The Schrodinger (Non) Market Gets Extra-Schizophrenic

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With US equity markets closed for the second day in a row, we remain at the whim of either wishful-thinkers on TV or pragmatic realists looking at other markets for clues. Guessing at tomorrow's cash open (or this evening's futures open) is a coin-toss. Gold's move today implies stocks open down around 1%; Treasury Futures imply stocks open down very modestly; the Canadian equity market indicates stocks open up around 1%; and EURUSD (and EURJPY) suggest equities open down slightly from this morning's closing level of 1411.25. So take your pick - up 1%, down 1%, or unch? Or all at the same time as the algos go full Baumgartner. S&P 500 futures will re-open at 1800ET.

Gold suggests that S&P 500 futures limped lower all day - ending back below 1400...


But Oh Canada suggests S&P 500 opens up around 1%! (though we will have to se if the last minute ramp or dump occurs to reset things to normality)... This is a 2% rally off ES lows yesterday!!!


and EURUSD (and EURJPY) suggests S&P 500 futures limped lower after a modest pick up into Europe's close...


and Treasury Futures suggest a modest decline in S&P 500 futures also...



So - for the S&P.. Gold says big down, Treasuries small down, FX small down; and (drum roll please) Canada says big up...

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Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:18 | 2932605 redpill
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Yeah but all those NY Fed employees haven't been able to goose stocks for days, and still harbor resentment that Kevin got to have all the fun on Friday. That's a massive case of bankercrat blueballs, so tomorrow I expect we'll see a climax of "monitoring."

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:22 | 2932820 The Monkey
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Bullish.  We're heading into an election, end of year, etc.  We have QE, dollar is heading down.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:18 | 2932606 vast-dom
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too much logic and thinking for these wind blown black markets.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:44 | 2932710 WarPony
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we'll see in the last three days of the week ...W(ednesday)T(hursday)F(riday)

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:19 | 2932607 The Shootist
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It all depends on whether the algos are given any slack. With them at the helm, it only ever goes up.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:58 | 2932750 I am more equal...
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Canada is the USA's slightly brain damaged alcoholic cousin that took too many high-sticks to the head. 

Hey ... hoser, take off!

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:46 | 2932610 ZerOhead
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Ty's right... Forget Schrodinger's Cat we have a new critter called a Schrodinger's Market here.

Is it alive or is it dead? Quantum theory says both but then again it really depends on the observer.

One thing cannot be argued however... namely that there is enough hydrocyanic acid out there to kill every 'investor'.

Place your bets accordingly and have a nice day...

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:21 | 2932621 daz
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ohhh correlations... IT'S A TRAP!


Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:25 | 2932635 JustObserving
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What market?  There is no market - just the whims of the Fed.

It is just a matter of time before the Fed starts buying equities openly as they do in Japan.

Never short a manipulated "market."

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:15 | 2932793 zerozulu
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World should grasp the notion that its OK to live without Wall street.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:26 | 2932638 walküre
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Good luck to all NYSE employees trying to get to work tomorrow. Remember to share cabs. You never know who could be sitting next to you. Bring your own lunches as restaurants and stores will either be closed or overwhelmed. Bring your own toilet paper as the janitors will be unable to make it into town without mass transit.

Half the city is out of power including the Financial District and they're expecting to resume a full working day on the exchanges and the brokerages, investment banks etc in that area. Call me stupid if you will but I think that is complete bullshit.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:39 | 2932692 fonzannoon
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It's not only stupid, it's impossible. Schools care closed and daycare's are closed. So parents are stuck. My wife's job is open tomorrow. They can go fk themselves. In about 2 more days of this I will have to stay home just to keep an eye on looters...and I live in a pretty good area. See my post below.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:10 | 2932760 ZerOhead
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In a disturbing development looters are beginning to organise in the Twitterverse...

Accordingly authorities will be shutting off all power to New York and wait for the batteries to die just to be on the safe side.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:28 | 2932647 Bastiat
Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:31 | 2932659 JPM Hater001
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Found my boat...

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:43 | 2932703 Bastiat
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But I bet the gold is gone . . .

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:19 | 2932808 JPM Hater001
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It's the darnest thing.

oh, and silver...not gold.  I dont plan on being wealthy, I plan on being really fucking wealthy.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:48 | 2932722 helping_friendl...
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That poor deer. Got caugt in the surge.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:29 | 2932653 JPM Hater001
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<-----The Cat in the box comes out tomorrow

<-----The Cat in the box hasnt come out because it died in the Hurricane.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:31 | 2932657 Orly
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We should discount the Canadian equities because, as ZeroHedge pointed out earier, the algos had to go somewhere.

I think the tell will be the market reaction to the Australian building numbers later this evening.  It could really set the ball rolling downhill quickly if they come in bad, as they are priced to perfection vis-a-vis the Australian dollar.


Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:38 | 2932670 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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King dollar! Because Bernanke loves us and wants us to be happy!


But really how can anything be priced to perfection if fiat has zero intrinsic value?

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:58 | 2932747 Orly
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Makes one wonder what this is about:

The UK was to release consumer confidence later tonight, about 8:00pm Eastern but the number was somehow leaked to the press before-hand.  I haven't heard of that before coming from Britain and I've never heard it being printed beforehand by the press.  The expected number is -28, same as last month.

From ForexFactory:

"Data leaked 11 hours earlier than the scheduled release time listed. The ‘Actual’ of -30 is being reported in brackets to denote that it’s a press leak and has not been confirmed by the official source. This number may change upon release by the official source."

What is up with releasing a bad number way beforehand?  Are they trying to prime the pump or deflect the impact of bad news?

This is just getting weirder all the time.


Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:08 | 2932777 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:19 | 2932809 Haager
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Didn't Mervyn King said something about more easing when the numbers are bad? So it's priming the pump...

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:31 | 2932661 VonManstein
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ignore gold i mean WTF its not trading freely. its trading even less freely than anything else i mean.. what do i mean? who are you? what am i doing here aghgghhh

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:44 | 2932706 viahj
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Barmaid, Whiskey STAT for this man!

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:45 | 2932713 vix is for kids
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Why do so many here claim that gold and silver don't trade freely?  Their decade-long bull markets fit all of the parameters of any bull market in the number of up versus down days, the price variation per day, the support at long term moving averages, etc.  I guarantee you, if gold, or any other market, only moved in one direction every day, that would be the sign of manipulation.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:17 | 2932802 VonManstein
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although i do agree with many of your statements. moving avg etc. im afraid the main thrust of your argument is claptrap. and if you think gold is correctly priced here.. then you are what is refered to as a "dimp" yes, thats right.

thanks for the whisky

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:35 | 2932851 YC2
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thanks for um....

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:34 | 2932672 Gringo Viejo
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FORT KNOX HOLDS NO GOLD! Central Banks hold a fraction of what they show on the books as gold holdings. Tell a friend.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:07 | 2932776 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Nobody cares.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 18:04 | 2932925 Gringo Viejo
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They will..........lmao.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:35 | 2932679 Donlast
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I kid you not, this is the heading on an article in today's FT:

Draghi's resolve is the ECB's sharpest tool

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:51 | 2932731 vix is for kids
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Draghi is an ECB tool, alright. 


And, on it's relative scale, he could indeed be it's sharpest.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:37 | 2932682 fonzannoon
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OT but it's getting ugly on Long Island. Very few people have power. Gas stations are all shut down. I saw a few people smashing the ATM machine's with their fists because they were all down. I am at a friends house who has power. It's going to be weeks before most areas get power back. This is probably just a dry run but it shows me that all the cash in the world and all the gold is useless once your fridge is room temperature and you have no gas left and the store's are closed. I used to think I would stay put and stick it out but if I ever think there is a situation that would cause this again, especially on a long term basis. I am f'n outta here.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:41 | 2932695 realtick
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Very well said. Good luck, brother.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:46 | 2932717 viahj
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don't be like GS and advertise your possession of power to the masses.  the rovers could notice and take interest.  they will be out and about tonight.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:10 | 2932783 walküre
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Do you have power?

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:33 | 2932846 fonzannoon
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I have no power. At a frends place. Sending my wife and daughter away tomorrow if no power back. Already spoke to two neighbors that have guns (many). We will start a neighborhood watch prob tomorrow night. I am not fkin around. If I see someone near my house they get one chance to identify themselves. Then it's over. I am an insomniac and am less than cordial late at night.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 18:42 | 2933001 The Gooch
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Family in Staten Island in same "boat".

They lost damn near everything they've worked for and he almost lost his life last night to a wall of water.

Community is where it's at. 

I'd start that watch right about sunset.

Whether you believe or not, God Bless and Godspeed.



Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:38 | 2932689 PUD
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A good part of the worlds woes can be traced back to the moment every micro tic in the market was bet on. What once had the facade of a capital market has been reduced to a greyhound trifecta.

Bloomberg counting down to the futures open, calling forth soothsayers and guessing like a drunk with a racing program determined to win back his losses



Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:40 | 2932694 zebra
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the robots are short-circuited due to the flood.


Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:49 | 2932723 ZFiNX
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LMAO why'd he say "EXTRA". Thought only So Cal people used that slang.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:55 | 2932744 helping_friendl...
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There will be selling in droves. Remember Apple was in the process of taking a shit last week and go under $600/share? All those, 240, hedge funds sitting on Apple.



I say a massive sell off in Apple which means massive plunge in SnP.

Come on people!!!! It was only last Friday and how soon you forget!

So Cramer will come on tonight and tell you to buy Home Depot? Give me a break.

game over.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 18:26 | 2932966 Awakened Sheeple
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I think a wait and see approach might be best. The hurricane has Keynesian momo retard bulls all amped up. Wait for the rally to fizz out and then short the shit out of it.

Then again, if we open gap down, time to bring the pain.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:01 | 2932749 Being Free
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take your pick - up 1%, down 1%, or unch


Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:03 | 2932753 GoldbugVariation
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"Out of hours" prices for the main US index futures have been quoted in London and other markets all day on Monday and Tuesday - the same as happens on specific US public holidays when the US markets are closed but European markets open.

Dow future dipped to a low of 12990 overnight on Monday, then lifted by China and Japan, currently 13111.5 so just 4 points down from Friday's close.

S&P 500 future similar pattern, low at 1398.3, currently at 1414.5, so actually up 1.9 points from Fiday.

Tech 100 future similar pattern again, currently at 2654.5.

To me the charts are currently looking a bit toppy and like there might be falls from 18:00 ET this evening.  I would definitely expect the "out of hours" lows to be re-tested before the week is finished, because market bottoms are not usually formed on the low volume that you get out of hours.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:07 | 2932769 malikai
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Today's QE-whatever in Japan looked pretty funny over here:

Also, 1402 for the S&P.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:10 | 2932784 Quinvarius
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Gold's moves imply nothing.  They don't even imply a price of gold.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:21 | 2932817 VonManstein
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well said sir

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