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It's Not Just NYC; Valencia Government Also Blacked Out (For Not Paying Bill)
While much of New York City and Westchester remain 'dark' thanks to Sandy; it seems across the pond, the government of Valencia has gone dark due to stupidity. As El Economista reports, several departments of the Generalitat Valenciana have remained without power Tuesday after a power cut ordered by Gas Natural Fenosa, trading company that supplies electricity to the regional administration. The reason, well it's not clear, but reading between the lines of the comments of one politician "disastrous [government] policy has left the box empty so there's no point to pay for electricity," suggests a combination of lack of funding and a need to 'bite one's own nose off to spite the face'. The 'incomprehensible and inconceivable' temporary cessation of power has apparently been restored - after the government 'satisfied payments to the company'. Perhaps this anecdotal snafu explains why Spanish bonds have been bleeding higher in yield when all we hear from talking heads is that all is well - and deficits will be better next year.
Via El Economista (via Google Translate):
Several departments of the Generalitat Valenciana have remained without power Tuesday after a power cut ordered by Gas Natural Fenosa, trading company that supplies electricity to the regional administration, "according to internal procedures developed under the Procurement Act Public Administration, "according to a statement from the company, which needs no further detail about the reason for the decision
The outage, Gas Natural Fenosa ordered and executed by the distributor, Iberdrola, has occurred around noon in units of the Departments of Agriculture and Justice and Social Welfare and the Valencia Library , all in the city of Valencia .
In the afternoon, Gas Natural Fenosa has explained in the statement that, once "resolved" the situation, which has been "in constant contact" with the regional administration, Iberdrola has asked you reset it .
Sources familiar with the situation have pointed to Europa Press that the decision was a result of the default of the Consell , but has not been encrypted much is your debt to Gas Natural Fenosa.
Gas Natural Fenosa has limited the court to "a few non-essential points of the Government", and has stated that it has been a "temporary cessation" of supply . The company says it has taken the decision to ask the outage Iberdrola "according to internal procedures prepared under the Procurement Law Public Administration" and adds that, having resolved the situation, is proceeding to ask distributor to service recovery.
As confirmed from the Generalitat, the units have run out of light have been the headquarters of Agriculture, Social Welfare and the Valencian Library, located in the Monastery of San Miguel de los Reyes, but did not specify the reasons for the suspension of Service.
In the case of the cultural institution, administration sources have pointed to Europa Press that has a backup generator to keep the storage conditions of the incunabula, able to provide service for a day and a half.
In Health no cut
The deputy Corts EUPV in Marina Albiol, in a statement, had alerted midmorning "threats" of power outages in the Department of Health and lamented that "the disastrous policy" PP "has left the empty box to the having no point to pay for electricity. "
In this case, sources consulted by Europa Press has explained that a senior member of this administration had asked officials to turn off the computer because it was proceeding to a power outage and have ensured that Iberdrola technicians have tried to access the site of the Department, but have not been allowed access . Sources of the Government have denied that these units have been affected by the cuts.
Library Service to Valencia was restored in the morning while the Government was confident that throughout the day is one hundred percent to remedy the supply in the other units. Sources have confirmed past Consell 17.00 he had recovered the service.
"Incomprehensible and inconceivable"
The Regional Minister of Finance and Public Administration, José Manuel Vela, said through a statement that "the power cuts made ??today by Gas Natural Fenosa (GNF) in some departments of the Generalitat are incomprehensible and inconceivable."
The councilor pointed out that the Government has made ??payments of amounts accrued GNF to December 31, 2011 during the month of July, through the Provider Payment Plan.
It has also indicated that "during the months of September and October, as planned, the Government has satisfied the additional payments to the company."
"Do not know the reason for this measure absolutely excessive and GNF expect the Valencian Apologize , offer a coherent explanation for the Generalitat and reconsider the irreparable damage caused picture today, "said the minister.
Finally, Vela has indicated that the "Consell regrets this unjust action and expected to respond to mere trade policy reasons and not to other interests now know. "
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Let me be the first to let them know the shit hits the fan right quick.
How's it going out there? Do you have power or operating of a generator? Don't give away that you have power tonight.
Hey I responded but it got kicked below. Thanks for asking man.
New title:
"New energy saving plan allows Spain to achieve targets"
If shit hits in the dark, does anyone see it?
NO, BUT THE SMELL...
Godspeed, Fonzanoon.
Start that community watch group TONIGHT.
Without delay.
Fam in Staten in same "boat".
It's funny. I mentioned it to some neighbors today. Even the guys with the guns. They still think I am an alarmist. They are too stupid to see shit right in front of their faces. I don't know why I should be surprised. Godspeed gooch, do the best you can. I have some falimy spread around and I don't like it. My sister is in brooklyn. Thiss Rambo shit does not fly. Nothing I can do about it from here. I am having a sit down with my whole family when this is over. They will probably have me committed. Whatever.
A less than subtle reminder that anyone second-guessing their sanity by preparing for the worst are indeed sane.
Rational, even.
Edit: Don't worry, they'll tweet when they're in the neighborhood...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/hurricane-sandy-looters-broadca...
The Gooch is correct, fonz. The consensus mental state of "modern" humanity has wandered pretty far from the path of sense and sanity. These days, the most well adjusted people are the ones to be concerned about, not the ones preparing for an uncertain future.
Best wishes to you, your family, Gooch, and everyone else dealing with the aftermath of the storm. Please keep us updated.
Do you mean I have to cancel my christmas vacation to valencia?
Wow, so the government didn't just SEIZE the company? What's the world coming to?
Welcome to the new dark age...
Citigroup loses it's 111 Wall St office for several weeks. There is a God.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-30/citigroup-says-wall-street-building-unusable-for-several-weeks.html
But, but, but narrative.
Iberdrola nationalized in 5..4..3..2
I have no power. At a friends house whose block miraculously has power. I feel like shit leaving my house but I don't think crime will hit my area just yet. Heading home tomorrow. Taking stock of the situation. If no power and supermarkets/gas stations have no power I will send my wife and daughter away. I do not have a generator. Most people who do already had them crap out because they are out of gas. What is really interesting is there are literally no work crews anywhere to be found. And I see huge trees sitting on power lines on main roads. Tomorrow is a big day for me. If I don't see major improvement it is time to get family to safety. I am not leaving my house. It probably seems trivial but I came to far. Like I said this was an eye opener though. I will have a much better plan B from here on out because in a prolonged currency collapse situation I don't like my chances.
http://www.lipower.org/stormcenter/outagemap.html
Better to figure that out now. Remember to post the zombie rules to the door...double tap...always double tap.
Glad to see you made it through Fonzi.
Thanks man. Hopefully in a few days I will be on here making fun of other people in low lying areas for pruposefully exposing themselves to the elements. It's different when it's you......
Been there. I know its tougher in the city, it breeds dependency.
As long as the family and you are safe, in te end, thats all that matters. They got the Guard out in your neck of the woods yet?
Not yet man. It's a different breed up here. They (and I, who am I kidding) are not used to going without. The difference is they think help is on the way, and it may be. I just want to be a step ahead.
Well, you have electricty (meaning, internet, unless I'm missing something) so thats half the battle, heat and what not.
I wouldn't worry too much about it...you have a dog (early warning system) and a gun I'm going to guess. Just hang around, there's probably some guys just like you whó you'll meet tomorrow and you can get a loose plan together. The Guards there as a back up to the cops and I don't think any of them have split like in Nawlins.
You'll be fine...just don't let your head play tricks on ya...could be utility guys roaming around the block too. Stay steady.
There are caravans of FP&L, Duke, Pike, Asplundh...the usual crews heading your way. Its just a time thing.
Thanks dude. Lucky I have friends who have power. I think this is a good wake up call. I think we will get through it.
Walkure I know my sister has power in Brooklyn. My Dad is with her. I can't speak for the rest of brooklyn. Sorry man.
You must be looking forward to Thanksgiving. By then you'll have LOTS to talk about and the worst is behind you. But I'm not kidding you. The next few weeks will be tough. It will be toughest for those directly affected but it will also affect the rest of the country. The nerve center has once again been hit. This time it's been hit broader and more devastating than 11 years ago. The sooner the rest of the country and the world for that matter realize that, the faster we can work on solutions for real HOPE and real CHANGE.
Yeah, I am looking forward to heat in my house. I think in 24 hrs that is what is going to make this situation become very real for a lot of people. No heat. I wonder if people here are learning any large scale lessons. I doubt it. This was a big deal for me. I realized that if we have a prolonged recenssion/depression and the loss of power etc. were to take place I would not stick around for it. So now I have to really start figuring out what the plan is.
Try to keep dry as possible, wear lots of layers.
Best, from a former NYer
There's only so much you can do in the city as far as REALLY securing your family & self.
Its a trade off really...just like a lot of things in life...I drive 40 miles one way to a pretty small burg to work. But when I get back home its fenced and its the ole "Your soul may belong to Jesus but your ass belongs to me" law for crossing the fence/gate ;-)
Its what we wanted and accepted when we moved "öut". It was mutual, it has to be or it won't work.
And I don't want you to get the idea its a bed of roses here, our power can go out on a sunny day (trees fall on a line) and when the well for our water goes on the fritz the phone call is to someone to fix it and pay (or learn to fix it yourself, not hard most of the time) and when the septic backs up, its you against the turds...lol...unless its full, then call to get it pumped.
Just sayin...tradeoffs...but no, I don't live in a log cabin either...its around 2500 sq ft.
Living out here you will have to accept the prevailing wage or start a viable business of your own or be retired or get used to windshield time.
Hope that gives some perspective...at least from my perspective.
I hear you man. I have no doubt the grass is not always greener. It's about tradeoffs....
Yes it certainly is, I miss the saltwater. I was born next to it, I think its in my blood...lol.
Take care of you & yours.
You got that right nmewn - I've been out 40 years, always tradeoffs, but I would not be anywhere else. But Country or City, you learn when TSHTF how important your neighbors are and how important you have the basics covered. At least, when my water goes out, I know what I need to do and where I need to go to fix it, and have the tools and back up parts and experience (having built the system) to fix it. Same with the power and heat.
But there are big trade-offs. I suspect Sandy will cause a bunch more folks to move out a bit further into self-sufficiency land - hope so. But remember, the gubernment wants to keep you needing them - and the more self-sufficent you (and your very local community of neighbors) are, the less you need them and the more nervous they get. After 40 years, the gubernment has informed me I live on a 'shaded parcel' cause the original developer didn't do some damn sub-division right, and *I* am the outlaw and have to make this right - 40 fucking years after the fact.
You can't make this shit up. I'll probably be lawyered up on this shit for the rest of my life. Cocksuckers.
This is real coverage. There is otherwise little to no coverage available of what is going on. I suspect MSM are not reporting how much damage has been caused and how long the repairs and restoration will last because the media's main objective is to keep people stupid. If people knew just how bad it is and how dire the outlook, they would start to panic. You don't want to be there when the panic starts. If your wife can leave (you mentioned she had a job) then get her and the daughter out anywhere with relatives that you may have out further West. You can probably tough it out for a few days / weeks with little food and water. You don't want to see your family hungry and thirsty. That's your number one goal right now as of tomorrow. There is no way telling when life will return to "normal" after an event like this. No way telling when gas stations will have fuel and stores will have groceries and other supplies. The whole supply side has been affected as well and you are NOT the only one worried about this right now. Government can do certain things but they CANNOT bring life back to "normal" in 24-hours. I expect they will roll in troops to help with the distribution of care packages, at least in the most densely populated areas. They will ask people to move into shelters. Don't put your family there if you can avoid it. Ration your fuel and food supplies as of like yesterday.
Maybe someone else has a good idea what to do to protect your property from being looted. A sort of dress down to look like you've got the poorest shack on the street.
The people who have power are in nana land. They think it's business as usual. The people without are moving from some sense of roughing it to "this kind of sucks". The next step will be mild panic. My wife etc. won't be here for that. The people who barely were hanging on are already in the nothing left to lose stage. So either they fix shit quick or it gets ugly. The national guard rolled by earlier today. Curious to see what they do.
What's going on with Brooklyn? I don't hear anything from there. JFK is supposed to open tomorrow. How feasible is that? Will anyone show up for work to control flights even? They may have a skeleton crew running the airport but that's about it.
How to make an Olive Oil lamp:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/Make-Olive-Oil-Lamp.aspx
StoveTec Rocket Stoves:
http://www.stovetec.net/us/index.php
Silly Power Companies apparently don't understand Debt IS Money so they will be paid in debt?
Fiat is debt based so the answer is still...yes.
Hee stupids, stop that.
The water is pumped up to here by the Generalitat Valencia and i want a shower and coffee tomorrow morning.
Awesome! Can't wait to see how the muppets react when dancing with octamom gets cut off by the local power company. This is why you stock yir ammo bitchezz.
"...all we hear from talking heads is that all is well - and deficits will be better next year."
Uh, thought deficits don't matter, isn't that what the bi-partisan windbags on both Republican and Democrat benches trumpet?!!
Krugman, pull up your pants and get across to Valencia, there's a hole in your theory ..and it's growing.
PS. graphic toon (eyes in the dark) to this ZH article, chucklefunny :))
Oh the government will save them. Government saves everyone. Government is great.
Good time to impeach Bloomberg.
That was NOT an easy read. But here's what I took from it:
They were shocked that the power was turned off when they had just recently finished paying the bill for 2011 and claimed "the check is in the mail" for some of 2012. Do I have that about right?
More or less.
In June 2012, they paid for old electric charges dating up to December 2011. All electric since Jan 2012 is still unpaid for, so the company cut their supply.
The reason the Valencian government is shocked at the cut is that Spanish administrations are paying their bills anywhere from 1 to 2 years after they incur the charges. This has become common practice since 2008.
Many smaller mom-and pop providers, and not so small are having serious financial problems because of this, these businesses are directly financing these local administrations, unwillingly. It is well-known practice that those companies who sue for payment get paid last or not at all when a little cash becomes available.
The electric company must have gotten word that there was no funds for a further back-bill payment which was probably promised to them, and this is their way to hurry things along. There is no need to nationalize the electric supplier, as most upper-level management has been placed there by politicians, are ex-politicians, etc.
It's not just the electric. Many scientific research facilities have the employees buying everyday equipment out of their own pockets, and nurses and doctors regularly bring in their own latex gloves, gauzes, syringes, etc into their workplace. I know at least two cases of public admin buildings in Madrid who have had no paper supply for the last year, and each month wonder if the money to pay that month's payroll will come in or not.
Peachy.
"While much of New York City and Westchester remain 'dark' thanks to Sandy; it seems across the pond, the government of Valencia has gone dark due to stupidity"
Fucking great stuff. Bravo, Tyler.
Con Ed power outage map
How many crews can they possibly have working on this? Has a curfew been put into effect yet?
http://www.lipower.org/stormcenter/outagemap.html
Wherever they are I have not seen one yet. No curfews. There is no where to go anyway and no one to send them home. I think now that everyone sees the gas stations are closed they are keeping as much gas in the car as possible.
gasbuddy shows 3 stations in Islip with fairly recent reports. I imagine that if you have roads and power, you can probably run a gas station. And if scattered areas have power, there might be gasoline available if you know where to look.
This is the time when a fireplace would be very handy. It can warm a room and the smoke warns potential looters that the home is occupied.
Will insurance companies declear bankcrptch by the end of Nov?
Well. if you remember what happpened in New Orleans not so long ago.....
Crews (mainly union) from the North East (and elsewhere) were sent in to help. There was only so much money and well, the money ran out. At about $90 per hour plus expenses etc. per man, storm duty isn't so bad.
I was down in NYC back in 06 (maybe 05), during the blackout in August. We did better with (non-hooker) women than the wall street assholes ever did. And get this, maybe it was the air conditioning, but no-one caught the clap.
NOAA says that this event is about 10% over - the arctic cold front that is on the way toward New England will be the kicker. Perpare to stay warm - that will be the key for the next 3-5 days. The folks trapped in urban towers without electricity are at great risk. For those in the country just because there is gasoline available now to power generators please don't assume that will continue to be the case. I have a good friend in NH who says that he is going to the gas station every day and buying 20 gallons and doesn't see what could possibly go wrong. I respect and love him but have told him that he is a fool. He needs to have at least 100 gallons on hand.
This things happened only at election time and politician has done only for getting vote..
pests of stored products