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Guest Post: 'I' For Inevitable
Via Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,
Just over 400-years ago today, a group of 13 conspirators was caught trying to assassinate King James I of England and blow up the House of Lords in what became known as the Gunpowder Treason.
If you’ve ever seen the movie V for Vendetta, you know the story. Guy Fawkes was found underneath the House of Lords with three dozen barrels of gunpowder… and to this day, his effigy is still burned annually in commemoration of the event.
Fundamentally, the Gunpowder Treason was about freedom. The English monarchy at the time was controlling nearly every aspect of the economy and their subjects’ lives– from what they could wear to how they could worship.
“Sumptuary laws” which regulated private behavior were commonplace. Elizabeth I, for example, re-introduced a beard tax on all facial hair grown in excess of two weeks. She also published long lists, categorized by social class, dictating precisely what color and type of garment her subjects were required to wear.
It turns out these sumptuary laws were just an early form of state-sponsored corporate welfare; the English textile industry had paid Elizabeth huge sums of money in exchange for royal decrees about knitted caps and woollen socks.
As a consequence, a great deal of English labor and disposable income was mis-allocated towards silly garments instead of being put to more productive uses… and the country was in an almost perpetual state of stagnation.
Not to mention, English finances deteriorated under Elizabeth. By 1600, state expenditures were 23% greater than tax revenue, which would be the equivalent of a $550 billion budget deficit in the US today. Not exactly a trivial figure.
James I, Elizabeth’s successor, continued to spend extravagantly and in-debt the English economy, often showering taxpayer funds on a handful of favored nobles.
By the time James’s successor Charles I came to power, the monarchy’s credit was running so thin that Charles had to force people to loan him money; those who refused were imprisoned and had their property confiscated.
Unsurprisingly, civil war broke out in 1642. Charles I was executed in 1649, and the genocidal dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell dominated England for the next decade.
When you think about it, this collapse was inevitable. For decades prior, the entire English economy was under the control of a single individual who massively indebted the state, impeded growth, and reduced people’s individual freedoms. Not exactly a recipe for long-term success.
The Gunpowder Treason of November 5, 1605 may have been a failure for the conspirators, but given enough time, a system so screwed up, so unsustainable, was destined to collapse on itself.
Curiously, we’re not so different in the west today. We have our own sumptuary laws, regulating everything from tobacco consumption to what foods we can/cannot eat. We have our own state-sponsored corporate welfare. We’re comically indebted.
And just like the English monarchs, we have a tiny elite that controls absolutely everything about our economy– taxation, regulation, and the supply of money.
Needless to say, this is also unsustainable. And history shows that these types of unsustainable systems will always collapse under their own weight. We’re not so different...
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If the military would do it's damn job and arrest the traitors in Washington DC, Wall Street and on TV, things could go in the right direction...
(just in case gathering behind our leader during the hurricane wasn't enough)
Russian nuclear attack sub detected in Atlantic; Near East Coast...
Election help from the commies to the commie. Not going to stop anyone from voting...
the link is now broken here is some of the text and I agree it actually might be the opposite of the hurricane
The Russians are Coming!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TszIJX-F4U&feature=endscreen&NR=1
& here's the resistance! A quality force of intelligent strategists...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jHSxETDE8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edjYur21T1c
In a sense, this is life, exemplified. In fact, when I watch people lose money trading... its exactly like this.
-I peed myself laughing.
Unbelievable. The one place I never expected to see a piece of historical revisionism was on ZH.
You need to read your history. The gunpowder plot was an effort by the agents of Rome trying to bring England back under papal rule.
They got caught. And executed for treason.
Exactly what should happen to treasonable acts committed against a nation's constitution. (Even when - or especially when - those acts are committed by those in authority in the country)
Right you are. People shouldn't apply the freedom spin to just about everything. That's an abuse of the popularity of the notion of freedom.
James the first was a tyrant. His government had no kind of moral legitimacy whatsoever (unless you're a believer in Hobbesian rhetoric) and neither did his parliament.
Of course... if Catesby and crew had succeeded, their new government might have been no better.
To descibe what they tried to do as 'treason', though, is laughable. No one owes loyalty to evil, and the English monarchy (along with every other autocratic tyranny) was almost always exactly that - a bunch of 'big-picture' mafiosi, always ready to sacrifice the lives of 'their' citizens in some foreign landgrab, spending vast amounts of wealth on finery while their people starved.
When I think of these assholes it almost makes me want to believe in God... that the wicked really are punished in the afterlife for their crimes here on Earth.
good catch
I wouldn't worry...they're only here to monitor the elections
Such a non-story. What was it even mentioned for? The Russians have exactly one working attack sub. An attack submarine is not the same thing as a ballistic missile boat aka "Boomer" which has a first-strike capability. Why would the Russians want to start something with the US right now, anyways? It's all bs.
Agreed.
The Supine Court and the Justice Department and all other "law enforcement" have so far allowed the rape of the Constitution and the death of the rule of law for the common citizen.
If the military falls in line rather than restoring the Constitution we may as well start flying the red/white/blue swastika.
The military has served as the corporations' enforcers for a long time. Smeldly Butler laid it all out in 'War is a Racket'.
Yes, that is obvious to me now. That grim and accurate opinion is being shared more and more by members of our military as they are called upon indefinitely - in war and regions of peace - to fight battles - mostly covert - around the world. Call it Post-traumatic Stress if you like, but when these soldiers are exposed to horrible things in the battlefield and then return here to "what they were fighting for," and finding themselves disappointed, it makes those horrors that much worse. Our suicidal vets are the canary-in-the-coalmine commentary on American culture. They are a reflection of the dying paradigm we are living in, promulgated by those that benefit most by it. Anti-terrorism has become a hysterical cult because the old system must now defend itself rigorously and continually just to survive. The "key" to their club is the Top Secret security clearance and their newest temple is near completion in Bluffdale, Utah. They are not above the constitution but they believe they are doing God's work and anything is fair game. The bipartisan political farce has run its course and passed on to full cliche. I know of no better sign of publicly-unrecognized totalitarianism. If you can make people believe they are choosing, they can forever be controlled.
If... things could go in the right direction.
All we have to do is stop obeying them. If we did, they would crumble in short order.
The sheeple will never disobey them. The troops on the other hand will be fired and they'll hire illegal aliens and private contractors to do their bidding... or they'll stage a false-flag and the sheeple will line up to die for their corporate masters.
The only way America goes on the right path without a decade + of collapse then civil war... is the military to go Ataturk on the US government's ass.
There's a reason they want to enlist people who are essentially children, and not just because they're physically fit; it's because they have not yet developed the capacity (or habit) of critical thought and are thus easily led to commit atrocities in the name of absurdities, to paraphrase Voltaire.
So I can't see the military going 'Ataturk' (a dreadful man himself, though I've yet to meet a Turk who doesn't practically wet themselves with reverence whenever his name is mentioned).
As Smedley Butler admitted, he'd never had an original thought of his own until he left the 'services' - and he retired relatively late in life as a general. So expecting the twenties-something grunt to suddenly discover true patriotism is asking a bit much.
Seven days in may
It's not the military's job to arrest people. That's called a coup. Get off your fat ass and make change happen yourself.
A coup is the only way America avoids collapse. Make change happen yourself. Get real, the real awaken is a tiny minority.
The collapse is not the problem and is manifesting its reality. The concern is whether or not outright dictatorship births in its wake or if true free market ideals have the proverbial seat at the table.
In llight of hurricane Sandy and the response of the populous graveling for assistance I believe the former will be begged for by the masses. The millions of us that can pinpoint failure on the current ten planks of the communist manifesto might be enough to overcome.
Either that or there is another solid ten years of papered over promises and inflated away guarantees of government largese. I am completely confused as to the ability to keepthe glue and duct tape from coming apart at the scenes with all of these paper machinations.
I am also drunk, so at least I've got that going for me. Black and Tans on an election eve. I'll vote with my chemistry abilities of turning beer to urine. Not that far off from the poll votes turning to tax payer piggy trough feeding.
Black and Tans ... I'll drink to that. Guinness and Harp or some other tan ?
Yuengling
A coup is the only way America avoids collapse
A coup? Seriously??
Oh yeah, that'll be just swell. Shoot people and take over the evil machine?
And then what? "Run it the right way this time."?
Puh-leeze.
(You're working for the FBI, right? Looking for the damaged and gullible?)
A coup sounds crazy but do you see anything REALLY changing until people start dieing?
A coup sounds crazy but do you see anything REALLY changing until people start dieing?
I really do see some people changing. The number of cryto-anarchists and agorists has grown dramatically. Granted, these people are still a tiny fraction of the whole, but at least it is some.
I expect most people to avoid reality until the last possible moment. When they're hungry, they will either turn into monsters or return to sanity.
My guess is that there is a lot of pain coming down the raod... and at this point, I think we should just let it come.
Protecting willingly blind people keeps them blind.
You'll know the movement away from the state is taking off when all the hot chicks are part of it.
Also dieting.
I thought the coup happened in 1971.
No that was 1913.
I thought the coup happened in 1971.
No that was 1913.
Both correct ....and wrong. The coup began in 1789 here........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bank_of_the_United_States
And here is the coup master......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton
Who then went on to exploit westerners through currency manipulation and real estate scams which brought on this event 2 years after the establishment of our National Bank......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
.....And who also then crushed the rebellion with a larger force than any mustered against the British during the Revolution.
Bankers and their elite lapdogs in Congress will alway crush the commoner and then use the military to crush the commoner when they revolt against their tyrannies.
If the military would do it's damn job and arrest the traitors in Washington DC, Wall Street and on TV, things could go in the right direction...
I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
If the military would do it's damn job and arrest the traitors....
Why would the military arrest the people that sign their paychecks?
Good point, Franklin.
All of their status and privilege is derived from the "system" ... from the looting of the taxpayer.
There is no way on this God's Earth that they will act to disrupt that system. The evidence is all around; look at the military/police of any embattled country and tell me how many fight for Liberty. No, they fight for more control of the "system" ... a hand on the levers.
American military and police will prove to be no different. Don't waste your time hoping.
Enough with the banner ads taking over my phone and notebook. I am ready to pay.
Cut it down a bit.
winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
Simon. Stick to selling real estae in Chile or wherever.
The gunpoeder plot was about religious freedom.
They were all Roman Catholics, and were trying to kill the head of the
Church of England.Who also happened to be the King.
Thats why they were burned at the stake.The Roman Catholic style of execution
for heretical behavior, at that time.Quid pro quo.
Thanks Winston, you beat me to the punch, I posted much the same below!
Winston
Simon has since moved to Cheapenzuela where the alpaca's roam free
I think that Fawkes was hanged, drawn and quartered.
Anyway, it is said that he was the last man to enter Parliament with honourable intentions.
Release the Drones!
The English don't necessarily see the Gun Powder Plot about economic freedom. They do see it is as part of a Catholic Plot to defeat the reformation and impose the Catholic faith back on England. That is why even today banners carried in the torch parades often say "No Popery".
As for the state of the English economy due to the greed and corruption of the monarcy, yes, that is all true. Just do not look at the gunpowder plot as a tea party act for freedom, it was part of a deep religious plot to restore the Catholic faith as the offical church in England. This religious battle would soon extend to Church of England versus non conformists who were quickly gaining strength in the House of Commons. THESE were the real capitalists and members of the growing middle class of businessmen. So there was a three way religious battle. The Gunpowder Plot was not a free market capitalist movement, it was basically aristocratic Catholics seeking restoration of their former religious power in England.
"Penny for the Guy?"
But the potent hope of blowing up the monied few who enslave the many - that is the power of the phrase: remember, remember the 5th of November, and the joke that Guy Fawkes was the last honest man to enter Parliament.
Symbolism and honest values: a powerful keg, needed now more than ever.
V.
Collapsing is a process, not an event. Too much emphasis on instant collapse or so this article implies.
Markets have turned over everywhere in the world except the USA. The US has now followed - top was in October.
http://bullandbearmash.com/chart/sp500-weekly-closes-week-week-lot-worse/
And it will take time for markets to fall and the pending misery to follow - economy lags markets typically by 3 to 6 months.
We have years of utter hell ahead of us. We can't fix this global mess in a few months.
Europe is looking grimmer everyday. None of this bailout bullshit is going to help the insolvent banking systems and their massive holdings of sovereign debt of inslovent governments of Europe. Canada and Australia are showing bad signs as well.
We are headed for a crisis to make 2008 look like a picnic. But the power of the central bank money printers is making this a very slow motion collaspe. Still, the collapse is on.
Do not underestimate the threat of war either. IN Syria, Israel is threatening Syria over gunfire on teh Golan heights. And Hezbolla has moved 5,000 front line fighters into Syria to fight for the Assad government. They have heavy missile batteries with them and have already driven rebels out of some towns and have moved to secure and protect friendly towns and villages. This is now a full blown Sunni SHia war. USA and NATO back their allies the Sunni, Iran and Hezbolla are now fighting in Syria for the Assad government.
Dinar for the Mustafah?
Esau what you did there...
The equity markets may have topped, but most of the European markets (FTSE, DAX, and CAC) and a few Asian ones are still above their (rising) 50 day moving averages. In that regard, the US would be the leader, to the downside, as our major averages are now below their 50 dma.
I do agree the market has seen it's top and we will never reach those levels again, however I think we are going to see this market accelerate to the downside. I believe when the great liquidity rush happens the market collapse will be epic. Time will tell, but it's coming.
Doc, I'd be interested to know why bears believe the CBs won't just keep propping up the market, come hell or high water.
The only possible reason I can see is that they want their debtors to default, so they can pick up real assets in exchange for all the fiat credit they created (at no cost to themselves) - is that your thinking?
Not only a ponzi, but one promulgated with counterfeit currency.
The pumping has had less and less "sugar high" effect on the markets. There will come a point where more pumping will have effect whatsoever.
Who's got a match?
I liked V for Vendetta greatly. However, in the movie the building they blew up was an empty symbol. It is generally a story of non-violent protest and overthrow with a few dead maggots who had it coming thrown in for good measure.
We do not forget.
We do not forgive.
Expect us. We are legion.
We are Anonymous.
We cannot be stopped if we are faceless, anonymous.
We cannot be stopped if we are leaderless, and do not confront the police, but rather stand back, and watch the infiltrators and agent provacateurs be arrested.
Today is November 5th. Remember, remember the 5th of November and Guy Fawkes - the last honest man to enter Parliament, as the Brits joke :-)
These are the words of others, not mine. I will not be voting for the donkey or the elephant. It only encourages them, and their corporatist corrupt freak masters.
No taxation without representation. The USA was founded as a Republic - not that whore 'democracy' which would get into bed with any money or thug; that might is right and the weak are to be screwed.
Taxation WITH representation ain't much better...
It's also "BUY AMMO DAY" and pick up a little SILVER while your out.
In 1290, Edward 1 of England deported the Jews. In mediaevel times the national treasure was held by the king. Usury, the lending of money at interest, was in the hands of the Jews.
Monarchs therefore were prime targets. One of the first to go was King Charles 1 of England, in 1649, whose head plus permission for the Jews to re-enter England, was the price for financial aid to Cromwell.
It is relevant to mention that Oliver Cromwell's great uncle was Thomas Cromwell, the man who pushed through Henry VIII's divorce and the split from Rome, and who had trained "in the back-rooms of the money-lender and the usurer" in Venice. His sister's son, Richard Williams, took his mother's name in return for Hinchingbrooke, a Benedictine nunnery confiscated by Thomas Cromwell. Oliver, the son of Richard, further improved the family's fortunes by his marriage to the widow of the financier, Sir Horatio Palavicino, which perhaps explains his connivance, with the Jewish Sanhedrin over the execution of Charles I.
In 1656, in settlement of the second part of the deal, the Jews were allowed to return to England.
In 1693, subsequent to the Restoration of the monarchy in 1660, the estimated revenue was not equal to estimated expenditure. It was the bankers and Jews of Amsterdam who financed the invasion by William of Orange. The year 1692 had bequeathed a large deficit, partly due to the involvement of England in William of Orange's continental wars, and it seemed probable that the charge for 1693 would exceed by about five hundred thousand pounds the charge for 1692.
Thus it took no more than two generations after the return of the Jews to create a "National Debt".
Taxation, both direct and indirect, had been carried to an unprecedented point.
The situation and its apparent resolution is summed up in the following quote from Lord Macaulay's "History of England" written in 1848.:
By the 1700s the British Government's debt to the Bank of England was £140,000,000.
Fifty years after the Bank of England was chartered Amschel Moses Bauer (later Rothschild ) opened a counting house and, financing himself on money belonging to Prince William of Hanau, began to loan money to governments instead of people.
Meh.
The bigger point is that politicians were bought, and coerce or cajole voters into compliance.
The USA was founded as a Republic - not a monarchy or corporatist thing as it has now become due to the ambition and avarice of the career politicians. Not a democracy which is rule by any mob that can be bought and sold by vested interests who can afford to woo them or lose them.
The Republic: founded on values and individual responsibility, genuine community, neighbour help neighbour.
a continuous circle of parasites sucking and sucking the lifeblood out of the economy (productive people) in a national death spiral
funny this history, the most important lesson society could learn from the history books, is not taught in State schools
you'd almost think the truth was being suffocated and lies were being fed to us right from our childhood
what kind of blood sucking lying manipulative human scum would do this to others and mis-educate other peoples children?
In a word, satanists. Not kids listening to heavy metal, but rather, the real thing.
again i'm not fussed at all about their beliefs or interested in their backgrounds or any other window dressing
i just want an end to these suckers on humanity and their sewer system, Govt
it's enough we return to freedom and free markets
if someone wants to hang the scum i'm not going to argue, it'll be a free world
the sheele need to understand why these monsters would be more than happy to watch the masses starve and die. can't fix a problem until you understand the nature of it.
Exactly. As long as the mass of people believe politicians are 'their' representatives, they'll keep supporting them.
Their ability to swallow clearly false political rhetoric is astonishing... though I must admit that before I started looking into this stuff 5 years ago I was pretty much the same :-(
The big problem is the tiny elite have a massive high tech control grid set up and a goon squad to support it. That won't be easy to shake. Perhaps a solar flare wouldn't be the worse thing to happen. You do have precious metals and are prepared for this right?
the elite are small, we are many ..use numbers
tek is a toilet flush mechanism, it's the brains behind it that counts. We have the hacker community on our side, they don't stand a snowball in hells chance if tek war kicks off
the single best tactic to bring the system down is painless, easy, fast and furious...
Stop Paying Tax ...watch the suckers seize-up and implode running on empty
ZeroGovt,
And do not conspire with the enemy. Do not vote. It only encourages them. Notice how this election is being portrayed as close run, and every vote counts; get out and vote.
The purpose of that is to declare that voting figures prove democracy is alive. However, Stalin said that the people who count the votes are more important than the people who vote.
Diebold will decide this election, and the political pets paid by biggest banks will declare that it is the people's will.
DO NOT VOTE. It only encourages them. Stay close to home, community, family and friends. The Republic needs this now more than ever.
Newengland - yes i've been saying very much the same thing. I believe the vote count like any other Govt statistic is a fraud
I don't believe 51-56% of people vote, passing that watermark of 50% to make it look like we've (just) got a democratic majority voting
Party memberships have been in terminal decline for decades, because Party memebrship has been hollowed out as people have lost faith with ever more centralised (executive) policy making
the public now all have epic amounts of cycnacism toward these fucking clowns in Govt
but you'll never see the electoral bodies admit they've got less than a 50% voting public, their jobs depend on this sham continuing
ZeroGovt, true.
However, in honest communities throughout the land, there are people who love and defend their family, friend, neighbour - the person stood next to them.
This is the Republic, and our cause is just and right. No surrender. No taxation without representation.
And no vote. They will not get my compliance with their two-party one statist way.
"And do not conspire with the enemy"
One word... "collaborators". If they're lucky they will only have their heads shaved and their assets siezed after the ship is righted and the Constitution is restored.
The problem is that while they are few, they are very efficient at dividing the many so they bicker with one another over the scraps. That is not easy to overcome.
Dr. Engali,
And this too shall pass. I'm looking forward to November 7 when all the political street litter and rabied canvassers leave.
again there's a simple solution, it's the peoples 'Nuke' button
Stop Paying Tax ...zero Tax = zero Govt = zero Parasites
all other methods of protest/revolt are way too much effort and far less effective
The federal government does not need the people to pay taxes as long as it has the power to print money. About half of all federal expenditures are now paid by newly created money.
If you stop paying income taxes, they will seize your property and you will be known to them as a "tax protester" and they will not allow you to participate in the revolution. They will confiscate any weapons you might have and imprison or kill you.
And they will die before New Englanders hand over our land to fed foreigners.
No. No. No. We are just and good. They are wrong. Do not tread on me or mine.
We dealt with this issue in the 1700s, and won, and we will win again. Bow down to your master if you must. We won't.
Don't be fooled by the "high tech control grid". All the high tech crap in the world could not dislodge 11th century tribal fighters in Afghanistan... and the most powerful modern army to ever roam a battlefield took unsustainable losses attempting to dislodge human rodents armed with stolen small arms in the ghettos of Warsaw.
toomanyfakecons...
Yes. Bloody right. The tyrant relies on threats, and people's willingness to be threatened and comply. See those sad souls wiped out on Staten Island while Bloomberg focused on Manhattan.
Minutemen are always prepared to defend their own. Grandstanding politicos talk too much, and do too little because they want the kudos and money, and don't care how many die believing in their hollow words.
that was before drones
you forgot to write, "Catholic conspirators" which they all were and why it was doomed.
Anyone who votes on November 6 is a collaborator, a blameless willing fool or hater of the Constitution, assisting a foreign power: the Trilateral Commission.
End the fed.
dont forget the rebels where the rich midle class, the peasants, as usual, coulndt care who fucks their asses. theyre still getting ass fucked. america has done away with rich middle class, therby avoiding a successful rebel force.
Articles like this are so old everyone knows the system is broken, but until we become a nation of producers instead of looters nothing will change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7ePrCAqzo&feature=youtube_gdata_player