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Cartoon Comedy Or Concerned Criticism: Pick Your Favorite Debate Post-Mortem

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The debates are over; and perhaps last night's 'chat' was the least interesting from any substantive angle of any of the interactions given the candidates tendency to agree on virtually everything (apart from bayonets) - and still say absolutely nothing. In the interests of being fair and balanced - as we always are - we present two sides of this epic farce. First, the Asian animated interpretation - for some light-hearted insight into just how our potential leaders are perceived across the ocean after last night's debate; and second, a more retrospective view by Ben Tanosborn on the three 'meaningless' debates - and the questions that should have been asked.

 

Our Asian brethren reflect - in 90 seconds - on the agreements and occasional disagreement of last night's debate

 

and a more thought-provoking (perhaps) reality check on our political process...

Via Tanosborn.com: US Elections: Three Meaningless Political Debates

Holy debates, Obatman!  For all the personal dislike for each other said to exist between these two ordained priests of American capitalism – often misidentified as Free Market Enterprise – Mitt Romney and Barack Obama have shown to be equally adept at dealing with trivia and secondary issues… and equally inept at dealing with every substantive issue.

 

Their polemical theatrics have not tackled head on any of the significant issues affecting the nation’s direction – assuming there is a charted course we’re navigating – by way of any specific domestic or foreign policy.  And that unequivocally affects the nation’s viability in the short, medium and long term.

 

Perhaps substantive matters are not meant to be debated, lest debaters be found out in either deceit or ignorance.  Montaigne said it best when he wrote, “Men only debate and question of the branch, not of the tree.”  [Essays II.xii.] And all three debates have been about the branches and foliage… and not once about the tree (our nation) and our need to diagnose its health, and if found to be diseased, propose a plan of cure.  But the duopoly has chosen for us two arborists who either lack mastery in the field or, the most likely reason, lie to the public for motives which are personally or politically expeditious.  That’s the price Americans must pay for their corrupt two-party system.

 

It would have been helpful if there had been meaningful questions asked of the candidates to the presidency by either the moderator or a select panel of experts; or if the candidates had exhibited vision and/or courage to bring to the debate – something totally absent in all three debates; questions not just for the candidates to answer, but for the voter to better understand what is at stake in this election.  Why do we maintain this political taboo that forces us not to look at ourselves, our institutions or our imperial, undemocratic form of government? Is it our Americentricity?

 

Only the idealistic among us would expect, no, require, that transcendental issues be addressed by the candidates.  Issues such as: the unconstitutional power-ascendancy of the Supreme Court; the obscene influence that money has on elections; the question of universal healthcare or the sacrosanctity of social security; or why we insist on being an empire with a quarter of the world under our protection.  However, there were other critical issues of interest to most voters that weren’t touched, or where direct answers were not demanded from the two candidates, such as:

 

If our level of consumption continues to exceed, and by a considerable amount, our level of production, what remedial options do we have other than to keep on borrowing ad infinitum?   But that’s a topic no politician would dare touch.  Yet, isn’t Greece really a 1/30th scale economic model of the US?  Then, why do we point the finger at Greece as a mismanaged economy, or at the EU as a welfare model, when we should be pointing that finger at the US with a de facto bankrupt economy?

 

Why do the candidates talk about bringing back those good paying manufacturing jobs when we know for a fact that most manufacturing jobs now being created pay only half as much… and that the jobs which were exported during the past three decades are gone… gone… forever gone?  That globalization is a fact of capitalism totally embraced by business and government during the last two decades, Democrats and Republicans holding hands on this issue?  Is either candidate in favor of reverting to the economic model of protectionism (tariffs, etc.)? 

 

Can either candidate answer why government fails to address economic problems in a timely manner, waiting until it’s irremediable late?  Such as accounting for short-funding of state pensions (one trillion), or the eventual cataclysm in student loans (one trillion), or the eventual rescuing of municipalities and conniving banks (again), or the unfunded costs of taking care of our own victim-heroes of the new expeditionary wars.

 

How can a fully matured economy such as the United States afford a national debt which is likely to exceed during the next presidential cycle the nation’s GDP by more than 25 percent?  I fear that Standard and Poor’s recent credit downgrade of the US is far too small and accommodating, tainted perhaps by misguided patriotism.

 

And in foreign policy, for all the talk by both candidates in addressing the problems besetting the Middle East, they both failed miserably in identifying the key to success for the US: helping, insisting, forcing a solution in the creation of a 2-state Palestine.  The United States will not attain credibility with the people in the Middle East unless and until Palestinians are given a fair deal.  Yet Palestinian claims did not enter the debate, only Israel’s concern with Iran attaining nuclear capability.

 

Here we are two weeks before Election Day and we are told that the election is too close to call, that either Obama or Romney could win the election.  Well, perhaps the winner cannot be predicted, but we know for sure who the loser will be: Americans… all Americans except for those who are part of the Thug-elite.

 

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Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:48 | 2912462 RSloane
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I don't know anyone who watched the debate last night. We were flipping channels between two much better games.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:50 | 2912472 jomama
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i just read the ZH comments.  much more entertaining and relevant to reality.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:53 | 2912481 MillionDollarBonus_
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I feel sorry for politicians. It’s seems like not a day goes by without the press hammering an elected official for some ‘scandal’ or ‘secretive deal’. How can a politicians focus on running the country when they constantly have to watch their backs? Politicians have been forced to live up to an unattainable standard of moral excellence, and it’s not fair. It’s not fair on the politicians, and it’s not fair on the citizens who expect politicians to focus on providing us with healthcare, retirement plans and world class infrastructure. Is it a crime to be a politician? Is it a crime to dedicate your life to helping others? When will the media give politicians a break?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:59 | 2912507 Dr. Richard Head
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I feel sorry for the rubes that look at the left hand and right hand, but fail to realize that both hands belong to the oligarchy.  How can people think they are making a decision when both candidates mirror each other so often?  People have bene forced to ignore reason and logic to believe they have a horse in this race, and it's not fiar.  It's not fair for the people, and it's not fair for the brown people both politics want to bomb. 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:58 | 2912747 azzhatter
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I'm thinking MDB's right hand is occupied most of the time. Or is he a left hander?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:37 | 2912873 Chupacabra-322
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@ azzhatter,

he actually jerks it with one and uses the other one to stick a finger in his ass at the same time while having a gag ball strapped to his face.  He's a Gimp.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 13:03 | 2913130 caconhma
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HAARETZ

 

ISRAEL NEWS

BREAKING NEWS

 

Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel

 

Survey, conducted by Dialog on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, exposes anti-Arab, ultra-nationalist views espoused by a majority of Israeli Jews.

 

By Gideon Levy|23.10.12

Most of the Jewish public in Israel supports the establishment of an apartheid regime in Israel if it formally annexes the West Bank.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 12:03 | 2912938 aces and eights
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Our rigged electoral system and MSM do a fantastic job supressing the ideas of minor party candidates and disregarding independent voters. The Commission on Presidential Debates is the private organization that sponsors all mainstream debates, and they execute private debate contracts with the two major parties to sanatize the debates. The money behind CPD this year is Anheuser-Busch, Southwest Airlines, Howard G Buffett Foundation (Warren's eldest son), International Bottled Water Association, Sheldon Cohen, Crowell & Moring, and the Kovler Fund (http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=national-debate-sponsors). 

Watch the third-party debate tonight at 9pm ET, broadcast live on RT, Ora.tv, Al Jazeera, Link TV, and www.freeandequal.org. Gary Johnson, Jill Stein (Green), Virgil Goode (Constitution) and Rocky Anderson (Justice) are participating, with Larry King moderating. 

RT's promo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPCN274E7W8

Larry King / Ora.tv promo: http://www.ora.tv/newsbreaker/exclusive-video-larry-king-talks-3rd-party-presidential-debate-0_xh4cu656

Cheers :) 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 12:07 | 2912976 optimator
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With a hundred to one chance of attaining the presidency, Ron Paul made a lot of work for them, and a lot of worry.  Good thing,for them, they nipped him in the bud.  Imagine, auditing the FED and peeking behind the curtain? 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:15 | 2913600 NaN
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It's good to see the other parties having a separate debate; it's a start.  

The debate concept as a decision support method has been successively watered down and neutralized over the years into a no-impact marketing event. By focusing only on the top two candidates, the organizers (CPD) make it safe.  I'm sure the candidates can rival the idiosyncrasies of rock star "no green M+Ms" performance contracts.  Eventually it will be a meet and greet.  

In short, 

A Farce, of a Charade, of a Scam.


Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:11 | 2912538 Ol Man
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"When will the media give politicians a break?"

...snicker and GUFFAW!!!...

 

;)

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:23 | 2912591 AGuy
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Agreed! Its getting tough for Politicians to lie to the people with impossible campaign promises and still shake down the public for thier own personal benefit. One of these days, a candidate is going to "Jump the Shark" and the American people are going to wise up! Well, perhaps that is an exaggeration. After all, the American people continue to dumb down themselves, and we have a crappy public education system that helps prevent critical thinking.

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:55 | 2912739 unrulian
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weak

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 12:19 | 2913011 knukles
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Have ya'll ever considered cloning yourself with Paul Krugman?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:34 | 2912869 Chupacabra-322
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They could stage a four hour debate between these two suit sellouts to the NWO and they could promise voters anything in the world. THERE IS ONLY ONE PROBLEM: MOST INTELLIGENT PEOPLE DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. It was a NON-CREDIBLE DEBATE between two suit dummies.

The only difference between these two assholes is the color of their skin. As if there would be any difference in their foreign policy. Ha! What an fucking joke. Birds of a feather. Our foreign policy has been the same for decades! There is zero difference between red or blue, jack ass or elephant , republican or democ……… Ah, what the hell! I’m preaching to the ….

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 13:21 | 2913188 dugorama
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I thought Mittens comment that he would increase foreign aid was worth noting.  Was he trying to get to the left of Obama?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:53 | 2912464 vast-dom
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Obamney: giving new meaning to JEOPARDY 

 

(how much longer can the SP be pumped twice it's value? when will the coordinated naked short HFT's take down SP below 600?) 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:55 | 2912490 Nothing To See Here
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A : We are the two faces of the same coin, or the two heads of the same party, giving a show for the zombified masses who think we offer a choice.

Q : What is Obamney?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:17 | 2912566 Arkadaba
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Tweedledee and Tweedledum

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:50 | 2912470 Dr. Engali
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I don't know who won the debate, but I know it wasn't the American people.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:58 | 2912499 RSloane
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Winner: Israel

Loser: Iran

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:05 | 2912523 Dr. Engali
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That is very true.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:38 | 2912885 Chupacabra-322
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@ RSloane,

don't you mean, winner Zionist's?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:42 | 2913373 earleflorida
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fact I: it takes 50k +/+ p2 centrifuges to produce weapons [fissile] grade uranium...

,not 10k as said, last night!

fact II: iran ain't got no-more than 15k!

http://www.iranwatch.org/privateviews/NPEC/perspex-npec-iranbreakout.htm

http://www.fissilematerials.org/blog/2010/06/

 

 

*** article 6/4/10 @  IPFM Blog -- india increasing enrichment capacity developing new centrifuges 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:00 | 2912510 Dr. Richard Head
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I'm tweeting that shit.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:01 | 2912511 Dr. Richard Head
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I'm tweeting that shit.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:53 | 2912474 otto skorzeny
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I thought they were running for PM of Israel the way those 2 Zionist ball-lickers spent the night gushing over how far they would go to defend The Chosen People.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:00 | 2912504 Unprepared
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I almost saw a tear coming down Mr. (Ehud) Barack's eye reciting the story of his visit to the memorial and to the poor settler victims of Hamas attacks.

 

Very touching.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:14 | 2912550 francis_sawyer
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Didn't last long though... so many torture victims ~ so little time...

~~~

http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:16 | 2912559 helping_friendl...
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I thought Mittens was the leader of the chosen people?

Now I'm confused!

How can the magic underpants cult and the Jews both be the chosen?

There can only be one! right?

This is so much fun. 

Just wait and see how far down the next prez. will have to bow during their next homage to Bejing!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_c3WtQv44wGc/Sw4rbYooftI/AAAAAAAAB7E/gECL1q3_cl...

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:26 | 2912601 francis_sawyer
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My propaganda God is stronger than your propaganda God...

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:51 | 2912476 jimijon
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I love those political cartoonest... Anyone want to start one here in the states? I can help.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:56 | 2912494 Dexter Morgan
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Debate Bitchez!!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:57 | 2912495 Inthemix96
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And I thought we over here had isreal fever bad.

What the fuck is it with America and protecting the zionist aparthied state of isreal?  Just what in fucks name do you lot get for your bucks eh?

Either one of these two daft cunts is going to be running your country into the ground for the next four years and all they care about is if isreal is OK???

What the fuck is all this about?  You lot not care that you make the British look bi-partisan at the least?  When is your elected representative for the whole fucking world, going to put you lot first instead of the shit in the middle east then?

And they have the nerve to call this a fucking election??????????

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:08 | 2912533 Nothing To See Here
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Each and every collectivist regime in history has needed to create an outside ennemy in order to bring the populace to ignore the local misery created by the regime and to support the collectivization of efforts, centralization of power and the idea of shared sacrifice. In the USA's case, the continuous ennemy is simply fabricated through Isreal along the "our friend's ennemy is our ennemy" storyline.

War and conflict are necessary symptoms of socialism.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:29 | 2912620 nofluer
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1984 arrived right on time. Now, correct me if I have this wrong, but was it just yesterday that Russia used to be our enemy and China was "opening up" and becoming our (most favored nation) friend? And today it is china's war-like posturing that we have to worry about while Obama sucks sweets at Putin's house?

I wonder if the Ministry of Truth has openings? Hell - *I* could do that.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:42 | 2912682 Nothing To See Here
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1984 was spot on, indeed

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:39 | 2912883 helping_friendl...
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1984 was the subject of my senior term paper in HS in 1982.

How about Brazil? The movie that is.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:20 | 2913608 FrankDrakman
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You are not allowed to discuss the film "Brazil" unless you submit a form 27b/6, filled out in quadruplicate (carbon copies OK but no bug smears, please).

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 08:39 | 2921035 helping_friendl...
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Nice! Well done!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:38 | 2912849 optimator
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H.G. Wells book, made into the movie Things to Come, was even more futuristic.  Airmen ruling the globe, putting down anyone in their way.  Great movie.  Now I know who they meant were the airmen.

Full movie is on the Web, very well done for 1935  http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=things+to+come+motion+picture&view=detail&mid=DD525CF8B8F6BFE54971DD525CF8B8F6BFE54971&first=0&qpvt=things+to+come+motion+picture

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:14 | 2912548 asteroids
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Do you ever wonder why the rest of the world looks upon Americans with disdain?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:22 | 2912586 Inthemix96
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Asteroids.

No we dont.  Never have and never will.  Not your fault you have the same cocksuckers as we have over here.  We have no fucking say the same as you lot.  Every American I have ever met was pretty much the same as me, bitching about things we dont think we can change.  What we need is for folk to realise we are all just fucking folk, going about our day to day while being shafted by isreal first cunts who have no idea how us other fuckers live.

This is why the interwebs will be shut down.  Us plebs are finding out where the top boys prioritys lie, and it aint us mate.

Prepare accordingly friend.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:30 | 2912630 john39
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Zionists have a similar grip on the EU, Australia and Canada...  letting them get control of the money printing presses was one of the biggest mistakes that humanity has made (to date).  Not stopping them from starting WWIII is next on the horizon.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:00 | 2912757 unrulian
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biggest mistake of humanity.....petrodollar

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:35 | 2912872 helping_friendl...
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The petro-dollar was the only option after Nixon took us off the gold standard and is why we wage war to preserve it. 

If the petro-dollar is usurped by other currency Treasurys will be worthless.

Is that what you want?

hahahahahaha

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:26 | 2913629 unrulian
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they are worthless

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:41 | 2912672 Inthemix96
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Two junks?

Come on then boys.  Prove me wrong that both of the cock sucking arseholes you have for a president do NOT put the aparthied state of isreal before America.  Come on then clever cunts, did you not listen to the debates then?  What fucking right has either of the two cheap suits presented to be the most powerful man in the world have putting the rights of a forgien country above the rights and wishes of their own country then?  You fucking cowards.  What you want my American friends is a bloke who will tell isreal and the rest of the world to fuck off, leave you alone and put your own god damn people first.

Fuck these two clowns.  You are going to find out the hard way, and you lot want to wake up and do something about it.  Put fucking America first for fucks sake.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:25 | 2912838 optimator
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two red arrows?  Wait till Megaphone send their minions to ZH.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:37 | 2913659 PhilofOz
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Megaphone? Is that the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:17 | 2913601 phyuckyiu
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I would never dream of giving Father Guido Sarducci a down vote. Most likely it's just a few hasbara trolls, upset that we are discussing the contest last night of who can deep throat Zionist cock better.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 09:56 | 2912496 firstdivision
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I see that Mitt's friends are out in full-force today pushing the markets down right before the election.  Kind of amusing how the market levitates on bad earnings for years, but when the 1%'ers want to change an administration; suddenly there's actual selling on dismal earnings.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:00 | 2912502 AynRandFan
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It's a vast right wing conspiracy.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:01 | 2912513 firstdivision
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Not left or right wing, more of the have's wanting to change things their way.  But you keep believing there's a difference between the left and right there chief.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:07 | 2912532 RSloane
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You mentioned Mitt's friends first. He was responding in kind.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:12 | 2912543 Nothing To See Here
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Kinda paradoxal to pretend on the one hand that there is no difference between left and right, while on the second hand, you imagine that Mitt's friends are out against Barry's friends...

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:22 | 2912584 RSloane
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That's what I got from firstdivision's initial post as well.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:59 | 2912755 Zadok
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Cog-dis!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:12 | 2912546 firstdivision
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oh, you mean Mitt's friends that were 4-years ago donating to the Obama campagin.  Those damn right wingers!  Keep up with reality please.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:58 | 2912748 Zadok
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It used to be fun when the illusion of a 'market' was intact and before the stole all my currency, money, and wealth. Now it just pisses me off, that and the people still living within the illusion!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:19 | 2912527 helping_friendl...
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Keep it up! I'm triple leveraged short the SnP and I am loving this!!!!!

Keep killing the markets!!!!!

My PTRAX seems to go up when the market goes down and that is where in 401a money resides.

Come on lucky 888! I know you can do it HTFs!

Now that Bernanke is going to quit they will have to decimate the market to employ their new regime!

+1 for you division. The rest of the jooh trolls here can kiss my ass!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:33 | 2912651 nofluer
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ExQuizMe. But exactly WHAT makes you think that someone has to PUSH the Stock Market DOWN? Equities have been on a drunken roll for years - staggering all over the street and sidewalk, just looking for a pot hole deep enough to fall into.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:23 | 2913613 FrankDrakman
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It's only 3:20 EDT; wait for the ramp into close..

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:01 | 2912512 The Gooch
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Black Tuesday, bitchez.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:03 | 2912517 ebworthen
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"Well, perhaps the winner cannot be predicted, but we know for sure who the loser will be: Americans… all Americans except for those who are part of the Thug-elite."

Yup, if only we could convince all those with conviction that their vote is going to change everything.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 12:54 | 2913103 Milestones
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No, Ex Pats if  =they are in the right country; and they got lots of $$$ out of here.        Milestones

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 13:00 | 2913122 Milestones
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No, Ex Pats if  =they are in the right country; and they got lots of $$$ out of here.        Milestones

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:08 | 2912528 AynRandFan
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Instead of Bob Schieffer, why didn't they just hire Charlie Gibson so that the bias would be delivered in pure sarcastic tones?  At least that would have been more entertaining.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:20 | 2912822 optimator
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It would have been more entertaining were Natan Yahoo the moderator.  It  would have been the best pilot for a TV situation comedy ever.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:28 | 2912847 helping_friendl...
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Howard Stern would have been appropriate.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:23 | 2913621 FrankDrakman
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Next cycle's debate moderators:

Dennis Miller

Ricky Gervais

Lewis Black (if he hasn't had a heart attack by then)

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:08 | 2912529 Miss Expectations
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Obama   "I am Israel's Bitch."

Romney  "I am Israel's Bitch, too."

Voting for either, you will have blood on your hands.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:18 | 2912565 Nothing To See Here
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Democrats : "We don't care if we go to war as long as our candidate pretends he won't go"

Republicans : "We know both candidates are war-mongers but it has to be our guy who does it"

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:07 | 2912531 Vidar
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Decent article but a "2-state" solution in Israel is a pipe dream. The only solution is to give all the people living under the Israeli gov't equal rights. The apartheid concept of a "Jewish State" and a "Palestinian State" will never work.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:35 | 2912652 Cortez the Killer
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wrong

the only solution is to nuke the mullahs and vaporize hezbollah

The Pallies then might actually fall into line, choose peace and turn gaza into a mediteranean singapore.  

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:18 | 2912816 optimator
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I almost down arrowed you, but ended up giving you the green arrow.  If the wind is blowing the right way the world's biggest problem will be solved forever.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:17 | 2912817 otto skorzeny
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on your knees for your Israeli masters

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:43 | 2913695 NaN
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For the entrenched interests, the only thing worse than long, persistent conflict, is NOT having a long, persistent conflict. 

A one-state solution might be inevitable, considering how long second class citizenship can persist.

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:09 | 2912535 Acet
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Look, I'm sorry for you Americans but all that this boils down to it that you're going to get another 4 years of being screwed up the backside, with the only really choice being which flavour of condom would you rather have.

As an European you'll get no pitty from me. Around here we have our own problems, but at least our sodomizer-in-master is a big-breasted German woman.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:01 | 2912766 Zadok
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Wow, that really makes me feel better for you!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 12:55 | 2913109 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Acet said:

Look, I'm sorry for you Americans but all that this boils down to it that you're going to get another 4 years of being screwed up the backside, with the only really choice being which flavour of condom would you rather have.

Within living memory, that's how presidential elections have always been here in the Goatse States of America.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:12 | 2912545 nofluer
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My pre-debate opinions were confirmed. Obama still hates the USA and white people and is bent on the USA's destruction. Romney doesn't seem to hate the USA or white people but would probably still destroy the nation via benign neglect while his people rape, loot and pilage it for his masters. (It seems to me that they both work for the same overlords. So all this election is about is who gets the fancy office with windows and a garden outside.)

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:16 | 2912555 Arkadaba
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Comment from a friend (not a US citizen) on last night's debate:

"At what point in American history did the presidency hinge upon who was the most avid supporter of another country."

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:23 | 2912592 nope-1004
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Answer:  Ever since the '80's when the banks were deregulated and allowed to rule the world.

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:51 | 2912720 machineh
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Don't forget the Mainstream Media and the odd ethnic skew of its management ...

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:50 | 2912917 Ckierst1
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No. Answer: Ever since the US Progressive Era (sooner perhaps?) decided we had a "special relationship" with the British.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:34 | 2912644 madcows
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When we became totally dependent upon foreign countries lending us our benny bucks.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:20 | 2912573 helping_friendl...
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Long pitchforks!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:22 | 2912587 fiddy pence haf...
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It's a dead heat, we're TOLD. Two -horse race with genetically-identical horses, one white, the other black.

That's only so Romney can win it, after the buzzer. It has been decided, or soon will be.

Check the twittersphere around certain political capitols, outside the US.  

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:24 | 2912596 helping_friendl...
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Dude!

The Diebold machines were programmed at the last Bilderburger Conference!

Get with the program!

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:10 | 2912792 nofluer
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Yah! I remember Mr Diebold telling Mr Bush that he sure didn't have to worry about winning Ohio! (Or was that Napoli?? Eh. Doesn't matter.)

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 06:07 | 2915193 omniversling
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Princeton University Exposes Diebold Flaws - YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZws98jw67g

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:27 | 2912611 Vince Clortho
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Debate would have been much more entertaining if it were staged in an octagon with the two participants clothed in shorts and armed with pointy sticks.

An added bonus would be ditching the moderator.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:51 | 2912716 Chaos_Theory
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Gonna be funny as hell if this thing ends in a near tie and court cases throwing out votes, followed a couple of months later by the Black Robes conjuring up the white smoke for the winner.   It'll be like the end of "Strange Days" movie.

Long 40 S&W 165 gram HP and baseball bats...

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:16 | 2912808 JR
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Who won the debate? Israel. Who was the warmonger last night? Obama and Romney. Where is America’s foreign policy headed after the election? Ask Netanyahu. What do Americans have to expect from the next president, whoever he is? That’s the easiest question to answer of all. War.

Justin Raimondo of Antiwar.com asks facetiously, “Someone is working awfully hard to destabilize the Middle East right before a crucial American presidential election. I wonder who that might be.”

As regards “the phony Iranian nuclear ‘crisis,’” Raimondo acknowledges that the Iranians “are all too aware of the Israel lobby’s ability to squelch efforts to reach a peaceful settlement,” with Tehran agreeing “to talks only after the election, on the grounds that they don’t know whom they’ll be dealing with in the White House come January.”

“The question is,’ says Raimondo, “will those talks ever take place? Because if they don’t, there is reason to believe the next step is war.”

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/10/21/before-the-election-a-pattern-of-provocations/

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:34 | 2912867 earnyermoney
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The war's already started between Iran and the US. First theater of battle is Syria.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:49 | 2912910 Winston Churchill
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Really.The war started long ago.

When was the last time the US actually formally declared war ?

Think it was 1941 against Japan.Germany and Italy declared war on the US.

Whole lot of fighting , and dying since the considering we were at peace.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 13:38 | 2913224 JR
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There are 74 million people in Iran, a nation that has neither attacked nor invaded any country as an aggressor in the past 300 years. Now, because of the Zionist domination of America and America’s domination of European politicians, the West has joined together with its allies in crippling….CRIPPLING…sanctions against these innocent people.

Because Iran may have been interested in defending itself against the Israeli bulldozer throughout the Middle East, the Nobel Prize winning European Union has joined hands in a kumbaya peaceful moment to further cripple the children and poor people of the Persian homeland, with its foreign ministers adopting on Oct. 15 a raft of new sanctions against Iran. 

Reuter has confirmed that this blatant hostage-taking by inhumane sanctions has made Iran unable to import basic commodities, including foodstuff and medical supplies for dying hospital patients.

And still, a neo-conservative member of the United States House of Representatives, Bradley James Sherman, one of the strongest advocates of U.S.-Israeli relations, cruelly condones the inhumanity: “Critics [of the sanctions] argued that these measures will hurt the Iranian people. Quite frankly, we need to do just that.”

It is time for Americans to begin to protect themselves against the current foreign takeover of Washington by organizing supplies, munitions, and Minutemen who can be ready at a minute’s notice for a just rebellion as has been done in America's past historical resistance for independence, described by John Locke as “being properly a state of war, wherein the appeal lies only to Heaven,” when the people have exhausted every other last resort.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:17 | 2912813 Monedas
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The debates were pretty good .... there is always room for improvement .... let China, Iran, North Korea, Syria and assorted pig socialist states .... show us how they can do it better ?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:32 | 2912821 Monedas
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Democracy is working if:   1.  Monsters like Hitler, Stalin and Mao are passed over !   2.  Power is passed peacefully !       Wouldn't the Syrians love to have what we take for granted ?     As usual Capitalism and Democracy get a proctology exam .... while socialism suffers on ?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:29 | 2912850 shovelhead
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Well, somebody's got to get it, so it might as well be the country that keeps the AIPAC 'suggestion list' money flowing from pocket to pocket.

Sucks to be you, Iran.

Fucking with the petro-buck is a guaranteed loser. Making faces at Israel just clinches the deal.

(singsong) You're gonna get it. Nannah nannah nannah.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:56 | 2912931 Winston Churchill
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The Iranian support of Hezbollah is more to the point.

Israel is out of water, and needs south Lebanons' .Got to take out Hezbollah's  ally

first.Or even better get the US to.The US has the Iranian abandonment of the petrodollar

as its primary driver.Games within games.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 11:59 | 2912939 SilverSavant
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Love the way MDB shows a few ZH are clued in, while most don't even know what a clue is.   The nice thought is that he will serve as an example of the "standard shit serving sheeple shafters" and people will start to wonder what a clue is. 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 12:25 | 2913020 dark pools of soros
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I didn't watch this debate but it seems that clip sums up exactly what happened - puppet show

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 12:38 | 2913064 OutLookingIn
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Some choice!!!

Between shit & shineola.

Meaningless.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:37 | 2914883 Joseph Jones
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Per Obama: Prior to the last election he visited the so-called site of a "holocaustianty" shrine in Israel.  Such shrine is government-institutionalized religious sacralism because Israelis are a self-proclaimed "race".

Because, the myth-lie goes, Germans intentionally and systematically murdered X number of Jews/Israelis, God and Country and all Social and Criminal law and all moral and ethical code mandates the USA's "unbreakable bond" with these self-identified "Jews". 

Jews who practice the most evolved bigotry and racism extant, to the point of outlawing any Palestinian from citizenship.  To the point of a "Jewish" government bureaucrat with sole non-reviewable power to assign who is actually a "jew" and who is not.  Hint: most of you who think you are a Jew would never legally pass muster you stupid schmucks.   

Let's try another version of this hatred/bigotry/racism: a nation the USA blesses and protects to the point of nuclear annhilation any enemy.  A nation that, let's say, allows only blue-eyed blond persons to become citizens.  A nation that by written code prohibites any black or person of color from citizenship.

Let's see how far this nation gets before it's laughed off the face of the earth, or blown to smitherens by the same USA that protects Israel at all costs.

Now, regarding our relationship with Israel, the "Synagogue of Satan" per the Bible, Rev. 2:9 and 3:9:  The USA signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NNPT).  Per USA Constitution, any signed Treaty is part of and protected by and equal to the Constitution.

The NNPT states all signatories (again, the USA is signatory) agree to ban all nuclear-armed non-signatory nations.  Such describes:

Israel (God's "chosenites" but they got 300 nuclear weapons in their hip pocket, you know, like, for backup, just in case God is on vacation that day in Palestine or Malaysia, or maybe Vermont)

Pakistan

India

So, by Consitutional Law, the USA's relationship with the three nations above is purely and solely and only illegal all the time, without exception.  You stupid, foolish goyim.  You must enjoy being the laughing stock of the Rabbis.     

 

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