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New York City Peak Threat Hours: 7-10 PM When The Flooding Begins

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As meteorologists have been repeating all day, the biggest threat for NYC is not so much the rain, or even the wind, dangling cranes hundreds of feet above ground notwithstanding, but the storm surge. The threat here is that Hurricane Sandy will hit land just as the tide comes in, resulting in a double whammy which Wunderground has called a "gigantic bulge of water that will raise waters levels to the highest storm tides ever seen in over a century of record keeping." Add to this the impact of the full moon, which means that high tide will be 5% higher than average for the month, and Wunderground's conclusion is inevitable: "This is a higher destructive potential than any hurricane observed since 1969, including Category 5 storms like Katrina, Rita, Wilma, Camille, and Andrew." How high are we talking: Sandy's storm surge will be capable of overtopping the flood walls in Manhattan, which are only five feet above mean sea level... According to the latest storm surge forecast for NYC from NHC, Sandy's storm surge is expected to be 10 - 12' above MLLW. Since a storm tide of 10.5' is needed to flood the subway system, it appears likely that portions of the NYC subway system will flood." Luckily for all, the NY Fed's tungsten gold, which is 50 feet below sea level (and 80 feet below the surface) and is in the Zone C flood evacuation area, will be perfectly "safe." And after all tungsten gold will never just float away.

From Wundeground:

Sandy already producing a record storm surge

The National Weather Service in Atlantic City, NJ said that isolated record storm surge flooding already occurred along portions of the New Jersey coast with this morning's 7:30 am EDT high tide cycle. As the tide goes out late this morning and this afternoon, water levels will fall, since the difference in water levels between low tide and high tide is about 5'. However, this evening, as the core of Sandy moves ashore, the storm will carry with it a gigantic bulge of water that will raise waters levels to the highest storm tides ever seen in over a century of record keeping, along much of the coastline of New Jersey and New York. The peak danger will be between 7 pm - 10 pm, when storm surge rides in on top of the high tide. The full moon is today, which means astronomical high tide will be about 5% higher than the average high tide for the month, adding another 2 - 3" to water levels. This morning's 9:30 am EDT H*Wind analysis from NOAA's Hurricane Research Division put the destructive potential of Sandy's winds at a modest 2.9 on a scale of 0 to 6. However, the destructive potential of the storm surge was record high: 5.8 on a scale of 0 to 6. This is a higher destructive potential than any hurricane observed since 1969, including Category 5 storms like Katrina, Rita, Wilma, Camille, and Andrew. The previous highest destructive potential for storm surge was 5.6 on a scale of 0 to 6, set during Hurricane Isabel of 2003. Sandy's storm surge will be capable of overtopping the flood walls in Manhattan, which are only five feet above mean sea level. On August 28, 2011, Tropical Storm Irene brought a storm surge of 4.13' and a storm tide of 9.5' above MLLW to Battery Park on the south side of Manhattan. The waters poured over the flood walls into Lower Manhattan, but came 8 - 12" shy of being able to flood the New York City subway system. According to the latest storm surge forecast for NYC from NHC, Sandy's storm surge is expected to be 10 - 12' above MLLW. Since a storm tide of 10.5' is needed to flood the subway system, it appears likely that portions of the NYC subway system will flood. The record highest storm tide at The Battery was 10.5', set on September 15, 1960, during Hurricane Donna.

Observed storm tide (red line) and predicted storm surge for Hurricane Sandy at The Battery on the south shore of Manhattan, New York City, from the experimental Extratropical Storm Surge model, run by NOAA"s Meteorological Development Laboratory (green line) and the NYHOPS model from the Stevens Institute of Technology (pink curve), which uses a highly detailed 3D ocean model and even includes rainfall and tributary inflows. These models have a storm surge of 5 - 6', which brings the maximum storm tide--the water level reached as a result of the combined action of the tide and the storm surge--to 11' above MLLW (Mean Lower Low Water.) Irene brought a storm tide of 9.5' above MLLW to The Battery in 2011. At a storm tide of 10.5', water will likely pour into the Lower Manhattan subway system, unless efforts to sandbag the entrances are successful. The NWS in NYC is predicting a 10 - 12' storm tide at The Battery during tonight's 9 pm high tide cycle.


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And with 4 hours until the peak surge, NYC's Battery is already underwater.

Photo courtesy of @The_Domino


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Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:30 | 2928830 jayman21
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Some of the best coverage.  Thanks Tyler.  


no sarc


Not sure how much more parrot MSM I can take.  They are such talking point teleprompter idiots.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:31 | 2928838 francis_sawyer
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Tyler... When are you going to join the honorable MSM & start putting up the "faked" Sandy images?...


Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:32 | 2928845 fuu
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Has Stackers got his mic set up yet?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:36 | 2928855 ZerOhead
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The threat here is that Hurricane Sandy will hit land just as the tide comes in, resulting in a double whammy which Wunderground has called a "gigantic bulge of water that will raise waters levels to the highest storm tides ever seen in over a century of record keeping."

Personally I just don't see the problem. Wall Street has always told us a rising tide lifts all ships...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:37 | 2928858 Precious
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Businesses are closed.  People staying home.  Go long Pampers.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:56 | 2928942 Matt
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That's where the fun is at: flushing the toilet and having it backup and flow onto the floor. That could last for a day or two. Hopefully, when someone on the 30th floor flushes, there isn't a problem down on the first floor.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:03 | 2928977 Zer0head
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excellent video live feed of sandy and the waves


and this feed actually works

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:05 | 2928988 Zer0head
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over a century of record keeping


that is to say this century plus a day

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:33 | 2929064 hedgeless_horseman
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...capable of overtopping the flood walls in Manhattan, which are only five feet above mean sea level

10 foot storm surge probability...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:38 | 2929091 Pseudo Anonym
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that kinda sucks if one planned on looting a store here and there and the merchandise is all wet

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:09 | 2929157 redpill
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Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:45 | 2929103 SWRichmond
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I wonder if they're still doing "stop and frisk"?  Or maybe they've decided they need a little good will for a few days?  "We all have to work together" to keep this phony baloney freedom-suppressing system together, and then once we're on the other side, we'll get right back to suppressing freedom.  Thanks for keeping us on top!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:19 | 2929030 knukles
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Palm trees in New Jersey?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:49 | 2929295 nmewn
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Old footage of Miami...its amazing what editing can do...I'm sayin its a conspiracy!

(I know, I know...just run with it)

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 19:38 | 2929488 knukles
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While not a Conspiracy Theorist, it is amazing over the last 10 years, the number of things used to be called conspiracies wind up having been true...  for example, the incident with the destroyer Maddox in the Gulf of Tomkin leading to the Vietnam war.... the list goes on and on.... let alone the new stuff.   Like remember it was not but a few years ago that the Bilderberg conferences never happened.. were conspiracies, nut cases, etc.

Almost all of the stuff that continues to be debated in the public/shadow world has some basis of truth, else it'd not be discussed and indeed, much seems to be enshrouded with enough mystery that something more nefarious and mysterious than let on is indeed happening.
To wit:  LBMA gold standards, where's the stuff, GATA claims of gold suppression.  With respect to the latter, Volcker has openly admitted intervening, the Fed leases gold, etc.  But not too long ago....

And then there are things like HAARP and Chemtrails.  which if one does enough research (and I mean Way the Hell Past AJ and the like) into serious scientific journals, you'd find enough to be more than intrigued and possibly become some form of "believer" that something s amiss and happening.
What, I do not know....

Chemtrails, for example.  One of my blood relatives is attending one of the best agricultural colleges in the US, is an exceptional student.  They are reading about airborne dispersed/sprayed chemical/particulate matter that for all intents and purposes which is exactly the Chemtreial claim...  In school.  Regular course work.  So be it.
It is what it is.

Personally I find the stuff more fun than reality TV, etc., so I read a lot about the stuff.  Am I a theorist?  Nope.  A lot is bolder-dash and rubbish.  But much is actually very well founded...

But fun as all hell to bring up here and let the crazies go at it.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:03 | 2928980 Piranhanoia
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29 28 27 26....

crane update;  "it's just hanging there"   

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:04 | 2928986 recidivist
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I can remember a construction crew using a water-jet for drilling hit what they probably claimed was an unmarked sewer line.  The attached building had fecal sludge on the ceiling above each toilet.  Fortunately, nobody was on the throne when it all went down.  Bidet from hell...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:07 | 2928995 Citxmech
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In the early days of Seattle, public restrooms were equipped with tide charts so you wouldn't flush at the wrong time and soak your shoes.  Glad to see we're making progress here. . .

Anyone write an app for this yet?


Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:20 | 2929033 knukles
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Nov 6, 2 party system voting.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:00 | 2928958 dogbreath
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Yup spike in the birth-death adjustment to the employment rate next july august

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:13 | 2929014 Seer
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And don't forget the doggie diapers!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:16 | 2929016 Pseudo Anonym
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the peak threat is between 7-10 pm, yet

Businesses are closed.  People staying home.

that's premature ejaculation

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:35 | 2929083 Matt
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Since the tunnels and subways are closed, how would you go to and from work? Keep in mind, I do not think parking is the same in New York City. Why would you go into the city, just to get yourself stranded?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:54 | 2928929 Haager
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When I was told that on Wallstreet it will go to new heights, who could have imagined they'd spoken of the water.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:00 | 2928961 Dalago
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Sure hope the Bernake doesn't touch that third rail.  All Fed join hands now.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:06 | 2929144 11b40
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Problem is, most don't have boats.  They just get washed away when the tide rises.  I'm still trying to recover from being run over by a yacht when the tide rose in 2009.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:14 | 2929178 StychoKiller
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[quote] Luckily for all, the NY Fed's tungsten gold, which is 50 feet below sea level (and 80 feet below the surface) and is in the Zone C flood evacuation area, will be perfectly "safe." And after all tungsten gold will never just float away. [/quote]

Sort of a boating accident, only without the need for a boat! :>D

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:00 | 2928959 bdc63
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On a lighter note, I hear that Cirle Line Cruises is offering a 50% discount on their "Harbor Lights" sails this evening ....

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:52 | 2929316 nmewn
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And 10% off dramamine drips!!!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:31 | 2928840 ACP
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So when does Bernanke tell the Germans that all the gold has been washed out to sea, never to be found again? Is that Wednesday or Thursday?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:38 | 2928873 Haole
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Or that it will be at least two years before any kind of audit can be undertaken due to flood waters damaging the mechanisms on the vault doors rendering them hopelessly sealed for the duration?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:52 | 2928927 sampo
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Cue German scuba divers invading Manhattan..

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:57 | 2928947 LFMayor
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++  cue U-96.  Das Boot.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:02 | 2928972 Parrotile
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Too dangerous for SCUBA; it would be more sensible to use ROVs in view of the high risk of entanglement / disorientation "post event", and the probably very poor visibility.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:49 | 2929300 cranky-old-geezer
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Some ROVs are 7 feet high (like the ones on Macondo well blowout), storm surge wouldn't even cover 'em much less float 'em.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:11 | 2929166 cynicalskeptic
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Word is that it all got moved to the Fed's new operations center in NJ after 9/11........ Manhattan was too tempting a target....  shhh.... don't tell anyone.


BTW - did they ever recover all the gold and silver in the WTC - or was it all part of the molten blob of steel, thermite and ??? in the basement?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:33 | 2928847 fonzannoon
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This just happened.

I was outside on my front lawn, and it is nasty out now. Nasty nasty. But my dog had to take a piss. So I am out there and she brings her ball and I give it a few throws. A car drives by and slows down and some woman yells "you are going to get killed out here what are you doing!!!" As she says this a huge branch snaps off a pine tree across the street and lands on her hood. I yell to her open window "That's called irony!" and she drove away.


Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:55 | 2928937 Cortez the Killer
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if al roker is washed into the ocean and its not televised, did he really die?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:24 | 2929212 SDShack
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In that case it would be a rescue of a beached whale.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 19:09 | 2929362 Zadok
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Bleached whale...oh.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:59 | 2928956 Dr. Engali
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Lol....That's rotten Fonz

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:09 | 2929001 fonzannoon
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alright the lights are flickering. Take it easy guys.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:00 | 2929129 Eternal Complainer
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Godspeed fonz!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:06 | 2929145 MsCreant
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Be safe.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:22 | 2929040 knukles
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You dah man, Fonz  :)

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:38 | 2929266 blunderdog
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Not entertaining, but also in the "just happened" category:

A nearby neighbor who does some construction work used to keep about a dozen 4x8' pieces of corrugated sheetmetal (for roofing, I guess?) on the low roof of his basement extension.

He is now apparently storing it rather haphazardly in the back yards of folks on either side of his house.  By the end of the night, it could be in Jersey.

Boy that sure did make a deceptively loud racket.  I was expecting to see someone's roof torn off based on the noise.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:52 | 2929314 cranky-old-geezer
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Mon, 10/29/2012 - 19:16 | 2929388 Wannabee
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You made my day! Stay safe and my yellow lab says give your dog a treat.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:33 | 2928849 SeverinSlade
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Think of it this way.  According to the Keynesians, the more destruction the better.  Think of all that positive GDP!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:26 | 2929217 SDShack
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Like someone said earlier... a rising storm surge lifts all boats.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:43 | 2929280 TWSceptic
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Krugman must be masturbating by now.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:23 | 2929046 fredquimby
fredquimby's picture, no, lets move on to Sandy's impact on commodties... haha

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:17 | 2929189 financial apoca...
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man tyler's hypocricy almost went unnotcied

yesterday they were mocking the fact that people are buying groceries like mad men to prepare for the storm and store shelves are emptying out and shit, even suggesting sandy might be a dud like irene and its all a GDP booster.


Today they've been on Sandy's dick non stop just repeating old the tungsten at the Fed conspiracy fact.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:29 | 2928833 Calls and Putz
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should be full moon, not new moon.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:33 | 2928850 negative rates
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Roger that!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:49 | 2929296 StychoKiller
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The amount of light the moon reflects has neglible impact on the gravitational pull on the H2O

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 19:36 | 2929478 mjcOH1
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"The amount of light the moon reflects has neglible impact on the gravitational pull on the H2O"


But the alignmen of the earth, sun and moon does have more than a negligible effect on tides.   And that alignment occurs during new and full moons.  See 'spring tides':

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:30 | 2928835 ShortTheUS
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Con Edison to decide by 8 p.m. whether to cut power to Financial District and rest of Lower Manhattan:

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:33 | 2928851 fuu
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Skynet will retaliate.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:37 | 2928865 edifice
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It'll be like Colossus: The Forbin Project, when the link is severed between Colossus and Guardian:


Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:02 | 2928974 cbxer55
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+1 for mentioning that old movie, have not seen it in ages. Got it saved on my portable hard drive though, guess I'll have to give it a watch again soon.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:07 | 2928993 Parrotile
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Looking back, apart from the very dated graphics, the Forbin Project was both well put together, and in view of current (and reasonably anticipated future development), remarkably accurate, yet at the time some critics decried it as "impossible fantasy".

My, just how times have changed.

And with the accelerating rate of development in so many areas, just what will the future look like in another 30 years (assuming the absence of WW3!)

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:24 | 2929050 knukles
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Another impossible fantasy of social commentary from way back when was a competent minority president, evidently.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:17 | 2929026 Citxmech
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The original "Skynet" - I love that movie.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:42 | 2928887 SokPOTUS
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Lotsa looters gonna meet their doom...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:26 | 2929056 knukles
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"All them Twinkies and HoHos are replaceable"
                                       -Cullen Bohannon

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:31 | 2928839 Waterfallsparkles
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Wow.  Think about all of the Rats it will kill.  Great rodent control drown them all.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:37 | 2928863 bigdumbnugly
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no... GS, JPM, et al have evacuation contingency plans for such a case.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:14 | 2929177 cynicalskeptic
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The actual rodents aren't as fast as the financial ones but they manage to get out pretty fast......

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:37 | 2928870 Zombie Investor
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Bruce Krasting wrote earlier this week on ZH:

"My first week on Wall Street was in August of 1973. I was newbie to NYC. My office was on the south side of 100 Wall, on the second floor, looking out over Front Street. 

There was a tremendous thunderstorm one afternoon. I looked out the window as the street filled with water. The flood poured into a street gutter and overwhelmed it.

With the gutter flooded, the rats were drowning. They came out of every hole. In twenty minutes, 500 came out of the one gutter I was watching.

The rain stopped and the flooding abated. The rats on the street followed the receding water back into their holes."

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:10 | 2929004 Sun and Moon
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Those must have been the rats that couldn't afford penthouses.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 19:22 | 2929412 RiverRoad
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Very pragmatic creatures those rats; much smarter than sheeple.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:09 | 2929000 Parrotile
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Be aware that rats (particularly the Brown Rat, Rattus norvegicus) are pretty good swimmers. It'll take a lot more than flooding to eliminate the problem - their strategy will be simply to move to higher ground until it's all over. 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:37 | 2929086 Quantum Nucleonics
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There was a research study done where the dropped rats into water, from which they couldn't escape, to see how long they survived.  Mean survival was 13 minutes.  Then they took one of the rats out of the water briefly before it drowned, then put it back in the water.  3 DAYS later, the rat finally succumbed to exhaustion an drown.  The power of hope.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:52 | 2929306 TWSceptic
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Their behavior resembles that of Rattus Jamus Dimonicus, at least analogically...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:24 | 2929048 max bucket
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Nah.Rats swim.I see them all the time at the City Racquet Club.Then they drive away in their Porsches.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:31 | 2928841 RmcAZ
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Is Bernanke hanging from that broken crane on top of the building yet?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:33 | 2928846 foxenburg
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"Add to this the impact of the new moon, which means that high tide will be 5% higher than average for the month, and Wunderground's conclusion is inevitable:"


That's interesting, over here in Spain it's a full moon. Weird.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:43 | 2928890's picture

Yes, but unlike New York the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:28 | 2929062 knukles
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Holy Jesus....

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 19:40 | 2929495 mjcOH1
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"That's interesting, over here in Spain it's a full moon. Weird."


Oddly, it's a full moon here in the midwest US as well   :)

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:37 | 2928864 drink or die
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Reminds me of a certain song...



Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:34 | 2929077 A Nanny Moose
Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:37 | 2928868 Duke of Con Dao
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here is Red Hook 10 minutes ago...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:57 | 2928950 kekekekekekeke
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great editing brah

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:00 | 2928963 WALLST8MY8BALL
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DAMN My old hood! I used to live right by De Fonte's

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:05 | 2929141 fuu
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wtf was that shit?!?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:37 | 2928872 realtick
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New York Harbor entrance wave height now clocking in at over 25 feet

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 20:06 | 2929575 TheFourthStooge-ing
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As of 6:50 PM (the most recent report at the time I'm posting this) the New York Harbor entrance wave height is up to 31 feet.


Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:40 | 2928879 jplotinus
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Sandy to come ashore in South Jersey earlier than thought--per nbc10 philly--because of faster (28mph) forward movement. By 7pm it might be weakening ... A little

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:40 | 2928882 Spastica Rex
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Someone from NYC itself posted just recently right here that since the storm isn't Cat 5, it isn't dangerous. WHO AM I SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE?!?1?1?!!?1

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:56 | 2928943 mkkby
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This is all MSM hockum, as usual, to sell more ads.  Barely even a cat 1 - won't even break a window. Anyone who evacuated is a sucker... but that's what a sheeple is by definition.

Sorry Krugman, you'll need another excuse for QE 99.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:01 | 2928971 Matt
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It isn't about broken windows, it is about no electricity, no tap water, and no flushing for a couple of days.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 19:25 | 2929427 RiverRoad
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Yup.  Try it sometime; it's hell.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:57 | 2928948 Flakmeister
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Check with Orly...

He's a real hurricane veteran and he swears that this is nothing to worry about....

He also knows SFA about rum, but that is another story....

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:12 | 2929167 MsCreant
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Orly is a woman...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:53 | 2929319 Flakmeister
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I stand corrected...

That makes her a know-nothing insensitive bitch....

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 22:36 | 2930106 Cosimo de Medici
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You took your namesake yesterday, but come today you were proven to be spot-on prescient.  Knowledge is frowned upon around these parts, as you well know.  Experts are those who can reach farthest up their ass to pull out their "facts".

Victory lap.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 23:43 | 2930330 Flakmeister
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No victory lap for the simple reason there is no victory...

Hey, a few gratuitous lines about the Fed, Wall St. etc... is ok, but there was some hateful ignorant shit that has no place anywhere...

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 00:09 | 2930411 Cosimo de Medici
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Funny thing here.....if people prepped before the storm, they're over-reacting.  If the number of deaths turned out not to be high, because people prepared, then it's "what's the big deal about this storm?"

At the same time, so many folks on this site are "prepping" (with Brandon Smith as the Pied Prepper) for the roving zombie hordes, drones, chemtrails, FEMA Camps, and Black Helicopters that never seem to come, or for ten of the last zero Middle East wars, and they applaud each other for loading up on guns, gold and (freeze dried) goulash.  Prep for something real, however, and you're a "mindless sheeple".

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:00 | 2928965 Matt
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Maybe look at multiple sources and make up your own mind?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:43 | 2928885 JLee2027
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First German's Gold, then a Russian ship with 700 tons of Gold ore is missing, and now the Fed's Gold is about to vanish. Anyone notice a pattern here?

But we still have Fort Knox, right? :\

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:43 | 2928893 SokPOTUS
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Au has suddenly become water-soluble?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:56 | 2928939 TN Jed
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Manhattan, the new Oak Island. 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:59 | 2928957 LFMayor
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LOL, good reference that.    No one has been up there dredging or core sampling in a long time, at least that I've read or heard about.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:32 | 2929074 TN Jed
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That's good.  My stack is safe at the bottom.  Every other month I toss my latest purchase into the money pit.  Smart no, but I get a hell of a laugh everytime.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 20:04 | 2929564 mjcOH1
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"First German's Gold, then a Russian ship with 700 tons of Gold ore is missing, and now the Fed's Gold is about to vanish. Anyone notice a pattern here?"


It's a bad year for boating accidents?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:08 | 2928998 Temporis
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I heard tungsten dissolves in water...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:41 | 2928886 scatterbrains
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Word has it Sandy about to open her Glory hole for buisness and this time she wants to suck bankster blood.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:43 | 2928891 TideFighter
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Weather Control: HAARP 
HAARP & Weather Control as an Electromagnetic Warfare Weapon

"It isn't just conspiracy theorists who are concerned about HAARP. The European Union called the project a global concern and passed a resolution calling for more information on its health and environmental risks. Despite those concerns, officials at HAARP insist the project is nothing more sinister than a radio science research facility." 
  -- Quote from a documentary on HAARP weather control by Canada's public broadcasting network CBC

Dedicated with caring and compassion to the many who suffered and died in the massive earthquakes in Japan and Haiti, and in the Indonesian tsunami and Hurricane Katrina.

Dear friends,

HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) is a little-known, yet critically important U.S. military defense program which has generated quite a bit of controversy over the years in regards to its alleged weather control capabilities and much more.

Though denied by HAARP officials, some respected researchers allege that secret electromagnetic warfare capabilities of HAARP are designed to forward the US military's stated goal of achieving full-spectrum dominance by the year 2020. Others go so far as to claim that HAARP can and has been used for weather control, to cause earthquakes and tsunamis, to disrupt global communications systems, and more. The U.S. patent of a key developer of HAARP and other documentary evidence support these claims.

Major aspects of the program are kept secret for alleged reasons of "national security." Yet there is no doubt that HAARP and electromagnetic weapons capable of being used in warfare do exist. According to the official HAARP website, "HAARP is a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular emphasis on being able to understand and use it to enhance communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and defense purposes." The ionosphere is the delicate upper layer of our atmosphere which ranges from about 30 miles (50 km) to 600 miles (1,000 km) above the Earth's surface.

The HAARP website acknowledges that experiments are conducted which use electromagnetic frequencies to fire pulsed, directed energy beams in order to "temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere." Some scientists state that purposefully disturbing this sensitive layer could have major and even disastrous consequences. Concerned HAARP researchers like Dr. Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa and Alaska's Dr. Nick Begich (son of a US Congressman) present evidence suggesting that these disturbances can even be used to trigger earthquakes, affect hurricanes, and for weather control.

Dr. Bernard Eastlund is the scientist whose name is most associated with the creation and development of HAARP. His revealing website at this link provides reliable information on his involvement with the project. A 1987 patent issued to Dr. Eastlund, which can be viewed at this link, is titled "Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere." In this patent, which sets the stage for HAARP, Dr. Eastlund makes a number of fascinating statements which clearly contradict the claim that HAARP is only being used for research and not for military purposes or such purposes as weather control.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:01 | 2928966 LFMayor
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Well, if a film studio in Canada documented it, you know it's good to go...

Hey man, on a positive note, won't all this wind/rain kept the contrails diffused and diluted?

Bonus Round!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:05 | 2929140 redpill
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Plus on the weather channel they said Sandy might rebuild Building 7! It's tinfoil rapture?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:51 | 2929312 Cathartes Aura
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all that focused energy. . . couple of earthquakes right where they're playing the haarp just now. . .and off-shore BC still quaking after a few days of tuning. . .

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 23:40 | 2930323 knukles
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Mon, 10/29/2012 - 20:55 | 2929770 Flakmeister
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Wow, you would think they would have done something about this summer's drought...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:45 | 2928894 j-dub
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With Herr Bloomberg limiting each subway car to 32oz of water maximum, utilizing Obama's concept of "spreading the wet around" , the threat of flooding should be mitigated.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:46 | 2928901 buzzsaw99
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sandy will be gone by 7 p.m..

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:48 | 2928912 TideFighter
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Could only afford two hours, huh?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:13 | 2929012 buzzsaw99
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Parking is a bitchez in joisey.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:07 | 2929148 redpill
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Maybe land fall will wash away some of the hair grease on the Jersey shore

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:14 | 2928914 Zero Govt
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"...resulting in a double whammy which Wunderground has called a gigantic bulge of water that will raise waters levels to the highest storm tides ever seen in over a century..."

No worries, the NY State will revert their army of micro-meddling-marxists from the size of soft drinks and the hole in a salt shaker to bailing out NY's non-preperation for a storm 

Great to see public assets like tubes and tunnels are also not prepared and having to be closed/capitulate because they can't take the strain ...adding to private sector strain

Another reason to have a car and not trust antiquated public transport

"Sandy's storm surge will be capable of overtopping the flood walls in Manhattan, which are only five feet above mean sea level.."

So for the 1 in 1 billion chance you crash a car the Govt mandates a small fortune on airbags, crumple zones, seat belts etc etc and fine you heavily if you don't comply. But for the 1 in 100 year storm NY has a microscopic 5 foot margin of error???

NY is wide open, the defences are non-existent for all that real estate

"Luckily for all, the NY Fed's tungsten gold, which is 50 feet below sea level (and 80 feet below the surface) and is in the Zone C flood evacuation area, will be perfectly "safe."

The German auditors won't be too happy needing aqua-lungs to auidit their Gold

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:05 | 2929138 NotApplicable
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Yeah, but just think of the federal aid they'll receive when it all fails.


Mon, 10/29/2012 - 19:07 | 2929351 Zero Govt
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Federal aid will be needed as the NY tax take is about to have a huge hole in the income stream if commercial activity gets drowned for a week or two

if your house is flooded and you're insured many might just take the money and use it as opportunity to leave the (bankrupt) State, especially if a nuke or two starts steaming

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:58 | 2928951 recidivist
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Imagine if the 40 foot waves recorded on this buoy (scroll down for history for 9:50pm Sunday night EDT, see WVHT column) were instead rolling into Battary Park...excess liquidity indeed (to poach somebody else's metaphor)



Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:02 | 2928973 LFMayor
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Isn't Battary park where all the HAARP and Contrail Theory worshippers camp out?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:55 | 2929323 Flakmeister
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No, that would be Zero Hedge....

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:15 | 2929020 Matt
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peak-to-trough waves on open ocean calculate differently than waves coming to shore; still, a 40-foot wave at sea is probably like a 10 foot wave crashing onto shore.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 19:20 | 2929404 Zadok
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Ahhhh...or vice-versa.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:05 | 2928991 mendolover
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Hopefully we have sufficient numbers of National Guard personnel stateside to back us up here.  Last year all of VT's Air Guard helicopters were in Iraq during their 100 year flood.  That is not what they are for!  Here in CT, our honorable governor just sent 200 more of our kids over to Afghanistan while bragging about how much he cares about them.  Thanks alot dummy. If the incumbant loses next week, you'll be scratching your ars for your next gig after screwing us your supposed CT constituency.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:12 | 2929010 Translator
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O'Bowel will claim that this is Bush's fault, because it happened on Obama's watch......

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:28 | 2929054 Zero Govt
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we'll have to wait and see if natural environmental damage$ to property gets close to the damage Wall Street, Fannae and Freddie and the Democrats inflicted on US real estate

..that's not including Governor/Democrat/Goldman, Jon Corzine, who really has been all around the houses like a hurricane vandalising everything in his path

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:21 | 2929034 Matt
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Spend a few million dollars salvaging a couple hundred thousand dollars worth of ore, weighing 700 tons. Sounds like a great business plan. Also, people having been posting that story for a day or two now.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:22 | 2929043 Uskatex
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It is 700 tons of gold ore. The actual gold content is certainly less than 1 ton.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:38 | 2929089 Overflow-admin
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~3-6g gold per TON gold ore, actually. So let's say you can expect 2.1-4.2kg pure gold, or $115k-$230k market value.

Which is certainly not enough to cover recovery and processing costs (alone).

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:16 | 2929021 machineh
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NYC subway 2012 = Industrial Canal New Orleans 2005

Why can't Sandy flood the damned Cross Bronx Expressway instead?

Then we could just pour in concrete mix and fill in that open sore for good.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:19 | 2929031 Parrotile
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Looking ahead there are a LOT of recreational craft moored on the East Coast, or in boat storage facilities there. Inevitably there will be massive casualties (damage, foundering) which will result in very significant insurance claims.

I wonder how this will affect the viability of the recreational marine insurance business, and their re-insurers??

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:08 | 2929153 Raymond K Hessel
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Sound/Music is why I junked you. 


Get outside with the camera.  

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:21 | 2929038 hooligan2009
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just a by the way...have you noticed that NONE of the disaster recovery sites have been used to keep "markets" open? I smell a rat..good luck out there thoughts are with you

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:26 | 2929055 eddiebe
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Hey all you wall street parasitic fuck banksters, you know who you are, this is mother nature giving you a little warning.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:52 | 2929263 Zero Govt
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they're sociopaths, they couldn't give a fuck if they tried ....indeed they're going long construction companies and short insurance companies as we speak

the only time they'll notice is when Major Bloomberg misses their WS cocktail party because he's a tad bizzy dealing with all the shit his zero-prepared city is suffering from

Go long bullshit, blame and the words surprise, unforseen and "once in a thousand year storm" for his 5 foot NY flood defences for the press conference


Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:26 | 2929057 Zymurguy
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The seawater (read: saltwater) is what will ruin the fooking day there in NYC... any dis-similar metals in contact with one another will exhibit electrolosis based corrosion, fusion, etc.  It'll fooking ruin anything metal it comes in contact with.

The surge also does a good job of flushing out all sewers and can float caskets/vaults right out of the ground.  There's some biohazard for ya.

Hurricanes are a bitch.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:09 | 2929158 knukles
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So the Alligators'll be flushed from the sewers?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:28 | 2929223 ebworthen
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Just heard a report that they will be cutting power for this very reason - to try and protect transformers, etc., because of the damage the salt water will do if they are powered on.

Too late to make a bid for whatever company makes transformers; Rand?  GE?  Siemens?


Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:38 | 2929088 Brokenarrow
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When they raid the whorhouse, the take the piano player. My deepest regrets for every innouous person making the mistake to live in nyc. But, my hope is that every big box banker will drown with the rest of the rats. The only problem is that they will end up in Miami, Boca, Beverly Hills, Aspen, Vail.....and all the other places they are hated.....all the while thinking they are "citizens," but, in reality hated, especially Aspen ans Vail, Co.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:51 | 2929111 Augustus
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Latest report from Breaking News.

A tree limb fell and hit a jogger.

That should cause all of the New Yawkers quiver in fear.

That sure needs to be on the national news air waves.

Many residents may have to actually walk up stairs for the first time in their lives.  Whole lot of learnin goin on.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:54 | 2929119 IMA5U
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On top of every disaster

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