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Via Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

Just over 400-years ago today, a group of 13 conspirators was caught trying to assassinate King James I of England and blow up the House of Lords in what became known as the Gunpowder Treason.

If you’ve ever seen the movie V for Vendetta, you know the story. Guy Fawkes was found underneath the House of Lords with three dozen barrels of gunpowder… and to this day, his effigy is still burned annually in commemoration of the event.

Fundamentally, the Gunpowder Treason was about freedom. The English monarchy at the time was controlling nearly every aspect of the economy and their subjects’ lives– from what they could wear to how they could worship.

“Sumptuary laws” which regulated private behavior were commonplace. Elizabeth I, for example, re-introduced a beard tax on all facial hair grown in excess of two weeks. She also published long lists, categorized by social class, dictating precisely what color and type of garment her subjects were required to wear.

It turns out these sumptuary laws were just an early form of state-sponsored corporate welfare; the English textile industry had paid Elizabeth huge sums of money in exchange for royal decrees about knitted caps and woollen socks.

As a consequence, a great deal of English labor and disposable income was mis-allocated towards silly garments instead of being put to more productive uses… and the country was in an almost perpetual state of stagnation.

Not to mention, English finances deteriorated under Elizabeth. By 1600, state expenditures were 23% greater than tax revenue, which would be the equivalent of a $550 billion budget deficit in the US today. Not exactly a trivial figure.

James I, Elizabeth’s successor, continued to spend extravagantly and in-debt the English economy, often showering taxpayer funds on a handful of favored nobles.

By the time James’s successor Charles I came to power, the monarchy’s credit was running so thin that Charles had to force people to loan him money; those who refused were imprisoned and had their property confiscated.

Unsurprisingly, civil war broke out in 1642. Charles I was executed in 1649, and the genocidal dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell dominated England for the next decade.

When you think about it, this collapse was inevitable. For decades prior, the entire English economy was under the control of a single individual who massively indebted the state, impeded growth, and reduced people’s individual freedoms. Not exactly a recipe for long-term success.

The Gunpowder Treason of November 5, 1605 may have been a failure for the conspirators, but given enough time, a system so screwed up, so unsustainable, was destined to collapse on itself.

Curiously, we’re not so different in the west today. We have our own sumptuary laws, regulating everything from tobacco consumption to what foods we can/cannot eat. We have our own state-sponsored corporate welfare. We’re comically indebted.

And just like the English monarchs, we have a tiny elite that controls absolutely everything about our economy– taxation, regulation, and the supply of money.

Needless to say, this is also unsustainable. And history shows that these types of unsustainable systems will always collapse under their own weight. We’re not so different...


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Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:30 | 2950376 lolmao500
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If the military would do it's damn job and arrest the traitors in Washington DC, Wall Street and on TV, things could go in the right direction...

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:32 | 2950381 Zer0head
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(just in case gathering behind our leader during the hurricane wasn't enough)

Russian nuclear attack sub detected in Atlantic; Near East Coast...

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:34 | 2950390 Tegrat
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Election help from the commies to the commie. Not going to stop anyone from voting...


Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:36 | 2950398 Zer0head
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the link is now broken here is some of the text and I agree it actually might be the opposite of the hurricane


A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine cruised within 200 miles of the East Coast recently in the latest sign Russia is continuing to flex its naval and aerial power against the United States, defense officials said.

The submarine was identified by its NATO designation as a Russian Seirra-2 class submarine believed to be based with Russia’s Northern Fleet. It was the first time that class of Russian submarine had been detected near a U.S. coast, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of anti-submarine warfare efforts.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:41 | 2950459 Muppet of the U...
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& here's the resistance! A quality force of intelligent strategists...

In a sense, this is life, exemplified. In fact, when I watch people lose money trading... its exactly like this.


-I peed myself laughing.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 23:57 | 2950862 Deo vindice
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Unbelievable. The one place I never expected to see a piece of historical revisionism was on ZH.

You need to read your history. The gunpowder plot was an effort by the agents of Rome trying to bring England back under papal rule.

They got caught. And executed for treason.

Exactly what should happen to treasonable acts committed against a nation's constitution. (Even when - or especially when - those acts are committed by those in authority in the country)

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 02:53 | 2951084 Wraithlord
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Right you are. People shouldn't apply the freedom spin to just about everything. That's an abuse of the popularity of the notion of freedom.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 05:29 | 2951146 BigJim
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James the first was a tyrant. His government had no kind of moral legitimacy whatsoever (unless you're a believer in Hobbesian rhetoric) and neither did his parliament.

Of course... if Catesby and crew had succeeded, their new government might have been no better.

To descibe what they tried to do as 'treason', though, is laughable. No one owes loyalty to evil, and the English monarchy (along with every other autocratic tyranny) was almost always exactly that - a bunch of 'big-picture' mafiosi, always ready to sacrifice the lives of 'their' citizens in some foreign landgrab, spending vast amounts of wealth on finery while their people starved.

When I think of these assholes it almost makes me want to believe in God... that the wicked really are punished in the afterlife for their crimes here on Earth.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 13:07 | 2952148 dadichris
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good catch

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 23:53 | 2950848 Oh-Globits
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I wouldn't worry...they're only here to monitor the elections

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:34 | 2951540 aerojet
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Such a non-story. What was it even mentioned for? The Russians have exactly one working attack sub. An attack submarine is not the same thing as a ballistic missile boat aka "Boomer" which has a first-strike capability.  Why would the Russians want to start something with the US right now, anyways?  It's all bs.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:38 | 2950403 ebworthen
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The Supine Court and the Justice Department and all other "law enforcement" have so far allowed the rape of the Constitution and the death of the rule of law for the common citizen. 

If the military falls in line rather than restoring the Constitution we may as well start flying the red/white/blue swastika.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:10 | 2950477 john39
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The military has served as the corporations' enforcers for a long time. Smeldly Butler laid it all out in 'War is a Racket'.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 00:09 | 2950901 sunaJ
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Yes, that is obvious to me now.  That grim and accurate opinion is being shared more and more by members of our military as they are called upon indefinitely - in war and regions of peace - to fight battles - mostly covert - around the world.  Call it Post-traumatic Stress if you like, but when these soldiers are exposed to horrible things in the battlefield and then return here to "what they were fighting for," and finding themselves disappointed, it makes those horrors that much worse.  Our suicidal vets are the canary-in-the-coalmine commentary on American culture.  They are a reflection of the dying paradigm we are living in, promulgated by those that benefit most by it. Anti-terrorism has become a hysterical cult because the old system must now defend itself rigorously and continually just to survive.  The "key" to their club is the Top Secret security clearance and their newest temple is near completion in Bluffdale, Utah.  They are not above the constitution but they believe they are doing God's work and anything is fair game.  The bipartisan political farce has run its course and passed on to full cliche.  I know of no better sign of publicly-unrecognized totalitarianism.  If you can make people believe they are choosing, they can forever be controlled.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:37 | 2950404 CH1
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If... things could go in the right direction.

All we have to do is stop obeying them. If we did, they would crumble in short order.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:41 | 2950412 lolmao500
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The sheeple will never disobey them. The troops on the other hand will be fired and they'll hire illegal aliens and private contractors to do their bidding... or they'll stage a false-flag and the sheeple will line up to die for their corporate masters.

The only way America goes on the right path without a decade + of collapse then civil war... is the military to go Ataturk on the US government's ass.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 07:32 | 2951152 BigJim
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There's a reason they want to enlist people who are essentially children, and not just because they're physically fit; it's because they have not yet developed the capacity (or habit) of critical thought and are thus easily led to commit atrocities in the name of absurdities, to paraphrase Voltaire.

So I can't see the military going 'Ataturk' (a dreadful man himself, though I've yet to meet a Turk who doesn't practically wet themselves with reverence whenever his name is mentioned).

As Smedley Butler admitted, he'd never had an original thought of his own until he left the 'services' - and he retired relatively late in life as a general. So expecting the twenties-something grunt to suddenly discover true patriotism is asking a bit much.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:51 | 2950439 Id fight Gandhi
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Seven days in may

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:15 | 2950489 Tortfeasor
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It's not the military's job to arrest people. That's called a coup. Get off your fat ass and make change happen yourself.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:40 | 2950540 lolmao500
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A coup is the only way America avoids collapse. Make change happen yourself. Get real, the real awaken is a tiny minority.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:05 | 2950580 Dr. Richard Head
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The collapse is not the problem and is manifesting its reality. The concern is whether or not outright dictatorship births in its wake or if true free market ideals have the proverbial seat at the table.

In llight of hurricane Sandy and the response of the populous graveling for assistance I believe the former will be begged for by the masses. The millions of us that can pinpoint failure on the current ten planks of the communist manifesto might be enough to overcome.

Either that or there is another solid ten years of papered over promises and inflated away guarantees of government largese. I am completely confused as to the ability to keepthe glue and duct tape from coming apart at the scenes with all of these paper machinations.

I am also drunk, so at least I've got that going for me. Black and Tans on an election eve. I'll vote with my chemistry abilities of turning beer to urine. Not that far off from the poll votes turning to tax payer piggy trough feeding.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 23:19 | 2950791 Dr. Engali
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Black and Tans ... I'll drink to that. Guinness and Harp or some other tan ?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 08:40 | 2951294 Dr. Richard Head
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Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:01 | 2950586 CH1
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A coup is the only way America avoids collapse

A coup? Seriously??

Oh yeah, that'll be just swell. Shoot people and take over the evil machine?

And then what? "Run it the right way this time."?


(You're working for the FBI, right? Looking for the damaged and gullible?)

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:09 | 2950611 RiotActing
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A coup sounds crazy but do you see anything REALLY changing until people start dieing?


Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:38 | 2950699 CH1
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A coup sounds crazy but do you see anything REALLY changing until people start dieing?

I really do see some people changing. The number of cryto-anarchists and agorists has grown dramatically. Granted, these people are still a tiny fraction of the whole, but at least it is some.

I expect most people to avoid reality until the last possible moment. When they're hungry, they will either turn into monsters or return to sanity.

My guess is that there is a lot of pain coming down the raod... and at this point, I think we should just let it come.

Protecting willingly blind people keeps them blind.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:36 | 2951553 aerojet
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You'll know the movement away from the state is taking off when all the hot chicks are part of it.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 01:17 | 2951008 CharlieSDT
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Also dieting.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 06:21 | 2951170 _underscore
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I thought the coup happened in 1971.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 09:47 | 2951430 Shizzmoney
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No that was 1913.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:05 | 2951664 Jumbotron
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I thought the coup happened in 1971.

No that was 1913.


Both correct ....and wrong.  The coup began in 1789 here........


And here is the coup master......


Who then went on to exploit westerners through currency manipulation and real estate scams which brought on this event  2 years after the establishment of our National Bank......


.....And who also then crushed the rebellion with a larger force than any mustered against the British during the Revolution.  


Bankers and their elite lapdogs in Congress will alway crush the commoner and then use the military to crush the commoner when they revolt against their tyrannies.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:48 | 2950561 Pegasus Muse
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If the military would do it's damn job and arrest the traitors in Washington DC, Wall Street and on TV, things could go in the right direction...


I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 07:50 | 2951216 Freewheelin Franklin
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If the military would do it's damn job and arrest the traitors....

Why would the military arrest the people that sign their paychecks?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:35 | 2951796 beaglebog
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Good point, Franklin.


All of their status and privilege is derived from the "system" ... from the looting of the taxpayer. 


There is no way on this God's Earth that they will act to disrupt that system. The evidence is all around; look at the military/police of any embattled country and tell me how many fight for Liberty. No, they fight for more control of the "system" ... a hand on the levers.


American military and police will prove to be no different. Don't waste your time hoping.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:36 | 2950401 howenlink
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Enough with the banner ads taking over my phone and notebook.  I am ready to pay.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 23:07 | 2950766 au_bayitch
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Cut it down a bit.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:39 | 2950408 Winston Churchill
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Simon. Stick to selling real estae in Chile or wherever.

The gunpoeder plot was about religious freedom.

They were all Roman Catholics, and were trying to kill the head of the

Church of England.Who also happened to be the King.

Thats why they were burned at the stake.The Roman Catholic style of execution

for heretical behavior, at that time.Quid pro quo.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:44 | 2950423 Jack Burton
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Thanks Winston, you beat me to the punch, I posted much the same below!

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:09 | 2950613 prains
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Simon has since moved to Cheapenzuela where the alpaca's roam free

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:39 | 2951812 beaglebog
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I think that Fawkes was hanged, drawn and quartered.


Anyway, it is said that he was the last man to enter Parliament with honourable intentions.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:40 | 2950409 Ineverslice
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Release the Drones!

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:08 | 2950420 Jack Burton
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The English don't necessarily see the Gun Powder Plot about economic freedom. They do see it is as part of a Catholic Plot to defeat the reformation and impose the Catholic faith back on England. That is why even today banners carried in the torch parades often say "No Popery".

As for the state of the English economy due to the greed and corruption of the monarcy, yes, that is all true. Just do not look at the gunpowder plot as a tea party act for freedom, it was part of a deep religious plot to restore the Catholic faith as the offical church in England. This religious battle would soon extend to Church of England versus non conformists who were quickly gaining strength in the House of Commons. THESE were the real capitalists and members of the growing middle class of businessmen. So there was a three way religious battle. The Gunpowder Plot was not a free market capitalist movement, it was basically aristocratic Catholics seeking restoration of their former religious power in England.

"Penny for the Guy?"

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:40 | 2950532 newengland
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But the potent hope of blowing up the monied few who enslave the many - that is the power of the phrase: remember, remember the 5th of November, and the joke that Guy Fawkes was the last honest man to enter Parliament.

Symbolism and honest values: a powerful keg, needed now more than ever.


Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:48 | 2950432 orangegeek
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Collapsing is a process, not an event.  Too much emphasis on instant collapse or so this article implies.


Markets have turned over everywhere in the world except the USA.  The US has now followed - top was in October.


And it will take time for markets to fall and the pending misery to follow - economy lags markets typically by 3 to 6 months.


We have years of utter hell ahead of us.  We can't fix this global mess in a few months.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:55 | 2950448 Jack Burton
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Europe is looking grimmer everyday. None of this bailout bullshit is going to help the insolvent banking systems and their massive holdings of sovereign debt of inslovent governments of Europe. Canada and Australia are showing bad signs as well.

We are headed for a crisis to make 2008 look like a picnic. But the power of the central bank money printers is making this a very slow motion collaspe. Still, the collapse is on.

Do not underestimate the threat of war either. IN Syria, Israel is threatening Syria over gunfire on teh Golan heights. And Hezbolla has moved 5,000 front line fighters into Syria to fight for the Assad government. They have heavy missile batteries with them and have already driven rebels out of some towns and have moved to secure and protect friendly towns and villages. This is now a full blown Sunni SHia war. USA and NATO back their allies the Sunni, Iran and Hezbolla are now fighting in Syria for the Assad government.


Mon, 11/05/2012 - 23:52 | 2950846 StychoKiller
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Dinar for the Mustafah?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 02:17 | 2951056 Ctrl_P
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Esau what you did there...

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 20:57 | 2950451 vix is for kids
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The equity markets may have topped, but most of the European markets (FTSE, DAX, and CAC) and a few Asian ones are still above their (rising) 50 day moving averages.  In that regard, the US would be the leader, to the downside, as our major averages are now below their 50 dma.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:02 | 2950598 Dr. Engali
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I do agree the market has seen it's top and we will never reach those levels again, however I think we are going to see this market accelerate to the downside. I believe when the great liquidity rush happens the market collapse will be epic. Time will tell, but it's coming.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 05:46 | 2951156 BigJim
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Doc, I'd be interested to know why bears believe the CBs won't just keep propping up the market, come hell or high water.

The only possible reason I can see is that they want their debtors to default, so they can pick up real assets in exchange for all the fiat credit they created (at no cost to themselves) - is that your thinking?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 09:02 | 2951337 Zadok
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Not only a ponzi, but one promulgated with counterfeit currency.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 12:27 | 2951983 aerojet
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The pumping has had less and less "sugar high" effect on the markets.  There will come a point where more pumping will have effect whatsoever.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:01 | 2950460 krispkritter
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Who's got a match?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:08 | 2950469 buzzsaw99
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I liked V for Vendetta greatly. However, in the movie the building they blew up was an empty symbol. It is generally a story of non-violent protest and overthrow with a few dead maggots who had it coming thrown in for good measure.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:17 | 2950483 newengland
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We do not forget.

We do not forgive.

Expect us. We are legion.

We are Anonymous.

We cannot be stopped if we are faceless, anonymous.

We cannot be stopped if we are leaderless, and do not confront the police, but rather stand back, and watch the infiltrators and agent provacateurs be arrested.

Today is November 5th. Remember, remember the 5th of November and Guy Fawkes - the last honest man to enter Parliament, as the Brits joke :-)


These are the words of others, not mine. I will not be voting for the donkey or the elephant. It only encourages them, and their corporatist corrupt freak masters.

No taxation without representation. The USA was founded as a Republic - not that whore 'democracy' which would get into bed with any money or thug; that might is right and the weak are to be screwed.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 23:54 | 2950852 StychoKiller
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Taxation WITH representation ain't much better...

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:18 | 2950488 steelrules
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It's also "BUY AMMO DAY" and pick up a little SILVER while your out.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:18 | 2950495 Who is John Galt
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The National Debt and the Bank of England

In 1290, Edward 1 of England deported the Jews. In mediaevel times the national treasure was held by the king. Usury, the lending of money at interest, was in the hands of the Jews.

Monarchs therefore were prime targets. One of the first to go was King Charles 1 of England, in 1649, whose head plus permission for the Jews to re-enter England, was the price for financial aid to Cromwell.

It is relevant to mention that Oliver Cromwell's great uncle was Thomas Cromwell, the man who pushed through Henry VIII's divorce and the split from Rome, and who had trained "in the back-rooms of the money-lender and the usurer" in Venice. His sister's son, Richard Williams, took his mother's name in return for Hinchingbrooke, a Benedictine nunnery confiscated by Thomas Cromwell. Oliver, the son of Richard, further improved the family's fortunes by his marriage to the widow of the financier, Sir Horatio Palavicino, which perhaps explains his connivance, with the Jewish Sanhedrin over the execution of Charles I.

In 1656, in settlement of the second part of the deal, the Jews were allowed to return to England.

In 1693, subsequent to the Restoration of the monarchy in 1660, the estimated revenue was not equal to estimated expenditure. It was the bankers and Jews of Amsterdam who financed the invasion by William of Orange. The year 1692 had bequeathed a large deficit, partly due to the involvement of England in William of Orange's continental wars, and it seemed probable that the charge for 1693 would exceed by about five hundred thousand pounds the charge for 1692.

Thus it took no more than two generations after the return of the Jews to create a "National Debt".

Taxation, both direct and indirect, had been carried to an unprecedented point.

The situation and its apparent resolution is summed up in the following quote from Lord Macaulay's "History of England" written in 1848.:

... "It was necessary therefore to devise something. Something of which the effects are felt to this day in every part of the globe.

"There was nothing strange in the expedient to which the government had recourse. It was an expedient familiar during two centuries to the financiers of the continent...."

"On the 16th December 1692 the House of Commons made itself into a Committee of Ways and Means. It was proposed to raise a million by way of loans. The proposition was approved and it was ordered that a bill should be brought in.

"By this law new duties were imposed on beer and other liquor. These duties were to be kept in the Exchequer and were to form a fund on the credit of which a million was to be raised by life annuities. As the annuities dropped off the annuities were to be divided among the survivors until the number of survivors was reduced to seven.

"After that time whatever remained was to go to the public. It was therefore certain that the eighteenth century would be far advanced before the debt would finally be extinguished.

"Such was the origin of the National Debt. .... At every stage in the growth of that debt the nation had put up the same cry of anguish and despair and at every stage in the growth of that debt it has been seriously asserted that bankruptcy and ruin was at hand. But still the debt kept on growing and still bankruptcy was as remote as ever.

"What they had failed to realise was that although they saw the debt grow, they forgot that other things grew as well as the debt. The effect of this system of funding proves that all credit depends on two things: on the power of the debtor to pay debts and on his inclination to pay them.

"...By the Lottery Loan as it was called one million was obtained but another million was wanted to bring the estimated revenue for the year 1694 up to a level of the estimated expenditure.

"At the time there were old men living who remembered when there were no banks in the City of London.

"But a new mode of paying and receiving money had come into fashion among the merchants of the capital.

"This new branch of business naturally fell into the hands of the goldsmiths who had vaults in which great masses of bullion could lie secure. It was at the shops of the goldsmiths of Lombard Street that all payment in coin was made. Other traders gave and received nothing but paper.

"This great change did not take place without much opposition. These usurers it was said played hazard with what had been earned by the industry and hoarded by the thrift of other men. Some predicted ruin to the monarchy. Some predicted ruin to liberty. Here they said is an instrument of tyranny more formidable than the Star Chamber. The whole wealth of the nation will be in the hands of the bank. The power of the purse, the one great security, will be transferred from the House of Commons to the Governor and Directors of the new Company.....

"The bill went through the House of Commons and although the House of Lords asserted it was intended to enrich usurers at the expense of the nobility, the Bank of England came into being and was founded in 1694."

By the 1700s the British Government's debt to the Bank of England was £140,000,000.

Fifty years after the Bank of England was chartered Amschel Moses Bauer (later Rothschild ) opened a counting house and, financing himself on money belonging to Prince William of Hanau, began to loan money to governments instead of people.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:22 | 2950639 newengland
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The bigger point is that politicians were bought, and coerce or cajole voters into compliance.

The USA was founded as a Republic  - not a monarchy or corporatist thing as it has now become due to the ambition and avarice of the career politicians. Not a democracy which is rule by any mob that can be bought and sold by vested interests who can afford to woo them or lose them.

The Republic: founded on values and individual responsibility, genuine community, neighbour help neighbour.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:28 | 2950507 Zero Govt
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a continuous circle of parasites sucking and sucking the lifeblood out of the economy (productive people) in a national death spiral

funny this history, the most important lesson society could learn from the history books, is not taught in State schools

you'd almost think the truth was being suffocated and lies were being fed to us right from our childhood

what kind of blood sucking lying manipulative human scum would do this to others and mis-educate other peoples children?


Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:37 | 2950530 john39
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In a word, satanists. Not kids listening to heavy metal, but rather, the real thing.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:45 | 2950542 Zero Govt
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again i'm not fussed at all about their beliefs or interested in their backgrounds or any other window dressing

i just want an end to these suckers on humanity and their sewer system, Govt

it's enough we return to freedom and free markets

if someone wants to hang the scum i'm not going to argue, it'll be a free world

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:07 | 2950609 john39
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the sheele need to understand why these monsters would be more than happy to watch the masses starve and die.  can't fix a problem until you understand the nature of it.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 05:51 | 2951159 BigJim
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Exactly. As long as the mass of people believe politicians are 'their' representatives, they'll keep supporting them.

Their ability to swallow clearly false political rhetoric is astonishing... though I must admit that before I started looking into this stuff 5 years ago I was pretty much the same :-(

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:27 | 2950512 Silver Garbage Man
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The big problem is the tiny elite have a massive high tech control grid set up and a goon squad to support it. That won't be easy to shake. Perhaps a solar flare wouldn't be the worse thing to happen. You do have precious metals and are prepared for this right?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:36 | 2950522 Zero Govt
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the elite are small, we are many ..use numbers

tek is a toilet flush mechanism, it's the brains behind it that counts. We have the hacker community on our side, they don't stand a snowball in hells chance if tek war kicks off

the single best tactic to bring the system down is painless, easy, fast and furious...

Stop Paying Tax the suckers seize-up and implode running on empty

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:52 | 2950551 newengland
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And do not conspire with the enemy. Do not vote. It only encourages them. Notice how this election is being portrayed as close run, and every vote counts; get out and vote.


The purpose of that is to declare that voting figures prove democracy is alive. However, Stalin said that the people who count the votes are more important than the people who vote.

Diebold will decide this election, and the political pets paid by biggest banks will declare that it is the people's will.

DO NOT VOTE. It only encourages them. Stay close to home, community, family and friends. The Republic needs this now more than ever.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:53 | 2950572 Zero Govt
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Newengland  -  yes i've been saying very much the same thing. I believe the vote count like any other Govt statistic is a fraud

I don't believe 51-56% of people vote, passing that watermark of 50% to make it look like we've (just) got a democratic majority voting

Party memberships have been in terminal decline for decades, because Party memebrship has been hollowed out as people have lost faith with ever more centralised (executive) policy making 

the public now all have epic amounts of cycnacism toward these fucking clowns in Govt

but you'll never see the electoral bodies admit they've got less than a 50% voting public, their jobs depend on this sham continuing 

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:15 | 2950612 newengland
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ZeroGovt, true.

However, in honest communities throughout the land, there are people who love and defend their family, friend, neighbour - the person stood next to them.

This is the Republic, and our cause is just and right. No surrender. No taxation without representation.

And no vote. They will not get my compliance with their two-party one statist way.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:59 | 2950577 toomanyfakecons...
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"And do not conspire with the enemy"


One word... "collaborators". If they're lucky they will only have their heads shaved and their assets siezed after the ship is righted and the Constitution is restored.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:45 | 2950552 Dr. Engali
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The problem is that while they are few, they are very efficient at dividing the many so they bicker with one another over the scraps. That is not easy to overcome.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:52 | 2950571 newengland
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Dr. Engali,

And this too shall pass. I'm looking forward to November 7 when all the political street litter and rabied canvassers leave.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:59 | 2950590 Zero Govt
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again there's a simple solution, it's the peoples 'Nuke' button

Stop Paying Tax Tax = zero Govt = zero Parasites

all other methods of protest/revolt are way too much effort and far less effective

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 23:58 | 2950867 FeralSerf
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The federal government does not need the people to pay taxes as long as it has the power to print money.  About half of all federal expenditures are now paid by newly created money.

If you stop paying income taxes, they will seize your property and you will be known to them as a "tax protester" and they will not allow you to participate in the revolution.  They will confiscate any weapons you might have and imprison or kill you.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 02:25 | 2951061 newengland
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And they will die before New Englanders hand over our land to fed foreigners.

No. No. No. We are just and good. They are wrong. Do not tread on me or mine.

We dealt with this issue in the 1700s, and won, and we will win again. Bow down to your master if you must. We won't.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 21:49 | 2950564 toomanyfakecons...
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Don't be fooled by the "high tech control grid". All the high tech crap in the world could not dislodge 11th century tribal fighters in Afghanistan... and the most powerful modern army to ever roam a battlefield took unsustainable losses attempting to dislodge human rodents armed with stolen small arms in the ghettos of Warsaw.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 22:12 | 2950624 newengland
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Yes. Bloody right. The tyrant relies on threats, and people's willingness to be threatened and comply. See those sad souls wiped out on Staten Island while Bloomberg focused on Manhattan.

Minutemen are always prepared to defend their own. Grandstanding politicos talk too much, and do too little because they want the kudos and money, and don't care how many die believing in their hollow words.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:57 | 2951629 Pampalona
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that was before drones


Tue, 11/06/2012 - 00:53 | 2950968 stiler
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group of 13 conspirators 

you forgot to write, "Catholic conspirators" which they all were and why it was doomed.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 02:32 | 2951069 newengland
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Anyone who votes on November 6 is a collaborator, a blameless willing fool or hater of the Constitution, assisting a foreign power: the Trilateral Commission.

End the fed.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 03:37 | 2951110 savagegoose
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dont forget the rebels where the rich midle class, the peasants, as usual, coulndt care who fucks their asses. theyre still getting ass fucked.  america has done away with rich middle class, therby avoiding a successful rebel force.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 08:22 | 2951256 northerngirl
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Articles like this are so old everyone knows the system is broken, but until we become a nation of producers instead of looters nothing will change.

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