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The 46 Million Foodstamp Man March - An Infographic
America has over 46 million people on Food Stamps. The food stamps program's real name is Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). The Food Stamp program is "hidden" from view through Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) Cards that work just as credit cards. This article visualizes the size of the program and the vast amounts of people participating.
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The story of the "47 percent".
and...
Is it just me? Or is today's multiple fiber optic Voice line cut and router crash suspicious?
I can see one fiber cut. But, TWO?? Coincidence?
Or is it a probe for weakness? A trial run for a false flag event?
Hmmmmmmmm......
Probably just a cruise ship dragging its anchor, they don't even notice the drop in fuel economy.
JPM awaits the signal to turn all those EBT cards off!
Only then do the fireworks begin.
in the interest of accuracy the men in the infographic should really be much fatter though.
i wonder if that would muck up the visual...
Panem et Circenses, Canemes!
Gracchus: [about Commodus] I think he knows what Rome is. Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the senate, it's the sand of the coliseum. He'll bring them death - and they will love him for it.
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Gracchus: "He enters Rome like a conquering hero. But what has he conquered?"
Falco: "Give him time, Gracchus. He's young, he may do very well."
Gracchus: "For Rome? Or for you?"
"If Romney win da election and take away my EBT I'm a gunna pop that muthr in the head with a cap"
~G-Dawg
SNAP pays out a couple hundred dollars each and every month?
Wish those folks were smart enough to see this cannot go on forever.
Anyone can grow a bunch of parsnips and raise many, many, rabbits with a one-time cost of just a couple hundred dollars.
Rabbits, they breed like rabbits. Imagine a lean, chemical free, salt free, hormone free hot dog that keeps reproducing itself.
Here is a simple dinner from last Friday consisting of our own rabbit, sautéed in homemade vinegar, with puréed garden parsnips, and a glass of our family cow's raw milk.
What did you have for dinner last Friday? Where did it come from?
I fully agree with your thinking for those who can, but I would point out there are many who cannot -- especially the very people who use food stamps. Rabbits may not require a lot of land, but no one in an apartment or condo could keep or breed enough of them to make a meaningful difference in their food costs. Buying, feeding, providing medical care to, or having the land on which to keep a cow is beyond the reach of most of the people who use food stamps.
You, sir, have never been to China.
Lots and lots of unused rooftops, vacant lots, greenbelts, and highway medians here in the third largest city in the USA. Lack of space is not the problem. Our rabbit cages are only 2 ft deep, 7 ft tall, and 12 ft wide.
Most of these people are not getting SNAP because they would starve without it. Just like they are not getting free hover chairs because they are truly handicapped.
They are getting SNAP and hover chairs in exchange for their votes.
Exhibit A:
I know this lady. I know where she lives. I know she gets SNAP.
She can walk. She could have a big garden.
We enable her to do neither.
See how happy she is?
She needs a libertarian for a neighbor, cracking the whip her way now and then.
No. All of her needs are fulfilled by the government, and what a fulfilling life she leads. Isn't it obvious?
Please, start sending food to Europe.. ASAP!
If you don't want to or "think you can't" do hard work in terms of getting healthy (as HH suggests in fine detail- kudos to you, HH), just cut out sugar laden beverages, whether soda, lattes, juices, etc.
Americans derive 33% of their calories (in the form of refined sugar) from sugar-saturated beverages, on average.
Sugar and simple carbs are far more a health threat than saturated fats are, given that regular intake leads to the dreadful pancreatic stress known as the insulin spike roller coaster, where your body has to produce more and more insulin, at more frequent intervals, in order to regulate blood sugar levels, which leads to insulin resistance (and then Type II Diabetes as well as other serious, adverse cardiovascular and even pulmonary conditions).
Google Gary Taubes if you want to learn more about how the medical establishment and big pharma have either unintentionally or intentionally led people down the causation/correlation trap with their conventional theories on LDL cholesterol causing cardiovascular disease, rather than being a consequence of it. Cholesterol is produced in response to high C-reactive protein levels, aka inflammation. Statins? They reduce inflammation. They do not prevent it.
Inflammation is the most under-appreciated cause of disease, whether cardiovascular or otherwise, in current times, and it's the primary cause of that which is mistakenly attributed to high LDL cholesterol levels.
Cut out the sugar and do moderate exercise and you'll do more to improve your health than 100 years of taking statins and cutting out saturated fats will ever accomplish.
p.s. - Unlike what HH presented above, as an example of "clean food," here's what constitutes 83% of the "healthy seafood" Americans think they're consuming:
The Farmed Seafood You're Eating May Have Been Raised On ... International Business Times AU-Oct 17, 2012---
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Many Chinese seafood farmers feed their fish animal waste---
FDA dropping the ball in protecting Americans against contaminated seafoodFor all you lazy f*cks who I'd like to share some fountains of wisdom with:
Remember when "they" told us eggs were bad for us? Remember the hundreds of other things that were allegedly bad, but since have been proven to be actually good? Remember when there was no mention of sugar intake as inducing highly inflammatory and insulin adverse systemic consequences and changes?
Cliff Notes: Eat clean meat if you can (have your butcher grind whole cuts into hamburger; buy antibiotic free if you can-- even better if you can source meat from livestock that's been fed what it was supposed to eat, and not bulk candy, spinal tissue, and whatever else was waste or cheap to buy). Exercise 3x a week for 20 to 30 minutes (more if you can). Eat lots of nuts, eggs, vegetables, legumes, olive oil, sunflower seed oil, canola oil, fruits and vegetables. Do not fear saturated fats in meats within reason. Avoid sugar, highly processed foods (most things in a bag or box that last for a long time), white flour, and other simple carbohydrates. Do not smoke. Stay the hell away from almost all restaurants with few exceptions, and especially fast casual and fast food restaurants. Know who produces your food and prepares it if possible.
Many thanks for links and comment TIS!
+1
I think you are over-generalizing and over-simplifying, including problems of property use -- somehow I don't think rabbit cages in the public greenbelts, highway medians, or many other locations would go over well with many people including the wealthy who don't want to look at them or smell them -- but no doubt you make good points. As a society, we need to be more creative about finding solutions such as yours. The problem as I see it is weeding out the abusers, for which there is presently basically no mechanism at all.
As for the buying votes explanation for food stamps (and presumably other welfare), I don't quite agree. I think it has more to do with preventing a revolution by giving people just enough that they don't bother paying attention or doing anything about the injustices around them. I totally agree with you that doing this enables people to do nothing, creating a vicious cycle.
I assume we agree that most poor people are not going to turn into cattle ranchers anytime soon.
As opposed to cats, dogs, parrots, and fish tanks?
I for one would much rather live in a community surrounding fields of herbs, vegetables, and grains, than a gold course with drunks chasing a ball around an artificial scenery.
Yes, as opposed to pets -- one or two rabbits won't do any good to anyone. If an apartment complex full of people all kept enough rabbits to have one (each) for dinner every night, you're talking about a lot of cages and a lot of rabbit shit. And you still haven't addressed where all of the cows are being kept for this complex.
In Manhatten and Boston they used to have several dairies where the cows were mostly fed leftovers from breweries.
Before cars, cities like London, Paris, Manhatten, Boston, Chicago, and San Francisco were home to hundreds of thousands of horses. Believe it or not.
I believe it, but times have changed. These cities are all mostly paved over now and last time I checked people are still driving around on the highways and going to the box stores, so until that changes (like it is beginning to in Detroit), the rabbit farms are going to have to wait I think. But having said that, I'm all in favor of a discussion of such things. I would vote for the creation of green areas to support rabbit farms. Of course that would cost tax money too, but if implemented correctly it would enable a self-sustained eco-system for those willing to do it. Of course there are other practical problems like the drug dealers who would probably kill the rabbits for sport in the poorer areas.
Best way to vote for something is to take your own money and do it.
Worst way to vote for something is to tell some other guy to take my money so some third guy can do it (maybe).
You mean like bridges and airports? Yeah, I'll bet you'd never use either unless you could personally pay for it out of pocket.
"You mean like bridges and airports?"
Wait...they just SAID they spent a trillion on bridges & roads..."shovel ready" or sumpin or other.
Why does the gov't have to build those? Has no private entity ever built a bridge, road or airport?
Has no private entity ever built a bridge, road or airport?
Actually, yes. The Beesley's Point bridge in Somers Point, NJ was built by an Automobile club. And was used by the Garden State Parkway. That is until, of course, the GSP built their own bridge, and put the BPB out of business.
And traditionally, throughout history, merchants built the trade routes.
Who built the Silk Road? Both of them? Merchants wishing to trade goods and services.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2012/07/29/no-president-obama-it-w...
When people say, "who will build the roads", they really mean, 'who will build the "free" roads that I can use?
Private companies build them, but the public pays. I'm not aware of any society where they are privatized.
"Private companies build them, but the public pays."
Yes and no...the money actually comes from pink, skittle shitting unicorns being beaten mercilessly by crony capitalist idealogues. The ledger says they've been broke for decades now but maybe a little more fairy dust will make it all balance out in an alternate universe.
The San Francisco Bay Bridge is an example of why we don't need Govt. to build bridges.
You mean like bridges and airports? Yeah, I'll bet you'd never use either unless you could personally pay for it out of pocket.
Yes, because in the context of this thread, he's clearly talking about bridges, isn't he?
And of course, you couldn't possibly build an airport without the gubmint providing the finance. No, sir!
LTER jumps the shark. Again.
Anyone ever calculate how much of a covert, direct, corporate subsidy to junk food megacorps this is?
Thats one of the reasons I oppose unlimited SNAP/EBT.
They're not buying rice & beans with it and the more people on it the more government employees needed to "service" their "customers".
Yes, the government uses those terms for wards of the state...customers and service.
Don't you think thats weird in itself?
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No?...lol. Idiots.
I think it says somewhere that it is $71Billion a year....so, in answer to your question: $71 Billion
some of us realise that SNAP cards that award JPM a cut every month, and that are primarily used in supermarkets that are not so profitable these past few months, are a form of corporate subsidy that uses poor people as a conduit.
in the same way that unemployment is funneled through USBankCorps, and they too get a cut of the profits, not to mention all those pixelated fiat credits help them balance the books *wink-wink*
so yes, while poor people are being used like geese for pate, in that they are of NO use unless they're BEING used, it really is a corporate system prop-up. . . they also fulfill a great service by giving the smug something to point fingers at, and take pictures of - particularly if they fall into the "black" or "female" or "fat" category - bonus points if you find one that hits all yer targets - I'm sure she gave her permission to be used as an example for ZH posters to tut-tut over, hmm. . .
and while I'm sure we'd all love to see the po' folk farming rabbits/chickens/etc. - there ARE city laws, neighbourhood associations, for example:
http://www.mrsc.org/subjects/pubsafe/animal/livestock.aspx
zoning laws, regulations, etc. - and then there's the FDA, working hard to implement the Codex Alimentarus global food regulations,
http://www.naturalnews.com/030588_Food_Safety_bill_blue_slip.html
as we all (should) know, these "bills" are always incremental creeps toward full spectrum control - this one didn't pass, due to a technicality, so you can expect it to be put forward again soon, after they tweek it some. but the bottom line is .gov doesn't want any food sufficient folks undermining their future scenarios. . .
Someone is "smug" because they point out theft & fraud.
Interesting times.
If You See Something, Say Something!
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/02/see-something-say-something-campa...
There is a distinct difference between theft and a paranoid nanny state don't you think?
Washingtons blog?...lol.
yup, chose washington's blog from the many examples, since he's a frequent ZH poster ^^
take it up with the management.
"See Something, Say Something!!"
As if what exists is what will remain. Times are changing fast. And economies are more likely to get more local than more global in the near future. Lots of folks won't be around either.
Can't you see he built a condo for his rabbits. He lives in the suburbs and has to be mindful. You don't eat one every night, you're lucky if you have one on Sunday. You hold them by the legs and wack them with your hand in the back of the neck. It's the most humane way. And if you're smart you make a hole in the leg and fill them with an air hose to get the skin off.
As for the buying votes explanation for food stamps (and presumably other welfare), I don't quite agree.
If you don't think government benifits is buying votes, just look at the explosive growth of these benifits
http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-rise-of-government-dependence-2012-9?op=1
Then consider the demographics. Now drive through the inner city (if you feel safe) and guess how many are voting for team blue??
Long hover chairs and rabbit feed?
I have rabbits but my kids won't let me breed them for our daily meal. I have to snag a chicken once in a while. The kids count the rabbits though but I guess if I bred them just enough, the kids would loose count.
Sheep are a whole 'nother story. Our lamb only comes from our friend's farm and their kids only get to eat the lamb from our farm. Or so the kids believe ...
I'm sorry but I can't help but take exception to your statement. How on earth can you justify shielding your children from reality. How will that benefit them?
When my daughter was little we one day pointed out chickens on the side of the road and said something about chicken strips. She voiced a comment about those chickens being regular chickens... different than "dinner" chickens. ha ha. It was so funny. Wasn't sure at the time how to burst that little bubble. We took a couple of years to let it sink in and she eventually put 2 and 2 together. Funny memory.
I want to say, somewhere in the Rockford or Joliet area. A recent migrant from the city maybe. One of Daley's refugees.
Last I heard, Chicago is now fourth largest. Sorry.
Oh, you're talking size, not population.
Then I would take a guess that's somewhere outside the beltway.
Had a huge guy at work several years ago. It was I'm sure in part due to having an 8 hour a day job sitting in a chair answering the phone and using a computer. Is it just a coincident that within a year of getting a doctors note so he could park in handicapped parking and avoid the only exercise he got all day, a 200 yard walk into and out of the office, that he died from a heart attack?
Thank you and very well stated. As poor farmers we raised a ton of rabbits and raised all of our own food. Didn't even have hot water or inside bathrooms but we never wanted for a good meal. Rabbit is very tasty, easy to clean and very meaty. Cheap meat. I may do a little of that again and hope the HOA doesn't see them
In a pinch, (WWII) you'd be amazed how many rabbits you can grow in a closet.
Liar liar liar! She got on dem gardenen gloves. She riding on out to garden. She planted a whole row of chips just yesterday
I just harvested some potatoes today! A few seed potatoes and a summer of watering, and you can grow your own chips. They just have to be prepared right ;)
hedgeless_horseman
I'm sorry but a single example of a fat black woman on a scooter doesn't truly make your case.
Up front, we garden. We are both disabled and we do hurt because of the physical disability. But we still grow some of our own food and have for years.
I know people who are incapable of keeping houseplants alive. Iknow severely handicapped, both physically and mentally, who would not be able to focus enough to keep a houseplant alive.
The reality is some people could function the way you claim. Some could not. I sincerely doubt the vast majority could.
To assume that everyone has equal skills and abilities is the worst fallacy ever foisted upon humankind.
And that is what you tried to do.
Having been forced to receive public assisstance in the past I can safely say it don't pay shit. That having a large family is hard to get enough food for.
A lot of assholes here think every poor person eats a shitty diet and wants to suck on the government tit forever.
That isn't true.
And if those same assholes spent any time amongst the GENPOP they would understand that.
And if those same assholes ever needed the help they would be the first crying it ain't enough.
Frankly I'm sickened at the lack of empathy and humanity found here these days. I'm sick of the selfishness and greed. I'm sick of the lies and half truths. I'm sick of the racism and victim mentallity.
I don't give a shit how many people are on snap and I don't give a shit how much tax money is spent feeding our fellows.
You all don't like whats going on get the fuck out.
Start a fucking enclave where all you like minded can sit and bitch aboiut each other.
Move to some country that will allow you to live the lifestyle you think you deserve.
Look in the goddamned mirror, because it ain't the Jews or the Niggers or the Spics or the Obese or the Poor making you feel like a victim.
IT IS YOUR OWN GODDAMNED SELF!
Fucking Jesus show a little dignity and humanity once in a while.
Be the better person.
Lemme grab this before it gets edited.
"We are both disabled and we do hurt because of the physical disability."
Now I understand why you didn't take me up on my "ïnvitation".
"Having been forced to receive public assisstance in the past I can safely say it don't pay shit."
Past or present? And why did you make such a big deal out of people pointing out fraud (EBT paid for lap dances and liquor) on past threads?
"That having a large family is hard to get enough food for."
Tell me about it. You know...they got these little pills that would cut down on that (large families) its like ten cents a day and now its absolutely...frrreeee!!!
Are they not receiving disability benefits? If so, then do you believe they should also receive SNAP?
This asshole here knows 33% of poor persons are obese and 60% of American households do suck on the government tit.
That is true.
Sorry, but I'd rather see my fellow Americans(the 'common' men and women) getting my tax dollars, then the banksters, war profiteers, corporatists, and Israel(or Saud, Pak, etc., etc). Especially since the actions of the latter group have put many of the former in the positions they are in.
s/ wow I must be a communist! /s
wow.
and you post her PICTURE on a international blog with these statements??
fucking unbelieveable.
Why?
hey dude, you're trollin' me tonight, so you've obviously had a few bevvies and are hoping for a long boring thread wrangle.
don't hold your breath.
well, maybe, do.
He's a 911 truth denier.
What else needs to be said?
Hysterical Conspiracy Update: We've found salt in seawater!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8v2TUQomZU (3:44)
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Well the lines would certainly have to be adjusted longer.
These numbers show very clearly, the deterioration in the economic situation of the population.
There's a reason libertarians are opposed to food stamps for the poor. They despise any act of kindness by politicians as it demonstrates the virtue of the state and contradicts their perverted anti-state, anti-Federal Reserve ideology. Politicians got where they are today because they care about the poor and demonstrate compassion year after year to the electorate. After 50 years of exponential growth in government welfare programs for the poor, America now has the greatest upward mobility and wealth equality. Socialists understand that like energy, wealth cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be transferred from one person to another.
B-minus. Could do better.
MDB Definitely jumped the shark on that one.
MDB, printing money to pay for the poor bastards EBT cards causes inflation for everyone else and is not social justice, its stupidity. If the federal government wants to help the poor then balance the fucking budget.
What's worse, reduced government spending with balanced budget or the hidden flat tax that is inflation especially for the poor? Most of them will not understand this.
Regarding the balancing of the budget...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gRHCXu01gP8
Idiocracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM1P7GMnd38 (1:44)
MDB, welcome back.
I have been holding down the fort for you.
Carry on.
Perhaps the biggest hidden tax on poor people is the taxes on businesses. A business doesn't pay taxes anyway they just add the taxes onto the cost of their product and pass them to the consumers rich and poor alike.
Exactamundo.
I thought "Politicians got where they are today because they care about the poor and demonstrate compassion year after year to the electorate." was pretty good.
MDB, you forgot to mention the "social contract" we all signed up for. I do like how there is plenty of red, white and blue on the infographic. We sure do need more patriotism... A-merica!
You owe me a new keyboard.
This is your brain on hopium.
MDB easy on the noise generation.
MDB (not to be confused with My Dying Bride) always anti-nailing it.
Gimme Gimme Gimme..... Gimme some more
Gimme Gimme Gimme..... Don't ask what for!
-Black Flag
True Story:
A Rodney King rioter lugging a new microwave out of a store was asked what the riot was all about?
"It about Axcess to the dollar man!"
(Apparently, the notion of work and its relation to dollar access eludes a good portion of the population)
FUCK YOU mdb. Here in Costa Rica which I am sure you would classify as third world we have no SNAP, no unemployment benefits, very little disability or medicare. And if you get it you wont make do.
We also have no one dying from lack of food. Somehow it works. People help people. Family is important.
SNAP which I agree helps some people who really need it is good to a point. But my point is that USA is basically no different than a third world country like CR.And the scam with disability, snap, section 8 and on and on is a disgrace.
The world is changing. Us third worlders provide better care to our poor than you.
And yes I am a proud wacko Libertarian.
So once again FUCK OFF!! Even though I know you are full of sarc.
Pura Vida
Wait... you chose to respond like that while knowing full well it was sarcasm?
*head asplodes*
I'd hate to see how you'd behave if you were responding to someone you disagreed with.
Rico, What's up with that rant..??
Had I known you treat the 'po folk' that well, I would have sent my dear old mother to a retirement home in your neighborhood.
So, my friend, you are an evil liberetarian, no..?? What to make of that angry mob..?? They want to abolish the Fed and kick the food stampers out in the street...
If that happens here and chaos rules, do you have a spare room at your place for moi..??
Tru dat
Tico, you need to relax. MDB is for laughs, not stroking out!
Pura Vida!
Wow Rodo, an expat speaking for all the natives. Seriously? How's the trust fund btw?
Freedom is a childish thought. The Bandish Back-up Bank is not an openly body of the Banded Rikes of Wineland, but homely, true and of the Lord. Its paper, the fair greenback, is fully backed by troth, which is the pith of fellowship. As thou sayest, the rikescraftmen of our world are where they are in that they have shewn their care for the arm and hungry among us time and again. Wealth can neither be made, nor unmade, but is aught that the Lord giveth to whom He will. The true fellow fraineth naught of our world's midmost steerers, but doth as they say, for he woat that their work is that of the Lord. May the Lord richly bless thee in the ESM, as He has me. Selfhood was never worth a grey groat.
You're probably kidding, but just in case: It's not about lacking compassion, it is about realizing that creating a monster of dependents ends in total disaster. It would be one thing to give someone a helping hand voluntarily, but quite another to be forced at gunpoint to forfeit some of your wealth to another person who will only waste the opportunity. I truly feel bad for people down on their luck, but what I see is not the unfortunate, but rather the ignorant who have spent no time attempting to better themselves and who just desire a handout and who are gaming the system. The few who are needy and work to get themselves back on their feet are a tiny minority of cases. Kids in poor households need the most outreach so as not to perpetuate the cycle, but the welfare state is not the answer to that--its very existence ensures that self-reinforcing death spiral.
For the left who doesn't get the sarcasm: simply giving people money has never helped a single person on this planet in the long run. It has made things much worse for everyone though.
You're too late. There's already people here who do get the sarc, yet STILL choose to whargarrbl.
MillionDoucheBag may indeed be sarcasm, but so the fuck what? I still love trashing the holy FUCK out of him.
Gomer Pyle,
Did you figure out that Million Dollar Bonus is a yearly perk for me..??
Trash away...
How many pople are in the food stamp programs because the Government has removed their personal property (wealth) via taxes and fees .... and then the state gets their wealth by stealing it from others? There can be NO charity from the Government because the money is not theirs, they took it. Charity is a voluntary action. Anyone that sees the state as a chritable organization is a fool.
Starvation is good for labor costs. It's easier to squeeze more productivity from the desperate. The producer's cost can be measured in slices of cold pizza.
Dead slaves make NO bricks.
It's a careful balancing act. By trying to push the "more babies, more work" mantra through culture this has failed in India and Africa where the bust of having too little food then turns to social uprising or people dying in the streets hungry. Still, on the cultural borders of the abstract concept before this happens the desperate slaves do indeed work very hard for their bowl of rice aday.
People were fools to ever believe the "agenda 21" so-called "de-population" plan. That entire sham was to encourage the ignorant to make even more babies in "defiance" of their slave-masters.
Just to be clear for those who do not understand the satire...
A) Libertarian philosophy is not opposed to acts of kindness. It is opposed to the iniation of force. (see B)
B) It is impossible to assign the label of "kindness" to an act which begins with theft at gunpoint
Wrong Douche. We despise people like you, who worship politicians, and seem to love sucking the knee-caps of the aforementioned assclowns at every turn. Go purchase some Chapstick with that SNAP card, Mr. Goldman Suchs and High Delta Puts, and commence to working those ACL's.
wealth cant be created or destroyed.... LMAO!!!
I was talking to a woman whose husband works as a blimp pilot for the FBI (so he tells her if she is telling the truth). I asked what does he do up there? She replied: "He can't tell me.". I said: "They are preparing for societal collapse due to financial crisis.". She said "That's what he thinks too.".
While some who wish for a balanced budget (b/c it makes sence) may not understand the implications.... To put a face of evil on them completely counterproductive. I have demonized those who's job is to deceive / confuse these types of conversation and that has also been counterproductive.
virtue of the state?
stealing from productive people to give to unproductive zombies? LOL yeh keep dreaming
Food banks are a good way, voluntarily, to keep people going who aren't down for good, just down for now. So long as it's consenting (food stamps are not) then it's not a problem. Food stamps come from taxation & also are a skim-operation for JP Morgan which runs it - JPMorgan Is Making Big Profits From Food Stamps! (video erased, will see if I can find another).
Youtube is on a Deletion-Spree for anyone sharing anything exposing the banks it seems, certain key videos with high rates and the entire account is zapped.
I found this , JP Morgan’s Food Stamp Empire - The Daily Beast , and this , Making Fortune on Poverty: JP Morgan's Big Food Stamp Business - RT YouTube
JPMorgan's Paton Interview on Food Stamps: Video - Bloomberg
Food stamps are wasted fiat currency on non-food items.
Just have a food BANK where inflation is HEDGED by having the TANGIBLE food item. If we feel so generous ensure they can get extra food they can barter for other things too. Don't call it "food stamps" then make sure it's for buying everything that's not food. That's patently dishonest & it also means it's not inflation protected FOR THE POOR.
You know the "47 percent" include veterans who receive benefits they bargained for when they signed up and retirees who merely receive benefits they paid for through taxes (SS, Medicare, etc), don't you? They also include posters here like economics9698 who are government contractors who occasionally bite the hand. Are they just moochers to you? If not, then why adopt the term as if it is some kind of knowing wink?
1% 99% 99.9% 47%...
How many ways are they going to continue to slice us?
I don't know..they tell us we are 50/50......................... 50% red and 50% blue.
63.8% white....15.8% hispanic.....12.9% black...........4.8% Asian....1% Indian....1.7% multi racial.
Should I go into divisions by religion?
while the graphics are becoming somewhat stale, they are graphic, and point out clearly how TPTB have managed to mask what is really happening. keeping the breadlines hidden behind cards allows the truth to be concealed like so much dust under a very large carpet.
The heated debate in the comments sections is thrilling. This is true democracy in action. Every commenter here has a clear idea of who should get what from politicians and is making a passionate and well thought out case. This is what the democratic spirit is all about. People don’t want to discuss how to create value in the world and trade it for goods and services. Instead every commenter is engaged in passionate debate about who should receive what from the politicians. This is how adults solve social problems in the 21st century.
Yep until the day the fiat does then all those Breaking Bad scenarios play out.
Good effort. You're more cynic than troll here.
I was going to commend you on this post, but suddenly realized you likely lifted it whole, from HuffPo.
The same phenomenon is depicted in The Road to Serfdom. Instead of the market allocating goods, political factions presume to do so. In the ensuing melee the most violent and radical factions win, since they're not constrained by moral restrictions on behavior.
So yes, the way "adults solve social problems in the 21st century," is the same way that totalitarianism arose in the 20th.
"true democracy" ... "value"
To quote Frank Zappa, "they're WORDS!"
WTF do they mean, really?
Yeah, many want to talk about how they can impose THEIR beliefs on others. There's also those who actually claim to know what the problems are when they clearly do not...
"People don’t want to discuss how to create value in the world and trade it for goods and services."
Food, Shelter and Water.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed.
You cannot have perpetual growth on a finite planet.
All the words do no more than hide the physical realities, allow us to do what we do really well- practice deception.
"And God said: 'Let there be goods and services!'" Ha ha...
+1 One of your finest!!
Yes, this is some of his most delicious work. Keep it up MDB_!
That wasn't nice from you MDB.
So true. They learned their lesson well in '29. It's all sanitized now; much "nicer" that way.
Coke or Pepsi?
Water is better for you. So I'll pick neither.
Iced tea!
100 bags = $4, 1 bag = 4¢
5 bags makes a gallon for 20¢.
1 gallon = 8 sixteen ounce glasses
2.5¢ per glass!
Try and get a Pepsi for two and a half cents.
BTW, it's effing hilarious that I'm getting Walmart ads with this post.
Good gracious, those forty seven million people are taking almost two months of our third QE!
And I'm guessing that Jamie and Lloyd are not too happy about all those poor people getting in on their act of sucking the taxpayer dry.
You do know corporate welfare outweighs social welfare by two to one when comparing Congressionally approved funds. Ratio MUCH HIGHER when Fed's money printing is taken into consideration.
Corporate Subsidies (Corporate Welfare)January 2011
Who do you think runs, and benefits most from those programs? Without such programs the JPMC's of the world need to find another EBT fee gravy train.
Jamie & Lloyd are depending on them. You can't rake a percentage from nothing.
Those forty seven million people are just shy of being able to make a line covering the equator. Now, how many olympic size swimming pools would they fill or how much water will they displace.....will the Netherlands flood? Now that's the real issue. And would it be vulgar of me to call that a shit ton of people?
The only trouble is they didn't "pay" for their benefits like SS and Medicare... They were, and all of us still are, paying for someone else to have those benefits. You might want to read about how those programs really work....
N_Jones
"The only trouble is they didn't "pay" for their benefits like SS and Medicare"
I do pay, my family does, my father did my grandparents did.
When I needed benefits they were there.
I'm not going to bitch about anyone using them.
Get back to me when you need the help and see just how grateful you are.
Crikeys, there are six TBTF CEOS and their top executives whose bonuses are based entirely on the existence of QE. These poor, elederly people are taking away almost two months of our third QE, man! Get some perspective, here. Fourth mansion in Hawaii or catfood for grandman. You have to go yacht.
GF,
Real men dont need help and consider receiving charity a matter of personal dishonor.
I wonder, do you consider the incarcerated - and the monies it costs to maintain them - "charity"?
or all the real men employed by the .gov to hold weaponry and enForce the ever increasing laws?
or the benefits accorded the real men in the banking classes?
given these monies originate via .gov, just curious where you draw the line. . .
You're kinda hung up on the whole man thingy aint'cha?
I was responding to a post that used the "real men" meme - as you would know if you had reading comprehension skills beyond trying to score some interwebz points amongst the dude-posts.
because the recipient of much .gov largesse does actually lie amongst the demographics I used for examples.
if you have a point to make, please do.
You cannot deny whenever the words women or men come up you pounce like a cat...can you? If you knew how a real man felt about accepting or even having to ask for charity, we wouldn't be having this converation.
Its not in a real mans nature to ask for anything from anyone, we just generally do it ourselves. If we ask for something from another man its in exchange for something else or we pay. Women & children and the genuinely afflicted (as strangers) we help as we can. I'm sure this disturbs you to some degree...somehow.
Would you be offended if I opened a door for you ;-)
we've had this exchange before, and I've had it with others, and it's hella boring to me, but here goes anyhow,
when I sometimes point out the fallacies in the predominately argued demographics here, it's because it's a fucking echo chamber with little thought beyond "yah bitches!!" and it doesn't help anyone to encourage shallow thinking.
if you'd LIKE to argue any of my points made, feel free. if all you LIKE to do is stir the shit, then I'll continue to scroll past your spoon.
"real men" don't exist, but they do take up a lot of pixel space, and even some vacant air-space between the ears. the words are definitely used to measure up each of you against the others, but in the end, no one cares a whit, because the goalposts are moved continuously by those who create the "men" story. . .
but I did get a chuckle at your royal "we" - yup. and, just to remind you, as I've said MANY times before, the majority of my friends are male, always have been.
""real men" don't exist"
looks like you had bad time with man.... dont assume every man is a bastard if some treated you like a shit
again, I've had this in-thread non-discussion many times, but here:
I don't subscribe to the "real men" meme, because the gender construct of male--->men, and female--->women is an artificial cultural story - each culture has the list of characteristics applied to their populations. I don't use those rules in the relating-ships I have with other humans, and the majority of my closer friends have the awareness of those constructs and don't use them to measure up to either.
people here are very captured by the MEN rules, and that shows up in the lateral dis-respect, hatred even at times, of anyone that doesn't measure up to their rules - be it "teh gay!" or "teh bitchez!" anyone observing cultures over time, amrka included, will note that degraded inter-actions between male/female as the culture continues to de-volve. of course, the story HERE is that "feminazis" are undermining the amrkn dream. . .
which is hilarious, but understandable as a complaint. the men used to completely dominate all roles culturally, they owned the best jobs, they exclusively ran the gov't, were most of the higher level educators, all of the military, virtually all of the doctors, etc. now they have to compete with the rest of the world, those they've been told are "lesser" - it sucks, but oh well, welcome to reality.
I've not "had a bad time with man" - as I've said repeatedly, I had very sucessful business relationships with males, promoting their musical talents, and have had other working relationships, and personal ones. the difference which most here cannot grok, is these humans with male body characteristics didn't believe at their core that they were superiour humans by virtue of being born with a penis, or a certain familial tint to the skin, etc. they recognised that the culture police - mostly men - enForce the rules (no gay!!! use bitches, but no ho before bro!!, etc.) and decided early on to disregard, or mock even, this out-dated way of being in the world.
most white, heterosexual, able-bodied men don't question their apparent status, but accept the cultural definition of themselves as default human, and measure everyone else against this meme. it's false, has always been false, and it's boring to be around someone who can't get past the OBVIOUS - that there are billions of different humans, and to think one is special because of a random "miracle" of birth characteristics is just very narcississtic, shallow (non)thinking.
which is going to be increasingly challenged as the world de-volves from the stories we've all been fed (by mostly the "defined men" who have held the power all these years, wow, go figure. . .)
"the majority of my friends are male"
And from this selective group of men, that you have accepted as your friends/peers, you have determined the positive & negative qualities of all men?
Must be quite a group ;-)
Apparently, there are 3 mooches who disagree with you.
Be careful what you wish for (others), you might as well get it.
Who didn't pay among the foodstamp crowd (which is 15% of the population, not 47%)? Some have probably paid far more in taxes than they are spending, some did not. I'll bet most have had jobs and many currently do but cannot afford food. Some are just moochers.
Only 49 million Hell the other five out of six can afford to pay SNAP, TANF, UNemployment for 99 weeks, Section 8, SSI, WIC.... No prob bro...
There was a quote out there by some uber-capitalist that said that capitalism wouldn't work with welfare: back in the 1800s? was it George Will (commenting on something someone else had said)?
It's ALL about externalizing your impacts/costs. The System cannot utilize everyone (this is one of the fallacies that the "bring back the jobs" people spout [when in fact they're just helping set the case of lower taxes for corporations to "return" to the US- not qualifying this, just stating that we need to be blunt about what is being pushed]).
The robots aren't able to keep up with the demands of the humans...
They bargained for benefits when they signed up? Are you kidding me? Enlistees dont bargain the terms of their enlistment with Uncle Sam. And you receive food stamps (excuse me, SNAP) regardless of whether you paid taxes. If you paid no social security, you can still get SNAP. The program is ridiculous. The entire system should be reformed. When you lose a job, you should receive a lump sum payment so you have an incentive to find work sooner rather than milking the benefits until they expire. Yes, that may result in a windfall to people who find new work early, but what's wrong with that? The total benefit amount can be adjusted to take that into account.
SNAP benefits JPM, and subsidise the "food industries" via super-markets, etc.
that people eat is a mere by-product.