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Israeli War Game Does Not See Attack Of Iran Starting World War III

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It would appear, based on the latest war games from Israel's Institute of National Security Studies, that we should all go back to sleep and not worry about the impact of an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear infrastructure. The reason not to worry is simple - either it ignites World War III (which we presume means it will be all over very rapidly and we will be blissfully unaware until its too late to be capable of achieving anything) or - as they suspect (and gamed out) - there will be a focus on 'containment and restraint' with Iran unable to ignite the Middle East. The result is predicated on 'actors' motivated by rational considerations; which seems entirely irrational. All the gory details below...

War Game: The Hours following an Attack on Iran’s Nuclear Infrastructures

The Policies of the Actors and Principal Insights

The Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) held a war game (simulation) focusing on the first 48 hours after an Israeli aerial attack on Iran’s nuclear infrastructures.

The Scenario

After midnight on November 9, al-Jazeera reports that Israeli airplanes have attacked Iran’s nuclear facilities in three waves of attack. As reports multiply, Israel officially announces it has attacked Iran’s nuclear sites because it had no other choice. According to the scenario, Israel did not coordinate the attack with the United States in advance, and only informed the US once the planes were already en route to the Iranian targets. Initial assessments estimate that the Iranian nuclear program has been set back by nearly three years.

Following the successful attack, Iran decides to react with maximal force, launching  radical elements – to attack Israel. Nonetheless, it is careful to avoid attacking American targets. Israel attempts to contain the attacks and works to attain a state of calm as rapidly as possible. The international community is paralyzed, largely because Russia tries to exploit the situation for its own strategic objectives. At the end of the first 48 hours, Iran continues to attack Israel, as do their proxies, albeit to a lesser extent. At this point in the simulation, the crisis does not seem to be close to a resolution.

Main Policies of the Various Actors

Israel: After achieving its operational goals, Israel showed restraint in the face of provocations and reactions by the radical players spurred by Iran. In parallel, Israel conducted an additional aerial attack to complete destruction of one of the major targets in Iran. Israel’s strategic objective focused on preventing regional escalation and achieving as fast as possible a level of events that was controllable and of low intensity.

 

The United States: Although not informed before the event, the United States clearly stood by Israel’s side and did not expose its differences of opinion with Israel, in order to present a united front against any possible regional escalation. The United States demonstrated willingness to return to the negotiating table and even relax the sanctions, provided Iran showed restraint and in exchange for an Iranian declaration it was ending its military nuclear program. The United States decided it would take military action against Iran only if Iran were to close to the Strait of Hormuz or attack American allies and assets in the Gulf. Similarly, the United States activated economic measures to control the rise in oil prices.

 

Iran: In light of the outcome of the Israeli attack, Iran felt it had no choice but to react strongly and militarily against Israel, launching some 100 Shehab missiles right away (and another 100 in round two) at Tel Aviv, the Negev Nuclear Research Center in Dimona, and various cities. Iran also pressured its proxies to act against Israel and launch rocket and missiles at Israeli targets, as well as engage in multi-front acts of terrorism. At the same time, Iran appealed to the international community to grant legitimacy to its enrichment program and revoke the sanctions against it. At first, Iran chose not to attack American targets and assets to keep the United States from joining the fight against it. But the more Iran felt it was cornered and its freedom of action was curtailed, it realized that its strongest card lay in acting against America’s allies in the Gulf and closing the Strait of Hormuz.

 

Russia chose to promote its objectives in the Caucasus and Europe. Russia also viewed the attack as an opportunity to position itself as the leading actor in the international community because of its ability to communicate with all the actors involved. However, the gap between the US and the Russian positions led to a paralysis of the international community’s ability to act. In turn, and in the absence of American leadership, China, with access to all the relevant actors, became a key player on the international field. Syria preferred to focus on its domestic upheaval, maintain a low profile, and not be dragged into combat against Israel.

 

Hizbollah found itself in a quandary. On the one hand, Hizbollah came under heavy Iranian pressure to begin a massive launch of missiles and rockets at Israel, this being the “day of reckoning” for which Iran had furnished Hizbollah with 50,000 missiles and rockets. On the other hand, Hizbollah was wary about causing heavy damage in Lebanon yet again. It therefore chose to respond to Iran’s demands selectively by launching rockets at Israeli military targets, especially airfields and active anti-missile defense systems. Israel’s restrained response intensified Hizbollah’s dilemma and supported its decision to attack to a relatively limited degree and focus on military targets.

 

Hamas chose to walk a fine line by demonstrating some commitment towards Iran, while making sure not to provide Israel with an excuse for a large scale attack in the Gaza Strip. Hamas’ limited ability to control rogue and radical elements in Gaza was evident, and Hamas was forced to ask the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt for help in restraining the  rogue elements it lacked the power to control. The other actors – Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Turkey, and the international community: Each chose to operate on the basis of its own particular interests, distance itself from the events, and prevent widespread regional escalation.

Insights from the War Game

a. The war game staged the first 48 hours after the attack. The intention was not to predict developments, rather to examine the significance and implications of one possible scenario. The players acted very rationally, demonstrating preventive policies and motivated by crucial interests alone, and ignored domestic and external constraints.

 

b. The Israeli actor assessed that the Israeli public possesses the stamina and fortitude to absorb the blows because it was convinced that for Israel, this was a war of no choice that had achieved is operational goals. The policy of restraint was based primarily on this assumption.

 

c. Iran has only limited tools and a limited ability to hit Israel directly, and therefore must operate its proxies against it. Iran has tools that are more relevant in the Persian Gulf sector, capable of hurting American interests and causing global oil prices to spike. Nonetheless, Iran clearly understood the cost it would have to pay should it ignite the Persian Gulf, especially the United States joining the fighting. This would only incur greater damage to its nuclear infrastructures and greater destruction to a wide array of quality targets in Iran.

 

d. A successful Israeli attack with clear cut results and the meeting of the operational objectives would lead to two contradictory trends: on the one hand, Iran would be obligated to respond militarily and via its proxies; on the other hand its dependence on proxies would allow deterrence of the relevant actors and insertion of a wedge between Iran and its regional allies, thereby preventing regional escalation and encouraging containment.

 

e. Two other important elements likely to help contain the events are America’s clear resolve to stand with Israel and a restrained policy on Israel’s part, especially if the strategic objectives of the attack were met in the initial attack.

 

f. The simulation again raised the disadvantage of having no access to Iran's Supreme Leader and the limited levers of influence. In general, it became clear that there are no reliable lines of communication with the Iranian leadership. While Russia cannot serve as a credible channel for dialogue, it emerged that China may be capable of serving as a mediator.

 

g. In planning the exit strategy and a mechanism to contain and mitigate negative developments, Israel cannot rely on the international community. It is highly probable that the deepening of the divide between the United States and Russia would paralyze the international community. Some of the players on the international arena would like to see Israel "bleed" in order to pay for attacking Iran, regardless of the interests of others, and to restrain its actions in the future. If the crisis were prolonged, it could generate unintended consequences with the risk of regional escalation. Efforts by regional and international elements to end the event may involve a cost to Israel in the area of arms control.

Conclusion

When the simulation was planned, it appeared that the fall of 2012 would be a critical period, and therefore it was decided to examine the possible developments subsequent to an Israeli attack. This sense of an imminent decision has since abated somewhat, but after the US and Israeli elections, the question of an attack will undoubtedly resurface. It is therefore critical to continue to examine the potential ramifications of an attack.

The scenario of an Israeli attack immediately after the US elections does not reflect the position of the Institute for National Security Studies. The possibility of an Israeli attack at any time is complex and has been analyzed in many INSS publications. Overall, there are two opposing assessments of the implications of an Israeli attack.

  1. One anticipates the outbreak of World War III, while
  2. the other envisions containment and restraint, and presumes that in practice, Iran’s capabilities to ignite the Middle East are limited.

The war game that took place developed in the direction of containment and restraint, with the actors motivated mainly by rational considerations and critical interests.

 

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Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:36 | 2947351 lolmao500
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And they don't talk about casualties at all... nor what price oil would be at, nor what it would do to populations in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan... nor what it would do to the world economy... nor the effects of bombing A FUCKING NUCLEAR POWER PLANT, etc...

Basically their scenario is best-best-best-best-no-chances-of-happening-scenario.

It's not a real scenario, it's a propaganda scenario to make people support a war on Iran.

It's of the same BS level as when Bibi said this a week ago :

An Israeli strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities won’t destabilize the Middle East, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in an interview to a French magazine on Tuesday, adding, moreover, that such a move would only serve to restore security in the region.

Here's a more realistic scenario :

New Scientific Study Predicts 85,000 Casualties, “Devastating Consequences” for Iran Attack
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:36 | 2947363 john39
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Netanyahu said that Iraqis would welcome NATO troops as liberators... And we all know how that turned out.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:51 | 2947415 Colombian Gringo
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And if these morons are wrong, and world war 3 does start, do we get to execute the authors?  If not, then they can go to hell for their reckless endangerment of humankind. Survivable nuclear war, sure, if you ignore the effects on the biosphere. Fucking Lunatics.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:56 | 2947433 TruthInSunshine
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If I ever get off to a bad start or my mission goes awry, I simply start over because Gears Of War is awesome like that.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:04 | 2947455 LetThemEatRand
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The good news is that if Israel attacks Iran, it will push U.S. debacle Iraq off the list as top country in the world on the list of population living below the povery line.  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-04/more-greeks-live-poverty-iranians.  They hate us for our freedoms.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:08 | 2947465 markmotive
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The Soviets never thought placing nuclear missiles in Cuba would trigger nuclear armaggeddon. But few realize how close we were to complete destruction of the human race.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/11/03/must-read-vasili-arkhipov-the-m...

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:28 | 2947489 Precious
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"Iranian War Game Does Not See Israel On Any Map."

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 03:12 | 2947956 Harlequin001
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It'll all be over with by Christmas...

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 08:14 | 2948136 francis_sawyer
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We zip in ~ we zip out... It's like going in to Wisconsin...

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 09:35 | 2948256 Spirit Of Truth
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Thinking this might be a tragic miscalculation: http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/10/some-apocalyptic-ranting.ht...

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 10:53 | 2948477 OpenEyes
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Lighten up Francis

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 05:48 | 2948033 monkeyboy
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"Iranian War Game Does Not See Israel On Any Map."

 

I'd be interested to see how that game plays out.......

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:20 | 2947499 ArrestBobRubin
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Yeah, so I guess it's really too bad Israel has placed nukes in numerous  Ameircan cities, and how close America is to being done dirty by our "closest ally" prior to their framing some poor Islamic patsy state for destroying our country.

I mean worse than they already have.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:33 | 2947546 Seize Mars
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Uhh?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:43 | 2947578 Michaelwiseguy
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I had a vision of the place called Dimona. It was bombed from all directions for three days and nights.

No one lived within 100 miles of the place for the next 100 years.

I feel nothing about that situation. 

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:50 | 2947596 ACP
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Of course, Israel could do something a little more low-key, like pull a Dr. Gerald Bull.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:25 | 2947674 TwoShortPlanks
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ORRRRRRR....it ignites anti-Semitism worldwide.

We saw the public reaction to Israel's attack on the supply ships a few years back, they looked like war-mongering wankers.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:25 | 2947804 old naughty
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"...the Iranian nuclear program has been set back by nearly three years."

Hardly rational.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:33 | 2947817 lolmao500
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That's the only way those 1000 years wars over this hellhole of a place ends peacefully. Dimona going all Chernobyl on their asses.

All you retards fight for that hellhole for the last 1000 years?? None of you deserves it... let's make it radioactive till the Sun eats the Earth.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:50 | 2947592 nmewn
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Done dirty...done dirty...oh yeah!...Rev Wrights's ridin dirty!...totally different thing, sorry.

And these Israeli nukes would be in what American cities...exactly?

I love the smell of dementia in the morning ;-)

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:53 | 2947847 knukles
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Yeah, what would Rev. WEright, Beyoncee and Jay-Z have to say about all this?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 04:05 | 2947979 vato poco
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And you know this presumably highly secret 'False-flag nukes in US cities' info......how, exactly, ABR? Did they send you a memo?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 01:05 | 2947861 dbomb12
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And that is why the Govt is building underground bunkers with our tax money so when the SHTF they will go underground and "E plebnista"   will get the shaft as usual

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 01:11 | 2947865 CrockettAlmanac.com
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That is Yang worship word!

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 05:46 | 2948031 monkeyboy
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 They hate us for our freedoms.

 

Nah they you hate for your nukes.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:08 | 2947459 markmotive
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Yeah and nobody thought CDS's would be a problem too.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:08 | 2947469 ACP
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Does it have a "God" mode like the old Doom?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 08:51 | 2948169 johnnymustardseed
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Are we certain that these authors are not Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfield?? And yes they are morons.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:08 | 2947463 Cortez the Killer
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does anyone really doubt that Israel will use its nukes one day to incinerate the muslim world?

john 15:13

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:09 | 2947468 otto skorzeny
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you are a fucking idiot

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:24 | 2947513 ArrestBobRubin
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I see.... Have you really thought through that particular brainstorm?

Does Israel just walk into a bright shiny future after this act? How does your fairytale end?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:37 | 2947557 LetThemEatRand
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No brain.  Just storm.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:43 | 2947576 Cortez the Killer
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with more violence of course. retaliations, more attacks.

but eventually a calm will settle in. detente will prevail.

Israel, if it still exists, will be isolated.

but 100 years later, the world will raise glasses and toast the brilliant stroke that eliminated the 7th century scourge

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 03:28 | 2947968 Harlequin001
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so, eventually, after 100 years, everything will be alright.

Cool...

Do you see any flaw here, by any chance?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 09:32 | 2948247 AnAnonymous
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but 100 years later, the world will raise glasses and toast the brilliant stroke that eliminated the 7th century scourge
_______________________

Any prophecy about the elimination of the 18th century scourge?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 10:50 | 2948463 The Unabonger
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Does anyone doubt that the Final Solution will eventually be embraced as a neccecity for human survival and completed?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:36 | 2947548 vast-dom
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black dots = us military bases:

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7366/screenshot12ad.jpg

 

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:58 | 2947609 Jack Burton
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Jesus Christ! I bet those black dots cost us taxpayers a shitload of money! Isn't empire fun? Oh, I forgot, these are self defense bases.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 07:58 | 2948122 Half_A_Billion_...
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China starts the Tbill dump the minute jets start flying.  Dollar going to skydive bitches!

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 05:51 | 2948037 monkeyboy
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Really could do with moar black dots.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 10:56 | 2948488 OpenEyes
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I would love to see a map showing all of the Iranian military bases in countries bordering the US.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:38 | 2947368 lolmao500
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In other geopolitics news...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/world/middleeast/erdogan-says-talks-ar...

Turkish Leader Says He Plans a Trip to Gaza Soon

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey said on Friday that he planned to visit the Gaza Strip soon, a move that would significantly enhance the legitimacy of the Hamas-controlled Gaza government and antagonize the Palestinian Authority, Israel and the West.

Erdogan is pissed that NATO didn't attack Syria for him??

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:02 | 2947442 monkeyboy
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This is the REAL 9/11 !!!

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:53 | 2947602 The Gooch
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No.

It's 11/12.

Odd time signature.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 04:17 | 2947988 Rogue Trooper
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NOOOOOOO!

It will be 911 times 2356!

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 09:55 | 2948306 exi1ed0ne
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Not really.  Only 1.22ish times as much.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:04 | 2947453 GAAPpreNixon
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Correct. The proper conclusion to be drawn from any war game is that WAR IS NOT A GAME! 

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:09 | 2947470 LongBalls
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Brilliant. WAR IS NOT A GAME!!

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:20 | 2947501 Pink Floyd
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This "war game" neglects to account for the price of not stopping Iran as well.

If WWIII is imminent, it is not due to Israel attacking Iran's nuclear facilities. (Come on).

An Israel attack on the Iran can at most trigger the keg, not create it.

 

 

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 01:43 | 2947899 SWIFT 760
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SSDD. Typical zio-jew shifting blame onto the victim. 

Where's your proof Iran has nuke weapon grade material? 

Typical zio-jew to hijack and shit all over musical great such as Pink Floyd. 

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 04:22 | 2947993 Rogue Trooper
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Agree the report is BS... but based on the comments here I'm long TINFOIL!

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 06:36 | 2948050 Tompooz
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PF, why don't you change your avatar name to Lloyd Pink?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 07:45 | 2948097 flapdoodle
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You hit the nail on the head. This is strictly a propaganda piece, the best, best, best scenario.

 

A *real* war game simulation has dozens of different versions, "what if this", "what if that"

This is a chess game and the number of variations must be staggering...

Imagine for example, if during the crisis triggered by this attack the North Koreans shoot down a South Korean passenger plane, military aircraft, etc. Or China sinks a Japanese military ship in the South China sea near the disputed islands. Or Russian invades Georgia again. Or Iran (with a wink from Russia that will be the main beneficiary) goes directly to the end game and instead of launching hundreds of Shehab missiles against Israel, it launches hundreds of missiles agains Kharg Island and then sinks some tankers in the Strait of Hormuz...

I'm sure the Israelis have gamed those too, but there is no way they will show the results of those simulations...

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 07:47 | 2948115 LongSoupLine
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Years ago, they war gamed taking over the banking sector too. The gaming results were a great success...

 

 

How did that work out?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:38 | 2947371 pauhana
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What are the consequences of being wrong in this little game?  Rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock.  Oops, my bad.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:27 | 2947810 StychoKiller
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"Everyone's got a plan till they get punched in the face." -- M. Tyson, renowned philosopher and ear-biter.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:40 | 2947377 rhinoblitzing
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This report is BS - from the bottom up - no date, and all assumptions amateruish at best.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:14 | 2947486 nmewn
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"Anonymous sources say" comes to mind...lol. But whatever, it gives the jooo haters something rabble rouse and foam at the mouth about.

Incoming reddies in 3...2...1 ;-)

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:20 | 2947494 otto skorzeny
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the Jews that make up 1.7% of the US population yet control 45% of US wealth respect your right to go bust your ass at work this week for peanuts.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:27 | 2947520 Pink Floyd
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Let's suppose for a moment that you are right (and you are probably not): Then "THE Christians" control 55% of the wealth of the US, and therefore the Christians are to be blamed for whatsoever you want to.

Put another way: There are rich jews and there are poor ones. But, you see only those you envy.

I bet you that poor jews are critical of the growing inequality regardless of their faith.

 

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:35 | 2947547 otto skorzeny
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it's a fact-look it up. I was pointing out income equality of everyone else  making up 98.3% of the population fighting over the other 55% of the (shrinking) wealth. that's okay- large income equality always works out well for the small % that is "envied" by the rest-right? I mean-it worked out so well for the Jews in the 30s in Germany.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:41 | 2947572 nmewn
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Income inequality...now we're getting somewhere...the Red Banner.

Did they take it from you (meanng you had it before they took it) or were you just too lazy to go create it?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:51 | 2947593 Dr. Engali
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It's well within my rights as an American citizen to partially work three days a week and make as much as you. If I can't make as much I'll hire somebody to knock you down to my level.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:00 | 2947616 nmewn
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Hey Doc...dis is a really nice place you'ze got heeeah. Be a real shame if sumpin was to happen to it...lol.

Gawd...honestly, its like buzzrds lighting down on a fresh road kill...its always the same crew. This one guy can be found on any 911 thread promoting rust & aluminum dust from collapsed buildings as nano-thermite...very scientific.

It really gets old...but I like to tease every once in a while...so I guess I deserve the reds.

Ike Turner!!!...who knew ;-)

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:08 | 2947625 Dr. Engali
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A little red arrow is good for the blood. It helps to keep it real. I do have to say I'm a little surprised at the amount of Jewish hatred around here lately. It's one thing to call bullshit on the pre-emptive war, but it's quite another to blame all the world's problems on them. As if the rest of the world has no role when it comes to taking responsability for how screwed up we are.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:18 | 2947656 nmewn
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I think we both realize we are students of history.

Whatever traits "Jews" might have, we can't allow, as Christians or atheists, for the bullshit to spread. Then it will be gypsies, bohemians, homosexuals, Polacks, nipple piercers...lol...then us. 

Its repetitive but bears repeating.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:59 | 2947851 knukles
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Jews or not, I'm settin' up to vote Democratic, and work no days a week and get my ass a piss load of money for it.
Never see me sent to the KZ lagger camp.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:36 | 2947556 nmewn
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You've got a little spittle...right there in the corner of your mouth...yep, got it ;-)

So, ummm, is Buffet a Jew, Gates? And what is a Jew? Is it someone (like a Scientologist) who uses a religion as leverage to gain access to another groups power and percieved prestige?

There is a lot of people who "became Jews" just cuz it was the cool and expedient thing for them to do. Does anyone really think Connie Chung, Elizabeth Taylor or Ike Turner holds more sway than say a Mort Zuckerman?

Pondering imponderables.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 04:27 | 2947994 Rogue Trooper
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You are making way too much sense for the TINFOILS... To get more red arrows use JOO not JEW it's easier for em :)

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 05:45 | 2948030 CompassionateFascist
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Connie Chung is married to a Jew. Liz Tayor converted to Judaism. And Ike's a stupid Congoid. 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:56 | 2947606 LasVegasDave
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otto

you are simply too stupid to realize that the reason is because they are more intelligent and work harder and smarter than shitrags like you.

And with all the advantages you started with.....

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 05:47 | 2948032 CompassionateFascist
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Kosher Mafia rules in Vegas. Jews fleecing the Goyim sheep. 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:28 | 2947528 ArrestBobRubin
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Whoop whoop whoop... Jew's monkey alert... this is no drill... whoop whoop whoop

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:37 | 2947558 nmewn
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Here's a banana...enjoy ;-)

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:59 | 2947611 Stuck on Zero
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I agree Rhino.  This report is a bad joke. Not even Rand could come up with something this poorly put together.  Maybe a few high school kids pulling a prank.

 

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:40 | 2947379 Yen Cross
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 I wonder what the "Strait of Hormuz" on Fire, will look like from the ISS?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 05:49 | 2948035 CompassionateFascist
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You got it. W/in 6 hours of the first Isramerican airstrike on Irna, Iran will close the straits. Kiss the dollar goodbye, and good riddance. 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:42 | 2947383 buzzsaw99
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Go for it dudes!

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:43 | 2947389 Uber Vandal
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After midnight on November 9.......

Wow... 9 November..

Or

9-11

Who would have thought?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:48 | 2947404 lolmao500
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Wouldn't surprise me if they actually bombed Iran on that date... just for the lulz.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:12 | 2947478 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The story goes that at 5am on Wednesday 9 November 1966, McCartney stormed out of a session for the Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album, got in to his Austin Healey car, and subsequently crashed and died.

 

http://www.beatlesbible.com/features/paul-is-dead/

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:45 | 2947393 Bicycle Repairman
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This is a hoax, right?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:55 | 2947428 Matt
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Then I pranked him, to death!

http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaft1UI.html

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:59 | 2947437 icanhasbailout
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This is war propaganda.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:45 | 2947397 Newsboy
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Yeah, the Israeli people will hang-tough, because there is really "no choice", but to make war upon Iran for even getting close to the ability of developing a nuclear deterrent.

They aren't making a deterrent, but the threat of Israel not having regional carte-blance is intolerable, and clearly necessitates some tolerable loss of Israeli lives, in order to maintain precious regional hegemony.

Surely you understand...

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:52 | 2947420 Matt
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Maybe the leaders have looked at the demographics and determined that some casualties are needed to prevent over-population and the development of slums.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:51 | 2947417 Jason T
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the isrealis must be long oil again.. 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:12 | 2947477 LongBalls
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You probably know this but it's worth mentioning. It's not the Isrealis it's the Zionists lunitics and thier Euorpean and American bankster overlords.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 06:28 | 2948059 Tompooz
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It is the Israelis who vote for their Likudist leaders. That's the problem with democracy: every voter carries personal responsibility. You can't hide behind  "overlords", when you empower them.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:59 | 2947423 Zero Govt
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"It is therefore critical to continue to examine the potential ramifications of an attack."

Aha. Try this.

It is illegal under international Law to attack another sovereign nation without evidence you are defending your nation from a m aterial threat/attack. This Law may have been lost on America and Britain who have both broken the Law twice attacking both Afghanistan and Iraq with zero threat from Saddam Hussain (he may be a bit mad but even he knows he can't hit the US or UK with his missiles)

This international Law was laid down by Britain and America after the Nurmeberg Trials post WWII.

Reason being a rather nasty brat called Adolf Hitler. Isreal will know this character. He attacked neighbouring countries without any sound reason to do so.

It would be somewhat hypocritical for Isreal to transgress Laws determined to stop Hitler-type irrational violence (no good reason). You wouldn't want to look like Britain and the US breaking Laws you yourself set down to prevent little Hitlers of the future rampaging like deranged reasonless thugs across the globe

You need a good reason to attack. Them having a nuclear program is not one. Suspecting they are making nuclear weapons is not one, as the morons of intel, Britain and America, has proved with zero-WMD Iraq. 

In addition Iran has not threatened you with war. So you are not defending yourself just as Hussain never threatened Britian or the US and had no right under international Laws they made to stop deranged tyrants, er, like the British and US Govts

Stand down Isreal ...put your water pistols away. You've made such a mess of Palestine for 80 years you don't want to pretend you can resolve any issues until you've fixed that ongoing problem. 

You don't want to be seen being aggressive amongst your Arab neighbours. Leave that to the delusional, zero-intelligence, lots of paranoid suspicions that turn out to be false deranged fantasy, illegal warring criminals under international Law, the British and American thug Govts.

Two total twats on our planet are quite enough for now thanks.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:02 | 2947438 jamezelle
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Don't forget the attack on Libya.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:22 | 2947506 nmewn
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We have highly placed, government officials ON THE RECORD saying that was the result of a YouTube video.

The author of which, of course, was promptly arrested by said officials...so we're all good to go here, nothing to see, move along.

A little intimidation, a little dance, freedoms head on lance.

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:51 | 2947597 Zero Govt
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did we 'attack' Libya?

I think this was done under the 'deniable ops' banner.. namely our secret service thugs going in and arming and supporting an uprising or civil war that suits our interests (not that Joe Public has givent their consent to such foreign policy nor know what the hell our best interests are strring up shit in other countries)

Deniable Ops is a well worn path of Western Govts global terrorism (ie. a thug with no democratic mandate), assasinating people we don't like (not that murder has any democratic legitimacy without a fair trial) and where they can deny folllwing foreign policies that have no public supprt (because the public generally don't like violent sickos in Govt, funny that!)

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:02 | 2947612 jamezelle
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Sorry, I was refering to the war on Libya in 2011, not the latest Bengazi attack.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:23 | 2947670 nmewn
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I could have sworn you had a different avatar a moment ago.

Ahhh well, prolly just me ;-)

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:02 | 2947620 Jack Burton
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What about bombing the piss out of Serbia? Was that legal, or was blowing up commuter trains and hospitals NATO's way of playing a prank?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:31 | 2947690 Dr. Engali
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Can't have a hospital blocking the way of a pipe line can we?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:37 | 2947705 Matt
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I would love for someone to explain to me the strategic importance of blowing up Baghdad's sewage treatment facilities. Did making children drink and bathe in contaminated water save a great deal of American lives somehow?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 01:04 | 2947860 knukles
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Yes, and your next question as you're taken for your beating?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:01 | 2947440 icanhasbailout
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The whole first world is beyond corrupted. Rules only matter if someone can force you to obey them. If not, then there's - how shall we say this - "no controlling legal authority".

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:35 | 2947818 StychoKiller
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Ever read "Lord of the Flies"?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:02 | 2947445 Matt
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So, what court do you go to for this international law, and who picks the judge?

"It is illegal under international Law to attack another sovereign nation without evidence you are defending your nation from a material threat/attack"

They see Iran getting to the "Red Line" on atomic bomb development as a material threat. So, who has the authority to pre-empatively try this case, make and enforce a ruling?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:02 | 2947447 john39
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the problem is that the israelis are 'fixing' palestine by wiping it off the map while most of the world shamefully looks away.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:33 | 2947544 Pink Floyd
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Actually, Iran did attack Israel through its proxies in Leabanon, AND threaten Israel with anihilation with its new weaponary.

The position that Israel can't afford Iran attack first (or convincingly revoke its threats) is understandable.

 

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 01:07 | 2947863 msamour
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Could you cite me the exact textual/verbal statement to that effect. There are still no proof that anyone in Iran has said any of what you claim. There have been many corrupted translators though.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:54 | 2947425 cjbosk
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Go for it Ben, I'd do the same. Iran has overstayed their welcome.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:34 | 2947476 Zero Govt
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Iran has done precisely fuck all you violent ignorant moron

Isreal has nuclear plants. What's the problem with Iran having them, think Isreal are more reasonable than Iran (80 years of un-resolved Palestinian conflict and counting)

Isreal already has WMD. Iran does not. The intel on Iran having a WMD program is pure speculation and hyperventilation. I've never heard such fluffy bollocks, it's weaker than the false accusations of Iraqi WMD.

Meanwhile Iran, which let me remind has done zero, suffers constant bullying by the West and EU of economic sanctions, bwankers taking their SWIFT system away and intimidation around their waters.

This from the 2 most deranged and murderous thugs on the planet, the US and British Govts, both war criminls under international Law for attacking sovereign countries under false pretences.

No people in the West has any beef with the Iranian people. This is pure deranged reasonless political policy (remember Hitler?) with no public support or any threat from Iran to our nations, no legality and no good reason for the taxpayer to fund the extortinate war bills for zero economic gain.

We need to lock up the sick fuckers driving US and British Govt policy into ever more deranged, futile and expensive thuggery around the globe and throw away the key 

Peoples representatives my arse ...they represent nobody in any country ...global sick scum that need an asylum not hiding in the sewers of Govt

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:39 | 2947564 Pink Floyd
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Zero govt: you are misguided or lying.

While the US and Brit gov have their issues, they are certainly not the most murderous on the planet.

It is a fact that Iran willingly signed the NPT, have been enjoying its benefits, but fails to abide by it.

Israel did not joint the NPT, reportedly had nuclear capability before the NPT even existed, does not enjoy the benefits of the NPT, and therefore does not need to abide by it.

 

Finally, Iran already attacked Israel without any provocation.

Iran did threaten Israel with annihilation.

Do you seriously suggest that Israel just needs to wait for Iran to develop nuclear capability?

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:18 | 2947652 dark pools of soros
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does it really matter if Israel gets blown off the planet?  They'll just cry and swindle for another country to be handed to them again

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:40 | 2947658 Zero Govt
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Isreal has WMD  .....Iran has no WMD

Piss-poor of Iran to threaten Isreal with annihilation considering they're out-gunned. Isreal has stacks of hi-tek Western military equipment, bombers and fighters and of course, WMD

Did Isreal take the threat seriously or just jibbering babble?

If Isreal could sort out its 80 year misery with Palestine, stop bullying and occupying their lands stirring up Arab resentment for no good reason (ie. get your boots out of another country, be a good neighbour) and ramp down the Isreali foreign policy errors of sounding like a bunch of arrogant thugs with fat mouths and even fatter egos I'd be alot happier with Isreals WMD

We know everyone likes to look 'hard' and 'tough' but George Bush always came across as a bit of a tosser with his tough-guy walk. Dunno what your Govts PR agency are telling you how the talk tough PR is getting across but be nice to see some calm and peaceable comments more often rather than pissing your pants at every threat, imagined or real

Wether Isreal has not joined NPT or Iran has joined NPT is irrelevant. Britain and the US are signed up to international Laws on not invading other sovereign nations to stop little Hitlers arising but hasn't stopped their deranged warmongering ways

That's piss all over international criminal Law (war crimes). What's Iran done again, not comply with a few lines in NPT ? ...how terrible is that!

Again you're speculating Iran wants to build WMD. I've not seen any evidence. If Isreal (and the US and UK) could ramp down the bully-boy tactics in the area and intimidation (economic sanctions) and calm the entire region down, it would help if Isreal resolved a major irritant like Palestine, maybe you could all get along over there, instead of this climbing irrational exuberence into a violent no-mans-land

We need to get along, even if it is at a respectful distance, show we're not violent thugs with irrational urges but adults capable of resolving our differences, not having to compromise because if you really set your mind to it you can come up with some very creative Win-Win solutions all around the table... try it, beats fighting and knocking chunks out of each other

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:19 | 2947788 Cathartes Aura
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"While the US and Brit gov have their issues, they are certainly not the most murderous on the planet."

In 1979, depleted uranium (DU) particles escaped from the National Lead Industries factory near Albany, N.Y.,which was manufacturing DU weapons for the U.S military. The particles traveled 26 miles and were discovered in a laboratory filter by Dr. Leonard Dietz, a nuclear physicist. This discovery led to a shut down of the factory in 1980, for releasing morethan 0.85 pounds of DU dust into the atmosphere every month, and involved a cleanup of contaminated properties costing over 100 million dollars.

Imagine a far worse scenario. Terrorists acquire a million pounds of the deadly dust and scatter it in populated areas throughout the U.S. Hundreds of children report symptoms. Many acquire cancer and leukemia, suffering an early and painful death. Huge increases in severe birth defects are reported. Oncologists are overwhelmed. Soccer fields, sand lots and parks, traditional play areas for kids, are no longer safe. People lose their most basic freedom, the ability to go outside and safely breathe. Sounds worse than 9/11? Welcome to Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/depleted-uranium-far-worse-than-9-11/2374

The latest study found that in Fallujah, more than half of all babies surveyed were born with a birth defect between 2007 and 2010. Before the siege, this figure was more like one in 10. Prior to the turn of the millennium, fewer than 2 per cent of babies were born with a defect. More than 45 per cent of all pregnancies surveyed ended in miscarriage in the two years after 2004, up from only 10 per cent before the bombing. Between 2007 and 2010, one in six of all pregnancies ended in miscarriage.

http://www.thedailybell.com/28161/Toll-of-War-Deformities-Is-Heavy-Price...

For almost two decades the official word from the Veterans Administration, the Defense Department, and the White House was that Gulf War Syndrome did not exist. Our country’s vets affected by multiple and diverse debilitating symptoms from Gulf War syndrome struggled for many years to have their health problems recognized as something other than psychological. This struggle has led to bitter debate and fierce wrangling over funding for the care of sick veterans. In the meantime, tens of thousands died from these conditions. Many lost their homes because of the high costs to pay for medical care themselves. Independent investigations, including those conducted by many of the Gulf War veterans themselves, showed multiple causes behind Gulf War Syndrome, including experimental vaccines, exposure to depleted uranium (DU), and toxicity from biological and chemical weapons, oil fires and other environmental contaminants.

http://www.vaccineinitiative.org/?p=332

Israel's population is facing a dire threat: a drastic depopulation, from the use of weapons that leave behind Depleted Uranium (DU). Depleted Uranium leads to the word Omnicidal, as DU kills everything in the food chain, everywhere the wind blows. Experts say the dramatic drop in Israel's sperm count could eliminate their ability to reproduce.

Research by an Israeli doctor shows a significant drop in sperm count level and sperm motility among young Israeli soldiers in recent years. Sperm motility is the ability of sperm to move properly toward an egg.

It is attributed to the inhalation of DU aerosolized nano-particles; the dirty results of extra powerful weapons used by Israel and the U.S.

http://warisacrime.org/node/51543

 

obviously, I could go on. . .

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 02:29 | 2947937 -1horse
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keen eye, cat art . . . reading sign, along the terrible trail of tears they leave behind . . .

appreciate the post

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:14 | 2947645 Matt
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"Iran has done precisely fuck all you violent ignorant moron"

They had a missle assembly facility in Sudan. They are supplying terrorists. At what point would you consider they are doing something?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:18 | 2947655 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Yeah, Israel doesn't have any missile factories and they never bombed any British hotels or anything like that.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:30 | 2947687 john39
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Or any American ships in international waters (Liberty)... And there is that 911 thing that has Israel's fingerprints all over it.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:44 | 2947722 Matt
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Did I say "Israel did nothing"? Why is reading comprehension so poor on this site? 

Iran has and is doing things to provoke attacks. They most certainly are not "doing nothing".

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:26 | 2947796 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The people with no nukes and no explicit super power support are picking a fight with Israel which possesses hundreds of nukes and receives billions in US military aid annually? Reminds me of the nerd who attacked the football team one day in the high school locker room.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:34 | 2947699 Totentänzerlied
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America has more missile factories than any other country as far as I know, perhaps Russia or China have nearly as many, I don't know.

America is known to support and supply (and create and run) various terrorist organizations around the world and its nearly certain China and Russia and many others do the same on a fairly regular basis, including Israel.

Israel is not threatening any of these nations.

So, clearly these are not the criteria for the Israeli leadership's target selection. Incidentally, based on these criteria, Iran should be preparing a strike on Israel.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 03:02 | 2947952 RichardP
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... based on these criteria, Iran should be preparing a strike on Israel.

It is.  A pre-emptive strike.  Iran has admitted this.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 07:49 | 2947761 Zero Govt
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Matt  -  Iran had (past tence yes?) a missle assembly in Sudan. Aha, so what mate? 

Wanna go through a roll call of US, British and Isreali assembly lines? How about Pro-West Saudi having assembly lines all over the globe (mainly in the West)? Who is anbody to throw stones in glasshouses around here, mindless tit-for-tat hypocracy

" They are supplying terrorists". Notice anything in Libya recently? Sudan is being stirred up yes? The US are even supplying Al Quada in the region for fucks sake 

"At what point would you consider they are doing something?"

I'd draw the line in the sand when Iran tries to land in excess of 20,000 troops in the Dallas Cowboys football stadium or drops anything more than 1 parachute regiment in Hyde Park, London

If we're not defending our country we're not protecting our people and therefore have no public mandate meddling in any other countries business.

Notice your Govts name is "Defence" as is Britains Ministry of "Defence". That's underlined by international Law. The sick fucks hiding in both ministries need to be flushed out or have their deranged violent minds seen to by Doctors

the public are getting sick to the back teeth with this Middle East bollocks and the deranged and mighty expensive Western bully-boy foreign policy. It has no history of policy success anywhere or anytime ..it's a bloody shambles everywhere we go

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 19:27 | 2950206 Matt
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From the perspective of Israel, what criteria do you think they should apply before they consider Iran to be material threat?

Nowhere did I in any way claim that America or Israel or anyone else is "innocent"; I simply disagreed with the statement that "Iran has done precisely fuck all".

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:05 | 2947763 icanhasbailout
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This is after we assassinated multiple scientists, inflicted STUXNET on them, deliberately blew up their economy, flew military drones into their airspace and supply our own terrorists (MEK) to attack Iran all the while. Mind you, this is par for the course on how we've treated Iran since WW2.

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:13 | 2947480 ArrestBobRubin
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Whoop whoop whoop... Jew's monkey alert... this is no drill... whoop whoop whoop

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 21:58 | 2947436 booboo
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Hope they didn't rely on the same clowns that worked out the math on MBS and CDS cause I don't think the head yid over at the Federal Reserve has a lead lined vault large enough to contain the fallout if they are off by 3% on this one.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:04 | 2947452 Jack Burton
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+10, Perhaps the boys at Goldman Sachs ran this scenario! Looking to be bailed out by Washington when the plan all goes to hell.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:01 | 2947439 Jack Burton
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I agree that this scenario is dubious at best, and an invitation to a war crime at it's worst.

I doubt that the first strike will be as successful as Israel seems to take for granted in it's scenario. I also doubt Israel will attack without prior approval of Washington and the Pentagon. The Pentagon in particular will want to see the Strike Package Israel intends to deliver and assess it's chances of success.

Iran is a bit of a wild card, we do not know the reaction to a strike on their nuclear program. I seriously doubt Iran wants anything to do with the full ight of the US Naval and Air Forces waging an air campaign against them. They know it will start with the air defenses, then the nuclear sites, then the military in general and if this does not promote surrender, then they will attack civilian target. See the NATO war on Serbia for how this works.

Israel can not stand to live with any nation that is large, like Iran, that is independent, fairly modern and with good economic potential. For greater Israel to grow and expand and be the one military power in the region, Iran must be taken down. The nuclear program is an excuse to do what they have always wanted to do.

In the end, this all depends on the USA, Israel is a non entity, and a non viable state, only the USA can maintain Israel as a viable state and the greatest military power in the region. Our Tax money is why Israel exists. Take that money away for even a year and Israel blows away in the next sand storm. Whether you love them or hate them, Israel is a dependent of the US taxpayer.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 03:06 | 2947954 RichardP
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What percent of Israel's total budget is U.S. aid?

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:05 | 2947449 Dr. Engali
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"Israel officially announces it has attacked Iran’s nuclear sites because it had no other choice"

 

How in the world can they suggest that with a straight face? No other choice my ass!...There is always a choice.It seems to me that Iran is contained with a ring of U.S bases around their country right now, not to mention a gulf full of carriers ready to strike at a moments notice. These people reallly push the limits when it comes to testing the stupidity of the people. Unfortunately the sheeple are proving that they are dumbed down and as out of touch as TPTB believe them to be. I hear more and more people buying it hook line and sinker.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:47 | 2947587 Pink Floyd
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If you lived near a nuclear capable Iran you may see things differently.

How exactly this containment would stop Iran from firing nuclear armed missiles and aiming them at Tel-Aviv?

 

Mind you that the Arab states in golf are as worried as Israel. Maybe they know something you don't.

 

Iran did threaten Israel with annihilation multiple times.They did refer to their weaponry (nuke?). I

Iran does fail to abide by the NPT which it did sign willingly and benefit from.

Any wonder why Iran's neighbors are worried?

 

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:54 | 2947604 Dr. Engali
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How many nukes does Israel have?I'm pretty sure if Iran did launch their single nuke (that they don't have) then Israel would turn Iran into a sheet of glass.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:17 | 2947646 Matt
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Have you taken into consideration that you are talking about two theocratic states, ran by and for religious fanatics? They may not think the same way as the soviets did.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:28 | 2947679 Dr. Engali
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That's what we are led to  believe anyway. Let me ask you this...why is it that none of the suicide bombers are from people in leadership?  They no more want to die than the rest of us. Iran is not going to nuke Israel for that very reason.....they would be vaporized and Israel would still be standing.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 08:29 | 2948130 Zero Govt
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Hey Matt, Iran may well be run by "religous fanatics" but dozens of countries (China, Italy, India etc) manage to conduct business with these "loons" in a peaceable fashion. 

Why can't Isreal, Britain and the US manage it, maybe we have some pea-brained loons on our side eh?

Our politicians seem to have no diplomatic skills, no negotiation skills and no peaceable way forward skills (unlike other countries). Time to throw out our current teams of failed miserably politicians and get in a new lot, rather than always blame Iran for being the wrong party. You agree?

Politicians are shit at everything, our foreign policies are a shambles everywhere we go. Just look at Isreal in Palestine my friend. 80 years of miserable failure. Could be the Isreali foreign office are truly shit at resolving issues, that ever crossed your mind?

Here's my advise to the Isreali Retarded & Mentally Infirmed Olympic Squad (or Foreign Office for short). Next time you see a real or imagined threat, try to wind down the arrogant twat tough-guy negotiation stance.

Like your last foreign office press release which went something like, "We take all threats seriously to our nation and will retaliate will full thug force to any nasty business.." How about show a bit of skill, a bit of negotiation nouse and drop in the line right at the end of the thug routine, "..but we'd like to get round the table as we think we can do some business here."

See the difference that makes Einstein?

One is a dumb thug routine slamming the door leaving no room for the other party to have a chat (real stupid with bells on). The 2nd shows negotiation skills, brains, a bit of potential benefit for the other party (intelligent). It leaves a door open (skill), not shut (dumb), for the other party (remember them?).

It leaves room for a peaceable mutually beneficial way forward, rather than a moronic twat who couldn't negotiate his way out a wet paper bag (or Palestine)

If we can't do some business with Iran, like dozens of other countries manage, maybe it's time for a change and kick out our skill-less, stupid, failed miserably negotiation teams and bring in fresh talent with skills

to find a better way forward than this mindless sick strategy we're following right now ..other countries manage it. It takes two to tango, maybe our boys just can't dance 

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 08:41 | 2948162 Ghordius
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"Our politicians seem to have no diplomatic skills, no negotiation skills and no peaceable way forward skills..."

Because war is a business. Every war is a profitable business, be it war on poverty, war on drugs, war for oil, war for pipelines, war for influence, etc. etc.

If you want to be a serious pacifist you have to realize first that "Peace on Earth" would make many, many people without sustenance, for a while. And angry at you.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 11:35 | 2948557 Zero Govt
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Ghordius  -  war has indeed got a business behind it, but it's time people started asking is it providing any value for money of their politicians. When you can obliterate a medium sized country 22 times over Govt should explain to taxpayers why this type of grotesque over-spending makes any sense

I'm not a "pacifist" ..you can't always resolve a situation if you're dealing with a violent twat with insane ambition for expansion of his empire (Hitler etc). I'm all for shooting thugs

But at least recognise war/violence is the extreme end of dispute resolution, a very un-natural behaviour, and nobody will win. So avoid at all costs until you've no other option. It's the final button to push, not as the US and Britain is doing the first knee-jerk response

Napolian was a great warmonger, even he recognised force achieves nothing... Isreal in Palestine, Britain in Northern ireland, America in Vietnam ...all failures.

WWI and WWII mindless fucking genocides, the peaceable peoples of Europe had no beef with each other, it was deranged very sick politicians. Next time 2 sets of human scum want a fight, do it yourself and go have a cage fight, don't drag people or nations you do not represent into it

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 19:36 | 2950237 Matt
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"It takes two to tango, maybe our boys just can't dance"

As I said: TWO theocratic states that think differently. As in Israel AND Iran.

Since Britain, America, et al are allied with Israel, they are by default hostile to Iran, because to be otherwise would appear to be non-supportive.

Like the war games showed, maybe China will have to be the mediator, as long as they can somehow appear to be not allied with Iran.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:33 | 2947696 mercenaryomics
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Israel has 300 nukes, most of them on subs out hiding waiting for a go order to preempt the next Holocaust with one of their own.  Iran isn't that foolish. 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:41 | 2947713 Totentänzerlied
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MSM people say shit like that all the f'ing time: absurd claim with absolutely no justification offered. If said with a straight enough face, what is said does not actually matter. That is, no one cares enough to do anything about it, and most don't even notice, and many agree.

I'd say non-reason reasons are the rule rather than the exception. Think "we have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" - the new version of "I'd rather fight communism abroad than have to fight it at home". Human credulity is infinite.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:06 | 2947458 PenGun
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 They will attack Dimona a lot. The Gazans have been targetting it already and some will get through.

Jerusalem is less than 50 miles away, north west of Dimona.

 Dimona is where Israel's nuculear weapons were developed and it houses a breeder reactor to supply plutoniam for their weapons.

 As Hamlet says: "I am but mad north-north-west. When the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw."

 

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:07 | 2947461 Graebeard_van_Oz
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Long time fan of ZH but first post. Well I know the rules well enough, so I’ll lead with this

 

“More than 120 major Jewish leaders, decision makers and prominent academics to take part in in-depth discussions on strategic issues affecting future of Jewish people, State of Israel

The conference is organized by the Jewish People Policy Institute”

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4296104,00.html

 

and blah blah, but who is JPPI and what will they really be discussing? Check this out, bolding is mine

 

“Uncertain Realities:

The Geopolitical Landscape

Avi Gil1

© JPPI , 2012

 

The shockwaves that have rocked the Arab world over the past two years –

compounded by the Iranian threat and turbulence in the international system – pose

significant risks and challenges for Israel and the Jewish people…

 

The gradual shift of the global economic center of gravity from West to

East presents Israel and the Jewish people with a challenge: How to strengthen ties

with peoples who have developmental momentum but lack – for better or worse

– any real familiarity with the Jewish people, and to do so without damaging the

essential anchor that relations with the United States represent…

 

The Israel-Palestinian Conflict Complex: The stalemate continues to pose a threat

to Israel's security and (over time) its Jewish-democratic character, which in turn

provides fuel to de-legitimization efforts against it in the international arena…

 

The Triangular Relationship of Jerusalem-Washington-American Jewry Complex:

This constitutes a critical strategic asset for the Jewish people, which was exercised in the last year mainly in preventing moves by the U.S. administration vis-à-vis the

Israeli-Palestinian conflict that were in contradiction with the Israeli governement’s

policies. In employing such assets, every effort should be made to avoid making Israel

a partisan issue in internal American politics. This complex now faces a concrete

and decisive test over the question of how to deal with the Iranian nuclear threat…

 

These complexes are, of course, intertwined and interdependent. Many of the

trends within them are not amenable to intervention by Israel and the Jewish

people, though in a limited number of cases, the policy taken could have significant

impact. The year ahead could bring a maturation of significant processes that will

require unequivocal decisions with potentially critical implications for the fate of

Israel and the Jewish people…

 

Could the current strategic reality benefit from a rapid and creative Israeli response, particularly with respect to Egypt and Turkey? Could the current strategic reality benefit from a rapid and creative Israeli response, particularly with respect to Egypt and Turkey?...

 

The fruition of some of the challenges outlined above will likely accelerate the de-legitimization trend and generate new dilemmas for Israel. This is something that Israel and the Jewish people need to take into account…”

 

http://jppi.org.il/uploads/Uncertain_Realities_The_Geopolitical_Landscape.pdf

 

Not shy are they

 

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:51 | 2947599 Pink Floyd
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I got bored midway of your lengthy quoted agenda.

Rename "jew" by any other community/ethnic/religion group, and you will get the agenda of other conferences (approx).

 

Google about Muslims, Christian, etc etc conferences.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:47 | 2947730 Totentänzerlied
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But what are their population to billionaire, pop. to neocon, and pop. to warmonger ratios?

I don't see too many Muslims - or any other enemies of the tribe - in the US Congress, mainstream media, or mostly anywhere else in American public life...

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:40 | 2947828 Radical Marijuana
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The greatest leverage comes from funding politicians! The feedback loops from successfully funding the political processes to get what those funding that wanted far exceed all other inputs, especially after they start to significantly feedback to enable ever more successful influence to make that ever more successful. It also is significant to what degree those who are funding politicians can coordinate and overlap to get what they want, through the mass media, etc., and through prolonged campaigns ... so much so that eventually the major financial donors practically control what finally happens! Therefore, it is not surprising to do a content analysis of who pays for politics in America, and the proportional results and reinforcing benefits that have followed from that!

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:09 | 2947471 ArrestBobRubin
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Sure, I'll buy that. I mean, when have the Jews who run Israel ever lied? At any time, about anything? NEVER.

They are the paradigm of honesty, integrity, virtue, fairness, and love for non-Jews, the world over.

Commence the attack I say!

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:13 | 2947481 A Lunatic
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I'll bring the fucking hotdogs........

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:40 | 2947567 bunnyswanson
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http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=2278951970628&set=o.103396813083042&type=1&theater

 

Hopefully, you can see this face book photo - 1/2 million Israeli citizens march against war and Zionism.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:49 | 2947733 Totentänzerlied
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Kosher, please.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:16 | 2947483 otto skorzeny
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"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"-M.Tyson. $6 a gallon gas should really help the US climb out of a recession we never exited. "Would you like to charge that $180 fill-up on your Suburban, Mrs. Soccer Mom? Sorry-the card is being declined". The Zionist Mittens and Bronco Bamma will go along with the hebes as soon the "winner" is given the all clear by The Electoral College.

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:22 | 2947500 rhinoblitzing
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Regime change - away from Mr. Imagonnagetabomb and the current fanatical, terrorist backing, head hacking, nation wiping threatening - Is the only way out I see, without mushroom clouds. We missed an opportunity in 2009.

Sanctions are great for (pussies and)  keeping the status quo, organized crime-black market, and keeping the masses miserable. Why the Iranian people put up with this shit is beyond me.

Was the Shah (or Mubarack) that bad - compared to going back to the dark ages?

 

 

 

Sun, 11/04/2012 - 22:42 | 2947573 Terminus C
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You are a fucking moron...

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