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Forget 1%, 99% Or 47%: It Is The Turn Of The 70% To Be Pissed

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Whoever expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization expects what never was and never will be.
-Thomas Jefferson


Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.
-George Carlin

The Seventy Percent
People are going to be pissed off no matter who wins this election and that is a very important social dynamic I believe is vastly under appreciated by the majority of mainstream pundits and analysts out there.  This is also very distinct from the environment that prevailed in 2008.  Four years ago, the financial markets were crashing and the economic future of America was circling the toilet bowl, yet a majority of Americans embraced the potential of a young, inexperienced biracial politician from Illinois who was saying all of the right things.  Despite the gigantic disappointment he has proven to be as President, there is no denying that he had all of the Democrats and most Independents under his spell on this day four years ago.

Fast forward to 2012 and the country isn’t “divided” as mainstream media talking heads like to say.  The country is pissed off.  Genuine and legitimate frustration permeates the land from sea to shining sea and rightly so.  Ever since the banker coup of 2008, crony capitalism has been institutionalized as the only real way to make money.  If you aren’t connected or “too big to fail,” sorry but America isn’t the place for you.  What makes the economic nightmare so much worse is that it is being coupled with a complete and total decimation of civil liberties.  One by one the Bill of Rights is being ignored and indeed trampled on systemically by the political and economic oligarchs emboldened by their successful takeover of the executive, legislative and for the most part judicial branches of government.  Many Independents disagreed with Obama’s economic philosophy but gave him a pass because he promised to end the wars overseas and restore civil liberties.  Instead, what we got was a President who signed the NDAA on New Year’s Eve 2011, which included section 1021, allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial until the “end of hostilities.”  Well, because now know the Orwellian “war on terror” is never-ending, the indefinite detention is forever.  The worst part is that Obama claims he didn’t want these powers yet when a group of high profile plaintiffs filed a lawsuit against section 1021 and won a ruling deeming it unconstitutional, what was the President’s response?  He appealed it to death until he found a panel of judges to agree with him.  Not only did he want this power, he seems to crave it.  Another well deserved Noble Peace Prize.

The above is just one example of many.  His kill list, which the Administration now refers to as the “disposition matrix,” grows by the day to include people with zero affiliation with Al-Qaeda, and Obama seems to relish in the absolute power of being judge, jury and executioner.  Tragically, a President Romney will be no different.  He is already on record supporting the NDAA, war without Congressional approval and we heard his complete and total support of Obama’s drone strategy during the third and final debate.  Sure, people that care about civil liberties will vote for Romney saying that he will at least be better on economic policy, yet that is the exact same thing people did with Obama in reverse.  They ended up being disappointed with him and Romney will disappoint as well.  These guys are both big government, crony capitalist puppets and that’s the bottom line.

Another thing that must be considered is basic math about the U.S. political landscape.  According to the latest Gallup poll, 32% of Americans identify themselves as Democrats, 28% as Republican and 38% as Independents.  Now of course, amongst the Independents a majority lean more toward one party or the other, but this is much less the case today than it was in 2008 or in any election prior.  Furthermore, the mere fact that so many choose to identify in this manner makes it clear that they are unhappy with either of these political gangs.  These Independents want legitimate third, fourth or fifth party options but instead end up herded into the mainstream parties by a sophisticated corporate scam, part of which centers around the Commission on Presidential Debates, the gatekeeper of these circuses which ensures no alternative candidates can debate and excludes any difficult or uncomfortable questions.

There was a fantastic article written in the Huffington Post yesterday that examines the rampant frustration within the Republican Party titled: Frightened Republicans Try to Close Down Election Competitors, Such as Gary Johnson.  I thought the most powerful quote was:

Both the Republican and the Democratic presidential candidates talk about liberty, freedom, fiscal responsibility, free enterprise, choice and the Constitution. But neither candidate believes in those principles. Elect either Barack Obama or Mitt Romney, and government will be bigger, spending will be higher, regulation will be more intrusive, the military will be fighting more wars, more service personnel will be dying, more money will be wasted abroad, civil liberties of more people will be violated, and more privacy of more citizens will be invaded. Overall, the free society will continue to retreat.

The above is invariably true and brings me to the key point of this article.  Should Romney win, the 28% of Americans that identify as Republican will be thrilled, and the remaining 72% will be largely upset and on edge.  Should Obama win, similarly, the 32% registered Democrat with be thrilled and the remaining 68% will be upset and on edge.  Hence, the 70% referred to in the title of this article.  This is a recipe ripe for social unrest and it will be coming to our shores as I outlined recently in The Global Spring.

Personally, I am done with the two part system and will be voting for Gary Johnson.  I am not playing their games any longer and I will not fall for any more of their scams.  In my brief voting years I have pulled the lever for both Republicans and Democrats, but I do not think I will vote for any one of them ever again.  I implore everyone to do the same, no matter who you vote for, vote third party.  The only wasted vote I see is one for either Mitt Romney or Barrack Obama.


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Fri, 10/26/2012 - 17:38 | 2922760 RacerX
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so your point is either way, you're gonna get tooled.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 17:50 | 2922778 max2205
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Good read until the last paragraph

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 17:57 | 2922785 vast-dom
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be a true patriot this year and JUST SAY NO TO VOTING.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 18:12 | 2922803 NotApplicable
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Yet another fucking voter, spinning the false meme that the polulation is divided based on Tweedle-Dee or Tweedle-Dum.

I can understand why the party polarizers want to promote this meme, but a third-party voter? This is like stupid squared.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 18:54 | 2922889 Parrotile
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So, seeing as both the "Mainstream" candidates work for the same paymasters, you're happy to support the continuation of the status quo?

If it is the case that  Obama / Romney are "the only two candidates you are able to vote for with the knowledge that your vote will somehow count" (which in view of well documented electronic voting fraud in the past, might be somewhat optimistic), then evidence presented via numerous articles throughout this blog clearly indicates that the net end result will be the same irrespective of which of the two wins.

You all demand "change". If you truly believe your vote does count, then use your vote to clearly "get the message across". Vote for who you want, not for who you are "told" is "available" on the ballot form.

You all want "change"? - either mainstream candidate will not provide you with the change you crave. They work for their Paymasters (or have you all been selectively blind for the past decade or two).

Change means electing a NEW system.  If enough have the will to vote for "independents" the message will be clear, and then we'll see if the mandate will be acted upon.

If the Democratic system does not work, the "other option" may well be Civil War. And with a Nuclear-armed superpower that option does not bode well for the rest of the planet.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:24 | 2922943's picture

I own myself and exclusive of all other parties I have the right to make decisions effecting my own life. Where's the lever for that?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:29 | 2922954 Hulk
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In your pants...

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:40 | 2922985's picture

Hey, this isn't a saloon. Which is a damned shame because I could use a snort.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 03:11 | 2923522 Enslavethechild...
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Too much counterfeiting is bad for the economy.

You think?

 Bernanke counterfeits and loans to his Banker friends at zero interest so they can bid up the price of commodities, but when they start making home loans to you and I again in 2014 expect rates to come back up.

Yup, we're getting screwed.

No amount of interest can ever be paid on a loan because they only print the principle of the loan, they don't give you the interest payments because they don't print them.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 08:05 | 2923629 GetZeeGold
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Personally, I am done with the two part system and will be voting for Gary Johnson.


I'm writing in Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin. If you're going to exercise futility....I say go big.


Sat, 10/27/2012 - 08:21 | 2923641 markmotive
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We are living during the decline of capitalist culture. Enjoy.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 08:26 | 2923644 GetZeeGold
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Capitalism is dead, but that won't stop us from blaming it.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 10:27 | 2923719 francis_sawyer
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Welcome to the kleptocracy... Please check your opinions & firearms at the door...

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:18 | 2923069 TeamDepends
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Also known as voting third party.  By no means does that mean we endorse either candidate of course, just that you have to work with what you've got.  Oh well, we will have it fixed by 2016, right?


Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:31 | 2923093 kaiserhoff
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Tylers.  The whole Mess Media make this mistake, but I expect more from ZH.  Please don't confuse the 101 counties of Illinois with the rat shit fraud and criminals of COOK COUNTY.   The demographics of 101 counties are essentially the same as Indiana.  There will be a divorce, or one hell of a train wreck.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:44 | 2923133 GubbermintWorker
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Then when are you all gonna take it over?



An interested Hoosier

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:21 | 2923201 kaiserhoff
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Take over?  Would you want to take over Deeetroit?  Thought we might package them with Gary, and trade them to the Klingons for a couple of sacks of puppy chow.  Suggestions?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:38 | 2923229 GubbermintWorker
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You're a dreamer. No way are both of those places combined worth that much.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:44 | 2923248 kaiserhoff
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I stand corrected.  How about if we throw in a boat load of slugs and gopher guts, or whatever the Klingon delicacy is this week?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:46 | 2923252 GubbermintWorker
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And mutilated monkey meat? They wouldn't be able to resist.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:47 | 2923253 francis_the_won...
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I've got good (and well-informed) friends in Central Illinois.  The stories of state politics almost makes me, being from Cali, feel lucky.

Nice give and take guys, but you left out East St. Louis, didn't you?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:59 | 2923282 kaiserhoff
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When I was a kid, we took a trip to the St. Louis zoo, and on the way in, I swear to god, I saw a black dude carrying the biggest damn channel cat fish I had ever seen. 

Most valuable thing in East St. Louis, then or now.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:22 | 2923366 The Gooch
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On a clear day, you can smell Gary.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:55 | 2923134 GubbermintWorker
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Sat, 10/27/2012 - 03:17 | 2923524 CompassionateFascist
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On 6 November (National Buy-a-Gun-Day), I'll be at Rick's Gunshop. Prolly get a Nikon sniperscope and see about some .308 armor piercing. Then I'll go to the polling place and vote on a couple of Initiatives...Robamany? Or the local ZOGscum? Who the f**k cares.   

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 08:09 | 2923633 northerngirl
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Your right to own guns will not matter once the UN Small Arms Treaty is signed by Obama.  This is his way of getting around the nuisance of the Constitution.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:16 | 2923195 TeamDepends
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We make no mistakes and we are not confused.  Hell, four years ago we voted for Bob Barr because it was him or BHO or McCain.  There needs to be at least 5 parties or 0 parties but certainly not two.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:30 | 2923221 The Gooch
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Amen to that. I escaped last December. Whole different demographic. Train wreck concurrent with THE proverbial train wreck.

All signs point to +/- 2 weeks.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 00:23 | 2923415 caconhma
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Retired Brits told to work for pensions.   A senior British peer has provoked uproar by suggesting that the retired should be forced to work for charity or lose pension, the British media reported.
The former head of the benefits agency Lord Bichard suggested that the retired should be encouraged to undertake community service or have their pensions docked. 

Speaking at a House of Lords committee hearing into the impact of the ageing population on public services, Bichard labeled pensioners in the UK as a "burden on the state" and demanded that the UK government cut off some of retired elderly people benefits if they do not contribute to the society by doing a community work. 

“Are there ways in which we could use incentives to encourage older people, if not to be in full time work, to be making a contribution?” Bichard asked fellow members. 

National Pensioners Convention general secretary Dot Gibson accused the former benefits agency chief of casting younger people against senior citizens, saying, "The real division in our society is between rich and poor.” 

A spokeswoman from Unison union compared Bichard’s plans to the coalition government’s workfare scheme, where jobless individuals are forced to work for big businesses without pay. 
Sat, 10/27/2012 - 03:03 | 2923519 Mr Bluesman
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Importantly though, this man is a 'cross bencher', not affiliated to any of the politial parties. He is a career civil servant who has spent his every working day paid by the taxpayer.

I don't think anyone is listening to him.

However, the idea that just because one is drawing a pension that their usefulness to their community is at an end is laughable, and people should be encouraged to get involved in charitable or civic schemes which benefit their local community. To introduce a penalty as encouragement would be foolish and counter productive.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 11:11 | 2923768 jjsilver
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Why are people voting at all. The Organic Laws (Articles of Confederation,Northwest Ordinance, Constitution) of the United States of America limit federal taxation and legislation to the territory owned by or subject to the exclusive legislative power of the United States. United States Territories: District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands Voting is just a way of conning you into the democracy. If I do not have the authority to make laws for my neighbor, and my neighbor doesn't have the authority to make laws for me. Then how does both of us voting for one guy give him the authority to make laws for both of us. It's a fallacy. Ed Rivera It is quite apparent that the modern-day courts function and thrive on assumptions, presumptions, opinions, and contradictions of conclusions of fact to maintain the legal fictions, or fictions of law, which the courts preside over. These devices are for the control of the American people through deceit. SEVEN ELEMENTS OF JURISDICTION Unraveling Federal Jurisdiction within a State-CSPOA - Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association “Citizenship for Dummies” American Governance City of Dallas v. Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944, 945-46 (Tex.Civ.App.-Dallas 1922): "The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been voluntarily surrendered by the citizenship to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 00:50 | 2923445 kekekekekekeke
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Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:30 | 2922956 negative rates
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Here's an easy fix, just drug test the deligates before voting (any positive results would require an explanaton as to why), and then watch um run for the hills.  Ron Paul steps in to fill the 3rd party and we are off and a runnin. 

Oh, corruption will prevent that you say. You could be right.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 06:43 | 2923592 francis_sawyer
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or how about a spelling contest?

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 09:39 | 2923687 11b40
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Would that drug test include alcohol?

How about an jump-shot contest, where my money would be on Obama delegates, or maybe a game of monopoly, where I would bet on the Romney delegates?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:31 | 2922959 HappyCamper
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"If enough have the will to vote for "independents" the message will be clear..."

Enough don't have the will.  That's a simple fact.  That's reality, and I may not like reality, but I live in reality so I deal with it.  A 3rd party candidate never will have a chance to be president in this country in my lifetime.  I stopped voting for 3rd party candidates when I realized that fact.

If you really want change, you've got to pick a viable political party and work within it for change.  If you're upset with what's happened these last four years, you're only real chance for change at this point in time is to vote for the other guy. 

I don't blame anyone for being cynical, but it's much better to light a single candle than sit in the dark and curse the darkness.



Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:46 | 2923004 Dr. Sandi
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Yeah, a single candle can "accidentally" set the place on fire and help me escape this damnable underwater mortgage.

Plus, a house fire makes a very nice beacon in the darkness.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 02:39 | 2923509 Clashfan
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Just so long as you're not prepping for disaster. If you are, you're a terrorist, and they're coming after you first, according to this National Guard whistleblower:

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 09:39 | 2923680 centerline
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I saw that article.  It also works well with that list of things that makes you look more like a terrorist which included buying extra food and other things that preppers do.

Here is my take on this...  It is bullshit.  Disinformation.

What the administration is trying to do is scare people into not prepping - at least not talking about it.  The more that prepping becomes socially acceptable and moves towards mainstream, the more the public is going to wake up.  Seems that show "Preppers" which was geared to make preppers look like fools and crazy people did not quite do the trick.

Plus, they would be declaring outright war on all Mormons.  Might as well nuke Salt Lake City at the point.

Now, the subject of the public waking up is another story.  This would only bring about the end of the current system quicker which raises the risk of the administration losing control (mad max scenerio).  So, from thier perspective (and possibly ours), who can really say what is best in terms of going forward on a basis that truth and justice will prevail in the end.  For those of you want to knee jerk and bash me... please take careful note the caviat about "truth and justice."  If evil is what is on deck next and needs more time to pull off it's master plan, I say pull the plug now.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:29 | 2923090 edb5s
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One problem - how does anyone (with an agenda of real and necessary change) get enough power within either of these "two" parties to actually effect that change?  Pretty sure you won't make many friends in the higher ups of politics by telling them to end the fed, welfare, social security, issuance of unsustainable debt, war, civil liberty-abusing, etc.


In other words, terrible fucking post.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 08:01 | 2923625 Widowmaker
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The only power in politics the last 60 years is money.

...and the Fed ain't political, brought to you by the bureaus of bullshit and horseshit.

Time you get frisked.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:40 | 2923239 MiltonFriedmans...
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Chris hedges said it best. The country is too far down the road toward fascism to expect change via the ballot box. All hope now rests in movements, and being a realist, I must say that hope is slim at best.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:34 | 2923381 Clashfan
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Voting in national elections (for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or write-in) is for the truly deluded.

Krieger needs to learn more about 911 truth. Then his perspective will mature toward more worthwhile reads.

This is a fluff piece.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 17:37 | 2925950 LooseLee
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So if you can't beat them, join them?  What a cop-out! You sound like my Dad. Change must come! A conformist, like yourself, cannot have an original thought and so follows others like the blind leading the blind. Guess where they end up? Yea, the ditch! Fool.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:31 | 2922960 A Lunatic
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Why drive to town, stand in line, and vote for a non eligible candidate just to "prove" a point to people who don't give a shit? Do what you feel you must, but I derive the same satisfaction by simply staying home and knowing I did not give the appearance of playing their game, by their rules, on their special day. When it takes 2 billion fucking dollars to have a Presidential race that should tell you there will be NO change through the electoral process.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:32 | 2923224 seek
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It's a stretch, but if enough vote for someout outside of the controlled candidates -- even to the point of winning -- we know a controlled candidate would still win. But it would surely scare the hell out of the controllers, since it would show they were losing control.

Seeing as I don't have any other means of saying "fuck you" to them until they show up at my doorstep with a NDAA goon squad, I'll vote just to piss them off.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:54 | 2923268 A Lunatic
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Well it is the one thing you are still truly free to do, and it certainly isn't going to tilt the deck one way or another, so by all means vote and enjoy the peace of mind that comes with exercising your sovereign right to do so. I am a born nonconformist with a free will of iron and I do not bend. I do however find it strange that so many acknowledge and encourage the right TO vote but are intolerant of the right to NOT vote. A bit hypocritical is it not? Too many of these fuckers lack conviction to suit me. Small wonder we find ourselves at a loss as a Nation..............

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 10:30 | 2923721 Race Car Driver
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> ... so by all means vote and enjoy the peace of mind that comes with exercising your sovereign right to do so. I am a born nonconformist with a free will of iron and I do not bend.

Har! Just say 'moo' and tell the group why .gov is necessary to begin with, you big nonconformist, you.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 08:06 | 2923628 Widowmaker
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Insert W Bushit in Florida, where his brother was Gov and Supreme Court United rolled over and has been the judicial abortion clinic for incorporated criminals since.

Like Stalin said, it's not who votes but who counts the votes.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:34 | 2922967 Marco
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Change will come on it's own, the day the US loses it's ability to run trade deficits everything will change. If Democrats are in power when it happens socialism will get blamed and if Republicans are in power neoliberalism will get blamed (of course those ideologies are relevant to neither of them and are almost completely orthogonal to the collapse, but that's besides the point).

You get to vote for the direction of change ... or at least that's the theory, in the modern Diebold world voting has become even more irrelevant than ever :

PS. I don't think there will be much fraud in the actual election though, Romney was set up to lose and that's what he will do without any more help.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 09:56 | 2923700 11b40
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@ Marco wrote:

"PS. I don't think there will be much fraud in the actual election though, Romney was set up to lose and that's what he will do without any more help".

Hahahahahahahaha!  Oh, really?  Is that why Romney just bought a voting machine company?

Does this strike anyone else as slightly problematic?....or, maybe I'm just getting a little too cynical in my old age.

Maybe these vulture capitalists just want to strip mine the company before shipping off all the voting machine design and manufacturing to China.

No fraud, indeed.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:01 | 2923029 Enslavethechild...
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I will vote for Charly Manson before I vote for the two-headed snake...

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 05:49 | 2923570 New World Chaos
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I voted for Charles Manson too!  And Cthulhu, Jim Jones, Aleister Crowley, and Snooki.  All in races with no third party.  No on every single bond issue and ordinance.  Fuck 'em all.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 22:31 | 2923315 vast-dom
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think of it this way: this election we don't have a crazy ass bitch in a helicopter shooting down wildlife; this year we have 2 (more at 4 inc. VPs) crazy motherfuckers ready to shoot down American citizens via remote controlled drones.

come to think of it, better to shoot down the sheeple -- wolves are significanly more noble animal.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:14 | 2923360 Ident 7777 economy
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-1, could have saved yourself (and me) the time ...

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:15 | 2922923 ultimate warrior
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Being a defeatist and pissed off at the world won't help our cause. If you are smart enough to find a site like Zerohedge then be smart enough to vote for an end of the current two party system. Even if a third party candidate got 5-10% it would be a start in the right direction. When the collapse happens people will want/need to support a candidate with libertarian/free market values. It is up to us to get the word out on people like GJ and Ron Paul so in the near future we can take back our country.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:26 | 2922946's picture

"Our cause?" You and I are you and I. There is no we here.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:37 | 2922975 Marco
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Ah, libertarians ... self defeatist and proud of it! :)

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:43 | 2922993 Harbanger
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Crocket never said he was a libertarian.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 09:22 | 2923651 GetZeeGold
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It's too bad they didn't have drones, Hillary, and Bam Bam in his day...the boys at the Alamo would have been saved.


Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:45 | 2922994's picture

I stopped being a libertarian when Paul's campaign ended. Now I'm back to anarcho-capitalism. But you go right ahead and keep believing that either Romney or Obama will save you. Talk about self defeating!

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:47 | 2923005 Harbanger
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Who're you bullshttin!  You were a lefty in Pauls campaign and now you're a lefty "Anarchist" for Gary Johnson.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:51 | 2923010's picture

I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have electoral relations with that candidate -- Mr Johnson.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:58 | 2923020 Harbanger
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Further down you said you voted for more Johnson thrill.  I just exposed another shill in the "libertarian" movement.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:15 | 2923061's picture

You misunderstood. I never voted for Johnson and I never said that I voted for Johnson. Methinks you have shills on the brain.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:44 | 2923136 Dr. Sandi
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Shill out, you guys.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 02:46 | 2923511 Clashfan
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How can anyone "shill out" w/shit like this going on?

Guess you need those rose-colored optimist glasses to read it, though.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:22 | 2923206 Hulk
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Take it easy on the Johnson...

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 01:27 | 2923474 putaipan
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ROCKY !ROCKY ! ROCKY!                      (...... rocky? you there? you still runnin' rocky?)

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 09:41 | 2923688 Hulk
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Hey Crockett, next time, light that see-gar!!!

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:35 | 2923098 Marco
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I don't think either will save any body. It was more an observation of how the rabid individualism in the Laissez Faire crowd (everyone happy with that term at least?) can sometimes prevent any cooperation whatsoever.

PS. I thought you were Libertarian because I associated the "Not Yours to Give" myth with your name.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 22:35 | 2923320's picture

Yes, Not Yours to Give was a reason for the Crockett Almanac theme, but more to the point is the motto of the original 19th century Crockett Almanacs: Be sure you're right, then go ahead.

As for the prospect of individual sovereignty stopping people from cooperating it certainly does make it impossible to cooperate with those who would use force to compel others to do things against their own interest and their own will.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 22:54 | 2923340 Cathartes Aura
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now that you've dropped the "libertarian" theme, are you still pro-life?

the "individual sovereignty" certainly appeals to a wider demographic.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:03 | 2923349's picture

A fetus is alive and human. How could the withdrawal of the only decent candidate in the presidential race change biology? And why do you find those facts to be so upsetting?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:12 | 2923361 Cathartes Aura
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lol, yes, you've maintained your stance despite losing your man.

that's all I was curious about, I'll leave you to your passive-aggressive questioning, as per agreement.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:14 | 2923362's picture

I'm crushed.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:25 | 2923369 Cathartes Aura
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oh, no doubt.

by the way, a fetus,

a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth

is not a zygote,

a cell formed by the union of two gametes

as any medical doctor should know. . .

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:33 | 2923379's picture

And your point is...?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:39 | 2923386 Cathartes Aura
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Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:42 | 2923389's picture

How clever.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 16:38 | 2924310 Cathartes Aura
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returning today to see that a few Conservative Republican - types are still dissonant,

As for the prospect of individual sovereignty stopping people from cooperating it certainly does make it impossible to cooperate with those who would use force to compel others to do things against their own interest and their own will.

as I said, lofty sentiments, that don't hold up when it comes to the desire of Conservatives to restrict "individual sovereignty" for fertile females.  in fact, some would desire to give the State power over a female's "individual sovereignty" via redefining the rights of a zygote over an adult human, and would seek to use State force to make that so. 

Most recently, Ryan has gained attention for supporting the Sanctity of Life Act, a bill that would declare that “human life shall be deemed to begin with fertilization.” The legislation would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade and reflects a growing pro-life push, largely led by state-level advocates, to take more aggressive action to outlaw abortion rather than pursue more piecemeal restrictions on access.

it would seem the trend of Conservatives Republicans towards the VP working on the more controversial issues out of the spotlight will continue. . .

I, on the other hand, recognise that once the State gets a foothold in the freedom removal game, incremental stealthy laws keep getting passed, and one day *poof* one wakes up to their slave-status.

of course, that's okay if we're talking about wombs, who are obviously of lesser status than cock-bearers, as the original Founding Fathers made clear, from the beginning. . . but when it comes to the rights of gun-holders. . .

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 17:01 | 2924338's picture

As I've told you before I endorse no legislation which would block a woman from aborting her own children. I simply recognize the fact that fetuses are human and that they are alive. Why does that upset you? You've never explained that.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 19:48 | 2924570 Cathartes Aura
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why do you continue to insist I'm upset despite multiple ancient posts that assure you I am not?

no need to ascribe emotion to an argued point.

but your pointed choice of words continue to belie your agenda. . .

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 20:16 | 2924611's picture

Yeah, your not upset. Railing against "cock bearers" is a perfectly normal object of conversation. No agenda there.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 20:41 | 2924640 Cathartes Aura
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no emotions required when making distinctions not often acknowledged by many.

plenty of pussy & cunt posts at the Hedge, and yet you don't seem to be trolling that "anger"

but then, you've changed the subject again. . .

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 22:18 | 2924754's picture

Your post quoted me so I replied. Funny how that works.

So just what exactly is the subject under discussion other than your consternation when confronted with the fact that a fetus gestating within a human female is a human fetus and that is, in fact, alive?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:44 | 2922999 Gully Foyle
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You do know Ayn Rand called Libertarians 'Hippies of the Right".

See Libertarians, traditional ones, are actually Anarchists.

Those claiming to be Libertarians are actually small government Republicans.

But hey who am I to laugh at dumbasses that can't even comprehend their political philosophy.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:24 | 2923073 Marco
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Murray Rothbard disagrees about libertarians being anarchists (without qualification). I'm sure he can't hope to comprehend political philosophy as well as you though ;)

Some of you guys are a bit petty in how specific you interpret terms to try to show intellectual superiority. The crazy cook Rothbard himself formulated anarcho-capitalism as a libertarian manifesto, but somehow seeing anarcho capitalism as a substrain of libertarianism is fundamentally wrong? Pull the fucking other one.

As for objectivists ... who cares what they think?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:21 | 2923200 Gully Foyle
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Would he be one of the good Jews or one of the bad Jews?

I can't tell which Jews are safe to trust, according to those here anyway.

Your point was someone disagreed with Rand?

Or was it that you can be just as snarky as the other hipsters?

Much like the Jew question I can't tell the good assholes from the bad ones.

A lot easier to simply view you as another asshole who posted something interpreted from some Jew who disagreed with Rand.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 22:15 | 2923301 Marco
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Don't you mean "us other hipsters"?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:42 | 2923127 mc_LDN
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F*** AYN RAND!!!! That demon's glorification and gratification of the self is the very thing that is destroying this world.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:21 | 2923202 Gully Foyle
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To thine own self be true.

Know thyself.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:39 | 2923324's picture


F*** AYN RAND!!!! That demon's glorification and gratification of the self is the very thing that is destroying this world.


Whereas you seek personal dissatisfaction which makes you a superior human being.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 22:52 | 2923338 nmewn
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I would say its the "ëverbudy got ObamaPhone round here lady" myself.

But wait...that was about self wasn't it?

Let me think about the ramifications of self and society for a moment...done!

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 02:47 | 2923508 TWSceptic
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Without it, you wouldn't even have a computer to type this bs on. The 'world' will be 'destroyed' by collectivists as yourself as it always has been.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:45 | 2923137 Dr. Sandi
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My mom says Ayn Rand was a poopy pants. So how can I believe anything Ayn Rand says?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:23 | 2923208 Gully Foyle
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Dr. Sandi

At least your mom explained shit so you could understand it.

She does have a grasp of your mental acuity and interpreted accordingly.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 03:29 | 2923532 Dr. Sandi
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Thanks. A lot of parents refuse to discuss objectivism with their kids.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:40 | 2923359 gwiss
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It's high time we reverted to having political labels actually mean what their titles imply.  There is no such word as "Libertarian."  It is a manufactured word, created by believers in a philosophy who had the title of that philosophy stolen from them and perverted to mean the opposite of what its word implies.  They had to create an alternate word to stand for what they believed in, and since they still wanted its root word to be liberty, they created the title Libertarian.  However, its philosophy has not changed from the days of Thomas Jefferson.  Yesterday's classical Liberals are today's Libertarians.

In reality, there are only two political philosophies, conservative and liberal.  Conservatives believe that society functions best when a select few at the top control the rest, and thus they attempt to preserve the traditional power heirarchies of their society.  The specifics differ from society to society and from age to age in that sometimes the power heirarchies are religious, sometimes monarchist, and sometimes crony capitalist.  Sometimes they espouse control of the machinery of production and business by the state, sometimes control of society by the workers, but they all share the same trait of the few controlling the many. 

Liberals, on the other hand, believe in liberty, which means they believe that individuals should be free to do what they want, and that allowing society to spontaneously order itself around voluntary cooperation creates the most healthy, productive, and stable society.

Our current political titles of Republican and Democrat are misleading at best.  One would think that Democrats believe in the flawed political system of democracy, but they really don't -- instead they believe in collectivism, which is simply a euphemism for a secular Humanist oligarchy.  Similarly, one would expect Republicans to believe in the rule by law that is the hallmark of a republic, but they don't, instead they believe in a variety of fascism which amounts to a financial and religious oligarchy.

The problems with our current kabuki theater division between Republican and Democrat are twofold.  First of all, today's Liberals have stolen the word "liberal" and made it into something that is the antithesis of its root word, which confuses the hell out of much of the country.  This can be corrected, but we all must begin to insist that the word liberal mean what it says, which is freedom.  For example, say things like "what we need is for true Liberals to band together and admit that public sector unions are an oxymoron" and watch their heads spin. If we begin to consciously use the word in its proper form, it will initially create confusion which is instructive, and this instruction will eventually lead to this ground being retaken,  because the collectivists currently squatting on the word have no leg to stand on as to why it should possibly apply to their philosophy.


Second, we need to realize that both parties currently offer varying mixes of the same philosophy, which is conservativism.  They have each been captured by different conglomerations of interest groups, but neither camp offers liberty in either word or deed.  Thus, if we retake Liberal from the current faux Liberals, then we can once again offer society a coherent political philosophy whose tenets flow naturally from its name, and we can finally retire the clumsy title of Libertarian.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 01:39 | 2923480 John_Coltrane
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Wow, was that some sort of core dump?.  Let me summarize for those you put to sleep.

1)There are control freaks called statists who believe "experts" should tell everyone what to do.  They love concentrated centralized power.  They value authority, rule following and conformity.

2)There are those who value liberty, the individual and the concept of individual responsibility.  They believe as Ayn Rand first proposed that the individual is the engine that powers the world.  Competence, independence, ability and talent are the characteristics of this group.   Merit is the only measure of worth for this group not title or status.

Guess which group contains the libertarians?  (Hint: its the one that doesn't have the second rate, entitlement mentality, losers in it)

Libertarians need government "help" like a fish needs a bicycle.


Sat, 10/27/2012 - 01:49 | 2923487's picture

And here it is set to music:


Please don't mistake me or try to make me
The shadow of anybody else
I ain't the him or her you think I am
I'm just trying hard to be myself
Oh, society's goal is to be part of the whole
That may sound good to you, not to me

Let me be, let me be
To think like I want to
Let me be, let me be
That's all I ask of you
I am what I am and that's all I ever can be

Don't try to plan me or understand me
I can't stand to be understood
I could never give in to or ever live up to
Being like you think I should
I've got some inner need which I'm tryin' to heed
I can't take hand-me-down destiny

Let me be, let me be,
To think like I want to
Let me be, let me be
That's all I ask of you
I am what I am and that's all I ever can be

Don't try to change me or rearrange me
To satisfy the selfishness of you
I'm not a piece of clay to mold to your moves each day
And I'm not a pawn to be told how to move
I'm sorry I'm not the fool you thought would play by your rules
But to-each-his-own philosophy

Let me be, let me be,
To think like I want to
Let me be, let me be
That's all I ask of you
I am what I am and that's all I ever can be

I said that's all I ever can be
I said that's all I ever can be
I said that's all I ever can be

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 10:29 | 2923710 gwiss
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Sure, but I can say everything you said with just two words:  Liberal and Conservative :-)


Question is, which group is larger?  And, if you believe that the Statists are larger, then what options are there?


America began to die when we ran out of frontier, which is where all of the first group preferred to go.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 10:59 | 2923752 nmewn
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Well stated John.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 10:42 | 2923739 Race Car Driver
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> But hey who am I to laugh at dumbasses that can't even comprehend their political philosophy.


Absolutely no one until you can discern the difference between a Libertarian and a libertarian. You obviously can't comprehend it either, dumbass.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 02:05 | 2923499 Clashfan
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Until folks start supporting groups like this, elections are useless, at least on the national level:

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:50 | 2923260 Heyoka Bianco
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So if by magic unicorns getting the vote, a third party candidate got "5-10%" of the vote, that make the duopoly wake up and change the system that has benefited them so greatly? You seriously believe such fifth grade civics fables? The winner certainly won't give a fuck, and the loser ceases to matter on Nov. 7. The parties more likely to pass some form of bipartisan enabling act to do away with time-consuming and expensive campaigning and simply rule by ukase.

How is a third party going to compete nationally, or more importantly, make any real changes, unless it can get candidates running for major state and congressional offices too? There's no third party even close to having that kind of reach, and probably none that have even the potential.

The historical record shows clearly VOTING HAS AND WILL CHANGE NOT A BLESSED THING.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 01:45 | 2923485 putaipan
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Sat, 10/27/2012 - 10:11 | 2923709 northerngirl
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The problem is the system in which you are advocating for is not understood by most Americans.  A free market system collapsed a long time ago, and was replaced with Big Government and Crony Capitalism.  Which has done nothing, but create dependency.  There are many strong arguments that the current system will fail, but will then the majority of the country move to a free market system?  From what I see the country has more looters than producers and the majority of the producers are looters(Entitlements and Subsidies). A country with such a mentality is set up for moving further from a free market system. 

In this election the Libertarian/free market minded politicians need to be elected at the state and local levels along with House and Senate on the federal side.  If this were to happen Libertarians/free market minded advocates would have a better chance for reform.  Voting third party for President will do nothing more than elect Obama.   

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:17 | 2922929 Milton Freewater
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Bravo vast-dom!!  How many quarters do you have to put in a machine before you say it's broke?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:47 | 2923140 Dr. Sandi
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I'd say you have to look at the motivations of the person who placed the machine before you can tell if it's broken just because it took your money.

If would be fair to say that those Lotto machines are also broken if you use a narrow definition that only includes what YOU get out of the machine.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:41 | 2922990 Gully Foyle
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Learned that lesson a long time ago.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:47 | 2923256 Stonedog
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I'm voting but I'm writing in NONE OF THE ABOVE.  

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 02:04 | 2923498 A Nanny Moose
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Voting is merely demanding that government use force against your fellow citizens in order to provide that free lunch.

I am surprised this got so many red arrows. I suppose pioneers will have more red (blood stained) arrows in their backs.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 18:24 | 2922833 Harbanger
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"Good read until the last paragraph ", Yeah, it puts the whole article in question.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:18 | 2922930 HappyCamper
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Yes, the whole article is silly. Voting for a 3rd party candidate is not the answer. We already know the current administration intends to make us and all of our children debt-slaves. That being the case, why not give the other guy a chance.? He might be just as bad, but then again maybe he's serious when he says he'll clean up the mess.  

He's a good family man and I'm very confident that Romney does not want his children and grandchildren to live in a totalitarian debt-crippled society, which is the direction that we are definitely heading in now.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:57 | 2922950's picture

Romney's children will live high on the hog and as free as birds regardless. Don't you worry about it.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 01:44 | 2923484 John_Coltrane
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And if I'm not mistaken they will have an entire planet for themselves and their ancestors when they're dead.  (But I'm not really a Moronism expert!)

But I'll vote for him anyway just to end the estate tax and that on dividends and capital gains.  Not to mention an end to obamacare!

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 03:00 | 2923517's picture

But Romney said he will amend Obamacare rather than repeal it. Because parts of it are real good in his opinion (at least this month, anyway).

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 03:44 | 2923538 Harbanger
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You never heard of Chris Matthews, but you know  all the Democrat talking points like an Obamanaut.   Jeezz, give it up already.

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 11:12 | 2923769's picture

I didn't say that I've never heard of Chris Matthews. I simply don't watch him or quote him as you do.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:30 | 2922957 Harbanger
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It's pretty obvious that the present regime is taking us in a more totalitarian direction, not less.  I don't put my trust in any man, especially a politician.  But based on what I see, Romney is 100x more honest.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:36 | 2922971 HappyCamper
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Yes, he's honest.  I know Mormons like Romney very well.  They deeply love their country, they love freedom, and they're very concerned about the direction we're heading in.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:42 | 2922991 takeaction
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Happy....I couldn't agree with you more.  I have studied the Mormon Religion and it is quite amazing.  The believers are so strong in their belief system, they will not fall prey to outside forces.  I do believe Romney is doing what he feels is right.  He does not need this job.  He does not want the fame.  He truley wants to help.  He has never taken a drink, has been married to the same women, and his family comes first.  He does want to help.  You will see know lies from this man.  He believes that the higher power is the ones he has to answer to.  Not Bernanke, not JP Morgan.  If he wins....I do feel it will get real interesting.  NO CAPITAL GAINS TAX BITCHES.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:54 | 2923012's picture

Oh, for the love of Benji!

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:07 | 2923039 NuckingFuts
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He has never had a cup of coffee either.... your logic is weak.  GOP shill methinks.


Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:29 | 2923091 A Lunatic
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Or Troll..............

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:04 | 2923177 erg
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Or a offense.

Romney cares, he's genuine...what foolish tripe. They and their ilk hold us all in ceaseless contempt.

Put down your pom-poms girls.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:00 | 2923166 Cathartes Aura
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if you've "studied the Mormon Religion" then you'll be aware that the one who invented it was also a 33dg Mason, as are those men who earn the Melchezidek Priesthood title within their religion.  Mormon temples bear many Masonic symbols, inside and out.

The Melchizedek priesthood is the name of several priesthoods in different religions. Priesthood is generally attributed to Melchizedek as he is the first individual to be given the title Kohen (priest) in the bible (Torah).

Mormons also have a Zion, and are Zionists, of both flavours.  astute listeners might have noted Mitt's mentions of his trip to Israel, and his massive fund-raising efforts there. . .

so he's really covering all his bases in this race, dontcha think? 

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:21 | 2923204 nmewn
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What part of europe do you hail from?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:44 | 2923249 Yen Cross
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I/m here. +1

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 01:07 | 2923458 in4mayshun
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If you've studied the Mormon religion you also know that Joseph Smith was shot in the street for being a criminal.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:22 | 2923205 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Uh, pleeze, don't try to sell me Mitt based on Mormonism. Last thing we need is a president who believes we all get our own planet after we die. That the Aztecs were one of the wandering tribes of Israel. That a spaceship came down, shined a beam, and gave their guy the holy tablets. That brown skin is God's punishment. The list goes on and on...

Nice typo BTW: "that you will see know lies from this man...". You mean we'll only see the ones he knows are a lie?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:35 | 2923228 The Gooch
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<------Vegemite  sandwich

  <------Mormonite sandwich

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:38 | 2923236 erg
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Fri, 10/26/2012 - 22:08 | 2923292 The Gooch
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Sat, 10/27/2012 - 08:09 | 2923632 nscholten
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Apparently Mormons are okay with killing as Romney openly states he would "kill them".  Religion is always convenient.

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 18:26 | 2935870 LooseLee
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You (HappyCamper) have to be the most brain-washed conformist cowards I have ever heard here on ZH. Are you for real? You're so gullible that you make those of us with a functioning brain sick at how low a human being has let himself become. That security you are seeking by blindly following those corrupt wannabe leaders you embrace is fear of the unknown. Welcome it and you may yet become a whole man...

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:10 | 2923049 willwork4food
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Stalin & Mao were good family men. I'm try to be a good family man too living in an economic nightmare that guys like Romney and Baine Capitol helped to create.


Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:38 | 2923113 nmewn
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Everbudy round here got ObamaPhone...ya now?

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 21:40 | 2923242 Hulk
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Gotz me a free motorized scooter...

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 22:12 | 2923298 nmewn
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...I got, five Fisker Karmas, four solar panels, three EBT cards, two great lap dancers...and a Biden laughing in a pear treeee!!!

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 09:50 | 2923695 Hulk
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That was good man. 5 downs must be cause its out of season!

Sat, 10/27/2012 - 11:09 | 2923767 nmewn
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lol...hell, they got Christmas stuff up before Halloween now...I guess thats what was on my mind. Squire and I went into Lowes to get some regular old light bulbs and there it was...wreaths & ornaments & trees.

The season is expanding at an expotential rate...ten years from now they'll have it for sale on Labor Day. Of course, the five Debbie downers could have been the outward socio-economc jab ;-)

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 23:27 | 2923371 The Gooch
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Fri, 10/26/2012 - 18:33 | 2922852 beaglebog
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Agreed, max 2205.



I had to read these sentences several times ... "Personally, I am done with the two part system and will be voting for Gary Johnson.  I am not playing their games any longer and I will not fall for any more of their scams."



"I'm done with the system ... but I'm still going to participate in the system".

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 18:40 | 2922864 live free
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Well at least we can vote for someone who represents us... I was a Gary Johnson voter before this article... My vote may not matter... but my conscious feels good about it.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 19:21 | 2922935 Harbanger
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Gary Johnson is not really a Libertarian and the fact is, most of his latest supporters are actually former Obama voters.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 20:56 | 2923162 nmewn
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They're not supporters...they SAY they are supporters.

They can't be libertarian having voted for libertarian EVER said lets use government debt to bailout the IB's on Wall Street, GM, FNM, FRE. Furthermore, no libertarian EVER said lets put the government further in debt by setting up "green crony capitalism". And no libertarian EVER wrings his hands with second thoughts when some punk, imbedded in leftwing academia surrealist gray speak, goes off the rails and kills a half dozen people in a movie theater.

Now we see the desperation of the left. They attack not only republicans but now libertarians...basically everyone except themselves.

The psychological collective meltdown continues...I've waited all my life for this...its gonna be good ;-)

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