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The Spanish Bad Bank Emerges, Confirms Spanish Real Estate Absolute Disaster
The details of the Spanish bad bank are being released and it is ugly - far uglier than many had expected. And while the Spanish government expects priovate interest to take some of this massively discounted 'crap' off their hands, we have three words: 'deleveraging' and 'no bid!'.
- *RESTOY SAYS BAD BANK AIMS TO BE PROFITABLE
- *SPAIN BAD BANK TO DISCOUNT LOANS AVG 46%; FORECLOSED ASSETS 63%
- *SPAIN AIMS FOR BAD BANK NOT TO COUNT TOWARDS PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
- *SPAIN TO DISCUSS BAD BANK WITH INVESTORS IN COMING DAYS
- *SPAIN BAD BANK TO INCLUDE FORECLOSED ASSETS, LOANS, STAKES
The Spanish government remain in a world of their own with this level of self-delusion. Haircut details as per the below:
What this table shows is up through what valuation point there are no natural bids on given Spanish assets. In other words, nobody will bid on Spanish Land at even an 80% haircut, and the fair value of new Housing is well below half of book value! Said otherwise, the state of Spanish real estate is an absolute catastrophe and the bad bank implicit haircuts just confirmed this.
Finally, the comedy concludes:
- BAD BANK VALUES NOT REFERENCE FOR NON-TRANSFERRED ASSETS: FROB
- SPAIN SAYS BAD BANK'S BUSINESS PLAN IS STILL PROVISIONAL
- BAD BANK TO HAVE `MODEST RESULTS' IN FIRST YEARS, FROB SAYS
To summarize: Spain wants its banks to default on its assets, without actually defaulting, have the liability be transferred to a third party, and then not have this third party's debt be counted against the debt of the country.
A comparable analogy would see someone defaulting on their mortgage, keeping the house, and not have the default count against their credit rating.
Finally, as a reminder, Spain has €180 billion in bad loans and rising exponentially. Even a blended 50% haircut will barely cover just the existing population of bad loans, which will very soon surpass €200 billion and proceed to soar happily ever higher, at which point the current Bad Bank iteration will be found to be far too little (as usual), about 3 years too late.
Just to legitimize the Bad Bank, Spain also added a gratuitous timeline to make this idea seem more credible and palatable.
Of course, none of the dates above matter when one Grexit would crush not only Spain, but Europe. But in a vacuum the calendar sure is purdy.
Full bad bank presentation from the Bank of Spain (pdf):
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So Spanish banks are booking a loss when they transfer assets to bad bank?
http://youtu.be/u0nQMgaJibc Banks La Cuceracha 5 Money Center Banks NY
WTF are they talkin' about?
All the banks are already bad!
*SPAIN AIMS FOR BAD BANK NOT TO COUNT TOWARDS PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
Classic, absolute fucking classic...
I've got a better idea Mr Restoy, why don't you just remove all the penalties for trading whilst insolvent?
In fact I’ve got an even better ‘better idea’. Instead of all this screwing around with bad banks and hiding invisible losses, why not just leaglise the ‘trading whilst insolvent’ aspect of general business so that no one need feel the need to hide what they’re doing, and simply introduce a second type of money.
We could have one type of money for general trading and one ‘for investment losses, fraud and default’. The money ‘for investment losses, fraud and default’ could be used by hedge funds, pension funds and big banks to trade with each other and the other money could be used by ordinary folks to buy food, that way they can print all they want without concern for the inflationary effects of what they’re doing. We could make the money ‘for investment losses, fraud and default’ from something like paper so that no one need a actually ‘lose’ any 'real' money and the other could be easily distinguishable by using something more ‘traditional’.
The hedge funds, pension funds and big banks could knock themselves out, make trillions in profits and fund the fiscal deficit through taxes and no one else would really give a fuck, the little guy could buy food and staples and generally just go about his business. You wouldn’t even need to worry about fixing exchange rates because the market would do that. Anyone trading in money ‘for investment losses, fraud and default’ would very soon get the middle finger from the ordinary folks, and Mr Krugman et al would find out very quickly and in no uncertain terms precisely just where and when they could go and get fucked.
Of course that just leaves the minor problem of a government that can't exchange its money ‘for investment losses, fraud and default’ for real goods from ordinary folks, but we could easily get around that problem by shrinking it, massively...
When they say: Details in a couple of days do they mean nov 7th?
Super SIV. DOA.
bad bank = redundant
somebody call greylock or whatever that bonehead hedgefund is and tell em we have another no brainer trade for him
When they deploy the bad bank strategy, you know they are just one step away from "haircuts."
Why do governments and so many investors, who should know better, fall for the bad bank thing?
fixing the problem was never the plan.
For some reason kicking bad debts into a separate 'location' does often buy some time
In our part of Europe we had the Dexia collapse just after being rated #1 good shape in one of the stress tests
Spread across France, Luxembourg and Belgium the re-structuring has been handled in complex ways including 'bad bank' plans ... in Belgium we have a new functioning bank now, Belfius, which includes part of the old Dexia
Many bad debts of old Dexia are still floating around, issues are still pending, but the layers of restructuring complexity, bailout promises etc. did kick the can
It is maybe like how immigrants in many countries evade debt collectors, with multiple fellow-countrymen using multiple locations ... No Mr x is not here, he moved and gone ...
Meanwhile the EURo goes Baumgartner.
Baumgartner had a parachute and made a soft landing, the euro will splatter into the ground instead.
The entire concept of a "bad bank" is just plain old "cooking the books". You've got losses and you're attempting to hide them.
If any other business did that they would be committing accounting fraud, and the guilty parties would be doing jail time.
Furthermore, announcing that the "bad bank" will be "profitable" is also fraud because it suggests that (in aggregate) non-performing loans will become performing loans. This is clearly misrepresentation because if it were the case there would be no need for a bad bank to begin with.
Just doing God's work...that is all....
Id buy spanish land if the EU guarantees the Single payment scheme continues, they basically give you money for having empty land...
but don't forget the spanish government can and do slap a tax on that land and it can be far higher than any single payment schemes.
I'd buy all the land in Spain as long as I don't have to pay for it. It appears that's the way things work over there so what the hell... I'll take it all.
The Spanish government remain in a world of their own with this level of self-delusion. Discunt details below...
Freudian slip!
Not just a Fedudian slip, that's Freudian garter belt and panties, too!
*RESTOY SAYS BAD BANK AIMS TO BE PROFITABLE
*CURRENTLY INCAPABLE OF HITTING BARN'S BROADSIDE WITH 00 BUCK SHOT
*REGULATORS STRESS ROSE COLORED GLASSES FOR INVESTORS
We all need some of whatever Rajoy is smoking.
Hashish,opium and hopium pressingx.
There are a lot of fine Spanish wines, like the famous Rioja, will do the trick well enough
UK Telegraph's Ambrose Evans-Pritchard occasionally writes of drinking Rioja as he finishes his articles, often posted around midnight ... with a spelling error or two
.. "uiglier"... "priovate"... "Discunt"..
Tyler, have a rest, take today off.
Well, discunt is quite right i believe.
I will buy all that Spanish land... if there's no tax on it. GIVE IT TO ME...
It's always the question, even if it was, for now, 'allodial' land now with no tax on it, whether that legal regime would be sustained in the future
Oddly enough it is sometimes in what are thought of as poor kleptocracy countries like in Africa, where local people have their land with no tax
In any case history changes countries, and they are no longer what they were - What is rare for humans, is to have the place where they live, be the same all their lives
Sometimes I talk to older Belgians who were children here when this was under Nazi occupation, swastika flags flying
Now in Europe there are ex-Americans who speak of how different America was when they were children, and how our sector of Europe, friendly and non-oppressive, is actually now more like the 'older America' than America itself now
Perhaps indeed wisdom from retired financial newsletter writer Harry Schultz, oft quoted by Jim Sinclair ... everybody needs 3 countries, passport in one country, a residence in a 2nd country, assets in a 3rd ... Harry is in his 80s today living tax-free in Monaco
Duh! That's because all the Swastika flags are now flying in the US. Invisible to the naked eye.
Discunt details below... That is a pretty funny typo.
And here in Amerika the "Bad Bank Assests" are packaged as derivatives and bought be the FED.
Why isn't the FED purchasing the Spanish "Bad Bank Assests" to add to their "Balance Sheet" ??
Maybe they are ... after all, how would we know?
A comparable analogy would see someone defaulting on their mortgage, keeping the house, and not have the default count on their credit rating.
No, It's worse than that. Rather than not count on their credit rating. They want to ignore there is a debt to pay period! Vapourised.I think there should be a complete moratorium on reporting about Spain, Greece and probably Portugal and Italy, beyond a recurring daily story/headline that says 'PIIGS Still Broke, EU Officials Continue Denials, Obfuscation'. It would save everybody a lot of time.
In other news, Hurricane Sandy
I smell a Nato "humanitarian" invasion coming. It's obvious that all of the Spanish people are terrorists by withdrawing money from the banksters. Can't let that happen, now can we? Franco, the ultimate fascist must be smiling in his grave.
There are no bad banks in Spain or anywhere else in the Euro. There have been extensive stress tests and obviously any banks remaining are solvent and stress free. Real estate bottomed years ago.
In other news, it's even worse in the US. Millions have not paid any mortgage for the last 4 years and stay in their houses because there's too many foreclosures.
At least in Spain, the banks admit how many foreclosures/bad loans they have... not in America.
Only partially correct looterman , there are also many millions that are putting their mortgage payments into escrow until their servicer can identify who owns the mortgage and where the payments are going.
How will the bad bank-investors towel look like ?
Whats the Spanish BankS in NY Called; EL COCKROACH BANK???
Land in Spain is on sale with a 80% discount? Cool.
yes, thats the 10 square metre steep bit on the side of the Pyrennes where trees cant grow..yours for only 10 euros per sqaure metre (down from 100 last year and 10,000 in 2008).
I'd take a few hundred at that price. why not?
this is what's supposed to happen when people over bid - the assets become available for those who remained prudent. not hte prop (propped up) job we got in the states. let those who failed, fail. and let the rest of us bid on their assets. yes, I would like a nice wine country place in Spain. At an 80% haircut, I might be able to afford it.
Bad banks! Go to your room and don't come out until suppertime.
In the "Adventures in Can Kicking and Books Cooking" department, even Kalifornia pales in comparison to Europe.
In the timeline they allow only the month of November for the review of the assets. Then they just start transfering the 90b. God bless government efficiency!
i will buy houses at a 90% discount. anything higher is too risky...
I grew up in my grandfather's house, a large Tudor in Black Rock, Connecticut. He got it during the Depression for back taxes only.
Detroit is the future. Free house with $6,000 yearly taxes.
It might be a good opportunity to grab some urban land, if it's really discounted 53% that is. The land just sits there and doesn't shout it's hungry, as we say in Poland. The risk, of course, is that the gubbermint will slap you with frivolous taxes and then you're fucked - no way to pack up the land and move it offshore.
yeah, check the prices before they got discounted ;)
I prefer the term, "ill tempered banks" thank you.
Bad banks, bad banks, whatcha gonna do?
As any teenage girl knows, if you want a kitten, cry for a pony
Discunt
/niggers
shit, meant /sniggers; it's contagious
Tyler, you could have mentioned that Spain had one great experience with its first bad bank. They put the seven most insolvent cajas in one entity - Bankia - and sold the crap successfully to the public. Less after one year after Bankia went public everyone had to find out that the bank was in fact insolvent
Maybe there are some Spanish sheeple left who want to get robbed by their own government.
if at first you do not suceed, fry, fry a hen
'Quantitative easing, bitchez' in Spanish is 'relajación cuantitativa, perraz'.
....and the bad bank shall be called Bank-O-Bitchez
Too bad their currency isn't the world reserve/petrocurrency thus creating artificial demand allowing their central bank to obscure the accounting of the overall system allowing that central bank to purchase a few billion in mortgage backed securities every month to avoid true price discovery and mark to market valuations.
With the news out of Japan, news out of Spain, I don't see how the reality of US bank "assets" especially as they pertain to real estate can stay in the shadows much longer.
MBS purchases really only help large investors as the average individual homebuyer SHOULD feel increased pressure via decreasing median income-- then again low rates, slightly rising home values and realtor's "The perfect time to buy" mantra despite that decreasing median income is causing a massive misallocation of resources.
so....are the politicians/econs really this stupid, or are they absolutely amazed at the stupidity of the general public? i just imagine these guys in a room somewhere saying "we can litterally say whatever we want, and as long as there is full color powerpoint, these idiots eat it up" I gotta give them credit...they have been masterful in delaying the eventual greece, spain, italy, eu collapse. give credit where credit is due boys.
* Be a for-profit company, and will therefore seek to minimise the use of public funds and the cost to the taxpayer.
That is not profit-seeking behavior. A for-profit company would naturally seek to maximize the use of public funds and maximize offloading costs to taxpayers, rather than shareholders.
RESTOY SAYS BAD BANK AIMS TO BE PROFITABLE
another epic pile of bullcrap from a politician
SPAIN AIMS FOR BAD BANK NOT TO COUNT TOWARDS PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
We wouldn't want the LOSSES on the Govt balance sheet
BAD BANK TO HAVE `MODEST RESULTS' IN FIRST YEARS, FROB SAYS
"modest results" in English means LOSSES, year on year, never ending, as per every Govt or public-private scam/sham
another massive pile of steaming soiled nappies wiped off spoilt brat bwankers books/arses for citizens to pay
So who is the mark that ultimately picks up the tab for all the losses?
"The transfer price is not a reference for the valuation of non-transferred bank assets."
That's all you need to know to know what a scam this is.
"Just walking away," is becoming more prevalent in Spain also.
But no need to worry oneself. The 'aliens' are coming to buy all those empty houses.