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Where Would Stocks Be Closing If They Were Open?

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With equity cash and futures markets closed, we thought it useful to gauge where equities might have closed if they were trading. As so many need month-end marks for reporting and OPEX-based hedgers are likely anxious, we thought getting some perspective from what the machines are seeing would be useful. With Kevin Henry gone gray as Treasuries closed, risk-assets slipped modestly on the day - with a late day push to the lows on the back of Merkel's 'nein' on euro-bonds. To wit, based on the dependence with FX and commodity markets, S&P 500 futures would be trading under the critical 1400 level. - and based on the Toronto Stock Exchange, S&P 500 cash would be trading around 1404 (down around 8pts on the day). S&P futures are set to re-open at 1700ET 1800ET (and based on CME's site will close again at 0915ET tomorrow).

 

Based on cross-asset class correlations (CONTEXT is a broad-risk asset indication of equity's relative fair-value), the surge into the close this morning in stock futures is overdone and FX and commodity markets remained obviously quiet but unable to 'believe' in that strength.

 

This is somewhat confirmed by the S&P/TSX which recoupled into Friday's close and has traded down all day today - implying S&P 500 cash closing at around 1404.

The same risk-on push is evident at the open in Canada today but as is clear that faded rapidly - as CONTEXT suggested.

 

Charts: Bloomberg and Capital Context




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Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:13 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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So 'all is well' as long as we can leave markets closed....gee thats great.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment knukles
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Owh owh owh owh owh...
I get dibs on the next big conspiracy theory.

Gotta keep markets closed till after the 6th so there's no evidence trail from the crime scenes.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:27 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Where Would Stocks Be Closing If They Were Open?

Baumgartnering with the 157-57th St. crane probably...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment Dalago
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The market is anticipated to close tomorrow as well.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:20 | Link to Comment CPL
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Mean while people dump overseas.  Look at the TSX volume...where the hell did that come from?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:20 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Trying not to date myself but I was "detained" during hurricane Gloria for windsurfing.  More wind is a good thing with a 5'' board and a 4.0 sail.  Apparently the coast guard didn't see it that way.  Liberty?  What's that?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:13 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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1404 or lower (esp. without Kev' effect).  Europe is not helping, nor the approaching election theatre.  

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Where Would Stocks Be Closing If They Were Open, and we lived in the universe where Spock is evil and has a beard?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Ineverslice
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and quite the woman's man.

Therefore, a perverted market, void of logic.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Awakened Sheeple
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Live long..and print.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:14 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Who fucking cares, didn't we all go to cash ahead of sandy?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:15 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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Laugh all you want, but we know most of you are not wearing a diaper.  When will you realize your error?  When it's too late my friend, when it's too late.

TeamDepends depends on Depends

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment drink or die
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Last Friday I was planning on selling a few shares today (before the storm hit, since it was forecasted to hit Wed night back then).  Big mistake I guess? 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:19 | Link to Comment Haager
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Rule #1

The only winning move is not to play.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:22 | Link to Comment CPL
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Rule #2

When the news is continously 24/7 for a week about the massive storm, is being in position the smartest of things?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:20 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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I for one would like to thank our evil alien lizard overlords for keeping the snp at such generous levels.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment knukles
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Buzz, and speaking of conspiracy theories, that one about our "evil alien lizard" malefactors in charge deserves more air time.

(just wanna see what crazies come out after that one, eh)

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:30 | Link to Comment fuu
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Reptiles.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment malikai
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I'm seeing about 1401 at last update which was about 8 hours ago.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:23 | Link to Comment CPL
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Go check bloomberg.  Blood bath AH...probably a blood bath PM on european markets.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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Is this with or without Kevins assistance?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:46 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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Im getting a very bad feeling about November...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 16:47 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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Let me be more specific...November 12.

 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment flaunt
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LMFAO... Perma bear even when the markets are closed.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 17:19 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Not a good sign when the 'Markets' can't operate during a rain storm...  not exactly a vote of confidence.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:02 | Link to Comment chump666
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Another way you got to look at it, is that we were amidst profit taking end month positioning etc.  And profit reporting has been terrible, the 100 point neg drop on futures last Friday (then melted up on close) was on the APPL results only, so shutting down markets and halting trading for even a day, end month will freak out a lot of traders.  European markets made a gallant effort in keeping markets liquid their session, except for the fact the DXY was well bid as were Treasuries - which means liquidity is tightening across the board, if there was the lone gunman theory ala the Fed college boy and his trading desk, then the DXY should be under 79.  It's not.  A flight to safety trade is right here, the ONLY things that are keeping the MA's bid on stock indices's are the HFTs.

That's it. Sandy gets more brutal, and markets are shut for 3days or more, we will have a major wipe-out on open.  We are still a long positioned market, with machines holding supports + thin liquidity+ flood water flowing down Wall Street (at some-point) = nasty days.

 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:38 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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80 Bil?  APPL loses that in Mkt cap in a day now...the perma-bears are in control now!  One can feel it.  Money velocity  non existant.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9136903/Global-liquidity-peak-spells-trouble-for-late-2012.html

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