISITED YOUR WEBSITE 'IT STILL DOESNT WORK'
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND A MODERN MILITARY
*OBAMA SAYS 'IF ISRAEL IS ATTACKED, I WILL STAND WITH ISRAEL'
*OBAMA SAYS IF I AM PRESIDENT IRAN WILL NOT HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPON
*OBAMA SAYS EVERY FACTCHECKER SAYS APOLOGY TOUR IS NOT TRUE
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY WAS INVESTED IN COMPANY INVESTED IN IRAN OIL
*OBAMA SAYS 'WE HAVE SHOWN STRENGH IN IRAN' AND IRAN IS WEAK NOW
*OBAMA SAYS FIRST TRIP I TOOK AS CANIDATE WAS TO TROOPS
*OBAMA SAYS WHEN I WENT TO ISRAEL WENT TO YAD VASHEM
*OBAMA SAYS WHEN ROMNEY CAMPAIGNED HE DID FUNDRAISERS,MET DONORS
*OBAMA SAYS HE IS PLEASED ROMNEY IS ENDORSING HIS POLICIES
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY SWITCHES HIS POSITIONS ON MIDDLE EAST
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY 'WANTED TO ASK PAKISTAN OK TO KILL BIN LADEN'
*OBAMA SAYS 'AL QAEDA IS WEAKER NOW THEN WHEN I TOOK OFFICE'
*OBAMA SAYS CHINA IS BOTH A POTENTIAL PARTNER AND ADVERSARY
*OBAMA SAYS WE LOSE COMPETITION WITH CHINA IF EDUCATION SLASHED
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY INVESTED IN COMPANIES THAT SHIP JOBS TO CHINA
*OBAMA SAYS 'U.S. EXPORTS TO CHINA HAVE DOUBLED'
*OBAMA SAYS 'U.S. IS A PACIFIC POWER'
*OBAMA SAYS 'CHECK THE RECORD' ON ROMNEY AND AUTO INDUSTRY
*OBAMA SAYS ROMNEY 'KEEPS TRYING TO AIRBRUSH HISTORY'
*OBAMA SAYS 'ROMNEY FOREIGN POLICIES ARE WRONG AND RECKLESS'

 

ROMNEY

*ROMNEY SAYS 'NUMBER OF DISTURBING EVENTS' IN MIDDLE EAST
*ROMNEY SAYS 'SEEING DRAMATIC REVERSAL' FROM ARAB SPRING TO NOW
*ROMNEY SAYS 'WE CAN'T KILL OUR WAY OUT OF THIS MESS'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'NEED MUSLIM WORLD TO REJECT EXTREMISM ON OWN'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'IRAN IS ON THAT PATH TO A NUCLEAR WEAPON'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'ATTACKING ME DOESN'T PROVIDE MIDEAST SOLUTIONS'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'I WON'T WEAR ROSE COLORED GLASSES FOR RUSSIA'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'SYRIA IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US' IRAN IS ONLY ALLY
*ROMNEY SAYS 'NEED TO MAKE SURE INSURGENTS ARE ARMED'
*ROMNEY SAYS WANTS SYRIAN INSURGENTS ARMED IN RESPONSIBLE WAY
*ROMNEY SAYS 'I DON'T WANT OUR MILITARY INVOLVED IN SYRIA'
*ROMNEY SAYS I WISH U.S. SAW PASSION FOR FREEDOM IN THE MIDEAST
*ROMNEY SAYS HE AGREES WITH HOW OBAMA HANDLED MUBARAK/EGYPT
*ROMNEY SAYS IRAN'S AHMADINEJAD SAYS U.S. DEBT IS SECURITY ISSUE
*ROMNEY SAYS 'AMERICA MUST BE STRONG. AMERICA MUST LEAD'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'WE ARE GOING TO CUT 5% OF DISCRETIONARY SPENDING'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'OBAMACARE DOESN'T SOUND GOOD, CAN'T AFFORD IT'
*ROMNEY SAYS I HAVE SPENT MY CAREER BALANCING BUDGETS
*ROMNEY SAYS 'THE PRESIDENT HASN'T BALANCED A BUDGET YET'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'IF ISRAEL IS ATTACKED, WE HAVE ISRAEL'S BACK'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'NUCLEAR CAPABLE IRAN IS NOT ACCEPTABLE'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'I WOULD TAKE ON STRONGER IRANIAN SANCTIONS'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'IRAN BELIEVES THIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT STRONG'
*ROMNEY SAYS IRAN SAW WEAKNESS FROM THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
*ROMNEY SAYS 'OBAMA BEGAN U.S. APOLOGY TOUR IN MIDDLE EAST'
*ROMNEY SAYS OBAMA SKIPPED ISRAEL ON HIS APOLOGY TOUR
*ROMNEY SAYS 'AMERICA HAS NOT DICTATED OTHER NATIONS'
*ROMNEY SAYS IF OBAMA IS ELECTED I SEE IRAN CLOSER TO BOMB
*ROMNEY SAYS IF OBAMA ELECTED I SEE SYRIA WITH 30K DEAD
*ROMNEY SAYS WITH OBAMA OUR INFLUENCE IS RECEDING
*ROMNEY SAYS IT IS NOT TIME TO DIVORCE PAKISTAN
*ROMNEY SAYS PAKISTAN 'IS TECHNICALLY AN ALLY' DON'T BLAME OBAMA
*ROMNEY SAYS PAKISTAN HAD U.S. ANGER BEFORE BIN LADEN RAID
*ROMNEY SAYS 'I SUPPORT DRONE STRIKES' BELIEVE OBAMA IS RIGHT
*ROMNEY SAYS 'WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN KILLING BAD GUYS'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'CHINA WANTS A STABLE WORLD'
*ROMNEY SAYS CHINA WANTS THE 'WORLD TO BE FREE AND OPEN'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'NEED TRADE RELATIONS WITH CHINA THAT WORK FOR US'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'OUR GOODS ARN'T COMPETITIVE WITH CHINA'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'CHINA NEEDS TO PLAY BY THE RULES'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'CHINA HACKS OUR COMPUTERS, STEALS IP,COPIES GOODS'
*ROMNEY SAYS IT'S CLEAR THAT CHINA DOES NOT WANT TRADE WAR
*ROMNEY SAYS 'CHINA CAN'T JUST ROLL ALL OVER US'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'ATTACKING ME' WON'T CREATE JOBS IN THIS COUNTRY
*ROMNEY SAYS 'I WOULD DO NOTHING TO HURT AUTO INDUSTRY'
*ROMNEY SAYS AUTO INDUSTRY NEEDED A MANAGED BANKRUPTCY
*ROMNEY SAYS 'I WANTED TO HELP AUTO INDUSTRY GET ON FEET'
*ROMNEY SAYS 'I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK' TO OBAMA POLICIES
*ROMNEY SAYS 'I DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT TO PUSH WAYS INTO SCHOOLS'
*ROMNEY SAYS PRESIDENT'S PATH WOULD HAVE U.S. TOWARDS GREECE

Overall: (ironic subliminal word groupings: Nuclear Military Get World, Sure People Want World Make America, and Just Years)

 

Word-Counts:

Romney 8,745 words - a debate record for him - for a pace of 213 words per minutes - just shy of his record-breaking pace of Debate #1. It would seem "WORLD", America, and military played an important role in his evening's discussion with Iran (23) > Pakistan (15) > Israel (14) and 3x Centrifuges...

 

Obama's 7,740 words once again lagged Romneys and his pace decidely slower at more "I...I...I..." dominated 185 words per minute. It seemed 'making sure' and 'leadership' were his buzzwords but the key areas for discussion (in order of importance) by instances: Iran (20); China (18); Israel (17); Pakistan (4); Mali (2); Africa (1); Europe (1)

 

and Europe scored a perfect 'nill points' on the Global foreign policy discussions... (though Romney mentioned Greece twice)

 

So Romney wins word-count and talking-speed, Obama wins time-spoken and drinking-game... 2-2 and tie is broken by Intrade odds rising by around 2% - the winner and still the incumbent - Barack Obama...

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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:50 | 2911609 Debtonation
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If Obama's relected, long guns and body armor

If Romney's elected, long Molotov Cocktails, short parked cars

No matter who's elected, long gold and silver

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:55 | 2911618 Alpo for Granny
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No matter who is elected, Goldman wins...

Long muppet stew.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:56 | 2911623 Alpo for Granny
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Sorry I meant installed not elected...

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:00 | 2911639 economics9698
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Boring assed Yid moderated debate (with the goium acting on their behalf) where the Yids kept the focus on foreign policy and off the fucked up economy we have had with the moocher in chief at the helm.  What can we expect from these sick fucks running our banks and media?  

 

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:19 | 2911686 otto skorzeny
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ironic- a sociopatic murderer defending a people that are the antithesis of the term

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:24 | 2911698 old naughty
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What else do you expect? What CAN you expect?

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:27 | 2911708 JPM Hater001
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Most under used word in the debate- Israel.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:28 | 2911711 flacon
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Was it just me, or did that moderator refer to Bin Laden as "OBAMA"? I could have sworn he had the tongue stabbing moment of his life when he said that!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:00 | 2912285 flacon
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Ok I found it:

Presidential Debate: Bob Schieffer Makes the Obama-Osama Gaffe


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wORKqmwLKCk

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:33 | 2911728 hampsterwheel
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It is amazing to witness a presidental candidate talk about removing the head of a sovereign State (Assad) and replacing him with a government friendly to the US - so matter of factly - like its no big deal - can someone explain to me how that is any different than when Japan marched into China? Or Germany into Austria?

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:38 | 2911739 john39
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Because the U.S. is spreading democracy, freedom and the rule of law.....   (/s, just for those still alseep).

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 08:20 | 2912157 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Because, as all correct-thinking people know, the US is The Good Guys®.

(...and if you believe that, you probably vote D or R and think that your vote makes a difference.)

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 13:11 | 2913147 Clashfan
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Three great comments in a row there. Love you folks on these threads. TY

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:39 | 2911742 otto skorzeny
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the world is a chess board for the CIA to fuck up

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:57 | 2911780 Spirit Of Truth
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Russia's the grand master in this global chess game of Real Politik.  The CIA stands for "Central Incompetence Agency" (or "Completely Incompetent A--holes") in this regard.

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/05/russias-secret-war-plans.html

You all will recognize this "after the fact"....that is if you're still breathing.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 04:04 | 2911971 Zwelgje
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Crooks In Action

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 08:24 | 2912161 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Or, with regard to Spirit of Truth, Kooks In Action.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 05:45 | 2912009 kentmills
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Spirit - nice find. Just when I start feeling confident in my world view - you go and post this. Thanks, I think.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 08:37 | 2912195 AnAnonymous
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can someone explain to me how that is any different than when Japan marched into China? Or Germany into Austria?

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Easily. They were not 'americans'

'Americans' know what is good for humanity as a whole (natural rights theory) and speak on behalf of humanity since 1776, July, 4th.

'Americans' sacrifice themselves for the welfare of human kind.

'Americans' have transformed the essence of extorting the weak and farming the poor.

The burden of such activity is no longer on the shoulders of the extorted and the farmed. The burden has shifted on the shoulders of the extorters and the farmers. In the 'american' way of doing things, they get the wrong end of the shaft.

This is an 'american' world and a US world order.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:40 | 2911752 SWIFT 760
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Sorry to get off topic but the lid is blowing off the German gold scandel...

http://www.gata.org/node/11851

 

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:55 | 2911619 golfrattt
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Make mine Gold BULLION minus the Tungsten, please..

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:54 | 2911621 cherry picker
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I give up

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:54 | 2911622 grunk
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I disagree with Schieffer.

I don't like teachers.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:57 | 2911634 ACP
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It's funny how the Socialist countries with the worst financial situations have the "best educational systems."

Makes you wonder why that is.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:02 | 2911650 economics9698
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Socialist love brainwashing. 

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:22 | 2911689 LetThemEatRand
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Need I remind you that you are a government contractor?  Does that mean you don't have a brain to wash?  

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 03:14 | 2911947 Burnbright
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No, it just means he knows where the easy money is.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 13:20 | 2913185 Clashfan
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Well it sure isn't in teaching. And if people think that everyone who goes into teaching does it to brainwash folks, they're wrong.

Try looking into the secret societies some more before bashing teachers, folks. There are many ss folks in the ranks of the educational system, trust me.

I've noticed that anyone who falls for the divide and conquer meme of bashing teachers' unions always admits (publicly or at least to himself or herself) that he or she wouldn't do the job, especially in some vile, urban shithole.

Secret societies infiltrate certain institutions for certain reasons. Believe it or not, not all teachers teach for the goal of molding young ones for the NWO or to parasitically suck money from a broken system. Some of us are trying to teach logical structure while fostering independent thought. It can be a very honorable and important profession, and some of us make truly awful pay for a lot of hard work and little respect.

 

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:23 | 2911695 q99x2
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They don't work as much and enjoy the life they were born into.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:31 | 2911721 otto skorzeny
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the socialists are good at turning out civil servants that are basically automatons.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 00:06 | 2911794 walküre
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like FBI, DHS, TSA goons

no common sense, no brains there

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 00:29 | 2911820 cranky-old-geezer
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You could say the same thing about 99% of American sheeple.  99% of them would take one of those government jobs in a heartbeat.

I don't care who gets elected.  Americans deserve whichever one they get.

There's no way this government will ever be put back on the right track.  It must collapse and die.  Then we can start over, assuming the nation survives.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:56 | 2911624 knukles
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(face in hands, small childlike sobs)

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:57 | 2911630 RmcAZ
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Gary Johnson 2012

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:04 | 2911655 economics9698
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I second that.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:23 | 2911692 LetThemEatRand
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Do you have another job lined up, government contractor?

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:31 | 2911720 LetThemEatRand
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Fuck both parties, parrot.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:33 | 2911727 otto skorzeny
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we know how you libs don't really have a whole lot of respect for private property- you  know-with your penchant for collectivism. in fact-some day you may be able to move into a nice house like the Reds did in "Dr. Zhivago".

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:37 | 2911737 LetThemEatRand
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I just want to stop paying taxes to pay the salary of economics9698, and probably you.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:41 | 2911753 otto skorzeny
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actually- my tax bracket is smack dab in the middle of the one that pays the price for not being in the 1% or the 47%-so I'm F-ed.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:47 | 2911762 LetThemEatRand
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So why do you up arrow a government contractor (economics9698)?

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:49 | 2911770 otto skorzeny
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how do you know that he is?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 00:12 | 2911805 LetThemEatRand
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He admitted it months ago.  Ask him.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:56 | 2911631 Antifederalist
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I am a fascist war monger.

No, no ,no, I am the fascist war monger.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 22:57 | 2911632 nestle
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Trade War with China is the way to go!!

Go Romney!!

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:05 | 2911664 economics9698
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Yes I agree, let kick the shit out of the landlord and we will see how that ends.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 23:30 | 2911723 LetThemEatRand
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Does it bother you that the Chinese pay your salary, government contractor economics9698?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 03:18 | 2911950 Burnbright
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You are a special kind of crazy to follow around the poster above you and reply to everything he says. I might suggest Rand that you not act like a psycho.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!