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Nigel Farage On The Total Subjugation Of Europe

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Forget black swans, Nigel Farage is rapidly turning himself into the black sheep of the EU Parliament with his constant stream of truthiness and honest pragmatism. It seems the broadly nodding-donkeys that fill the chamber remain cognitively dissonant to any and everything in the real world - hanging instead on the next soundbite from Van Rompuy or Barroso on how well things are going, or how the crisis is 'almost' over. If only the Germans would bless them all with their money. In one his plainest-speaking rants, Farage provides clarity to his 'peers' on just exactly what the bailouts of Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and soon to be Spain and Italy are actually about - the "total subjugation of the states to a completely undemocratic structure in Brussels." Is it any wonder Samaras and crew - while happy to accept cash and make promises - are pulling away from yet another (this time is the last time) Troika-driven austerity push? "The euro-zone is in a very dark place; economically, socially, and politically."

Some mind-blowing quotes in here as Farage refers to the leaders of Italy and Spain and their remarkable nonsense...

Listen to the entire 3:30 - it is frightening just what is occurring on the ground across the pond from a US nation with eyes only for the election for now...

 

 

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Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:28 | 2913640 littleguy
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I think you mean, charismatic war leader and victor over fascism.

 

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:12 | 2913826 Jugdish
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Didn't know a charismatic war leader could defeat an ism...? Thanks for defeating facism Mr. Churchill. (wouldn't want United Healthcare writing a 2500 page bill and forcing it down an entire countries throat.) Maybe Bush will be remembered as the charismatic war leader who stood up to "terror-ism." Thanks Mcgraw-hill for the fine work you do educating our youth.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 19:40 | 2914446 littleguy
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Yeah, the world would be a much better place with Nazism...

You fucking 'tard.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 21:46 | 2914719 Jugdish
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O. I"m sorry buddy. I thought you said fascism. ism ism ism ism ism ism ism.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 06:15 | 2915201 _underscore
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So, the alternative was better? Get real.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:49 | 2913502 Atlantis Consigliore
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NIGEL:  for FED Chair,  hands down the best most transparent CEO of FED dollar policy, anti Keynes, anti bailout free market Hayek economic rudder to madhouse in Wash.

Nigel:  Chairmen of FED. 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:48 | 2913505 tahoebumsmith
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Pretty obvious where the entire globe is headed when you see such denial from empty suits like these  policy makers. Most of them look like they should have died already, it's no wonder they don't give a shit...

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:50 | 2913507 goldnguns
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simply pathetic to see the dullards filling the rest of the chamber - they actually make our Senate and house look like they actually get something accomplished.  No minor feat that. 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:00 | 2913546 ATM
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I'm guessing you really haven't looked at a composite photo of the US Senate or House lately have you? It's a group of lazy, dumb, mouthpieces that are all handled by the others from behind the scenes. It's a bunch of smiling, blank faces with no substance, no intellect, no morals and no idea.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:53 | 2913524 Atlantis Consigliore
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Jeez;  put in Santelli  as Council Econ Advisors, Nigel FED Head;  Sec of Treasury?   Stockman,  ?  one more time to get it right?  Last Chance???   

Hayek philosophy, free market, cuts taxes 20%;  no cap gains....BUY BUY BUY  STABLE DOLLAR NO PRINTING,  

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:57 | 2913534 Jugdish
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Celente, Bochini, La Russo, Bondavi

Celente, Bochini, La Russo, Bondavi

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:57 | 2913765 azzhatter
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I want to see Celente doing the Jay Carney job. That would be priceless, bitch slapping the MSM

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:04 | 2913560 El_Puerco
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 Watch your backyard Mr. Farage....Big , but big problem..London...

 

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:11 | 2913692 earleflorida
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Tsh, Tsh, Tsh !!!

'as the migrating  callous canaries wane berth to the once `gild'd wharf`cage'...

merry ole england sets her sails upon the twilight's`swallow'd tide of indifference...

dear nigel bellows and throats his clarion call to whom all that shalt listen...

as that of a mute's benign masochistic gluttony for the spoken word...

whilst, this 'mouth of marbles'...

he, himself...

carry coals to newcastle' 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:16 | 2913599 exodus11
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Look at these jokers in the suits. And they are making the rules for these countries? The blind leading the blind.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:27 | 2913630 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Just when are people in Europe going to realize that these f*ckers are UNELECTED. 70% of UK laws are created by these frightening little men. Want to sell someone a codfish? 1270 pages of EU law governing that, mate. What size and shape can your cabbage be? Look it up, on page 13,211.

Not that it makes a difference in the US, but at least we still maintain the illusion of democracy

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:24 | 2914235 Ghordius
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Are you high or do you live in an alternate universe?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:17 | 2913603 Bumbrella
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Ron Paul: President

Nigel Farage: Fed Chief

Rick Santelli: SEC Chairman

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:46 | 2913715 XitSam
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I propose William K. Black head of SEC. Santelli head of CFTC.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:23 | 2913869 grid-b-gone
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Jim Grant and Sheila Bair can have citizen-friendly jobs again, too.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:18 | 2913606 littleguy
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Can't wait to watch some sort of Nuremburg equivalent show trials for the EU lot when it goes pop. Wish they'd just piss off and go and play with their toys.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:34 | 2913652 d_taco
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Doomsday Denial: Collapse 2.0 looms as UK calm before storm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvkKrpexqEE

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:34 | 2913653 TIMBEEER
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Actually, quite brilliant that the reason there has been peace in Europe since 1945 is thanks to USA (look at the EU bitch laughing at that sentence.) And not due to the "peaceful" EU and is eurorats.

As a citizen of the EU (cough, womit) I salute our Nobel prize, finally we are on equal level with the USA and Obama's Nobel prize (cough cough)

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:38 | 2913662 Freegolder
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Poor Nigel, he doesn't know whether he wants right-wing austerity, or left-wing QE-fired spending. He is a classic Euro dope, lacking the knowledge to understand what is happening.

At least the Eurozone is not a dark place monetarily having the best managed currency in the whole world. But who here knows why that is the case?

I do!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 22:54 | 2914827 Pareto
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Nope.  Don't think you do.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 06:21 | 2915204 _underscore
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The best managed currency in thw world? When a signifigant proportion of those toiling under its yoke are looking forward to eating out of dustbins & living in the gaps in the infrastructure? Perhaps you could go to Athens and tell them how lucky they are then - I'm sure you'd get a good reception, being in the know and all.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:43 | 2913688 Imminent Collapse
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Nigel - speaks truth to power!  How is he still alive?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 15:46 | 2913707 Dareconomics
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Can we vote for this guy on November 6?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:12 | 2913822 proLiberty
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Fiat money and central banking (redundant)-- the path to political and economic serfdom via infinite and perpetual debt.

He who has the gold make the rules.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:15 | 2913835 bullsonparade
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"The world faces an unholy alliance between politicians and bankers." ~ Nigel Farage. Just to clear the record to the countless people that seem to think Nigel is working for the Bank of England and only the City of London. He is working for the United Kingdom and its future in a globalized world it seems to me.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:43 | 2913953 elwu
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Can we Germans hire this brilliant guy to take over chancellorship in Germany? So Merkel and her socialist gang of bailoutomaniacs would finally be stopped to shovel over German taxpayer's money to the finance industry everywhere and to the ClubMed nations for generations to come.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:51 | 2913972 hairball48
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Too bad Nigel Farage isn't on a webcast every night of the week. He'd eventually draw huge numbers of "hits". He'd be great.

Buy gold and silver bitchez. The end is drawing nigh

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:55 | 2913983 khotel
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I'd love to hear the comments coming from the other MEPs while Nigel is speaking and the chatter afterwards.  Capturing those would be entertaining and revealing. 

 

Go Nigel!  

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:57 | 2913992 Colonial Intent
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He is a freemason after all,

"The oath that I was required to swear calls upon me to, 'Maintain the Franchises and Customs (of the City), and will keep this City harmless'. I only wish that all members of Parliament would swear the same, or at very least anybody involved in setting Treasury, trade or European policy as it seems apparent that keeping the city 'harmless' is the least of their concerns."

The Corporation of the City of London exists outside many of the laws and democratic controls which govern the rest of the United Kingdom.

The City of London is the only part of Britain over which parliament has no authority.

 

Just sayin,

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 17:26 | 2914069 GFORCE
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Nigel already survived a shady plane crash!

Rumpoy and Barroso sneer at him and see him as the court jester. Gets his 5 mins of speech but it's echoes off into the night air before they all call it a day and head for the champagne and duck confit.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 17:46 | 2914131 bunnyswanson
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http://seattletimes.com/html/politics/2019181572_apeuinsultfine.html

 

BRUSSELS —

 

How much does it cost to tell the one of the EU's top officials he has "the charisma of a damp rag?" About (EURO)3,000, or close to $4,000, as a European member of Parliament has discovered.

 

In 2010, Nigel Farage, an anti-European Union member of the EU Parliament, rose following a speech by Herman Van Rompuy, the president of the European Council. As Van Rompuy listened, Farage, a Briton, added that the former Belgian prime minister came from "pretty much a non-country."

 

The Parliament docked Farage (EURO)2,980 - 10 days' expenses. Farage appealed to the European Court of Justice. It ruled this month that he filed his appeal too late and would also have to pay Parliament's legal expenses.

 

The decision was posted on the court's website on Monday.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:32 | 2914251 Ghordius
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Now imagine a Congressman from Florida callind Texas a non-entity.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 19:39 | 2914444 littleguy
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Belgium is a non-entity, shit for brains.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 02:40 | 2915051 Ghordius
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is this a matter of faith nowadays? I confess I'm quite puzzled at this. Belgium is a sovereign country. I'm not sure why this originally joking matter of Brits making fun of Belgium has become such a serious thing. apt nick, btw

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 06:41 | 2915214 _underscore
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So sovereign, in fact, it can get along quite nicely without a government:

 

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2052843,00.html

 

Perhaps it's the new model for European democracy, i.e. elected national govt now an optional extra.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:27 | 2915227 Ghordius
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lol, yes. but it's their business, isn't it? it's not like they don't have a parliament, it was only the little matter of not having a strong majority in it, and so the government they decided on was a "caretaker" (aka technical) government. several countries in europe have those, from time to time, including Sweden and Italy. goes with the proportional electoral system - that btw gives Nigel Farage a voice in the european parliament but not in Westminster.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 19:49 | 2914472 Bennie Noakes
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UK GDP: $2.4T

Texas GDP: $1.2T

Florida GDP: $0.75T

Belgium GDP: $0.5T

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 20:17 | 2914539 mendigo
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It would be rude and untrue but he would not be fined - though I would hope that he would appologize.

But we need people who speak thier mind - sometimes those peolpe will offend and should correct themselves and avoid repeating that mistake.

Why would he suggest that belgium is a non-entity? Clearly he is aware that it is an entity.

Was his point to say that it is having influence far beyond what it deserves relative to it's physical and economic size?  We have such a place as well - we call it Washington DC and it also is filled with self-important, useless bureaucrats. Does that sound like where he was going with that.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 02:07 | 2915038 Amagnonx
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He said Belgium was a non country because they could not form a govt for about a year - they had a care taker govt in place for ages - so he was being perfectly accurate.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 02:42 | 2915053 Ghordius
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LOL - so a country is only such when there is an assertive and powerful government steering and changing things, instead of a place where people can live peacefully under their own laws?

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 06:44 | 2915219 _underscore
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Do you realise what you've just said - and whose laws btw? Seriously, not joking.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 06:53 | 2915228 Ghordius
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the Belgian Parliament(s) did never stop to function and legiferate. so?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 17:37 | 2914100 TWSceptic
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When I hear him giving a speech I always get the feeling that one day people will have much more respect for him. But by then it may be too late...

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 17:46 | 2914124 TheObsoleteMan
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Is Britian really recovering from it's bout of Stockolm Syndrome? Slowly, more and more are begining to come around to the fraud their political system is {just like ours}. I do know the BNP is picking up counsel seats, that can't be a bad thing.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 17:57 | 2914147 zerozam
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First Obummer, now the EU.

"The award of that Nobel (peace) price devalues that whole whole organization"

Priceless!!!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:00 | 2914157 Gimp
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Making plans for Nigel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXNhL4J_S00

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:08 | 2914181 zippy_uk
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I love Nigel but for me Daniel Hannan is even better - devastatingly accurate and incisive and packed full of eloquence and cultured insight.

When either of these two stand up and speak the sycophants at the BBC literally start shitting bricks for fear their beloved EU might be in political danger.

What these muppet EU brethren fail to under stand is that the Euro is a project concieved, owned an run by and for the big European banks and that ordinary EU citizens are simply in the way and are to be treated as disposable collateral to be bargained away for the greater goal of a one European super klepto-corporate banking complex.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:54 | 2914300 Temporalist
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Here are some Daniel Hannan clips.  The first one I highly recommend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgDRGtbyxmc @ CPAC 2012 30min discusses US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, EU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PRJgf90EcU 12min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2c0RXaNmVg on Freedom Watch 10min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZX8D7grPDg on Ron Paul 2min

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:13 | 2914193 Freddie
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Mario Monti = Goldman Sachs puppet

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:17 | 2914206 zippy_uk
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You missed off Mario Draghi and Lucus Papademos

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:26 | 2914237 chump666
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Iceland must be laughing it's f*cking head off.

 

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:28 | 2914244 stairmaster
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In case it has not been done I here by nominate Nigal for honorary lifetime membership in ZH! 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 19:17 | 2914400 q99x2
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Go Nigel.

Now there is a guy that knows how to move an entire political party up the ranks. His strategy of honesty would certainly work in the US given the similar situation facing the US.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 19:25 | 2914414 frenzic
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The guy is a politician. Wake up people. Talk is very cheap. Don't be fooled for the Nth time.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 07:43 | 2915280 Peterus
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Political process in a democracy rewards people well connected to their parties that have no beliefs (or don't act on them) but just swim with the tide. When there are votes to be made by bribing miners - be the friend of the miners, when it's unions go with unions, when it's military industrial complex - etc.

However it is still possible to vote for people based on principles and it is possible to actually try and hold some public office with regard to principle. It is going against the tide and almost all of the people that would try such foolishness - loose and are out. It is to be expected that in world of politics there is much more evil men than in mainstream, but no necessary all of them are.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 19:43 | 2914450 1654american
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The Kingdom of Europa in the making. I lived in Germany for 10 years. They will not bail-out slacker nations. Germans hate giving their Turk immigrant population social welfare. For that matter, they still hate paying billions to integrate east-Germans into their social welfare net. Germans absolutely will not continue this madness.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 20:02 | 2914511 caimen garou
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need a lot more nigel's in the world, would like to see him here in the US as a moderator at the debates.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 20:05 | 2914517 Die Weiße Rose
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Another good reason to support Irish, Scottish and Welsh independence !

Nigel F. is the perfect example of why England is going the way of the Dodo.

12 trillion of UK national Debt and no-one left to pay -

the old Empire is fast going bankrupt - both morally and financially

all that is left now are corrupt politicians like Nigel Farage -

and other bankrupt banksters manipulating the Libor Rate....

to save London - the " financial scam Centre of Europe"

for every corrupt politician, drug-dealer, ponzi tax-dodger in the world.

but who will save the old british  Empire ?

Nigel Fart ?

wr;)

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 20:34 | 2914573 bunnyswanson
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Voters who are expecting a man to step up to the plate and save them are not in a position to be choosy.  If you want more than Ron Paul or Nigel Farage, perhaps Jesus Christ himself should run (or walk on water).  But I do not see him anywhere.  Do you?

 

These men are putting their lives on the line by speaking up against the global banking cartel which is an organized criminal syndication - paying vast sums of stolen money to politicians to change the laws and turn eyes blind.

 

What more do you want>  Nigel and Ron are not perfect ... no one fucking is.  Not even you asshole. 

 

But there are not a lot to chose from.  And those who do speak out you can bet there are repercussions not quite as harsh as a bull#t to the brain, but certainly in the crony capitalist world we live in, the consequences are there at every turn.

 

Ingrate, you are.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 20:11 | 2914531 janus
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if there were even two nigels, janus would consider relenting on his campaign to quash democracy.  so while i'm irritated over the desperate shortage of nigels, i am happily reminded of the power of ONE.

mr. farage (possibly a hugenot name...good for you, nigel),

you are a credit to our species, to great britain, to the last dying ember of representative democracy, to the virtues of nobility and honor, and, most especially, you continue to demonstrate the potency and earth-shaking dynamism latent in every single INDIVIDUAL. 

a song for farage, and for all those considering a career in Nobility and Honor (young man, the firm of Nobility & Honor doesn't pay as well as goldman or JPM, but the benefits package is matchless...what's more, you acutally get to become a MAN -- something you will never encounter in the boardrooms of megabanks.  at least consider the offer before you sell your soul and deny your household the presence of manliness).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWKGhwwVgKY

and everybody knew you didn't give no lip to big nigel/

big-bad nigel,

janus

 

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 20:39 | 2914579 mendigo
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Love this guy.

It is amazing how a person can be one of the few speaking the truth and yet can be portrayed as a raving lunatic?

Truth has no impact on these people - they don't understand it's purpose.

I get that look at work sometimes - as if to say: "Why are you saying this - don't you realize that what you are saying is not what I wanted to hear."

I am becoming confused about what truth actually means and does it have any value, but when I listen to this guy I am reminded that truth still matters. Even if in the end it will lose to power.

The enemies to our nation live within our own borders. Why do we keep attacking others in the name of self-defense? We are like the boy in Firestarter - we get mad and things spontaneously ignite. When Kennedy created the confrontation over missles in Cuba, they were in our back yard, being placed there by a nation which made it clear that they were our enemy and hoped to destroy us. So what now Isreal is part of the US? But of course it is not about Isreal, it is about protecting our supply of oil - which is valid but there's got to be a limit to what we will do.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 21:11 | 2914625 Democratic koolaid
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does Facism ring a bell?

 It is no coincidence the P.I.G.S. are all around the outside of the centraly planned E.U.

 

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8510603.stm

Iceland passed on the koolaid altogether haha. 

"Iceland must be laughing it's f*cking head off."

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 21:17 | 2914663 Insideher Trading
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Bush's fault.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 21:25 | 2914676 Insideher Trading
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No.

But I'll let you guess again.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 21:23 | 2914671 mendigo
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3rd party debate on rt.com right now

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 21:25 | 2914679 rsnoble
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I'm surprised this guy is still alive. One thing's for sure...he certainly tells it like it is. You'd never get the mic in the US talking like that.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 21:39 | 2914709 Uncle Remus
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Wow. The Brussels Putz Club must meet in the same room.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 21:44 | 2914716 ebworthen
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Europe will splinter.

Subjugation will not hold.

National interests will take precedence; and the Euro experiment will end.

I predict that France will be the last holdout in hanging on to the currency and the dream.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 21:56 | 2914740 surf0766
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I like him but how many years have these rants been played around the web? What has he actually done?

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 22:04 | 2914746 deerhunter
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As the markets crash tomorrow I will be in the woods with my trusty bow hunting winter meat.  Tax free I might say as well not counting the price of the hunting license I guess.  I'm outta here.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 22:37 | 2914795 GottaBKiddn
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Forget all the quaint sentimentalities, war is about banking interests.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:05 | 2914836 dexter_morgan
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If only Ron Pail had this guys oratorial skills!

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 23:34 | 2914877 ak_khanna
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Can't people like Nigel be put in prison for being a risk to the society or something?? 

How dare such a high ranking politician speak plain and honest truth..... 

The first thing that you are supposed to do when you join the government or political party at any level is take out everything like honesty and integrity from within your and stuff yourself with contributions from powerful individuals and institutions so that you think, speak and act only what is told to you by them.

The U.S. government (this is applicable to governments almost everywhere) is a morally corrupt government willing to sell their own family for money. The arms and ammunition industry and the banking cartel own the politicians in power. They use their money power to get only those politicians elected who work solely for their profit motives. The rest of the world population be damned. The only activity they do is pacify the majority of the population using false statistics and promises of a better future so that they do not lynch them and their masters while they are robbing the taxpayers.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article35345.html
www.letstalkmoney2012.in

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 05:10 | 2915169 Dead Canary
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Man crush.

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