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Guest Post: Debt & Obesity

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Debt & Obesity

The waistline bubble began to expand at just about the same time as the debt bubble:

First, it’s important emphasise that correlation is not causation — more than 99% of murderers have consumed water in the twenty four hour period preceding a murder. But it is clear that the effects of globalisation are at play in both cases (simply because globalisation has transformed the American economy) – far fewer Americans have to do physically demanding manufacturing work, and thanks to the mechanisation of agriculture and food production there are far more calories-per-American available to consume.

The interesting difference between debt and obesity is that while it is possible from historical evidence to construct a fairly coherent model linking excess outgrowth in debt with recession and depression — for example, I conjecture that a depression becomes inevitable when debt service cost growth consistently outpaces income growth  — there is no such historical evidence available for obesity, because there has never in known world history been an obesity epidemic of such proportion, so there is no way to know how the obesity bubble may burst.

To what extent do the healthcare overheads of an obesity epidemic act as a drag on economic growth? According to an estimate by the CDC, $147 billion.

How much of a drag on the real economy is supporting those who have dropped out of the labour force due to obesity-related illness like diabetes, fatigue, depression and cardiovascular illness?

Well, we know that in the years that obesity has been exploding, that the disabled proportion of the workforce has almost tripled:

That’s almost 9 million individuals receiving Federal disability — almost six million more than we would have if the number of those receiving Federal disability was proportionate to the numbers at the beginning of the Ford administration. And if each disabled worker was contributing the per-capita average of $46,546 to GDP, the US would be producing roughly $279 billion more output. Even if only half of the increase is associated with obesity (a very, very, very conservative estimate) that equates to around $140 billion of  lost output. That — especially when considered next to the healthcare costs — is a pretty big gap, and that does not even begin to consider that the obese workers not on disability tend to be associated with lowered productivity.

So to what extent has the debt acquisition been an attempt to paper over the cracks of an economy increasingly losing productivity due to obesity and obesity-related illness, and to what extent is obesity linked to the current American employment and growth weakness?

Well, we know that it is possible to blow up a huge debt bubble without a high level of obesity, because Japan has been mired in a debt-fuelled depression for the last twenty years without any associated obesity epidemic, and because the Great Depression was preceded by a huge outgrowth in debt, but no such outgrowth in obesity. And certainly, the United States lives with far greater burdens than the effects of obesity — for example, the quantifiable burden of invading and occupying Iraq and Afghanistan has been greater in the past decade than the quantifiable burden of growing national obesity. This is not to mention the effects of job migration, maintaining a global empire with bases in over 150 countries, and bailing out Wall Street banks. Debt has been an a means to paper over the cracks of lost productivity and an American empire living far beyond the means of its productivity — but there is far more to that than just the outgrowth in obesity.

But obesity is causing a significant output loss, which by definition contributes to the wider problems.


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Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:15 | 2914847 ClassicCommodity
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Long Fast Food.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:18 | 2914852 ACP
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For some reason, "Monty Python's Meaning of Life" springs to mind. Talk about bursting.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:24 | 2914860 tsx500
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that 1st graph looks exactly like the mirror-image of my 401k

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:26 | 2914864 tsx500
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...AND of Owe-blah-ma's popularity !

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:15 | 2914947 AlaricBalth
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Not only are Americans becoming more obese, they are being pharmaceutically drugged into oblivion. Americans spent $31Billion on anti-depressant, anti-psychotic and ADHD drugs in 2011. The usage of these mood altering medication ramps up exponentially over the last 30 years as well.

As the article stated, correlation is not causation, yet one has to wonder whether the drugging of the American mind has anything to do with the ambivalence most people have towards our current political and economic landscape.

Perhaps Aldous Huxley was foreseeing this when he wrote Brave New World.
"Swallowing half an hour before closing time, that second dose of soma had raised a quite impenetrable wall between the actual universe and their minds."

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:30 | 2915009 TruthInSunshine
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I usually don't & wouldn't cite to Business Insider, but they had a fairly good article tonight (exception to the general tripe they write) regarding how incredibly massive a financial beating Generation Xers have undergone in the last several years, and cited data (some from Pew, some from other sources) that demonstrated the relatively less beaten up Baby Boomer's aren't doing exactly well.

It's about lower wages, fewer jobs, and a tsunami of more debt (despite the claims of deleveraging anal-cysts such as those on sell-side vision like to throw around often and loudly).

Caveat- This is Business Insider, so there's massively poor writing that makes it unclear if cited figures relate to household wealth or income.

Some fascinating excerpts:

In fact, a census report released in June found Gen X saw a 59 percent decline in median household net worth between 2005 to 2010 –– the largest of any age group.  

According to Pew, in inflation-adjusted dollars, they now earn $56,000 less than their counterparts in 2001.


On the other hand, 45- to 64-year-olds saw a $50,000 decline, and those over age 65 were the only age group whose net worth grew over the last decade.


The study's findings are only more troubling when you consider how few Americans say they've managed to maintain their retirement savings over the last few years.


While ownership of stocks and retirement accounts such as 401(k) and thrift accounts, was down among most age groups, ages 35 to 44 saw stock ownership fall [the most]. 


"If there are 5,000 people in this country who can afford to retire I would be astounded," Jane White, President of Retirement Solutions, LLC, told Business Insider.


Gen X Has Been Absolutely Clobbered By The Recession

I keep telling people we're headed directly into an economic depression (many of these people, who used to absolutely scoff at this suggestion, no longer scoff at it), whether its onset is rapid, or we get there in drip-drip fashion, and that neither the Bernanke "put" nor all the fiat allowed to be printed and disbursed by our wise legislators will do a single thing to stop this inevitability.

The really amazing thing is that douchebags such as Krugman still rant and rant about how this downturn is cyclical, when it's about as structural as structural gets.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 08:24 | 2915355 Shizzmoney
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Shit, think Gen X has it bad, look at the dip for my bracket (18-35)!

Shit is bad, man.  And it's detoriating........that's why I want a crash, we just need to flush the shit out of the system and wake people up.  People won't wake up until their 401K is gone.

This is the biggest battle in human history - the value of money in society and the fight over currency.  Bigger than nationalism.  Bigger than racism.  The fight over classism and those who run our caste system that is forming in the world really is the longest grind.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:10 | 2915472 Ballin D
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It looks at decline.  You can only decline from $0 for so long before they stop giving you debt or you bankrupt out of it.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:30 | 2915518 economics9698
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"0.2... Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 10:11 | 2915619 cheetahbaby
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I'd take mind numbing drugs too if I had to drag all kinds of bulk around. Even more so if I was looking down the barrel of an obesity burst.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:42 | 2914893 Eireann go Brach
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The majority of Americans are so fat they have not seen their ball sacks or feet since their early teenage years !

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:28 | 2914962 BlueCollaredOne
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Pot calling the kettle black.

Fat Irish

Fat Irish

Fat Irish

Fat Irish

How about instead of just focusing on one countries obesity rate, we ask how come the entire world's obesity rate has tripled?

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:46 | 2915287 swamp
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Fat ugly smelly men.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:51 | 2914910 Eireann go Brach
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ZH shoud do a caption contest on what Trump will reveal tomorrow about Obama! The responses will be classic! Tyler?

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:04 | 2914926 BlueCollaredOne
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Drudge is thinking its this.

Whatever it is, it upsets me that you have faith in whatever Trump has to say.  He is in bed with TPTB.  He has benefited more from bailouts than GE.  He constantly talks about bringing jobs to America, while employing overseas workers to make his shit. Remember when Trump was talking all that shit about birth certificates?  He endorsed the photoshopped birth certificate provided by the obama admin. Trump has used the ponzi to benefit himself. 

He is controlled opposition, and it isnt hard for this guy to see that.  .

You've been here for 1 year, 37 weeks.  Shame on you for not seeing through the false left/right paradigm.


Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:06 | 2914935 The Shootist
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He may have stopped with the birth certificate, but he had the cajones to use his pedestal to hammer the topic. It's the goverment media complex that chose to ignore the facts. He tried more than most on the fraud.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:21 | 2914945 BlueCollaredOne
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Absolutely not. 

Trump never once mentioned the name Jerome Corsi

To the best of my knowledge Trump hasn't weighed in on Joe Afrpaio.

How do you not see it?  Yes, he hammers the topic, but when you get close he directs your attention elsewhere. 


Edit: It's obvious you're my downvote.  The difference between us is when I downvote, I offer a retort to show why. Try it.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 03:08 | 2915078 The Shootist
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I didn't down-vote you. I never agree with anybody 100% of the time. I was pretty mad at the Donald when he tried to shaft Ron Paul and his supporters by saying he had no shot in hell at getting elected.

That said, I like anybody who jabs the great muppet, the commie, the community organizer, the empty suit extraordinaire.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:41 | 2915274 MillionDollarBogus_
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Blue,  I down-voted you.....for no apparent reason............

I'm a troll....

Carry on....

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:13 | 2915475 YC2
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Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:13 | 2914944 sangell
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Obama served and ate the flesh of Osama bin Laden at a White House state dinner.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:03 | 2915003 Dr. Sandi
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I could respect him a little more if I believed he actually did.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 10:13 | 2915625 cheetahbaby
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Fried with greens?

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:13 | 2914946 Eireann go Brach
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Oh for fucks sake collared one, it's all in the name of fun to have some fun at Trumps expense! Trump is a fucking imbecile!

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:40 | 2914970 Zero Govt
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Eireann  - if you think Trump is an "imbecile" i presume you think taking risk and making money is pretty easy yes?

Trump vs. Obumma - no contest, Bumma KO'd in seconds

Look at President O's record, Solyndra, his green revolution, the GM Volt is now walking dead, the LG Chem battery factory for the Volt in seizure. His thug wars are fucking expensive to maintain and he's ramping up the zones to oppress. His key economic advisor, Jon Corzine, is a sick joke. Bumma talks non-stop shit he even needs prompting from an auto-cue he's so dependent. The most over-blown piece of worthless crap in US history

Trump, what's wrong with him, he wheels and deals and stands on his own two feet. He's not a drain on anyone, unlike that Chicago Commie debt-junkie. Got a problem with Trump telling that toerag a few home truths? 

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:16 | 2915004 Dr. Sandi
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If my parents had handed me the chunk of change Trump was given, I might have been a contender too, instead of a bum.

I also must point out that Trump's various enterprises have gone bankrupt more often than a government subsidized energy company. And bankruptcies always cost somebody... else.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 06:47 | 2915222 homme
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I might have been a contender too, instead of a bum.

You sure seem to be one of the sharper tacks in the ZH drawer, to me. If you're a bum, it's by your own choosing. 

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:41 | 2915275 KidHorn
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Coming up with alternative energy solutions is very difficult. If it weren't, the world wouldn't be so dependent on imported oil. For every success, there are going to be 100 failures. That's the nature of the business. No different than drug research. The thing is, unless we try, we'll never succeed. There only needs to be one success for the entire policy to be deemed successful, so the failure of a few firms is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

If you believe Romey is going to be successful at tackling energy issues, you're living in a dream world. Long term, it's going to take a lot more effort than allowing a few more offshore wells and new pipelines.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 18:42 | 2917039 Zero Govt
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The success rate of Govt research and minerals exploration is???

Here's a clue: 0.00000000000000000000%

Govt is a tragedy in every facet of meddling in the economy, from energy to space. It has no biz in economics and no biz in apllying laws or legislation to any part of enterprise. Every sector it invests in is a loss bleeding red ink, it can't even manage its own finances it's so inept (see failure of 600 DC  committees, Congress, Senate and Super Committee to cuts and balancing the budget)

the lights are on, but nobodies home

Govt is the most ignorant, incompetent and destructive institution on earth surprise, it's staffed by cretins 

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:16 | 2915481 YC2
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Trump, to my knowledge, just takes large leveraged long bets on real estate and his companies often go bankrupt.  Im sure he is smart but he is no MOTU except that people keep extending him credit for some reason.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 18:47 | 2917060 Zero Govt
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failure is a huge part of success, no businessman can launch 10 projects and expect more than a few to succeed.

Trump succeeds amongst the failures, the key is your successes outweigh your losses

Bumma has no commercial skills, no nouse, no balls and no capacity (he can barely read an auto-cue without stuttering). He will never succeed in a million years at backing any enterprise with taxpayer money.. no politician in history has in 3,000 years

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:28 | 2914960 TruthInSunshine
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Trump is a narcissistic douchebag extraordinaire.

Not that I need to elaborate, but I detest Obama, Romney, the system of Deep Capture that has corrupted our political and justice systems, and loudmouth douchebags such as Donald Trump, who apparently simply can't restrain his id, which has a habit of causing major, repeated embarrassments to his super-ego.

If Trumps "bombshell" is that the Obamas experienced marital strife at some point or another, it will yet again be Trump's id +1, Trump's super-ego -100, an American Public probably more empathetic than alarmed by what will be viewed as a humanizing element to the Obamas (on average), and the question of whether Trump is actually trying to sabotage Romney being raised by republocrats.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:52 | 2914988 Zero Govt
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Trump has spent 100,000x less money than Obumma and achieved 100,000x more with it

the bill for Bumma's presidency has more zeros than most of us can count

Trump costs us nothing, he's self sustaining and self sufficient, he does no harm

Bumma is a waste of good air, waste of money and waisting everyones time

Trump will say more in 10 minutes than that vacuous lying tele-prompted puppet will say in his worthless lifetime

Bumma is a piece of shit. Trump is a man

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:07 | 2915006 Dr. Sandi
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Saying Trump costs us nothing is like saying that having a lamprey on your carotid artery is good for the circulation.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:23 | 2915021 BlueCollaredOne
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but lampreys actually can be beneficial to circulation.

They possess an anticoagulant in their saliva that will possibly be used one day to facilitate blood flow. 

Anticoagulants attack blood clots, which obviously impede circulation.


Don't take this the wrong way, just wanted to drop some knowledge.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:54 | 2914992 BlueCollaredOne
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Wow, I don't understand why you're getting down voted. I also see through the system induced haze.

It will be funny if the topic of marriage is indeed Trump's "bombshell". Seeing as how he is on his third go round, I think this situation would be similar to Mozillo criticizing Corzine on how one should not profit from tanking a compnay. 

Just another example of our failed "leaders."

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:04 | 2915002 Daily Bail
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Trump bombshell will be that he is endorsing Obama.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 02:16 | 2915043 Kiwi Pete
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As long as he didn't sleep with him.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:10 | 2914940 dick cheneys ghost
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that story has been out for hours...........check

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 02:56 | 2915052 TeddyBear
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He found a birth certificate on the back side of Romney tax returns when he was looking for paper to file his 14th bankruptcy so he pays no tax again.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:58 | 2914920 Silver Bug
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Definitely not a positive trend :(

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:07 | 2915008 Daily Bail
Mon, 12/24/2012 - 05:38 | 3092449 jaffa
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Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:19 | 2914849 dick cheneys ghost
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The Japanese dont eat as much wheat as we Americans..............modern wheat is a poison worse than fiat money


wheat and fiat money...........ITS IRONIC

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:29 | 2914963 Harbanger
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Without wheat and other grains we wouldn’t have modern civilization. It is easily cultivated, and has great long-term storage. Essential for survival. I understand that we were originally hunter gatherers, but I think we’ve adapted genetically by now. 20,000 years of cultivation with many waves of famine are strong forces in genetic adaptation. Whole grains of course, not bleached white flours.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:44 | 2915284 Optimusprime
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It might depend on your blood type.  A seems to do well with carbs compared to O, for instance.  Or so it has been plausibly claimed.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 04:48 | 2915154 Disenchanted
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More likely it's the HFCS from corn that's doing Americans in...

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 08:00 | 2915307 dolly madison
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I have more control of what I eat than most because I cook all our food from scratch.  When I first started, I lost weight without effort, but i had cut wheat out of our diet because my daughter had a wheat allergy.  When she got over her allergy, I added wheat back and immediately gained some weight.  I switched to pastry flour because it is low in protein (which is where all the parts of wheat that people theorize are the problems with modern wheat are), and that didn't make me gain weight.  However, the weight loss is not as easy as it was when I was eating no wheat.

So there is one anecdotal report on wheat.  It's enough evidence for me because I am the one, but it may not be enough for you.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 08:23 | 2915352 Disenchanted
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It could be argued that at least wheat has natural food value, whereas HFCS not so much.

But with wheat(and wheat flour) as with anything a lot has to do with how much is consumed. No?

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 16:49 | 2916767 dolly madison
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But with wheat(and wheat flour) as with anything a lot has to do with how much is consumed. No?

Yes, but I look at it more that wheat has appetite stimulating effects.  I think it is because wheat is high in glutamate.  If I eat any food that is high in glutamate, I will notice that I am hungrier.  When I eat premade food, from store or restaurant, which is sure to be loaded with glutamate, I feel much hungrier.  My kids even notice this effect when they visit their grandma who has lots of processed food around.  They say the food doesn't fill them up.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 08:42 | 2915389 Clowns on Acid
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You know we are in trouble when Uncle Ben's fiat grows faster thasn Uncle Ben's rice. ba-dump.

Go ahead Jay Leno...I dare ya to use this line on your show !

Thu, 10/25/2012 - 05:52 | 2917948 Dr. Sandi
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Most of Leno's audience wouldn't even get the reference. Some of them probably would even be stymied by the rice part.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:23 | 2914857 Schmuck Raker
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This is a very poor effort from an author I generally respect.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:01 | 2915001 BlueCollaredOne
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Explain your position please.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 03:45 | 2915129 Skateboarder
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I'd say that he was making the comment because obesity is a little pipsqueak of an issue compared to bigger issues like the derivatives market. High mechanization, refinement, and fuckery of food makes people fat. People are stupid little shits who don't really give a fuck about what their body tells them, so they abuse it with all kinds of nasty processed food. It's their own damn fault if they live unhealthy lives. What does cause credit, however, is central banking. BigAgra is a whole another can of worms - that's what causes obesity, when complemented with a lack of discipline.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:28 | 2914863 blunderdog
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   To what extent do the healthcare overheads of an obesity epidemic act as a drag on economic growth? According to an estimate by the CDC, $147 billion.

Well, ok sure, but maybe you shouldn't be all short-term about everything. 

This is just a blip, and the market will correct almost instantly, but only if it hasn't already priced that shit in.

How much can it cost to have a bunch of fat fucks die before they reach age 65?  Is there any chance that'd be a negative financial result on the spreadsheet?

Once you've properly understood what you're calculating, it should be easy to see which side you come down on.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:36 | 2914881 regionswork
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Really stress (debt) and addiction (obesity)?

Psychologist Gabor Maté addresses the relationship: 

Capitalism Makes us Crazy: Dr Gabor Maté on Illness & Addiction | National Radio Project He has a lot of experience and his personal insight gives him an ability to explain the impact of stress on our lives. The first MP3 is about 30 minutes. He has more on his website:  I learned about this from another ZH post - so someone else deserves credit.  Warning: Emotion required.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:36 | 2914882 freelearner
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I think the start of corn and soy subsidies in 1973 and the concomitant rise of giant agribusiness have more to do with it than the gold standard.  Although, of course, the subsidies were more easily paid post-August 1971.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:39 | 2914885 Dr. Engali
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I'm curious John ,,,what is the Japanese obesity level compared to debt level? My guess is that it doesn't even compare. I agree that obesity is a problem, but I believe it has more to do with a lazy life style and eating a bunch of crap. We don't cook anything, but we eat a bunch of proccessed "foods". There are a lot of our problems that can be correlated to 1971, but that is the year when we decided we where going to take advantadge of our reserve currency status and the rest of the world.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:50 | 2914906 IBelieveInMagic
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Poetic justice. Fat assed Americans suffer from their excesses in contrast to starving third worlders who have been plundered by the reserve currency weapon.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:53 | 2914912 Dr. Engali
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I couldn't have said it better.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:41 | 2914890 PKF
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The wheat grown in the US is 'The Wonder Bread' wheat....nothing like the wheats grown in Europe.  Gee, maybe Monsanto and Big Food are in collusion and fill our processed foods with crap that makes you hungrier!!! 

Cheap food is very fattening. 

Young people have no idea how to cook.  I worked w/ a young mother and she along w/ her partner had no idea what to feed their child who was to the point of eating 'real' (vs. baby) food.  Mother says, "All my husband and I eat are frozen pizzas."  Her face was covered w/ acne and she was a good 30 lbs. overweight. 

I said go to the library and find a book on a child's diet.  It never entered her mind.  I feel sorry for that kid. 

One has to cook to be healthy.  I do most of my cooking one day/week.  Crock Pots are heaven.  And then I freeze in individual servings. 

How hard is that?  Oprah says 'If you know better, you'll do better."  I don't know.  I make suggestions and the response is, "Who do you think you are?"  Thanks W for the dumb-down.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:08 | 2915010 Dr. Sandi
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I like when I'm looking for real food that's fairly easy to cook and doesn't have an endorsement by the Kolorful Kraft Kitchens or Betty Crotchrot.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:06 | 2915463 Bastiat
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I feel sorry for that kid.

. . . and millions like him-- and for those who will pay the bills.


Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:45 | 2914899 Zero Govt
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"Debt & Obesity"

Connect the dots at Barney Frank

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:50 | 2914904 BlueCollaredOne
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The obesity subject is a tricky one.  The government should never be allowed to dictate how people live their life.  Bloomberg's soda ban comes to mind...  I thought that NY passing that law would create a big enough backlash to wake some people up, but that's what I get for thinking that people can critically think.  So if the government shouldn't pressure the fat fucks to become unfat fucks, it now becomes our responsibility and I'm doing my part.  I make fun of fat people as often as I can.  Whenever I go out to dinner with my fat family and they order dessert I ask them "if they really need that." As I type this I am drinking straight tito's vodka, to eliminate unnecessary calories from a mixer.   

Every now and then when I'm in a dry spell I will start fucking with a heavier body type and when she asks "Why I don't want to progress the relationship," I will point out that they have a beautiful face, its just a shame that they don't take care of their body.  I've been an astute observer of the female form for quite some time now, and in my area (Wash DC) it seems the average girl has a little extra lbs. that werent there a few years ago. 

I also notice alot of the guys i work with have to take a break every 3 floors or so when walking up stairs.  The other day I was visiting a jobsite that consists of 18 floors.  In the stairway, on the 9th floor the workers had set up a "break zone."  The area was littered with cigarettes, empty bags of chips, sodas, etc.  The funny thing is these guys call me an asshole when I fire them and bring in a younger, more fit guy to take their job because they can't physically perform their required duties. 



Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:56 | 2914916 dick cheneys ghost
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see agra-bidness...............

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:28 | 2914961 Jugdish
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Ya I banged a fat chic once few years back. I was heavily intoicated. Then I tried to go back for round two a differet night wth only like three beers in me and my cock went into athletic mode, shriveled up, and refused to cooperate. She stormed out. It was an amazing experience that every young man should live out but I wouldn't do it again. I'll leave the big girls for the black guys.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:12 | 2915012 BlueCollaredOne
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I also like to defer fatties to the brother's, however one must never underestimate the universal force that is known as "pussy karma." 

Somewhere, something keeps track of all our sexual conquests.  When that entity feels that you are deserving, they often reward you with a prize that leaves you wondering how the fuck that just happened. 


Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:42 | 2915279 swamp
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Sexual "conquests"? Only rape is a sexual "conquest" all else is consenual. Rapist.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:44 | 2915282 swamp
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Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:03 | 2914922 sangell
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Pretty interesting until Aziz, as usual, conflated the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq into his post. The fact is, the cost of those wars is not easily determined. Over 50% of the Pentagon budget is personel costs and that stays the same, with some adjustments for combat pay, whether our forces are engaged in combat or not. It is also impossible to predict the future. Had we not removed Saddam Hussein and or Mullah Omar from power who knows what the course of future events might have looked like. Perhaps we would have had an Iranian invasion in support of a Shia insurrection in Iraq that would have led to an even larger war or al Qaeda provocations into India from Afghanistan that would have led to a Pakistani/Indian war in South Asia. You just don't know, well at least I don't know, but Aziz has it all figured out in his Islamic mind.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 04:56 | 2915161 Aziz
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I am not Muslim. 

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 10:51 | 2915721 shovelhead
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Don't reply to trolls. I may not always agree with your conclusions but I can always see how you connect the dots. It takes a sharp eye and mind to peer through the fog and present a view in a cogent manner. Your articles can stand on their own.

As do his comments.

Ipso loquiter.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 05:48 | 2915184 Disenchanted
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"Over 50% of the Pentagon budget is personel costs"


The biggest big govt welfare queens going...

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:03 | 2914925 imbrbing
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Fat and happy with debt

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:07 | 2914936 Schlomo Bergstein
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Peak oil will cause both of these bubbles to burst.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:08 | 2914937 Deathrips
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2$ spike in silver just before close? Quick up quick down....Gettin Close.

Silver Fookerz!

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:36 | 2914971 headless blogger
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I've wondered what all the Ex-fat people will look like in a few years from now. Will half the population be walking around with loose skin hanging off them? You think of people loosing weight as a good thing, but in some cases it might look pretty bad. They probably won't have the money to cut the excess skin off either, so maybe if someone could invent some kind of skin clips to hold it back and under??



Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:58 | 2915306 Acet
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Exercise: it's both the best way to loose fat and it helps tighten up everything. How do you think some women get a fit body back after pregnancy?

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:34 | 2915493 headless blogger
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I don't think any amount of exercise can get rid of some of these people's "type" of fat, which seems to be a new modern form of in Genetically modified foods, bovine hormones, chemicals, and such. No matter the exercise and dieting, they will have an excess amount of loose skin hanging off them. That is why they have operations to "tuck pull and lift" this stuff....but in a widespread depression nobody will be able to afford the cosmetic surgery.

Pregnancy is different than morbidly obese.

I don't look down on these people. They are products of a system that fed them lies and worked them like dogs for pennies. I know some of these people. They are good people eating bad food.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 00:55 | 2914993 q99x2
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"an obesity epidemic of such proportion."

Go shopping at the malls out in the San Fernando Valley to see the extent of the damage. What was once human is no longer recognizable. The restaurant section is a god damn war zone. These people aren't shopping. They are there to eat. Used to be able to go to malls and to check out the chicks. Now you look at the woman in front of you and you get convinced real quick it is time to break a bad habit. You feel sort of weird looking at that shit. Anyhow, I just don't go there anymore.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:15 | 2915014 headless blogger
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Maybe you see Larry Summers and his wife out there? They're a couple of bloated genetically modified looking people who obviously don't invest any of their wealth into fixing up their dumpy bodies. Was sick last time I had to look at Larry, with all that flab hanging off his neck, and his wife looks ugly too.  Looks like if you poke them something gruesome might ooze out.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 01:17 | 2915018 Dr. Sandi
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Maybe Dick Cheney lives in there someplace.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:21 | 2915495 headless blogger
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He's full of the same ooze...

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 02:16 | 2915037 Pike Bishop
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The way that people look at the disability numbers tells alot about them.

Keeping in mind that back-ailments and strong degrees of depression were traditionally the two top takers..

1) People suddenly decided to milk a slight problem, rather than Cowboy-up.

2) People are gaming the system because they are cleverly lazy.

3) Employment conditions are shit for normal human beings, and creating/building-out the numbers.

4) A wholeshitload of people were working with disabilities and likely hiding them to keep their jobs.

5) Fuck 'em, put them on road crews till they die. I'm sick of having my wealth redistributed. They aren't my problem.

I can't make the call on #3, but people are starting to act really weird at some of my clients' places. They are mostly small companies so the Owner doesn't give a shit, because he can't afford to. If everybody doesn't show up 50 hours a week and pump the money handles, everybody is fucked. Nobody gives a shit about weird in the large corps, because the behavior is generally endemic.

With layoffs out the wazoo and the largest pharma merger ever, in my world you start finding out shit you really didn't know. Probably didn't want to know. My conclusion is that you can be really close to walking dead, and still be a highly competitive performer in IT.

You never knew the guy you have worked with for 20 years has been living on 10 Prozac a day forever, or the other guy only has one kidney working, marginally. Yet they had always scrubbed up, and made it to work each day.

Your first wonder is how the fuck they accomplished it. The second isn't a wonder at all. Maybe, just maybe, they could make it as a Barista running around serving coffee, but I don't think so.

As you always held back a little respect for them, because they were too intelligent for the job they were doing, you realize they had cobbled themselves into the maximally functioning and productive position they could.

Now that they lost their job, sold to an outside bidder in Mumbai, or were one of the losers in the blind ignorance of a massive merger..... fuck unemployment, they are going for the disability. They are just going into pseudo-early-retirement for 8-10 years. if they are out of a job for 9 mos or a year, their skill-sets are deemed fucked anyway.

This QEconomy with corporate earnings worship is fine for us job and portfolio endowed (not for too much longer?) but we're turning this Economy/Country into an ass-dragging shithole.

If emerging market revenues dry up, it's game-over for everybody on the ladder. Grab your linen and stop your grinnin'.

Then maybe we'll start dealing with this.

Inspite of the fact that our WH choices are between more of the same and more of the worse.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 03:19 | 2915099 Edelweiss
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  Most of the people I see that receive disability are obese.  Frequently,  I know why they get benefits.  Chronic back pain is easily the most common,  from my experience.   Diabetes, and asthma, have to be a close second and third.  They typically continue to do the things that made them unable to work.   Asthmatics keep smoking,  epileptics don't take their meds to prevent further seizures, etc.  Also, it's not uncommon for them to routinely take a combination of anti-anxiety meds, narcotics, antidepressants, etc. daily.  Lots of customers for big pharma.  I realize this is anecdotal, but it seems extremely unlikely that it only occurs in my part of the country.  I'm convinced the majority of them couldn't give a shit less if someone else pays their way.  The attitude is usually one of "I deserve it", even though they frequently don't do anything to promote good health in themselves.  Just once, I'd like for those that don't work with these people to see them in an honest light.  I don't have a problem with legitimately disabled people.  I do have a problem with morons, like the bitch I met the other day on SSI for chronic back pain, who wrecked her harley.  The vibration from the harley no doubt soothed her back pain.  Before surgery to place hardware for a pelvic fracture she asked if they could work in some liposuction to remove some troubling belly fat.  She couldn't understand why it would be a problem. It truly makes me ill that I help support idiots like her. 

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:41 | 2915541 headless blogger
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But is she really a Bitch? And why call her names that should be reserved for REAL bitches and real Dickwad assholes? She's just doing what over half the population in the U.S. is doing (from all economic brackets). She's an opportunist that probably learned the ropes from watching how the Wealthy do it and from her education system. Look how Wall Street gambles on everyone's lives... the opposite end of the pendulum looks like this woman you met.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 03:29 | 2915108 icanhasbailout
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can someone plot the curve of "mental health" drug prescriptions on that graph please

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 05:03 | 2915164 Peter Pan
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Now that would be a chart to behold. Would you include in the totals the number of blue pills/red pills the Americans "consume" on a daily basis?

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 05:01 | 2915163 Peter Pan
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It strikes me as strange that motor vehicles are subjected to a yearly check up to ensure road worthiness and yet human beings just about everywhere can get away with becoming totally unhealthy, fat and dysfunctional with virtually nothing to pull them up and force them to either to zip up or shape up. Either that or the state should reserve the right to withhold medical services when people have gone overboard for an extended period of time.

The obesity plague is just another bubble which is going to have untold effects on both personal and state finances, personal health, demographics, marriage and of course happiness.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 08:40 | 2915383 petolo
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GM needs to put truck tires on their compacts. With 3 or 4 big ones riding inside  the load limit of those 14 inch ones from China is exceded . Hummers and food stamps for all.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 05:09 | 2915168 mrdenis
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Fits right in ... keep em' fat...,keep em'dumb ....keep em' dependant '.......

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 05:28 | 2915176 falak pema
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Monty Python and the Creosote economy. Perfect analogy. Just prick it...

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 06:49 | 2915225 voltaic
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Disability increases seem to also coincide with the end of and continuation of "wars." Disability claims increased through Ford, which may have been the aftereffects of Vietnam and they have increased steadily from Bush I and Iraq I to today with Iraq II and Afghanistan. Disability claims fell only through the non-war affected years of Carter through Reagan. War, what is it good for? Disability.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:00 | 2915233 news printer
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Even pregnacy from rape something "God Intended"

No comment; watch for yourself

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:03 | 2915236 GCT
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Hell the gov wants it people obese so they do not have the energy to riot.  They also make better targets.  Cannot have fit people running around the country if the SHTF.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:38 | 2915267 swamp
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Fat ugly men.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:44 | 2915283 Lloyd_Xmas
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Wow, this is troubling.  Given the fed printing press. I thought debt was more like rice cakes.  No they are bad for you.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 08:10 | 2915329 dolly madison
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You always hear that poor people are fatter, but for me during the boom years when I was busy and had lots of money was when I gained.  So, my life more fits this chart.  The boom times were also the years that I didn't cook for myself at home as much.  There were probably lots of people like that. 

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 13:20 | 2915830 cheetahbaby
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Agreed. Prepared foods--and many restaurant foods are prepared off site and cooked onsite--are a driver of obesity. The problem with the myth that "poor people are eating fast food and eating out" is that it may not be true. A study came out last year concluded that low income families are cooking at home but may not he cooking food that is as healthy as it could be.

yes, I know the study was sponsored by Conagra, and I take that into consideration, but the methodlolgy was decent with the exception that it focused on lower income levels and would have been more informative if it had used a broader income range) There are also many studies that indicate that people with higher edcation levels eat healthier diets than those who are less educated. No surprise there.

Back to the prepard foods issue. Prepared foods, whether they are frozen meatballs, ramen noodles, heat up lasagne or prepared packaged meats are full of the same garbage additives, antibiotics and the like whether cooked at home or in a restaurant. Chain restaurants get prepared food from central distribution centeres whether or not they are "fast food" or "sit down" establishments in order to maintain consistency. 

The additives and other crap in these foods overload the pancreas and result in a cortisol overload with all of the attendant problems of excess cortisol production. This information is readily available. It is even available for pet diets, so why don't people get it??

People don't get it because they lack the education necessary to perform the tasks required to maintaining a healthy diet: reading, researching, thinking and questioning. They are lazy and don't question; they go with what is there--frozen meatballs, vegetables in plastic bags, heat up mac and cheese because it is not "fast food," and they are not low income so they are eating well, right? The package says vitamin fortified so it is okay, right? Wrong. A meatball is not a meatball. 

(apologies to dolly madison, you were busy, not uneducated since you obviously made changes and were aware of the issue. Stress and busyness are issues for another post)

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 08:31 | 2915366 Clowns on Acid
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The Fed inspired credit boom has also correlations with:

  • illegal immigration
  • Federal and State spending deficits
  • loss of basic freedoms, e.g. privacy 
  • income redistribution via race, gender requirements
  • increase in lawyers and lawsuits.

But as the article points out, correlation does not prove causality...ahem.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:26 | 2915513 Stuck on Zero
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I believe that fast about murderers consuming water is wrong.  The real fact is: "99% of all murderers abstained from water consumption for 24 hours before committing the murder.  They drank whiskey."


Wed, 10/24/2012 - 11:06 | 2915750 shovelhead
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Have you ever noticed that you never have murders from people who smoke cannabis?

"Damn, where the hell did I put my knife?"

"Now I can't find my keys..."

"Screw it...I'll just stay in tonight and eat Doritos and play some tunes."

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 14:30 | 2922291 XXL66
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Me and my wife are very skinny.

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