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Obama Wins Presidency, NBC Projects

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NBC news just announced that it projects a victory for Obama in Ohio. Which means the Florida vote is now moot, and which means Barack Obams has been relected as president of the US.


Via NBC:


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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:16 | 2954150 libertus
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The fix is in. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:16 | 2954153 libertus
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Then again who the hell cares. They are the same. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:19 | 2954182 flacon
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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:21 | 2954203 no taste
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Correction: Wall Street Wins

American people screwed again.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:22 | 2954213 Western
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Presidential pardon for Jon Corzine tomorrow... he'll use it once he's in jail.



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:23 | 2954221 economics9698
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Inflation stock the fuck up on shit.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:24 | 2954227
Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:33 | 2954295 CrazyCooter
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No surprise here ... I blew a gasket on this very subject weeks ago ... see my post from yesterday ...



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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:39 | 2954334 forexskin
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two things

obummer will be holding the bag for the collapse

and the repubs might be having regrets for having fuched with Ron Paul so thoroughly

an oh yea, Au is heading north on the bernank express

let the shitstorm begin...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:40 | 2954367 geoffr
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Ron Paul did a lot of good. And even his non-supporters were opened up to Austrian economics. But frankly, if he couldn't win the Republican primary he had no hope in the general.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:51 | 2954447 CrazyCooter
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See my link up thread. Paul never had a chance to lock up a run this cycle. He did what he always did; stand for principals. But, that is also why he was so popular.

Romney made a very, very bad calculation and thought he could give it a real run without conservative grass roots support. Romney forces crushed grass roots at the state and national level in an attempt to hold on to intra-party power positions. If you followed it closely, it was pretty extreme at times. He held on to control, but at the price of all the conservative energy sloshing around.

So, as I said up thread, Romney ran a small tent campaign ... protecting the intra-party insiders ... and lost (or won as far as they care - they still got their jobs). It isn't surprising; it was a dumb strategy unless you see it from the self interest point of view of the intra-party power brokers.



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:56 | 2954478 Flakmeister
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Sorry, Romney pandered to the grass roots right and had to pivot to the center....

Take note, he only improved in the polls after his pivot....

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:08 | 2954563 TuesdayBen
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1. Tipping point just happened
2. A lot of folks start making big adjustments in the morn
3. First adjustment for Obooba - it ain't Shrub's fault now.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:14 | 2954597 Richard Chesler
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Corrupt puppet did not run for office to help fat cats in Wall Street.



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:42 | 2954719 Oh regional Indian
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Me thinks it ain't over yet.

Too close, too many reports of problems, not yet critical mass, but starting.

Mercury went retrograde yesterday, so confusion will ensue. We just have not seen it yet.

Let Mittens concede, then we'll see. Repubes are not known to give up easily.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:58 | 2954763 CrazyCooter
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Care to put some numbers on that ORI? Seems to be a pretty crushing defeat to me.

What the fuck does Mercury have to do with jack shit?

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
Abraham Lincoln

Don't start me on FDR or AL, however I will concede they were not fools.



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 05:34 | 2955070 krispkritter
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T-Shirt: We spent $2 Billion and all we got was this lousy President...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:03 | 2954791 Oh regional Indian
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Statistical dead-heat Cooter. 49% of the vote each? The electoral college will have it's day/say.

For now, both Ohio and Florida have reported problems, the verdict will be challenged. It's a set-up. And follow the NUMBers in FL and Ohio, close and getting closer. Damn near 50/50. Eminently challengable.

Mark my words. And what does Mercury have to do with it? A lot, but you clearly think Astrology is junk, so won't bother explaining.

It ain't over till it's over.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:05 | 2954796 Flakmeister
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It's over....

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:24 | 2954847 jeff montanye
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truly the presidential race is over but even in florida the race wasn't as close as the popular vote nationally.  winning by one tenth of a percent against someone with the charisma and biography of mitt romney is not much of an accomplishment (until one considers the record obama brought to the duel).

and as glenn greenwald notes, the real unspoken heartbreak of the election is not what the winning side believes that the losers don't, but what they both agree on.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:47 | 2954892 Oh regional Indian
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When the concession speech is made, I'll say maybe. Though I'm sure you will recall that AlGored (your AGW hero) with-drew his concession speech.

Short memories. Wait and watch.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:51 | 2954897's picture

Romney conceded over an hour ago.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:57 | 2954906 Oh regional Indian
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Just saw that, was trying to edit.

Maybe! ;-)


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 05:39 | 2955067 IBelieveInMagic
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USA won. Democracy in action -- we showed the whole world how to do it in a splendid manner! No hanging chads, no digital deceit, clean as a whistle! Press 1 of 2 and your job is done -- now y'all Naysayers can take a break from your orgasm of doom.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:23 | 2954844 James-Morrison
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This is one rag-tag, sorry-ass website of opposition.

You win the government you deserve...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 07:58 | 2955204 overmedicatedun...
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computer voting won. as the tv stations that ran vote totals as a crawler over the last two weeks were accurate..but do not connect the dots..esp those non citizens of USA who post here as if the votes reported were the true votes.

one must laugh at the hoax the lies and the corrupt election results..

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:48 | 2954895 12ToothAssassin
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Good to see you again ORI

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:12 | 2954935 Oh regional Indian
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:-) Thanks TTA.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 05:52 | 2955084 AmCockerSpaniel
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FDR had balls for a start. He got the same bag of shit that Obama got, but went to work for the people to fix it. The banks who created the problem were targeted to fix the problem. Obama did the opposite. So now it's every man for himself, and the government is the enemy. The rest of the world will get no help from us, as we are in a cold civil war here. Lets pray it stays cold!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:15 | 2954601 Flakmeister
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Yep... the buck does stop with him now...

Comeback in 1 year for a followup....

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:16 | 2954608's picture

Is that when the death panel convenes?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:20 | 2954626 Flakmeister
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Is that really the best shit you got?


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:34 | 2954667's picture

Yeah, it's not like Robert Reich (an Obama adviser) said that we're going to let old people die. Nor did he claim that making such a statement was a way to honor the citizens of democracy. That would never happen and it certainly wouldn't be cheered by the crowd at Berkley.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:02 | 2954912 jeff montanye
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imo the worst part of the u.s. healthcare system is the strenuous, ultra expensive full court press to extend the life of the aged. nearly dead combined with the prohibition on suicide.  and i say that as one who wishes to have the option of medically assisted suicide one day.  quality of life, not quantity. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:35 | 2956096's picture

No, the problem is making young and healthy people pay a huge premium for healthcare and then to refuse them that care whwen they are old and infirm. That's Reich's recommendation in the video and it's now the law.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:28 | 2954661 TruthInSunshine
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The Republican Party is destroying itself because more people are seeing it as the fraud it is. Republicans are big spending, big government, whores for Wall Street, banking interests, and the incredibly bloated and el lardo defense industry, all propped up by massive and continuous taxpayer subsidies.

In essence, as I've said before, the two "different" parties, deeply captured, jawbone social wedge issues like gay marriage or the pledge of allegiance in public schools (or manger scenes in public spaces), while doing the same damage to the citizenry on behalf of their same bosses.  They're one in the same; the false left-right paradigm has destroyed democracy.

I'd even bet that a much larger share of Republicans had a "meh" attitude compared to Democrats regarding voting, also, in large part because people like Ron Paul have exposed the hypocrisy & statist nature of the RINO Party.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:33 | 2954684 Matt
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Mitt Romney did better than G W Bush 2000 with his target demographics. The big difference is, that in the last 12 years, the demographics have changed with more urban, more non-white, and more young voters. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:42 | 2954720 CrazyCooter
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Not true.

Most republicans are "out of step" with leadership. The force that had to be applied this cycle to "stay in the saddle" was telling. You see the video of the chair in LA (i.e. Lousiana) who got his HIP DISLOCATED for daring to run a straight up convention?

What I am waiting for, with bated breath, is the congressional cycle in two years. Convservatives will be ON THE WAR PATH (and I don't mean international conflict). The OGREs (old guard republican establishment) may very well go under the bus in more than just six or so states that blew up this cycle.

Don't blame conservatives. Don't blame republicans. Do blame their leaders. This is going to come around, but not before the wheels come off.

Timelines. Patience. But most importantly, conservative work ethic.

That was 2008. We just had 2012. Do the math.



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:48 | 2954741 TruthInSunshine
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What do Republicans stand for? States' rights? Small and efficient government? Fiscal responsibilty? Free market economics sans massive government subsidisies to particular sectors & companies?  Less, not more, reckless intervention via foreign policy (that piles massive costs and reaps net-negative consequences on the citizenry)? THE BILL OF RIGHTS (hell, they've been dismantling it alongside their democratic counterparts for decades now)?

From Nixon to Shrub, and "deficits don't matter" Dick Cheney, they stand for NONE OF THESE THINGS in reality.

So what's the incentive for their true core to bother to vote Republican when they're lucky if that candidate is 3% less Big Government than the Democratic contender.

Lofty rhetoric without any follow through gets really old and transparent. Did any intelligent Republican voters REALLY believe Romney wouldn't have treated Wall Street nearly exactly the same as Obama has? Or that he would have cut the fat and unecessary, wasteful expenditures out of defense? Or that he would actually reign in entitlement programs?



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:10 | 2954799 CrazyCooter
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Depends on if you really want an answer, or if you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

If you attend grass roots conservative meetings, you will find a VERY different culture, people, belief system than what you see on TV.

What happened in '08 is that this started to take form. What happened in '10 is it got more organized. What happened in '12 was almost 15% of the states electing constitutionalists/paulians/libertarians to state chair positions. If you followed closely, LA had a hell of a shit show in the attempt to control the conservatives. This was why Romney lost, which I linked up thread.

The "two party/one party" system is failing. Either serious civic rights are curtailed between now and 2014, or the OGREs stand to lose control of the whole shit show.





Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:08 | 2954929 jeff montanye
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good luck cooter.  i think t.i.s. has good points.  i registered republican after decades as a democrat to vote for ron paul.  hope to do so for gary johnson or similar next time.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 04:14 | 2955009 Supernova Born
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What 'tard actually thinks people read these one word per line posts?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:37 | 2954697 Hive Raid
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A vote for Romney: Stupidity.

A vote for Obama: Treason.

This outcome shows that there are as many people who hate America as there are people who support it in one way or another.

It would not have mattered if Ron Paul had won, given this reality.

We have tens of millions of Africans and Mestizos in this country, in coalition with the liberal puppet whites, run by the Bolshevik/NeoCon Imperialist Jews. This anti-American army is growing, while the actual American nation is being ethnically cleansed and financially enslaved to pay for the breeding of the invaders. Libertarian schemes could not have changed the biological reality: this cycle of the American nation is over. What remains is to fight over the carcass.

Perhaps a hot tribal war that splits North America into several new countries, perhaps a cold war descending into something like Brazil or Mexico, with gated compounds for those who can afford to avoid the locusts.

Congratulations Jews. You have irreversably destroyed another great Western nation. Tonight you are the winners! And may the truth of your victory spread far and wide.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:58 | 2954775 Spunko
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Sieg Fuckin' Heil,retard,

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:11 | 2954820 Hive Raid
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By Godwin's Law, you fail. As a consolation, by the grammatical standards of the Detroit public schools, or those of Chicago, Atlanta, Lost Angeles, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, or any other formerly great American city utterly destroyed by negroes and mestizos, you're still a winner.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:38 | 2954877's picture

You're a failure by any reasonable standard, Fritz.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:30 | 2954962 jeff montanye
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those irish and chinese were such a problem too.

but in truth, all countries/empires have pinnacles; that of the u.s. was probably the twenty or thirty years after the victory in ww2.  many causes will be held to account for the fall but some of it is just the absence of such a propitious confluence of events.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:06 | 2954800 Helvetico
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You should be grateful that the Jews are taking over: they're demonstrably smarter (as are East Asians) than your run-of-the-will white guy. They are the true master race, having produced Moses, Jesus, Einstein, Freud and Marx. The cream rises to the top my friend, and the scalded milk...that would be you...just boils.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:23 | 2954841 Hive Raid
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The problem for you is, the third world hordes won't discriminate between Jews and whites once things get rough. Jews aren't even a real race. And there's only six million of you here. Another six million surrounded by a billion furious Muslims overseas. Real Americans can absorb millions in losses, you can't. You're a parasite that's killed its only host. Enjoy your brief time at the top.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:39 | 2954969 jeff montanye
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you do get at an interesting irony (and speaking of godwin's law): the zionists (both jew and non jew) have taken great effort to steer the u.s. into a position of considerable danger in order to protect israel as a homeland and sanctuary (!) for jews, the initial impetus for which came from hitler's persecutions.  now, as a result of israel's nazi like oppression of the palestinians, israel accounts for the current killings of jews because they are jews.  like i said: ironic.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 04:45 | 2955044 R_J
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   "having iNVENTED Moses, Jesus, Einstein, FRAUD and Marx. The CRIME rises to the top" - There...thats morre like it,  n00b.-

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 10:53 | 2955131 Anasteus
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I partly agree, but I see it just one piece of a bit broader picture. Firstly, I certainly wouldn't see it that fatally dramatic. It's a next step in development of the society seen many times in history; there is nothing special about it. Yes, you are right in deciphering the role of the ruling class of intruders ascribing values, principles and goals different from those the USA was originally established on. But one thing should be recognized and admitted; there exists a silent mutual agreement between the ruling class and the US population that can be simplified in few words: 'We, the citizens, would accept subordination and gradual deprivation of liberty rights as long as impressive portion of bread and circuses is guaranteed, but mainly, as long as we can afford to close eyes and throw down the burden of wider societal accountability on someone else's shoulders. Simply put, we rather prefer having fun and easy going life style, even if convincingly pretended, to much less amusing obligations towards the community.' On the other hand, to be honest, this view is by no means us-specific, it's valid for very most of other countries. The only, but significant, difference is the influence the USA has on the rest of the world.

As shown many times in history, this standpoint is insufficient. Relying on someone else’s responsibility, even if the 'someone' are elected state bodies primarily responsible for managing these things, is inherently dangerous. Such bodies consist of normal people who often face irresistible temptation to abuse the power and the privileged status, which, of course, naturally forms various cabals and closed societies cooperating together behind the scenes; there is nothing conspirational about it. Active role of citizens is therefore necessary. It seems the golden slumbers of relying on someone else’s responsibility are gradually going to finish. Maybe a natural evolution of necessarily growing responsibility forced upon us regardless of whether we want it or don't want it to happen. Something like inevitable adolescence in the mental sphere.

I wouldn't say something is irreversibly destroyed; it's a challenge to face and cope with a task that has to be completed. We can fail and consequences will be painful forcing us to get over it over and over again until we pass the exam. Or, we can learn something and be prepared to pass it with minimum of painful failures.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:32 | 2956078 Totentänzerlied
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Obama is the Messiah. Get it through your head. Last night was the latest in a long series of proofs. He is infallible, he cannot be questioned or confronted, he can do no wrong, he has a Nobel fucking Peace Prize for fuck's sake.

The Messiah cannot be blamed, his ideology, by extension, cannot be blamed, nor can its adherents.

In other words: It will always be Bush's fault. Always. And if a Democrat wins 2016, everything will still be Bush's fault. The apologists will never relent, wake up.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:09 | 2954813 Overfed
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No. The RNC defrauded and screwed Ron Paul (grassroots choice) at every turn in the critical early primaries. Those of us capable of thinking for ourselves ended up saying "fuck the RNC, we're not voting for Ro-money". 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 08:24 | 2955272 Bicycle Repairman
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The RNC screwed RP's supporters, paleo-conservatives and tea partiers i.e. the grassroots of the party.  And lost.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:58 | 2954488 Deo vindice
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I called this one for Obama the minute the GOP nominated Romney.

For them to cry foul over voter fraud is the height (or depth) of hypocrisy seing that is what they did to Dr. Paul in the primaries.

Ron Paul would have defeated Obama. When the establishment went into overdrive to keep him out, you just had to know they wanted BO back in the Whitehouse.

It is really just as simple as that. Everything else was mere window-dressing.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:09 | 2954570 JPM Hater001
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Yup.  Wasnt that hard to see.  I proudly voted Gary Johnson thank you very much and I will sleep well in case you are wondering.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:38 | 2954702 flacon
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Thank God Gary Johnson won the government.... shit I've been drinking at that drinking game all night my typing is crappy. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:42 | 2954982 jeff montanye
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but on the bright side there is an out lesbian senator and legal weed in colorado and washington.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:29 | 2954555 New World Chaos
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The GOP took a dive.  They know the Titanic is doomed and they don't want the blame.  It's just as well- Obama will bring on the collapse quicker, those with the guns will be more likely to escape the Matrix, and Obama will betray the left and wake some of them up too.

Civil war is more likely and will be more lopsided, more heads will roll, we will have more freedom afterwards (RP for President in 2014?), and it will be harder for future socialist educators to rewrite history and portray Obama as a free marketeer (as they would have done with Romney).

And so, ironically, we begin Bush's 4th term (thanks Stooge).

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:49 | 2954886 New World Chaos
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Where the fuck are the Gary Johnson votes?!?  They don't have Diebold in every fucking state... do they?

MSM is avoiding reporting them (figures) but from what I see, only NM has more than 3% falling through the cracks between Obamney and Robama.  The 3% states are ME, MT, ND, SD, and WY.  All other states were only 1-2% third party and we have to assume there were greens in there too, so probably less than 1-2% for liberty. 

Ignoring RP write-ins, 98-99% of the electorate believe in rubberstamped violence and theft and therefore they deserve to lose everything in the coming American apocalypse.  They will probably want your shit too, before the end, and if they don't have the balls to take it themselves they will get a cut for snitching.  Prepare accordingly.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:14 | 2954594 optimator
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Ron Paul.  Reminds me of the way I felt when Barry Goldwater went down.  A major turning point it is.  Those that voted B.O. for another four will be kicking themselves.  Once what's left of the middle class is drained they'll start cutting the poor welfare folks big time.  Perhaps that's what the camps are for....

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 04:24 | 2955018 Urban Redneck
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Inflation will take care of the culling all by itself

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 10:50 | 2955855 Almost Solvent
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Look out with that kind of talk around here.

Idiots such as Pants McPants don't believe that human population needs to be decreased for a more sustainable future.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:38 | 2956935 passwordis
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 Ah the official "human population needs to be decreased for a more sustainable future" theory.

 The problem with that fallacy is that as the population exploded over the last 35,000 years, so did the standard of living.  There is indeed an agenda in the working phase to depopulate through vaccines, foods and pharmaceutical, but the motivation has nothing to do with a sustainable future and everything to do with a sustainable control grid to further imprison the serfs. The fewer of us there are the easier it is for the financiers of the world to rule over us.  That's what "sustainable population" is all about.

The CDC's data shows a 700% increase in miscarriages in pregnant women who took the HINI flu vaccine.   This result in not by accident.


The only idiot here is you for believing the official propaganda.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:08 | 2954806 Tapeworm
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Yes the RP faction was treated so badly that few would vote for the assholes that stomped him.

 It goes a lot farther than that. I will not ever vote with PNAC/Dov Zakheim and the rest of the dual nationality fecks that have run this place into the ditch.

 I voted only because of a local issue and then voted Virgil Goode and the slate of truly decent state and local libertarians that I know.

 In my city of about 85000 total, the last election had about 2000 never registered voters show up to keep the polls open for more than two hours past closing. The news rag never mentioned the hint of fraud when this behavior supported their gombit union owned candidates.

 I did write in Beelzebub to contest an unopposed state representative.

 I am washed up and finished with all of this. Now I will explain to my family my take on what is coming for them and the guy that supports them.

 The fraud at every level of public action is amazing.

 The only positive is that obama winning the fraud will reduce the chances for racial mob violence and destruction.

 A pox on all of them.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:36 | 2954694 passwordis
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...even his non-supporters were opened up to Austrian economics



Ah Austrian economics, the total rejection of the idea that there is anything at all the government can or should do to stabilize the economy including making sure the banks don't' break the law.

  Big Ron Paul fan here but unlike most people my problem was not with his foreign policy but with his nonsensical view on regulations. He lumps corporations in with individuals when he talks about liberty and rights and the constitution. His insane and bizarre belief that large corporations (banks) need less regulation is beyond normal crazy, it's forgot your meds, rubber-room straight-jacket crazy. Banks and corporations are by definition not people. Corporations are artificial bodies not real people. Real people like you and me NEED protection from fictitious creations like banks and corporations. That's the whole point to regulations, to protect the public from those who would do us harm. We need MORE corporate regulations not less!

 Our nation’s founders understood the threat of corporations and as a result passed laws that today would seem extreme.. but they were not extreme, they were commonsense.

 Today Corporations rule us all.. The founders understood what the goal was and at times fought successful battles to free us from corporate rule but ultimately they lost the war. The problem with you Austrians is you don't know history and cannot distinguish between rights for fictitious creations and rights for real people. Let me say it again, We need MORE corporate regulations not less. The lack of regulations is a huge part of why we are in the mess we are in.

 You start with the premiss that the corporation is born out of sin ( because it is) and you regulate accordingly.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:05 | 2954794 AustriAnnie
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Ron Paul does not believe the gov't has the right to grant special privileges to any, including businesses.

Regulation and protection are two sides of the same coin.  He who has the power to regulate has the power to grant favors by means of his position.

Ron Paul is as anti-corporation as you can get.  (Which part of "individual liberty/individual accountability" is so hard to understand?

Please re-examine your assumptions.  I don't agree with RP on everything, but he is definitely not for the protection of corporations .

Ron Paul has been consistent in his message and has spoken out against corporations lobbying government in order to use government force for their benefit.  He has been speaking out against such activities since before I was born, so I"m sure you can find countless sources online in addition to what I've provided.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:23 | 2954842 TruthInSunshine
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He's not for the subsidization of private entities, including corporations, nor for special legislative treatment of them, but certainly is for not interfering with actually productive, wealth & job creating corporations, which stands in stark contrast to many RINOs.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:30 | 2956061 passwordis
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 The brilliant Paul Craig Roberts explains it much better than I can.

            Markets Fail When Humans Are Unregulated

......The truth is that markets are a social institution. Their efficiency depends on the rules that govern the behavior of people in markets. When free market economists talk about markets deciding this or that, they are reifying a social institution and ascribing to it decision-making power. Socialists make the same mistake when they blame markets for the results of human action. But, of course, markets do not act or make decisions. People act and make decisions, and markets reflect the decisions and actions of people.

The entire debate over regulation is misconstrued. It is not the market, an efficient social institution, which is regulated. What is regulated is the behavior of people in markets. If you want good results from markets, good regulation of human behavior is a requirement.

The market is like a computer. Garbage in, garbage out.

If people who use markets are not regulated, they issue fraudulent financial instruments. They leverage assets with absurd amounts of debt. They market their instruments with fraudulent investment grade ratings. They deal themselves aces.

Complete article



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:50 | 2956195 Totentänzerlied
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A moronic and thorough misunderstanding.

The free market itself is what requires people to regulate their behavior in order to prosper (i.e. have any measure of economic success). It is really that fucking simple. You must compete, you must cope with supply and demand, you must provide value, you must keep your customers happy, you must keep your employees happy, you must turn a profit, you must adapt to an ever-changing market.

Regulation does nothing but attempt to subvert and ignore these laws under threat of force, creating a market in which winners are picked and chosen based on bribes, connections, donations, favors, legal maneuvering, etc. More regulations means less competition as every regulation is in fact a barrier to entry.

Keep believing the state's lies and false promises, you will reap what you sow.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:06 | 2956290 passwordis
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A moronic and thorough misunderstanding.

The free market itself is what requires people to regulate their behavior in order to prosper (i.e. have any measure of economic success). It is really that fucking simple.

 Good lord! I agree that something operating here is indeed very simple.



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2956262 passwordis
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 I completely understand Ron Paul's views on corporations. The problem is he holds contradictory, opposing and inconsistent views.

On the one hand, he understands the power the lobbyists have to influence and control congress and at the same time he complains about over regulations on big corporations and suggests that there is a mythical thing called a free market will make everything better.

Having said that I am of the opinion that WE THE PEOPLE are completely over regulated. I also believe there are many corporate regulations that are completely useless and do much more harm then good. The challenge is to regulate where the potential for harm (to the public) is the greatest.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:12 | 2954817's picture

Corporations want their industries to be regulated. Regulations protect corporations and block competition. They see efforts to block regulation as putting them out of business. Stop helping them.


The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection produces incomplete lab reports and uses them to dismiss complaints that Marcellus Shale gas development operations have contaminated residential water supplies and made people sick, according to court documents.


In response, state Rep. Jesse White, D-Cecil, Thursday called on state and federal agencies to investigate the DEP for "alleged misconduct and fraud" revealed by sworn depositions in a civil case currently in Washington County Common Pleas Court


"This is beyond outrageous," Mr. White said. "Anyone who relied on the DEP for the truth about whether their water has been impacted by drilling activities has apparently been intentionally deprived of critical health and safety information by their own government."


The DEP responded in an email, noting its water testing lab received a "glowing" peer review last year from the Association of Public Health Laboratories, and saying, "Jesse White is ideologically opposed to responsible drilling regulations which is evidenced by, among other things, his vote against Act 13," a state law that regulates Marcellus Shale drilling and gas production.

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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:47 | 2954421 TBT or not TBT
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On the bright side, the media will give him a pass for airing out jihadis or letting some 3rd world shithole go genocidal and famicidal, because he is The One.     Just like most of the country doesn't know and won't ever know what he did to our people in Bengahzi, not that they should have been there to begin with.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:56 | 2954477 Randall Cabot
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Also nice to see jew supremacist Sheldon Adelson's $100M down the drain.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:03 | 2954522 RockyRacoon
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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:08 | 2954565 MSimon
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Sheldon got one bullet to the head. To do that you had to take two.


I decare you the winner. You got the most bullets.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:11 | 2954579 TruthInSunshine
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Breaking News:  Sean Hannity just killed his neighbor's cat with a chainsaw.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 04:30 | 2955029 Urban Redneck
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The Chicom gamblers will happily refill his coffers, whereas most Americans don't have the luxury of that sort of geographic income diversity and tied to the titanic farce of the USS FRB

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:38 | 2954342 TheFourthStooge-ing
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This makes George W. Bush the first president since FDR to be elected to four consecutive terms.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:45 | 2954400 MiltonFriedmans...
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+1 Stooge

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:49 | 2954438 TruthInSunshine
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+2 Stooge

I can't resist bumping a well-stated fact.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:02 | 2954518 MeBizarro
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Sad yet a lot of truth. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:06 | 2954550 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ The Stooge

Make it another green, good one!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 07:18 | 2955132 JohnnyBriefcase
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Now he will have more "flexibility".

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:41 | 2954370 Walter_Sobchak
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circling the drain

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:26 | 2954239 NotApplicable
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Free Jon Corzine!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:26 | 2954242 Michaelwiseguy
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Revenge tastes bittersweet.

No, Revenge feels fucking awesome. You should try it some time.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:34 | 2954313 CrazyCooter
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What revenge? The outcome for America's people was never in question.



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:47 | 2954362 Michaelwiseguy
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That's already a given.

I was just thinking about the FOX News crew, Mitt Romney and his stupid overly privileged offspring not getting access to the helicopter and jumbo jet.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:52 | 2954453 Cruel Aid
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That is why obama won.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:55 | 2954476 Lord Koos
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The Koch brothers.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:05 | 2954537 RockyRacoon
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I love watching Carl Rove having to swallow his own vomit.  Almost makes it all worthwhile.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:15 | 2954600 Michaelwiseguy
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These guys say it pretty good;

RNC - I know that you are reading this:

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 09:50 | 2955585 Bicycle Repairman
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That's exactly how I feel. And I'm not compromising with the Karl Rove's of this world.

1. Retract each and every railroaded rule in Tampa.

2. Act as Conservative Republicans, not nwo socialists:

* Do NOT reach across the aisle anymore.
* Work and fight to repeal NDAA, Patriot, TSA, and every other nonconstitutional directive.
* Get the HELL out of nation building and illegal invasions of other nations.
* True Conservatives NEVER replace taxes with fees. EVER!

3. A sincere and public apology to Ron Paul and r3VOLution, for the way that we were treated very step of the way.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:26 | 2954653 Dr. Sandi
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For a piece of the action, Karl Rove would probably swallow ANYBODY'S vomit.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 05:59 | 2955088 Clashfan
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He's one of many who belong behind bars.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:56 | 2954768 LMAOLORI
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Fox donated heavily to obama

Donations by Media Companies Tilt Heavily to Obama


All the major media companies, driven largely by their Hollywood film and television businesses, have made larger contributions to President Obama than to his rival, former Gov. Mitt Romney, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit, nonpartisan Washington-based research group that publishes the Open Secrets Web site.

The center’s numbers represent donations by a company’s PAC and any employees who listed that company as their employer.

Even companies whose news outlets are often perceived as having a conservative bias have given significantly more money to Mr. Obama. Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation, for example, has contributed $58,825 to Mr. Obama’s campaign, compared with $2,750 to Mr. Romney. The conglomerate, which owns Fox News, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post and the 20th Century Fox studios, gave roughly the same amount to Mr. Romney’s Republican primary competitors

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:56 | 2954903 TruthInSunshine
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There's that false left-right paradigm projecting its factual presence, yet again.

It's truly hard to believe that so many people are so blind to the amateurish deception taking place before their eyes.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:26 | 2954243 toady
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Four more beers?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:59 | 2954778 LMAOLORI
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Obama already did show them the money and no prosecutions they love him

Has Obama Been Good for Millionaires?


America vs. Bank of America Lawsuit: “Spectacularly Brazen” Fraud. No Criminal Charges

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:15 | 2954826 FreedomGuy
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He won't be prosecuted. Losses might be nationalized at best.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:12 | 2954819 putaipan
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i dunno...i've heared potus is a pretty self absorbed kinda guy. if that's the case, you'd think he might be kinda pissed at jpm,gs,ba etc. for backing the mormon.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:22 | 2954211 ghengis86
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Mitt has been running for president for almost 7 years. What a failure. He must not have kissed the right asses

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:28 | 2954257 J in Vegas
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He was a garbage choice from the beginning. You would think that there would be someone better to choice than Mittins.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:38 | 2954340 Western
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silence both of you.. speaking as if they are two different people, ideologies, parties, etc, etc, etc, etc.


seriously, who doesn't know that this is the biggest farce.


diebold machines? mainstream media practically BEGGING people to vote?  "don't throw away your vote there, don't vote for a third party, that's useless"


why are you even on zerohedge if you don't know the first rules of fight club?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:46 | 2954403 J in Vegas
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I voted Gary Johnson you idiot and I'm registered libertarian. I was saying that the GOP should of picked someone better than Mittins. I think the weeper of the house would of been better, or Mr. Hairpiece Trump,or even my pet dog Maxwell. I never said I was voting for dumbass Mittens so take your stupid silence comment and STFU. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:48 | 2954426 CrimsonAvenger
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Seriously - who the hell thought Scrooge McDuck would be a winner?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:07 | 2954553 RockyRacoon
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Ann Coulter nailed it long ago.  (That's about all the witch is likely to nail.)

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:45 | 2954737 adeptish
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Ann Coulter gives me the horn...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:41 | 2954884 Oh regional Indian
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Ann Coulter IS a nail.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:44 | 2954891's picture

Nail? I thought you said "male."

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:15 | 2954942 Oh regional Indian
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Male with a Nail? She fits the bill. Or does she fit the Pecker?

Who nose? She does. Big one!


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:09 | 2954569's picture




Professor Ludwig von Drake is one of Walt Disney's cartoon and comic book characters. He was first introduced on September 24, 1961, as the presenter (and singer of "The Spectrum Song") in the cartoon An Adventure in Color, part of the first episode of Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color on NBC.[2] Said to be an uncle of Donald Duck, he was supposedly named after either Ludwig von Mises or Ludwig van Beethoven. He is described as a scientist, lecturer, psychologist, and road traveler. The character displayed his "expert" knowledge on a variety of subjects in eighteen episodes of the classic anthology series,[3] as well as on a number of Disneyland Records.[4]

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:40 | 2954882 Western
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no you didn't and no you're not. you're nothing on the internet.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:40 | 2954363 imaginalis
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Exactly as intended I expect - scripted, composed and executed with careful planning. Political engineering to manage social engineering - the new empire building.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:28 | 2954259 NotApplicable
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The "Anybody but X" movement has never won. Too weak.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:31 | 2954276 dbomb12
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This proves that Obama is moving the globalist bankers agenda just the way they want it. Better prepare for the worst the collapse is surely imminent

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:39 | 2954349 q99x2
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He can kiss Ron Paul's ass. Him and Rove.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:53 | 2954459 TBT or not TBT
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Well, also, the left's "log march through the institutions" has born its fruit, an Alinskyite central planning statist, one of theirs, getting hold of the constitution long enough to end the republic.

Yeah, with a Dem Senate and a Dem President, and a barely 5-4 Supreme Court with several aging orginalists on board, it is the end of the republic, probably.  

Collapse will follow quickly.   The USA cannot go down the drain slowly like some european social democracystan enjoyed doing all along the cold war and even faster following that, because the USA does not have anyone defending it, other than its patriots.    I don't see those patriots fighting for California, Illlinois, and NY.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:10 | 2954572 DoChenRollingBearing
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Indeed, tonight our country became the Free Shit Empire.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:25 | 2954846 FreedomGuy
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I work in medicine. As Obamacare gets implemented with it's huge expenses and crippling of the private market everyone is going to get to see what only the people in medicine know already. The "free" market has long subsidized the government market. Hospitals, doctors, nurshing homes and others made enough of a margin from private insurance to be able to take the low reimbursements of government plans. Without a significant private market government will have huge problems paying for healthcare. The end game is national healthcare anyway.

I would say similarly to your post, TBT, that the USA held up the socialist weaklings in Europe and even the East. A strong economy helped Japanese and Chinese exports. Now that the USA will go the way of full central planning and statism we will severely weaken our economy and we will not carry most of the rest of the world. We will fall faster and the rest of the world will collapse as well. I don't know how this plays out but it will play out as Obama will keep running historical hysterical deficits.

My ideal would be that America would divide. Let the blue Obama states go socialist and let a few of us go libertarian or Constitutional. However, socialists must always capture their productive populations and industries so this never happens peacefully.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:15 | 2954934 Harbanger
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It wouldn't work.  If the US were divided, and we built a wall separating the 2 halves, in a few years the socialist would just be digging tunnels and climbing over the walls to get in.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 09:58 | 2955617 Bicycle Repairman
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The USA would be lucky to become Europe compared to the truth: USSA.  The Soviet phase is now in full operation.  All hail the party.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:22 | 2954215 smithcreek
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No matter how similar the two candidates are, how true it is neither can or will do what is right on almost all the issues, the general publics perception is Obama and dems are the entitlement party and that's what people voted for tonight.  Scary.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:44 | 2954390 salvadordaly
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Life as you know it, is now over! I hope you have been perpping? If not, you have a lot of work to do and fast. HIT THE RESET BUTTON,,,,,,,,,,, NOW!!!!!!!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:49 | 2954439 CrimsonAvenger
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Right. People are going to be stunned to realize that nothing's changed - we have to deal with the debt ceiling and the tax cut reauth within the next several weeks, both of which will be clusterfucks. Heads down, people.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:40 | 2954337 j-dub
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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:19 | 2954184 New_Meat
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You'll never know

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:22 | 2954192 FreeMktFisherMN
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Exactly. Still, the 'Go Galt,' hair on back of neck raising is up a notch or ten. Better get some more PMs, some quality water filters, and a gun for that matter.


Look at the USD plunge. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:27 | 2954853 FreedomGuy
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We will shortly be in a world of shit and we have Captain Queeg at the helm of the ship of state.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:22 | 2954194 notbot
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Seriously America? You do see what's happening with Europe's experiment with socialism, right?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:31 | 2954277 knukles
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No they don't and neither do the Europeans.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:39 | 2954346 Yen Cross
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+1 Knuks

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:45 | 2954734 TeamDepends
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The Greeks are catching on.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:21 | 2954834 LMAOLORI
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Maybe Warren Buffoon will donate his  Bailed out Billions that he hides in Gates tax exempt shelter and his kids tax exempt shelters to help pay down the debt (sarc)

'U.S. Per Person Debt Now 35 Percent Higher than that of Greece'

Also here

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 02:32 | 2954862 FreedomGuy
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Well said, knukles. You know the dedicated socialists and central planners will never ever admit the errors of their philosophies. Even if the economic world crashes with every indicator pointing to them as responsible they will still say that it just needed another tweek or the rich got over or the State just needed more control or another couple trillion would've done the will never end. You have to defeat these people for your whole lifetime and frankly we need a ressurection of the old USSR where we could exile these fucking arrogant elitist idiots. Send them to the hell created by their beliefs along with their vacuum brained acolytes.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:47 | 2954414 Diablo
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Thomas Peterffy, is that you? SUCK IT ASSHAT! 


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:47 | 2954424 Weyland_Yutani
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I don't think americans can find Europe on a map.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:00 | 2954498 CaptainObvious
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Sure we can.  It's that big toilet across the ocean with all the little socialist nations swirling around the bottom.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:02 | 2954517 20-20 Hindsight
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Many of them can't even find their country on a world map, nor their state on a U.S. map.  

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:29 | 2954665 Dr. Sandi
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As long as they can find the credit card reader at retailers everywhere, Americans' ability to find anything else doesn't really matter.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:37 | 2954972 Blankenstein
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Well it's hard when there are 57 of them.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 03:17 | 2954947 Blankenstein
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Most probably cannot, but a majority can find the free shit button on the voting machine.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 10:02 | 2955631 Bicycle Repairman
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It's not an experiment with socialism.  It is sovietism.

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