Guest Post: Will A Prophet Assume Command?

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

[Yes it's daunting; but well worth the time to grasp the inexorable path that we are on and rather stunning parallels to previous periods in our history]

“The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.” – Strauss & Howe The Fourth Turning

Strauss & Howe wrote these words in 1997. They had predicted the arrival of another Crisis in this time frame in their previous book Generations, written in 1990. This wasn’t guesswork on their part. They understood the dynamics of how generations interact and how the mood of the country shifts every twenty or so years based upon the generational alignment that occurs as predictably as the turning of the seasons. The last generation that lived through the entire previous Crisis from 1929 through 1946 has virtually died off. This always signals the onset of the next Fourth Turning. The housing bubble and its ultimate implosion created the spark for the current Crisis that began in September 2008, with the near meltdown of the worldwide financial system. Just as the stock market crash of 1929, the election of Lincoln in 1860, and the Boston Tea Party in 1773 catalyzed a dramatic mood change in the country, the Wall Street created financial collapse in 2008 has ushered in a twenty year period of agony, suffering, war and ultimately the annihilation of the existing social order.

We have experienced the American High (Spring) from 1946 until 1964, witnessing America’s ascendancy as a global superpower. We survived the turbulent Consciousness Revolution Awakening (Summer) from 1964 until 1984, as Vietnam era protests morphed into yuppie era greed. The Long Boom/Culture Wars Unraveling (Fall) lasted from Reagan’s Morning in America in 1984 until the 2008 Wall Street/Federal Reserve spawned crash. The pessimism built to a crescendo as worry about rising violence and incivility, widening wealth inequality, and the splitting of the national consensus into extremes on the left and right, led the country into a winter of discontent. The Global Financial Crisis (Winter) has arrived in full fury and is likely to last until the late 2020’s. It will be an era of upheaval, financial turbulence, economic collapse, war, and the complete redefinition of society, as the existing corrupt status quo is swept away in the fury of powerful hurricane winds of change. History is cyclical and we’ve entered the most dangerous season, when the choices we make as a nation will have profound long lasting implications to the lives of future unborn generations.

The linear thinkers and so called progressives who believe that history charges relentlessly forward and human ingenuity overcomes all obstacles as the world becomes progressively richer, advanced, and humane ignore the lessons of history that have been re-written every 80 to 100 years for centuries. Generational theory is so simple that even an Ivy League intellectual economist, corrupt congressman, or CNBC anchor bimbo could grasp the basic concept. The four turnings in the ongoing cycle of history match a long human life. There is a reason we forget the lessons of the past. Those who remember the lessons die off after 80 years. The linear thinking status quo keep predicting an improving economy based upon their beliefs that the next fifteen years will proceed in a similar fashion to the last fifteen years. They refuse to acknowledge we’ve entered a new era that cannot be reversed to a previous point in time. Once you’ve experienced the harsh bitter winds of the Winter, you have to deal with months of depressing darkness, harsh conditions, and stormy weather before experiencing the return of the warm breezes of Spring. The tranquil days of autumn are long gone. This dynamic can be clearly visualized by comparing our economic situation in 2007, prior to entering this Fourth Turning, to our economic situation today:

End of Unraveling in 2007 versus fourth year of Crisis in 2012

  • In 2007, the unemployment rate was 4.6%; 146 million people, or 63% of the working age population, were employed; and 78 million Americans were not in the labor force. Today, after three years of “recovery”, the unemployment rate is 7.9%; 143 million people, or 58.8% of the working age population are employed; and 88 million Americans are not in the labor force.
  • Real median household income was $55,039 in 2007. It has fallen by 8.2% to $50,502 today.
  • BLS reported inflation has risen by 12% since 2007. True inflation has risen at twice that rate.
  • Median net worth in 2007 was $126,400. By 2010 it had fallen to $77,300, a 39% drop in three years. As of today, it may be a few thousand dollars higher as stock prices have risen and home prices have stopped falling.
  • In 2007 there were 5.7 million existing homes sold at a median price of $218,900. Today there are 4.3 million existing homes being sold at a median price of $183,900. Over 1 million of these home sales are foreclosures or short sales, as 30% of all the homes with a mortgage in the country owe more than their house is worth.
  • Federal government spending in 2007 was $2.73 trillion. Federal government spending today is $3.8 trillion, a 39% increase in five years. GDP in 2007 was $14.2 trillion. Today GDP is $15.8 trillion, an 11% increase in five years. Approximately 25% of the GDP increase is due to increased government spending.
  • Government entitlement transfers totaled $1.7 trillion in 2007. Today they total $2.4 trillion, a 41% increase in five years. Interest income paid to senior citizens and savers totaled $1.25 trillion in 2007. Today interest income totals $985 billion, a 21% decrease in five years. Wall Street bankers needed the money to pay themselves bonuses, so Ben Bernanke obliged.
  • The annual deficit in 2007 totaled $161 billion. Today, the annual deficit is $1.1 trillion. We add $3 billion per day to the national debt as a gift to unborn generations.
  • The national debt in 2007 was $9 trillion. Today the national debt is $16.3 trillion, an 81% increase in five years. The national debt will reach $20 trillion during the next presidential term. Normalization of interest rates to 2007 levels would result in annual interest expense of $1 trillion, or 40% of current government revenues.

There is nothing normal about our current economic situation. The unfunded liabilities at the Federal, State and local levels of government accumulate to over $200 trillion. Do the facts detailed above lead you to believe we can return to pre-2007 normal in the near future, or ever? Not only has the economic situation of the country deteriorated enormously, the very culprits who created the disaster are more powerful than they were before the global catastrophe caused by their criminal risk taking. The largest Wall Street banks control 74% of all the deposits in the country, up from 66% in 2007, and double the levels from the mid-1990’s. These bastions of capitalism wield all of the power in this country, dictating who wins elections, who writes the laws, and who benefits from the distribution of wealth. Only in a corrupt, crony-capitalist, citadel of kleptocracy could the perpetrators of the greatest theft of national wealth in the history of mankind be rewarded with taxpayer financed bailouts, the ability to borrow an unlimited amount of fiat currency at 0% from a Central Bank they control, write the new banking regulations and be applauded by their corporate mainstream media for becoming even Too Bigger to Fail. This Fourth Turning will ultimately come down to a clash between the people and the Wall Street filth.


Those in power today are using their ample wealth and control over the legal, economic and political systems to pretend that an epic crisis does not beckon at our doorstep. Propaganda and media spin cannot avert the brutally hard choices that must be made over the next fifteen years. The existing system is unsustainable. It can either be changed by choice or after a complete collapse. We haven’t reached the point of regeneracy yet when civic purpose begins to strengthen. The outcome of this presidential election will determine the next phase of this Crisis. Strauss & Howe described the normal course of a crisis in 1997:

“A CRISIS arises in response to sudden threats that previously would have been ignored or deferred, but which are now perceived as dire. Great worldly perils boil off the clutter and complexity of life, leaving behind one simple imperative: The society must prevail. This requires a solid public consensus, aggressive institutions, and personal sacrifice. People support new efforts to wield public authority, whose perceived successes soon justify more of the same. Government governs, community obstacles are removed, and laws and customs that resisted change for decades are swiftly shunted aside. A grim preoccupation with civic peril causes spiritual curiosity to decline. Public order tightens, private risk-taking abates, and crime and substance abuse decline. Families strengthen, gender distinctions widen, and child-rearing reaches a smothering degree of protection and structure. The young focus their energy on worldly achievements, leaving values in the hands of the old. Wars are fought with fury and for maximum result.” - The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

Clearly this country has not reached a common consensus and is split 50%/50% on most important issues. Debates about the role of government are waged with vitriolic passion, but the reality is that, as in past Fourth Turnings, the government has already assumed a greater level of power and control over our lives. The majority believe that government can protect them, provide for them, and pay their way. This is a delusion which will be revealed as fraudulent and mathematically impossible. The incompetent government preparation prior to Superstorm Sandy and the dysfunctional, bureaucratic and painfully slow response afterward are opening the eyes of many people. The decisions which are yet to be made are what kind of society shall we be and who will be required to sacrifice to achieve a positive outcome at the end of this Crisis. Turnings are driven by a mood change in the country and the constellation of generations at that point in time. The generations are now aligned as they always are during a Crisis:

  • Boomers entering elderhood
  • Gen-Xers entering midlife
  • Millennials entering young adulthood
  • Homelanders entering childhood

History does not repeat but it does rhyme, because of the cyclical nature of human experience. The specific events that drive this Crisis are unknowable, but the generational response to these events can be predicted with uncanny accuracy. Each generation will play its assigned role during this Crisis. The current generational configuration will propel events and create a feedback loop that will change the course of human history on a scale consistent with the Depression/World War II, the Civil War and the American Revolution.

“What will propel these events? As the saeculum turns, each of today’s generations will enter a new phase of life, producing a Crisis constellation of Boomer elders, midlife 13ers, young adult Millennials, and children from the new Silent Generation. As each archetype asserts its new social role, American society will reach its peak of potency. The natural order givers will be elder Prophets, the natural order takers young Heroes. The no-nonsense bosses will be midlife Nomads, the sensitive souls the child Artists. No archetypal constellation can match the gravitational of this one – nor its power to congeal the natural dynamic of human history into new civic purposes. And none can match its potential power to condense countless arguments, anxieties, cynicisms, and pessimisms into one apocalyptic storm.” - The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

The mood of the country continues to blacken. A simmering anger boils beneath the surface of an everyday façade of normalcy. The middle class majority is being squeezed in a vice, with the rich powerful plutocrats on Wall Street and in Washington DC stealing their hard earned net worth through financial scams, the gutting of our industrial base and a tax system designed to benefit those who write the laws on one side and the parasitic willfully ignorant underclass that is sustained only through the extraction of taxes from the working middle class on the other side. Our society has become a hunger games tournament, with the few benefitting while the many scramble to survive. The stench of class warfare is in the air. The generational resentment and rage is palatable as the Millenial generation has taken on a trillion dollars of student loan debt at the behest of the Federal government, Wall Street and older generations, only to graduate into a jobless economy. The generational contract has been broken, as the older generations will not or cannot leave the workforce due to their own financial missteps. Younger generations are being denied entry level positions, even as the older generations expect them to fund their retirements and healthcare. This presidential election will only exacerbate the anger, disappointment, bitterness and fury among the populace, no matter who wins.

Prophets & Nomads

Can generational theory predict who will win the presidential election? Probably not, but based upon historical precedent, during times of Crisis the country usually turns to a Prophet generation leader who provides a new vision and summons the moral authority to lead. This leader may not have the right vision or have the backing of the entire population, but he is not afraid to take bold action. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was despised by many, but he boldly led the country during the last Crisis. Abraham Lincoln won the 1860 election with only 39.8% of the popular vote, but he unflinchingly did whatever he thought was necessary to achieve victory and preserve the union. Prophet leaders like Samuel Adams and Benjamin Franklin offered the sense of moral urgency required to sustain the American Revolution. Strauss & Howe give a historical perspective on Prophet generations.

“Prophet generations are born after a great war or other crisis, during a time of rejuvenated community life and consensus around a new societal order. Prophets grow up as the increasingly indulged children of this post-crisis era, come of age as narcissistic young crusaders of a spiritual awakening, cultivate principle as moralistic mid-lifers, and emerge as wise elders guiding another historical crisis. By virtue of this location in history, such generations tend to be remembered for their coming-of-age passion and their principled elder stewardship. Their principle endowments are often in the domain of vision, values, and religion. Their best-known historical leaders include John Winthrop, William Berkeley, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, James Polk, Abraham Lincoln, Herbert Hoover, and Franklin Roosevelt. These were principled moralists, summoners of human sacrifice, and wagers of righteous wars. Early in life, few saw combat in uniform; later in life, most came to be revered more for their inspiring words than for their grand deeds.” - The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe




Barack Obama was born in 1961. According to the Strauss & Howe generational distinctions, this makes him an early Gen-Xer. His life story matches that of the Nomad archetype. His chaotic early life, confused upbringing by an array of elders, frenetic alienated early adulthood as a community organizer, and his rise to power through his public speaking talent and pragmatic ability to achieve his agenda is a blueprint for a Nomad. Mitt Romney was born in 1947 and grew up during the American High. His childhood was idyllic and privileged. His moral Mormon youth as a missionary eventually devolved into his yuppie “greed is good” career at Bain Capital acquiring companies, making them more efficient (firing Americans & hiring Asians), and spinning them off, while siphoning millions in fees. He has tried to convince Americans to vote for him, based upon his business acumen and moral lifestyle, as the cure for what ails America. With the continued downward spiral of societal mood, record low trust in Congress and 60% of Americans thinking the country is on the wrong track, the odds should favor the Prophet candidate. The 40% of Americans who think the country is on the right track are a tribute to our awful government run public education system or are smoking crack.

The Barack Obama presidency has many similarities to the one-term presidencies of Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan. Both men were overwhelmed by rapidly deteriorating events, an inability to understand the true nature of the Crisis, and failure to inspire the American people to rally behind a common cause. Both men drifted off into obscurity and are overwhelmingly acknowledged as two of the least successful presidents. The men who succeeded them are ranked by historians at the top of the list, even though they are both despised by more libertarian minded citizens as proponents of big government solutions and control. Libertarians will not be happy with developments over the next fifteen years. This Crisis is an era in which America’s corrupt social order will be torn down and reconstructed from the ground as a reaction to the unsustainable financial pyramid scheme which is an existential threat to the nation’s very survival. Civic authority will revive, cultural manifestation will find a community resolution, and citizens will begin to associate themselves as adherents of a larger cluster.   

Barack Obama has fallen short as a Crisis leader, just as Buchanan and Hoover fell short. Buchanan also tried to maintain the status quo and not address the key issues of the day – secession and slavery. His handling of the financial Panic of 1857 led to annual deficits that exceeded 13% of GDP during his entire presidency. His legacy is one of failure and hesitation. Hoover was a technocrat with an engineering background who failed to recognize the extent of the suffering by the American people during the early stages of the Great Depression. It is a false storyline that he did not attempt to use the power of the Federal government to address the economic crisis. Federal spending increased by over 20% during his term and he was running a deficit when Roosevelt assumed power. Hoover was an activist president who began the public works programs that FDR expanded and dramatically increased taxes on the rich and corporations in 1932.

Obama inherited a plunging economic situation and proceeded to make choices that will make this Crisis far worse than it needed to be. He has failed miserably in addressing the core elements of this Crisis that were foreseen by Strauss and Howe over a decade before the initial spark in 2008. Debt, civic decay, rising wealth inequality due to the rise of our plutocracy, and global disorder are the underlying basis for this Crisis. Obama’s response was to run record deficits driving the national debt skyward, failing to address the unfunded entitlement liabilities that loom on the horizon, bowing down before the Wall Street mobsters and paying their ransom demands, layering on more complexity and unfunded healthcare liabilities to an already teetering government system, and extending our policing the world foreign policy at a cost of $1 trillion per year. A Crisis requires a bold leader who makes tough choices and leads. Obama has proven to not be that leader. Based on historical precedent and the rapidly deteriorating mood of the country, it would be logical for the country to select Romney, a Prophet generation leader.

No Escape   

“Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning the way you might today distance yourself from news, national politics, or even taxes you don’t feel like paying. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted. The Fourth Turning necessitates the death and rebirth of the social order. It is the ultimate rite of passage for an entire people, requiring a luminal state of sheer chaos whose nature and duration no one can predict in advance.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning

No matter who wins the election, there will be no turning back. It isn’t Morning in America anymore. It is more like Midnight in America on a bitterly cold dark February night as the gale force winds begin to gust, foretelling the approach of an epic winter blizzard. There are no easy solutions. The opportunity to alleviate the impact of this Crisis was during the late 1990’s and early 2000’s, and we made all the wrong choices. Now we will pay the price. An era of depression and violence will be ushered in by an economic calamity that will make 2008 look like a minor blip. The next president will still be presiding over a country divided 50%/50%, with little or no common ground on most of the key issues that must be confronted. But, as we’ve seen in previous Crisis periods, bold leadership and history making decisions did not require consensus or even majority support. Only 10% of the colonial population drove the American Revolution. Lincoln was despised by half the country and not exactly loved by everyone in the North. FDR’s popular support progressively declined during his four terms in office. It is the Fourth Turning events, not the nation, which elevates the person to the apex of power. The regeneracy of the nation will occur during the next presidential term.

“Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention. The regeneracy will be solidly under way.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning

The Millenial generation is coming of age faced with the burdens of $1 trillion of student loan debt, a stagnant job market clogged by the Boomer generation that can’t afford to retire because they never got around to saving, ever increasing taxes to fund the promises made to their elders by politicians, and an unfunded entitlement liability of $100 trillion for healthcare and pension benefits they will never see. The mathematical impossibility of sustaining our economic system is absolute. It will require courage, sacrifice, fortitude and a dramatic shift of our egocentric selfish culture to a culture of sustainability and caring about future generations. We’ve made many bad choices over the last few decades. Choices matter. These are the times that will try men’s souls. The choices we make as a nation over the next few years will determine whether this Fourth Turning ends in a renewal of our founding principles or tragedy. Glory or ruin – the choice is ours.

“Thus might the next Fourth Turning end in apocalypse – or glory. The nation could be ruined, its democracy destroyed, and millions of people scattered or killed. Or America could enter a new golden age, triumphantly applying shared values to improve the human condition. The rhythms of history do not reveal the outcome of the coming Crisis; all they suggest is the timing and dimension.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning

The next stage of this Crisis is likely to be ignited by a downward spiral of societal trust caused by the next financial implosion, which is certain to occur. A world built upon debt, false promises, interconnected webs of deceitful derivatives, fiat currency backed only by the promises of lying politicians and captured central bankers, and a diminishing supply of easy to access natural resources, is hopelessly dependent upon the willful ignorance of the masses. As long as people want to be lied to rather than facing the truth, those in power can maintain the status quo. Once the jarring realization of reality overwhelms the propaganda and lies of the oligarchs, the battle for middle earth will begin. What will trigger the next phase of this Crisis? No one knows for sure, but based on the fault lines already evident, these are a possibility:

  • The inevitable breakup of the European Union with the consequences of massive bank defaults in Europe triggering worldwide bank defaults as the interconnected trillions of derivatives are lit like a string of firecrackers.
  • A sudden Greece like surge in interest rates on Japanese bonds results in a collapse of their debt ridden economic system, with reverberations throughout the world.
  • The Middle East tinderbox explodes as Israel attacks Iran and the law of unintended consequences takes hold. Alliances and treaties would draw Turkey into war with Syria and Iran. Russia and China could side against the U.S. Iran and their vassals would unleash terrorist attacks and disruption of Middle Eastern oil would drive prices over $200 per barrel, crushing the American economy.
  • A showdown on the debt ceiling and/or fiscal cliff results in a stock market crash, derailing the pitiful fledgling recovery created by Ben Bernanke’s QE to infinity measures.
  • A tipping point is reached with regards to the amount of debt that can be accumulated by our Federal, State and Local governments. A cascade of defaults could lead to a loss of faith in the U.S. dollar and a surge in interest rates. The defaults and increased interest on the national debt could lead to mass depression or in a worst case scenario – hyperinflation.
  • A large terrorist attack in one or more American cities would cause chaos, panic and fear, leading to more government control over our daily lives. This could trigger a counter response by those fed up with an overbearing government presence.
  • A catastrophic natural disaster or series of natural disasters would reveal the fragile nature of our just in time economic system. A breakdown of our logistical and infrastructure systems would lead to chaos and mass hysteria as the citizens who believed their government leaders would keep them safe, secure, warm, and fed realized it was all a sham. Their leaders were in it for the power and riches, not looking out for the best interests of the common folk.

No one knows for sure what will trigger the next leg down during this Crisis, but I can guarantee you that things will not be getting better in the near future. Don’t believe the mainstream media or politicians who tell us life in the good old U.S. of A will be back to normal in the near future. And those who predict a long slow gentle decline of the American Empire that can be managed by the oligarchs are badly mistaken. That is not how things roll in a Fourth Turning. Transformative change, chaos, desperate measures, and total war will propel our nation through this cataclysmic saeculum and a positive outcome is not assured. An armed conflict – class war, sectional war, religious war, or war for oil – will be waged at some point and fought to the finish. Fourth Turning wars do not end inconclusively. Each Fourth Turning war has resulted in greater destruction and more horrendous numbers of human casualties. The trials and tribulations that await this nation over the next fifteen years will challenge every living generation to play their roles and bravely confront the tasks needed to reach a new High, just as their ancestors did.

“History offers no guarantees. Obviously, things could go horribly wrong – the possibilities ranging from a nuclear exchange to incurable plagues, from terrorist anarchy to high-tech dictatorship. We should not assume that Providence will always exempt our nation from the irreversible tragedies that have overtaken so many others: not just temporary hardship, but debasement and total ruin. Losing in the next Fourth Turning could mean something incomparably worse. It could mean a lasting defeat from which our national innocence – perhaps even our nation – might never recover.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning

For those who doubt generational theory and believe history is a linear path of human progress, I would point to the last week of chaos, disarray, government dysfunction, and misery of those who didn’t prepare for Superstorm Sandy, as a prelude to the worst of this Crisis. The lack of preparation by government officials and citizens, death, destruction, panic, anger, helplessness and realization of how fragile our system has become is a perfect analogy to our preparation for this Fourth Turning. The brittleness of our infrastructure and lack of redundancy in our systems has left us vulnerable to any large storm. Building mansions yards from a dangerous unpredictable sea is akin to allowing Wall Street bankers to create interconnected financial derivatives which will ultimately result in a great worldwide flood that will obliterate billions of wealth. Going decades without upgrading our power grid, transportation systems, or storm protection is akin to allowing our unfunded entitlement liabilities to accumulate to such an extreme level that it will be impossible to honor and the coming storm will swamp those depending on those promises. The lack of foresight by citizens in having food, water, and backup sources of power and heat in case of an emergency is akin to the millions of people that have lived the good life in debt up to their eyeballs while never saving for a rainy day or their retirement. When the rainy day arrives they panic and demand to be saved by an inept bureaucratic government.

Winter has arrived. The gathering storm is about to strike. Are you prepared?

“Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning

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vast-dom's picture



and the prophet asks you: do you vote for blue cancer or red cancer? both are EQUALLY malignant. both want you dead, but not before they ravage you. 








camaro68ss's picture

Doomsday Dates are nothing but a dick tease

Michaelwiseguy's picture

I always vote against every sitting congress critter and president up for reelection except this time. I'm still voting against every sitting congress critter, but I live in Florida as a registered Republican and a Ron Paul supporter, I'm voting for Obama for president in revenge for what the GOP did to me and the Ron Paul crew.

Besides, the Progressers are mathematically challenged and need to re-learn their math lessons, when the complete and total economic collapse of the USA happens, that is a 100% mathematical certainty, on Obama.

The left wing TV media demonized the Tea Party movement, the right TV media demonized the Occupy movement, and effectively shut down both. Virtually no one protested during the two political conventions because they got the message from the USA police state.

Both movements should come together and have one Constitutional Rights Movement.

I just thank the Creator for the complete and total economic collapse of the USA that is a 100% mathematical certainty, if nothing else, that will solve most of our problems.

TwoShortPlanks's picture

Will A Prophet Assume Command?

Sure, be with you in a sec!

prains's picture

Will a PROFIT Assume Command?


I believe is the central problem to your question. Unmitigated greed in the form of kleptofascist oligcorptocracy is the new Prophet of Profit all you need is to bring your bowl for another serving

TwoShortPlanks's picture

Yeah, so long as you "bring your bowl for another serving" in this manner:

Fuck. That. Shit.

flacon's picture

This is too funny:


Baraq Obama is the Blacq jesus:



bigdumbnugly's picture

this article has got be the epitome of doomer porn.

if anyone out there is left and hasn't yet succumbed to the hemlock they felt compelled to drink after reading it - congrats and don't worry.    i am sure a new world is ending tome will be out very soon that those that croaked will be missing out on but you will be privvy to.     

I am a Man I am Forty's picture

fear doom fear doom fear doom.........these guys think they are nostrafuckingdamus, worst case scenario everyone moves into the glut of houses that were built in the housing bubble and plants food in their front and back yards, problem fucking solved.

spinone's picture

Anyone who tells you they can predict the future is delusional or selling you something.

Spirit Of Truth's picture

Delusional, eh? The future is predictable in that it's what the deluded masses least expect:

As for a prophet assuming can this be by popular vote when the masses love being lied to and hate being told the truth?  If a prophet is truthful, then he will be popular disdained.  Hence, my plight:

Cosimo de Medici's picture

Best of luck in your endeavor, but realize nobody has been able to pull off your type of scam since John Smith came up with that wonderfully delicious name of "Moroni".  The species is sort of propheted-out.

Oh wait a minute!  You're actually serious, aren't you?

Fukushima Sam's picture

Recently I have embraced Winter and I find that, if you dress warm enough and have a safe harbor, walking in snowstorms can be a lot of fun.

redpill's picture

I'm only happy when it rains anyway.

Ctrl_P's picture

I upped you redpill - one of the best albums ever written.

and ZH is a mirror to my own chaotic soul.

Spirit Of Truth's picture

I think you mean Joseph Smith:

And to think one of his followers might be made America's President tomorrow. Quite the scam?

RafterManFMJ's picture

Anyone who tells you they can predict the future is delusional or selling you something.


I knew you were going to say, you sound like a man who could use some additional life insurance; just let me wrap up this sale to these Unicorns over here....

WarriorClass's picture

If you've ever wondered why half the people in this country vote for commies or statists, consider this: Over half of the population of the United States are immigrants, or the children of immigrants, that came here since the Immigration Reform Act of 1965. If you think that Europeans or third worlders have or can assume American values, then you haven't spent much time with them.

THE most important single issue facing the U.S. is its post-1965 immigration disaster, both legal and illegal. The bipartisan Permanent Government is literally Electing A New People and new values. Among other problems caused by this utterly selfish and irresponsible policy—immiseration of the working class, cultural dispossession, linguistic balkanization, increased crime, overpopulation, etc. The U.S., as it has been known to history, will simply cease to exist within the lives of children now born.  The writing is on the wall.  Immigrants, black people and hispanics are electing Obama types into office in Federal, State and Local elections. How's that diversity working for you America?

AnAnonymous's picture

Immigrants, black people and hispanics are electing Obama types into office in Federal, State and Local elections. How's that diversity working for you America?


The good thing might be that Romney gets elected. By this sentence, he would be by good 'american' people.

The writing is on the wall.

It has been on it since 1776, July, 4th.

rambo1028's picture

Greed is what got us here. Greed to the point and in the hands of so few has lead our country and society to the edge of a cliff if not over.... Greed doesn't just go away. In Utopia maybe things would be that easy but in the real world things are going to be much, much more difficult to solve and it's not always going to be pretty.


You all know the deal...


 Prepared bitchez!


edited to add: I realize we ARE going over the cliff...I meant that right now we are nowhere near the bottom...we only have 2 wheels hanging over the cliff. Today is going to look like paradise once we get over the cliff and land in the valley.

Spirit Of Truth's picture

Petty selfishness might be a better term for what Americans suffer from than "greed". JMHO.

Grifter's picture

Saw "Fourth Turning" in the summary on main page & knew it was Quinn.  I've seen woodpeckers go to town on trees with less velocity & determination than Quinn does with his continual leg humping of this book. 

We get it.  You love this goddamn book.  NASA can see your shimmering boner from space every time you open the book or sniff the friggin binding. 

I recognize I'm not contributing anything to this discussion.  I'll go flog myself now.

EDIT - I'll try to contribute.  Prepping is important; but being singularly obsessed with impending chaos and doom is unhealthy.  Prep, but try to enjoy life when & where you can.  Walk away from ZH for a bit.  Go to a local watering hole & strike up a conversation with a stranger.  Play with your kids/grandkids.  Screw your spouse and/or mistress in new & exciting ways.  But FFS, prepping doesn't need to = zombie apocalypse obsession.

Off to flog myself now...

Cathartes Aura's picture

thanks for the humour,

We get it.  You love this goddamn book.  NASA can see your shimmering boner from space every time you open the book or sniff the friggin binding.

and your edit: suggestions, definitely worth more than an upvote at ZH.

the most important  prep is your mind.

rambo1028's picture

Very well said CA.... I have nothing to add. :)

redpill's picture

I've read enough about this book on ZH alone to know it's 1/3rd doomer porn, 1/3rd interesting historical insight, and 1/3rd manipulating facts to fit circumstances.  I don't know if the middle third will be quite enough to ever get me to read it cover to cover.

Oddly enough, the most common financial disclosure offers a credible (and far more succinct) counterpoint:


Past performance does not indicate future results.


Or, in the parlance of our times:


"God damn you Walter! You fuckin’ asshole! Everything’s a fuckin’ travesty with you, man! And what was all that shit about Vietnam? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Vietnam? What the fuck are you talking about?"


Yes humanity has faced various clusterfucks in the past and will face them in the future.  How you want to fit these events into your own cyclical calendar is up to you, but without specifics you really don't wind up sounding much different than a guest on Coast-to-Coast AM.

tsx500's picture

@Grifter you had me at 'shimmering boner'

a growing concern's picture

Agree with your suggestions.  Prudence demands being prepared for the difficulties that will certainly come, but if you aren't able to enjoy your life in the meanwhile, is there really much point in "surviving"?  I'm off to find "new and exciting ways"...

Cosimo de Medici's picture

What you say!

Quinn writes well, indeed very well, but as you say, that damn book.  Shouldn't we be on the 5th Turning by now?  Somebody bump the needle! (Old guys and audiophiles please explain to the youngsters and iPod crowd)

I note the tenor of the discourse has gotten more, well, discordant.  One might say this is because nothing is changing, and I suppose that is correct.  I believe, however, "nothing is changing" means more that the perpetual preppers are getting on in years and some are beginning to realize they are not going to see the world collapse.  They are going to pass on into nothingness with a couple stacks of shiny metal, more ammunition than was used in Bull Runs I and II, enough freeze dried turkey tetrazini to have fed Biafra---and they will have bitched and moaned about the same things, ad nauseum, for the last few decades of what must have been a bile-filled, miserable existence.  I can imagine all the yard sales as the clock stops on the typical 50-60 year old Zerohedge belly-acher:  stacks of stacks, all being passed on by a surviving spouse ("I knew he was an idiot!") so that someone else can spend his all-too-brief moment-of-being in continuous angst and bitterness.

So many here post and contribute yet another link to yet another injustice or conspiracy or "proof" of some grand scheme...all to what end?  Grief and collective impotence.  It's always a shrill scream in the dark:  "fuck Bernanke, fuck Geithner, fuck Dimon....blah blah blah".  If that venting lets off steam, fine, but the steam just builds again.  Over and over and over.  At some point---since NO ONE is ever going to be point man in the uprising except in his private fantasies---let it go.  Change what can be changed, but accept what will never ever change.  Prep as a precaution, but gear more towards Sandys than Zombies.  One is likely to happen, the other......forgetaboutit.

Learn to smile and laugh in the face of what life is and has always been.  The much hated Ray Dalio---who isn't hated around these parts save for career politician Ron Paul and HF manager (albeit PM lover) Eric Sprott?---, in a recent interview, reminded anyone who was willing to listen that we all believe what we think and what we experience is new and novel, when in fact it has all happened in one way or another since time began, and will happen again and again until time ends.  Deal with it.

Before anyone argues that I'm "giving up", how many Bastilles have YOU stormed lately?  None, and none of you ever will.  It all ends eventually, but with a whimper, not a bang.  None of us is going to see it.

Finally, for those keeping score at home, the answer is two hours and fifteen minutes.



in4mayshun's picture

Ya, cause "happy thoughts" worked out so well for all the other former world powers's picture


I live in Florida as a registered Republican and a Ron Paul supporter, I'm voting for Obama for president in revenge for what the GOP did to me and the Ron Paul crew.


That ought to teach a lesson to those who claim that a vote for Johnson or a write in for Paul is really a vote for Obama. You're showing them what an actual vote for Obama looks like!

Zer0head's picture

Right on Crockett

you are taking to heart precisely what Barack said yesterday

Voting is the best revenge

(of course I always try to employ revenge in such a way that I don't get a face full of shit when I throw it at the fan)

Hi Ho Silver's picture

Fuck Ron Paul and all his whiney bitchez!

He lost. Get the fuck over it already.'s picture

That's the way to convince folks to vote for Romney! No danger of making even more Paul fans pull the Obama lever for laughs.

Hi Ho Silver's picture

I'm not trying to convince folksof anything.

Ron Paul couldn't win a straw poll without buying it and his supporters can't even muster enough support to win a local election in Ron Paul's district.

So who the fuck cares who they vote for?

Insignificance materialized. Boo-fucking-hoo.'s picture

If that's the way you view things then you better be prepared for a possible Romney loss to the Kenyan Muslim. Such an outcome will prove by your own criteria that white Republican Christians are insignificant whiners and that the Koran is in its ascendency. You'll have nobody to blame but your boo-hooing self.

Michaelwiseguy's picture

Fox News and the MSM should have chosen a better Republican candidate for me to select, among their chosen two presidential candidates.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

I'm going thru my sample ballot now, researching who I have to vote against, researching issues, and marking my selection to make it easier for me tomorrow.

vic and blood's picture

Michael, I wrote you a note down below. Read it if you get a chance.


Michaelwiseguy's picture


I asked Romney to give me something, anything, so I could bring myself to vote for him.

I asked to have canceled the TSA 1.4 billion hollow point bullet order.

I asked to have abolished NDAA.

I asked if he would abolish the anti-patriot act for me.

He gave me nothing I could vote for, he refused every request.

Fuck Mitt Romney in Florida where it really counts!

An economic collapse is guaranteed anyway, so whoever is president doesn't matter anyway. 

Ident 7777 economy's picture



Posting the same stupid crap over and over -


I asked to have ...

I asked to have ...

I asked ... 





  • Anaphora is the repetition of a word or phrase at the beginning of every clause. It comes from the Greek phrase, "Carrying up or Back".[4]
Example: "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, we shall never surrender." (Winston Churchill)
vic and blood's picture

Crockett, you are a splendid fellow! This from a guy that never even liked Churchill. You have intelligently and thoughtfully provided some affirmation to a young idealistic Paul supporter who is getting savaged by the hyenas. I salute you.'s picture

Rock n roll, my friend. And long live Ron!

There are many examples of anaphora apart from Churchill. It occurs in the Bible and Walt Whitman and lots of other places as well. The Churchill example was nice because he's a right winger's dream and he used anaphora (which Ident 7777 says is stoopid) to great effect. It probably went over Ident's head but I enjoyed it nonetheless.


More anaphora with which to upset and confuse Ident 7777:


Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

RafterManFMJ's picture

Ya know, from the conspiracy porn I've consulted, the New Testament was written by the Romans to tone down and geld those crazy religious zealots. Thus an eye for an eye became, turn the other cheek, man!

Pope Clement's picture

Herodian/Roman agent provocateur what could possibly go wrong with that bitchez