Rochdale AAPLosion Update: It's All The "Rogue Trader's" Fault

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Bloomberg has an update on the most amusing story of the day, namely that Rochdale appears to have blown daytrading Apple. And guess what: taking a cue from SocGen, UBS, and JPM, it's all a "rogue trader's" fault. Of course, if the trade had gone the "other way", Rochdale would not be needing a bailout, and the rogue trader would be looking forward to a generous holiday bonus.

  • Rochdale bought more Apple shares than the brokerage’s management intended around the time of the technology company’s Oct. 25 earnings report, two people familiar told Bloomberg’s Hugh Son, Saijel Kishan and Zeke Faux.
  • Rochdale officials told employees a rogue trader amassed the position, one of the people said.

In other words, if you were an underperforming hedge fund who had no choice but to bet the farm on AAPL into earnings (and remember that 230 of your nearest friends had already done so, so there was no greater fool left), congratulations: you are now a rogue trader.

We wonder how many more such "rogue traders" who dabbled in AAPL, and blew up after levering to the hilt in hopes to make their year on AAPL soaring into year end, will emerge before the next week is over...

And just because it feels so good, here it is again, from October 25:

230 Hedge Funds Suddenly Cried Out In Terror And Were Suddenly Silenced

A week after the second most populous hedge fund hotel, Google, blew up, it is now time for good ole' Hotel Caaplefornia itself. The HF holders table below is presented without comment (as we have said all there is to say many times). Remember: orderly, cool, calm, collected single file procession through the tight exit: and nobody panic! 


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Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:21 | 2941745 SloMoe
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In Russia, you bite apple. In America, apple bites you.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:25 | 2941769 Mark Carney
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Loving the obvious silver manipulation today

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:29 | 2941783 Captain Benny
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What manipulation?  This is just a really rough day in the silver markets becase the miners just found a massive hoard of silver under the oil in the Gulf of Mexico and expect it to become mineable as soon as BP pops the cork on their big oil find.  The Macondo mine should be producing hoards of silver within days.


Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:45 | 2941872 redpill
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Modern diversification [da??v??s?f??ke???n] - noun - financial term: 'the owning of Apple AND Google in the same account'

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:59 | 2941934 youngman
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The PM´s will be back in vogue next week as the EU continues to fall apart....and Japan devalues...I am buying more today...this is an eye off the ball trade...

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 19:07 | 2943179 Richard Chesler
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Bernanke is my hedge. - a roach bankster.

btw, Fuck you Bernanke.

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 11:46 | 2944208 Non Passaran
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I agree.
I bought 1oz yesterday, will buy more next week.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:02 | 2941944 constantine
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Actually, that's true.  The second that I read the great jobs report, I rushed to my local bullion dealer and sold all of my silver.  I had to wait a few hours in line because there was such a rush of everybody frantically trying to sell their silver so that they could take their cash.  We all agreed that our next stop would be to buy as many shares of Linked In, NetFlix, and Zynga.  Buy low, sell high.  So happy the economy has turned around.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:34 | 2941815 The Gooch
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BTFD if you have all the other bases covered. (At the coin shop, of course.)
If not, cover them NOW.
Fuck you Bloomberg!
I have some family on Staten that would LOVE to meet you and discuss the "marathon".

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:46 | 2941877 MsCreant
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Arrow up in support of your family. So sorry about that. 

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:19 | 2942038 The Gooch
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Thank you. (!)




Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:49 | 2942180 ParkAveFlasher
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Generators in the tent, handing out water on the path.  Unreal.  Remember Long Beach, remember The Shore.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:52 | 2941905 walküre
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NY needs that marathon now like a fucking hole in the head.

The city should have been allowed to recover. Shut down all non-essential business for the week and give people a minute to figure things out. Get the banks to cover all payments for the time being and ask FEMA collectively as banks.

Hey, it's not like the other money they received was earned the hard way. So why stop now? The Fed can just release all those "emergency" funds, can't they? What? The printers are out of ink? Sandy spoiled the paper party?

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:53 | 2941912 redpill
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Are you trying to say it's NOT a smart idea for Bloomberg to let his citizens starve so he can let a bunch of Africans fly in and run around the streets?  That would be right up there with making a Presidential endorsement based on climate change, or banning 16oz sodas.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:08 | 2941971 The Gooch
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I hope his private jet crashes in a "global warming" incident. P.O.S. 

I'll hoist a 40 oz. to that.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:10 | 2941976 ptoemmes
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It is my sincere hope that the people of New York City will come out in mass to the marathon....

...and take all the freaking refreshments at all the stations, confiscate the generators, and maybe just make a human wall acorss the race route bringing it to an immediate halt.

Occupy The Marathon (OTM) so to speak.  Watch out for Bologna and his pepper spray.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:51 | 2941870 Jay Gould Esq.
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It must be noted that not only do hedge funds lodge in the Hotel Applefornia: the "retail managers' " ( i.e., the quite living and breathing, human S&P 500 index clonemongers ) signatures are also to be found in the front desk register.

One glaring example: Fidelity Contrafund, managed by Will Danoff. Per the most recent holdings roster, dated 28 September, Apple comprised fully 9.6% of the fund's $58 billion in assets. Fidelity Applefund is not the only Fidelity equity and/or balanced offering to count Apple among its top one or two positions...indeed, "retail" has more exposure to this roach trap than their 401(k)s may have been seduced to believe.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:03 | 2941950 scatterbrains
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Where my I-crack niggas at ?

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:32 | 2941799 Eireann go Brach
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This has to be the biggest mistake in America since Obama was elected president!

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:39 | 2941840 Sam Clemons
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In a few years, it will be so clear to everyone that "of course AAPL was a bubble" and that "basing 20% of an index on it wasn't a good idea."

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:55 | 2941918 seek
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In a few months, it will be so clear to everyone that "of course AAPL was a bubble" and that "basing 20% of an index on it wasn't a good idea."

Hmm, still doesn't read right.

In a few days, it will be so clear to everyone that "of course AAPL was a bubble" and that "basing 20% of an index on it wasn't a good idea."

That's closer...


Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:07 | 2941969 NotApplicable
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How 'bout this?

The day after the election, it will be so clear to everyone that "of course AAPL was a bubble" and that "basing 20% of an index on it wasn't a good idea."

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:42 | 2941856 LongSoupLine
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Maybe the "rouge trader" read the muppet "buy, buy, buy" letter to clients by accident.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:23 | 2942050 Larry Dallas
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I love this shit. "Rogue Trader". Sort of like in commercial real estate the deals that are distressed were managed by a "bad operator".

How does this Rogue Trader keep getting a job if he keeps screwing up all the time?

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:40 | 2942129 DCFusor
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Good info on Apple's bogus litigation at this site - it goes way back, but here's today's:

This is what's really going to kill them, so it bears watching the actual results in court, and understanding about things like who is likely to succeed on appeal, rather than looking at MSM spin on the topic.  If you're not too lazy to do your due dilligence.

Disclosure - short AAPL.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:23 | 2941759 kato
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We need Steve Wynn to run the markets. He will collect from the losers and then let them die.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:26 | 2941761 Dr. Engali
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Damn those pesky rogue traders still wreaking havoc four years later. One would think there would be systems in place to take care of that would think.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:29 | 2941785 redpill
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A constable is a rogue in a world of thieves.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:31 | 2941796 MsCreant
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Now there you go, thinking. That's the problem. You may quietly go back to the reality you subscribed to before the programming interuption. These glitches are simply detestable. Really. We are so sorry. Take this blue pill and enjoy a nice steak. Ignore those little cables trying to jack themselves back into your nervous system, it won't hurt after a bit. Ignore anything that tells you the story does not add up.


Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:33 | 2941811 knukles
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Hi Ms C,
How goes it these days?

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:41 | 2941852 MsCreant
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I am doing pretty well actually. Busy. As much as I hang out here, I am actually trying to stop worrying and just get real and get on with it. I will be around off and on during the day, I will check the little chat thingie to see if you are there too.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:43 | 2941862 knukles
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Love ya'     chat later....

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:40 | 2941849 Dr. Engali
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Yeah I know. I try to tell myself to stop trying to apply logic and reason, but I guess that is just the neanderthal in takes a while for me to learn.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:32 | 2941801 knukles
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There are rather sophisticated systems in place, Doc.
For every gain the trader's told it's what he's supposed to be doing, booked into the house's account and the Grand Fromage cited for hos infinite vision, wisdom and management skills...., for every loss the trader's a rogue fuckup and it's booked directly against him, regulatory agencies investigate, the trader is arrested for civil crimes and sued by the firm for the losses...  maybe even forcing his wife and small children into lives of prostitution in the deepest reaches of the Congo for the pecuniary benefit of the firm's jilted shareholders.

Sophisticated, directly traceable, real time, highly specific allocation of P&L.  Exactly where the appropriately designated intelligence resides... and it ain't the boss gonna take the hit.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:51 | 2941898 TheFourthStooge-ing
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knukles said:

There are rather sophisticated systems in place, Doc.

True enough, especially when it comes to undocumented commands.

Sophisticated, directly traceable, real time, highly specific allocation of P&L.  Exactly where the appropriately designated intelligence resides... and it ain't the boss gonna take the hit.

The boss will never take the hit, because he is one of the few that knows the undocumented CTRL+SHIFT+F command, also known as the Fabrice. This command's sole function is to generate a "legally" plausible scapegoat.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:40 | 2941845 Cursive
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@Dr. Engali


Ha ha.  Per internal controls, any trading operation should have an independent risk management function a/k/a "the middle office" and this should be caught before the VaR suggests a P&L blow-out.  All trades are suppossed to be approved by front office management, too.  So, either Rochdale deserves this because their management was a willing participant or Rochdale deserves this because they were managerial idiots.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:16 | 2942010 NotApplicable
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Now, take that logic, mix in an HFT algo-bot or two, then describe again how it can all work.

When the holding time can be measured in milliseconds, human controls are not an option.

So, they either program it into the bot (while missing all the best front-running opportunities), or ignore it altogether while trying to manage the aggregates.

Now, given their connected status to the ever-important financial regulatory world (read "bailout"), would you expect a single one of them to endanger their timing advantage with risk management?

No fuckin' way. We've gone full-BizzaroWorld.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:17 | 2942019 Itch
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Just look to UBS for clues about the "systems". The system goes like this; if you make friends with your line manager, pretend you really like him to the point of sucking his dick every now and again, he will show you a way around not booking your losses until they turn into winners. This is a flawed system. You can’t design a system for human stupidity, the potential for stupidity is too powerful and infinite. You can control the controllable’s for a certain amount of time, but stupidity always comes through like the fucking champion it is.

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 02:32 | 2943729 StychoKiller
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Waddell & Reed let one of their employees get too close to a terminal...

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:24 | 2941766 slaughterer
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This could get uglier.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:33 | 2941807 MsCreant
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I sure as hell fucking hope so.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:38 | 2941831 disabledvet
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Might have to tune into Cramerica this evening. You know..."see how the wagers are working...

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:39 | 2941839 walküre
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In my dreams I have the banksters and roaches tied up against Wall 33 in a dark dark powerless Lower Manhattan night and slapping them with 36 trillion Dollars worth in wet wet wet useless stock certs from the DTCC vault.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:44 | 2941866 The Gooch
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I had a similar dream but the certs and FRN's were soaked with feces and gasoline.

There was a random spark and... 

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:27 | 2941776 HelluvaEngineer
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Yeah, I shorted a lot more things this year than I meant to.  Someone send me my fucking check.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:29 | 2941784 SDRII
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wait that means the firm is liquidating the Long which is bullish sigh

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:29 | 2941786 Dr. Engali
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I wonder if the morgue is pushing PMs down today and demanding gold from Roch to cover margin costs.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:18 | 2942026 NotApplicable
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No question mark? That's like rhetorical squared!

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:30 | 2941790 The big unzip
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Quick rogues, bar the door!!  There is all kinds of bad shit about to get me now!

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:31 | 2941791 JustObserving
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Who is the rogue trader selling Gold and Silver today?

The CFTC will look for 4 years and find everything was just fine.

Your money and your regulators working for you.

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